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2012-06-24 11:36:13 PM  
popcorndialogues.com

Stop having the Bloom Picayune review your movies.
 
2012-06-24 11:38:18 PM  

Mugato: DamnYankees: The plot of Cars is about a big city doctor falling in love with a small town and adopting a pig?

I doubt there were any boobies in Cars either.


Lots of headlights though.
 
2012-06-24 11:39:23 PM  

tafka: And that farking victorian corset with a medieval setting! For fark's sake, do your freaking homework people! It's not like it's HARD to research historically accurate undergarments. If sims modders can do it, so can a major movie production house.


I just did a few minutes looking for medieval dresses and they all were pretty corsety. (I mostly tried to find paintings, which seemed a little more likely to be correct than the renaissance faire/victorian/steampunk mashup of historical accuracy) I am not an expert, though...
 
2012-06-24 11:39:28 PM  
I found Brave very entertaining and I liked Merida and her parents. My four year old son found some of the bear scenes scary, but I loved the supernatural elements and the feeling of a clannish, pagan Scotland. And I want that horse.
 
2012-06-24 11:42:32 PM  

flyin1: I went because my children wanted to see it, and I was dreading it based on the previews.

It turned out to be pretty outstanding. If you don't like Irish people, it may not be your thing, but I thought it was great.


Not that many Irish live around these parts; I guess I was blissfully unaware of their reputation for misbehaving in movie theatres. Thanks for the heads-up.

/The More You Know?
 
2012-06-24 11:44:12 PM  
It was better than Prometheus, but not as good as Moonrise Kingdom.

/And Pixar needs to make The Wee Free Men.
 
2012-06-24 11:47:14 PM  

SithLord: Pixar is just a cut-rate production company anyway, according to Mack the Truck.


Speaking of which, who did Ratzenberger voice this time?
 
2012-06-24 11:47:51 PM  

Dougie AXP: DadOfThree: It wasn't bad, but geared towards girls.... The nudity was unexpected though.

It did make my 7 year old cry, which is always nice, but I almost lost it during Toy Story 3, so perhaps it's inherited.

If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.


Agreed,

This should be the test for voter registration.

Show the movies and if no tears, no vote.

Case closed.

I SAID CASE CLOSED !
 
2012-06-24 11:51:07 PM  

BroVinny: SithLord: Pixar is just a cut-rate production company anyway, according to Mack the Truck.

Speaking of which, who did Ratzenberger voice this time?


According to wiki "Gordon, the Guard"
 
2012-06-24 11:55:17 PM  
Saw it; liked it.

It's no Incredibles, but (thankfully) nothing else is, and Brave is a fine movie.
 
2012-06-24 11:55:44 PM  

gadian: It's a girl movie. So, of course it must suck.


Yep. A female-centered movie. There's no prince in sight. The heroine is not a sex object (except for the inevitable Rule 34 stuff that is no doubt coming). The primary relationship is between the mother and daughter. Unlike virtually every Disney princess movie, the mother is neither dead nor bent on her daughter's destruction. Yet most of the reviews I've read by men say there's nothing revolutionary about this movie.
 
2012-06-24 11:56:20 PM  

Dougie AXP: DadOfThree: It wasn't bad, but geared towards girls.... The nudity was unexpected though.

It did make my 7 year old cry, which is always nice, but I almost lost it during Toy Story 3, so perhaps it's inherited.

If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.


Better dye my hair red then.

/They were okay, but I'm not one to cry about movies.
 
2012-06-25 12:01:04 AM  
I have a theory that Pixar is trying to get clear of Disney so they can make edgier films. If they make enough flops Disney might offload them.

The trouble is they don't know how to make a legitimate flop.
 
2012-06-25 12:03:18 AM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: It'll be a cold day in Hell before I start criticizing Pixar.


Like
 
2012-06-25 12:05:00 AM  

Funbags: Pixar makes kiddie movies, They are fun to look at, and provide grateful parents the opportunity to get their crotchfruit to leave them alone for a couple hours a day.

To call them bereft of intrigue or substance is to criticize water for being tasteless, or air for being breathable.


1/10

you tried too hard
 
2012-06-25 12:05:20 AM  

emotion_lotion: Dougie AXP: DadOfThree: It wasn't bad, but geared towards girls.... The nudity was unexpected though.

It did make my 7 year old cry, which is always nice, but I almost lost it during Toy Story 3, so perhaps it's inherited.

If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.

Agreed,


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2012-06-25 12:06:29 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: It was better than Prometheus, but not as good as Moonrise Kingdom.

/And Pixar needs to make The Wee Free Men.


Oh my god yes. But also kinda no... I don't wanna see then dumbed down for a family movie. Even thought the Aching books are "young adult", the wee free men have more adult themes (drinkin'! Fightin'! Stealin'!) and I'd hate to see their rough edges sanded off to appease the ratings group.
 
2012-06-25 12:07:45 AM  

rjw25: Funbags: Pixar makes kiddie movies, They are fun to look at, and provide grateful parents the opportunity to get their crotchfruit to leave them alone for a couple hours a day.

To call them bereft of intrigue or substance is to criticize water for being tasteless, or air for being breathable.

1/10

you tried too hard


lolbreeder
 
2012-06-25 12:11:36 AM  

DeaH: gadian: It's a girl movie. So, of course it must suck.

Yep. A female-centered movie. There's no prince in sight. The heroine is not a sex object (except for the inevitable Rule 34 stuff that is no doubt coming). The primary relationship is between the mother and daughter. Unlike virtually every Disney princess movie, the mother is neither dead nor bent on her daughter's destruction. Yet most of the reviews I've read by men say there's nothing revolutionary about this movie.


They probably don't notice, an just have some thing bouncing in their head they can't qualify.
 
2012-06-25 12:13:07 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Toy Story 2 is the worst Pixar movie.


You are either a very bad troll or a very stupid person. Or both.
 
2012-06-25 12:15:47 AM  
Am I the only person on Earth who thought Wall-E was awful?
 
2012-06-25 12:18:31 AM  

DeaH: gadian: It's a girl movie. So, of course it must suck.

Yep. A female-centered movie. There's no prince in sight. The heroine is not a sex object (except for the inevitable Rule 34 stuff that is no doubt coming). The primary relationship is between the mother and daughter. Unlike virtually every Disney princess movie, the mother is neither dead nor bent on her daughter's destruction. Yet most of the reviews I've read by men say there's nothing revolutionary about this movie.


I'm a woman and I agree with the reviews saying there is nothing particularly earth-shattering going on here. As the reviewer in TFA points out, nothing is really resolved - while Merida is free to marry for love (blah blah every movie ever), she WILL still marry. What about a princess movie about a girl who never marries? Better yet, what about a movie with a female protagonist who is not a princess? As for the living mother, that's newish for Disney but she's still depicted as part of the old "nagging wife to carefree husband" trope. Nothing new there. Like many reviewers, I was left disappointed. I thought this movie was going to break way more new ground than it did. It felt like a rehashing of a hundred other princess movies but with bears.
 
2012-06-25 12:19:44 AM  
It was a serious disappointment. A poor movie.

And because it is Pixar you know it's exactly the movie they wanted to make.

The whole mother bit seemed like some vestigial remnant of the first draft that no one bothered to replace.

Strong start. Strong end. Middle sucked.

The most impressive part of the film was her hair. Extraordinary anamation.
 
2012-06-25 12:28:25 AM  
Dear Mr. Scott Mendelson:

If you are going to be a critic of others' works and point out their professional failings, please take a moment to learn the tools of your trade. One important tool is the proper use of the English language.

The word is CANON. Not CANNON. Spell-checking software is a wonderful thing but a wide and varied vocabulary is a must in your line of work.

Good day, sir.
 
2012-06-25 12:28:35 AM  
I dunno, it was alright. Something about the plot was off, as if the movie had been written by screenwriting robots seeking to get in every movie cliche that such a genre requires. I do agree that her hair was the most amazing part of the movie.
 
2012-06-25 12:39:41 AM  
When did movies have to change your freaking life to be good?
Why can't they just be something to do for 2 hours anymore?
 
2012-06-25 12:49:22 AM  

fusillade762: Am I the only person on Earth who thought Wall-E was awful?


Possibly. I didn't care for it, but I didn't think it was awful.
 
2012-06-25 12:54:29 AM  

StopLurkListen: tafka: And that farking victorian corset with a medieval setting! For fark's sake, do your freaking homework people! It's not like it's HARD to research historically accurate undergarments. If sims modders can do it, so can a major movie production house.

I just did a few minutes looking for medieval dresses and they all were pretty corsety. (I mostly tried to find paintings, which seemed a little more likely to be correct than the renaissance faire/victorian/steampunk mashup of historical accuracy) I am not an expert, though...


I noticed that too--medieval women would not have worn corsets. They just wore form fitting, layered, and tightly laced clothing to accentuate the figure. Late medieval women would have worn stays, which give a far different figure than than a Victorian era corset--hell, even in the Victorian era, the silhouette changed drastically every few years. My 1876 pattern looks nothing like my 1894 pattern.

The giveaway in the movie was the lacing style. Victorian corsets are laced with two laces, giving the distinctive X lacing up the back. Stays were laced with one lace, so the holes were staggered and the lace would like diagonal lines in one direction in the back. But really, Merida probably wouldn't have worn any garment with boning or reeds.
 
2012-06-25 12:55:26 AM  
The character of Merida was magnificently designed, acted, and rendered, no "uncanny valley" here: you really felt this was a person. The art direction was stunning. Characterizations were great, Ratzenberger was in it too. The plot was predictable but very well-executed, I thought. Overall, a really good movie that made me laugh and tear up a little in the right places. The haters come off as wannabe hipster nihilists. In a world where they offer crap on screen like "the ooggie-woogie's moovie", we need way more movies like "Brave".
 
2012-06-25 01:01:12 AM  

bextraordinary: [W]hile Merida is free to marry for love (blah blah every movie ever), she WILL still marry.


That's a huge jump you're making. How do you know she WILL marry? Was there a specific guy? If a person is free to marry for love, that means they are free to stay single if they do not fall in love. Hell, Adam Markovitz at Entertainment Weekly is suggesting Meridia may be gay.

bextraordinary: As for the living mother, that's newish for Disney but she's still depicted as part of the old "nagging wife to carefree husband" trope.


The film does not focus on the relationship between the husband and wife. It focuses on the relationship between the mother and daughter. It actually looks at the very difficult time mothers and daughters have when the mother and daughter are very different. Yet, the movie does not make either of the women into evil biatches; that would have been the common trope. Instead, Brave shows us the complexities of developing a respectful relationship (in both directions). as well as the negotiations necessary so that neither women feel as if she is being rejected simply for being different.
 
2012-06-25 01:06:21 AM  

bextraordinary: DeaH: gadian: It's a girl movie. So, of course it must suck.

Yep. A female-centered movie. There's no prince in sight. The heroine is not a sex object (except for the inevitable Rule 34 stuff that is no doubt coming). The primary relationship is between the mother and daughter. Unlike virtually every Disney princess movie, the mother is neither dead nor bent on her daughter's destruction. Yet most of the reviews I've read by men say there's nothing revolutionary about this movie.

I'm a woman and I agree with the reviews saying there is nothing particularly earth-shattering going on here. As the reviewer in TFA points out, nothing is really resolved - while Merida is free to marry for love (blah blah every movie ever), she WILL still marry. What about a princess movie about a girl who never marries? Better yet, what about a movie with a female protagonist who is not a princess? As for the living mother, that's newish for Disney but she's still depicted as part of the old "nagging wife to carefree husband" trope. Nothing new there. Like many reviewers, I was left disappointed. I thought this movie was going to break way more new ground than it did. It felt like a rehashing of a hundred other princess movies but with bears.


Since when do movies need to be "earth shattering" to be good?

Some people expect way too much in an hour and a half.

Of course she'll likely still marry. So do MOST people. Why must she be single forever in order to be a true feminist heroine? It is enough that Merida fought for and won a CHOICE in the matter. Indeed, had she been relegated to perpetual singleness, she would only have been playing the 'virgin' in the age-old madonna/whore dichotomy, in which she can only be strong and free and independent if she remains chaste and disdains men entirely.

Most people live in the middle.

As for Elanor being "nagging".... apparently you didn't quite get the point of Elanor's character development. She was a creature of her culture, she was trying to uphold what was expected. This movie beautifully portrayed what, exactly, is wrong with that in a way that didn't ultimately dehumanize her (ironically, too).

I thought Brave was fantastic. I laughed, I cried and I want to see it again. The mother daughter story was refreshing in its authenticity. It was really great to see a woman-centered film. And bonus points because my five year old step-son loved it, too.
 
2012-06-25 01:09:15 AM  

DamnYankees: Disposable Rob: DamnYankees: Surool: DamnYankees: Surool: Anyone who thinks this is worse than either of the Cars movies is too stupid to be listened to.

I don't think anyone has said that. More disappointing, not worse.

How could it be more disappointing than a Doc Hollywood ripoff followed by a shallow cash-grab?

Doc Hollywood ripoff? Which Pixar film is a ripoff of that film?

He's talking about Cars. The plot is nearly the same.

The plot of Cars is about a big city doctor falling in love with a small town and adopting a pig?


It's in the subtext.
 
2012-06-25 01:09:25 AM  
Like I said to a friend yesterday, Brave was Pixar showing Disney how a princess movie should be done. Took all the tropes (unhappy princess, wish granting magic person, etc.), and showed her finding her way (1) with two parents in sight, (2) more importantly a mother in sight (not a single dad, not a wicked step-mom), and solving her problems (3) in tandem with the parent she fell out with (4) without having to fall in love with a farking prince, and (4) without singing and goddam treacly songs to any goddam too-cute animals.

Add in the fact that it was just visually farking beautiful and it was worth the price of admission.

Original? No. But I loved the characters and thoroughly enjoyed the "neener-neener" factor aimed at Big Papa Mouse.
 
2012-06-25 01:11:55 AM  
I, my 7 year old and my 3 year old all loved Brave, it was sufficiently entertaining and a good movie overall despite some of its shortcomings. It does feel like 2 movies, the character development in the first act does not seems any correlation with the lead character in the final 2, but that said it is still a good movie! I think, like Ratatouille, people will either love it or loathe it, there will be not middle ground. Personally I loathed Ratatouille, mainly because of the thought of a rat cooking food in a kitchen! When I think of food, I don't want to think of rats, personal choice, yours may differ!
 
2012-06-25 01:16:41 AM  
I liked it,and my friend, who is a grandmother, cried at the end. It was clever, and definitely made more sense than Prometheus.
/The Incredibles was damn good, too.
//Also, when was the last time you saw a character do a nosedive into a busty servant's cleavage? In a Disney film?
 
2012-06-25 01:20:47 AM  
Such a bad review, not too surprised. First, the only films from pixar that have to deal with a canon are those that are based on a prior art. Brave is not a sequel or a prequel, it doesn't have to make sure it fits with Wall-e or bug's life. Oh and the word is canon not cannon.

Second, how is it a bad thing that they don't pat their backs over the female warrior aspect or did not make a girl power movie? Most of the movies that push this line get heavily panned because it takes away from any kind of story.

Third, arranged marriages for royals had nothing to do with sex. If you are thinking about that when watching a pixar flick, you should not be in a theater showing a pixar flick.

Pixar made their modern princess movie, they did not go overboard with girl power and the lead is not as docile as sleeping beauty.

Surool: DamnYankees: Surool: Anyone who thinks this is worse than either of the Cars movies is too stupid to be listened to.

I don't think anyone has said that. More disappointing, not worse.

How could it be more disappointing than a Doc Hollywood ripoff followed by a shallow cash-grab?


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Surool: It is officially popular for film critics to hate Pixar.

I saw Brave. It was a good story. It was fun. It had pacing. My daughter and I had a great time. I will buy it in HD when it becomes available.

Anyone who thinks this is worse than either of the Cars movies is too stupid to be listened to.


They really always have been for when wall-e and ratatouille came out. They gave better ratings but they still cast uncertainty that pixar has magic left. Really they have every right to bash cars 2, there was no care put into it. It was not john wanting to expand cars and make a spy flick, it was about disney already selling $10 billion in cars merch and looking for a way to keep that money rolling in. Any critics that does not see cars 2 as just a plug for cars merch is a moron, and this guy hits it with flying colors.

Dougie AXP: DadOfThree: It wasn't bad, but geared towards girls.... The nudity was unexpected though.

It did make my 7 year old cry, which is always nice, but I almost lost it during Toy Story 3, so perhaps it's inherited.

If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.


I kind of agree. At the same time, it matters the age group of who is watching the films. For the TS franchise, if you are old enough to have grown up while watching the films, yeah you are heartless for not crying because really a part of you dies.

It is the same way with the SW saga. The scene in ep3 where vader has his helmet snapped closed is really the end for anyone that grew up with the original because anakin at that moment is dead and the story is now complete. Also it alludes to the last scene in ep6 when vader dies and his body is horizontal. For Kids that started with it beginning with ep1, that scene is just the middle for them.
 
2012-06-25 01:22:34 AM  
It was just too predictable. They needed to throw a few curveballs in there.
 
2012-06-25 01:25:22 AM  

fusillade762: Am I the only person on Earth who thought Wall-E was awful?


Dunno. I didn't dislike it, but I was shocked by how many people went nuts over the film.
 
2012-06-25 01:26:53 AM  

StopLurkListen: What animated film doesn't take liberties with realism? ... For that matter, is there any film, animated or live action, that doesn't? Any media carries with it a million judgements in what to show and how to show it, so even "documentaries" cannot be a perfect reflection of reality.


It's not that it takes liberties with realism, it's that the idea of sentient cars just raises so many unanswered questions that I can't imagine I'd enjoy the movie. The trailer for the movie just raises so many dumb questions for me. I mean, why would a world of sentient cars even exist? Who builds them? Why would a van exist if there aren't people who need more cargo space? How come they don't have hands but have tools? Who builds their houses?

And the thing is, I don't care what the answers are, because the answers would just raise more questions, and any movie that actually managed to answer all the questions a world of sentient cars without drivers raises would probably be really dull.

Look, man, maybe it doesn't bug you, but it bugs me. It just seems like a dumb idea to me, so I haven't bothered to see the movie. It doesn't mean I lack imagination or can't enjoy escapism, it just means that I don't find the idea of sentient cars interesting, I find it kinda dumb. End of story.

I do love that at least one person was so offended that I don't want to see a movie about sentient cars that he had to call me "retarded." More butthurt please!
 
2012-06-25 01:30:29 AM  

skepticultist: It's not that it takes liberties with realism, it's that the idea of sentient cars just raises so many unanswered questions that I can't imagine I'd enjoy the movie. The trailer for the movie just raises so many dumb questions for me. I mean, why would a world of sentient cars even exist? Who builds them? Why would a van exist if there aren't people who need more cargo space? How come they don't have hands but have tools? Who builds their houses?


Maybe "Cars" takes place after "Maximum Overdrive"....
 
2012-06-25 01:32:52 AM  

skepticultist: Look, man, maybe it doesn't bug you, but it bugs me. It just seems like a dumb idea to me, so I haven't bothered to see the movie.


It's probably good if you avoid all fantasy movies then.
 
2012-06-25 01:39:54 AM  
I didn't care for and I really wanted to. I love all things celtic. The scenery and the music were stunning. But the story was utter bollocks. My only complaint.
 
2012-06-25 01:44:01 AM  
I liked it fine, but the people lauding it for lacking song numbers and too-cute animals need to STFU. Not every movie needs that, no, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it, and I like them. So screw you.
 
2012-06-25 01:45:17 AM  

DeaH: gadian: It's a girl movie. So, of course it must suck.

Yep. A female-centered movie. There's no prince in sight. The heroine is not a sex object (except for the inevitable Rule 34 stuff that is no doubt coming). The primary relationship is between the mother and daughter. Unlike virtually every Disney princess movie, the mother is neither dead nor bent on her daughter's destruction. Yet most of the reviews I've read by men say there's nothing revolutionary about this movie.


Coming? Dohoho. You crack me up.

GIS "narse brave" with safe search off. Very first result, not safe for work.

/I hate humanity.
 
2012-06-25 01:48:03 AM  

Opeth1429: I liked it but the ultimate arbiters, my 3 year old and 6 year old really enjoyed it. Therefore, mission accomplished.


I enjoyed it as well, although I was wondering if younger kids would find some parts scary. Based on what scared me at around 4 or 5 years old, I think some parts of the movie (the final 10-15 minutes especially) would have had me watching the movie through my fingers.

But maybe kids today are more desensitized to that sort of the thing.
 
2012-06-25 01:49:16 AM  
Just got back from seeing it. It was good getting to see a Pixar movie that wasn't totally male-centric for a change.

The only fault I had was it seemed a little like they tossed Tangled, HTTYD (Dreamworks, not Disney I know) and Brother Bear into a blender and came up with this.

Still, in spite of that the animation was great and the story was fun, touching and gripping.
 
2012-06-25 01:59:11 AM  
Half of the animation staff and 100 super-computers must have been working full-time on animating Merida's hair. That was pretty amazing. My daughter's hair is the same tangled mess except it's blonde.
 
2012-06-25 02:04:33 AM  
Didn't realize the actress voicing Merida was also Carla Jean Moss in No Country For Old Men... friendo. Very cool!
 
2012-06-25 02:05:22 AM  
It's Scottish and it's Pixar. I don't need to know anything else.
 
2012-06-25 02:08:32 AM  
My favorite Pixar film:

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