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2012-06-24 10:22:40 PM

DamnYankees:

The plot of Cars is about a big city doctor falling in love with a small town and adopting a pig?


Replace doctor with racer and pig with Larry the Cable Guy.
 
2012-06-24 10:24:29 PM
I've seen all of them except cars 2 and now brave....

I like Mr. Talbot's list but I think I liked A Bug's Life better than most and Wall-E less than most. I'd have the list as follows-

Toy Story
Toy Story 3
Monsters Inc
A Bug's Life
Up (the first part is great and entertaining up until the old explorer shows up. I do like Doug though).
The Incredibles
Finding Nemo
Toy Story 2
Wall-E
Ratatouille
Cars
 
2012-06-24 10:25:47 PM

DamnYankees: The plot of Cars is about a big city doctor falling in love with a small town and adopting a pig?


I doubt there were any boobies in Cars either.
 
2012-06-24 10:28:08 PM

Mugato: DamnYankees: The plot of Cars is about a big city doctor falling in love with a small town and adopting a pig?

I doubt there were any boobies in Cars either.


And lets be honest. Julie Warner boobies in her prime? That's a pretty fantastic boobies.
 
2012-06-24 10:30:00 PM

Disposable Rob: DamnYankees:

The plot of Cars is about a big city doctor falling in love with a small town and adopting a pig?

Replace doctor with racer and pig with Larry the Cable Guy.


In my sexual fantasies or just in the movie?
 
2012-06-24 10:30:41 PM
Pixar's character design has really been slipping. It's like the company hit its artistic peak with Wall-E and Up and then decided to just do bland characters that are easy to make and animate in a 3D program.

This has been my opinion about a company that specializes in entertainment for children. HTH.
 
2012-06-24 10:31:43 PM
Wait, why am I supposed to hate Cars 2?
 
2012-06-24 10:32:03 PM

Mr Talbot: How to Train Your Dragon is the only Dreamworks one that is in a class with Pixar IMO. Brilliant movie.


Good point. I always have slightly lower expectations with Dreamworks and HTTYD kind of blew me away on that. It had a good soul about it. And the fact that they actually damaged the main character stunned me, somehow.

And now that I think about it, I suppose WALL-E and the Incredibles tie at first for me. I love Incredibles because honestly, it didn't make me cry. It made me laugh and made me remember why I loved watching Adam West Batman. Good times.
 
2012-06-24 10:32:15 PM

hbk72777: DadOfThree: It wasn't bad, but geared towards girls.... The nudity was unexpected though.


Wait, what? So does the carpet match the red drapes?


Its Scottish, so more human on sheep crime.
 
2012-06-24 10:34:36 PM
Give Disney a break. They are still figuring out how to write stories where both parents are still alive.
 
2012-06-24 10:35:37 PM
I went because my children wanted to see it, and I was dreading it based on the previews.

It turned out to be pretty outstanding. If you don't like Irish people, it may not be your thing, but I thought it was great.
 
2012-06-24 10:36:03 PM

Ringshadow: Mr Talbot: How to Train Your Dragon is the only Dreamworks one that is in a class with Pixar IMO. Brilliant movie.

Good point. I always have slightly lower expectations with Dreamworks and HTTYD kind of blew me away on that. It had a good soul about it. And the fact that they actually damaged the main character stunned me, somehow.

And now that I think about it, I suppose WALL-E and the Incredibles tie at first for me. I love Incredibles because honestly, it didn't make me cry. It made me laugh and made me remember why I loved watching Adam West Batman. Good times.


Yeah, this shocked me as well.
 
2012-06-24 10:39:36 PM
FTFA

...but it's almost disturbing how the film utterly ignores the darker implications of such a concept. This isn't even a conventional arranged marriage, but rather a scenario where a young girl is basically sold off into marriage (and, um... sex), by her mother no less, to the winner of a token athletic competition. It's "Gee, poor Merida may have to marry a loser who might not let her race around on her horse and shoot arrows at trees" not "Gee, poor Merida has to get married to someone who has no interest in and will be expected to consummate said marriage."

Um, yeah? Because it's a film meant for kids? Though, he goes on about Aladdin covering that kind of thing better and I have absolutely zero recollection of any kind of plot line like that being in that movie, so maybe kids wouldn't pick up on it if it were hinted at... All the same though that particular criticism doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. They don't have to spell out the consummation thing, kids will pick up on what's presented, I'm sure adults know what married people do, seems straightforward enough to me.

/thought it was alright, saw it with my roommates and a bunch of their friends from school. They're all digital animation majors so they were all geeking out over it.
 
2012-06-24 10:39:58 PM

Disposable Rob: Replace . . . pig with Larry the Cable Guy.


"Let's see if they notice the difference!"
 
2012-06-24 10:40:00 PM
Am I the only person on Earth who thought the Incredibles was awful?
 
2012-06-24 10:40:17 PM

flyin1: It turned out to be pretty outstanding. If you don't like Irish people, it may not be your thing, but I thought it was great.


:notsureifseriousdog:
 
2012-06-24 10:43:22 PM

Trocadero: Am I the only person on Earth who thought the Incredibles was awful?


I'm sure there are others, but the minority is significant enough to the point where the rest of us look at you askance and wonder what the hell is wrong with you.
 
2012-06-24 10:43:52 PM
I just got back from seeing it, and I agree with the flaws the author mentions, I liked it.

We picked up more on some continuity problems -- the bow suddenly appearing (and intact), the clothes changing -- but that's all pretty trivial stuff.
 
2012-06-24 10:43:55 PM

Trocadero: Am I the only person on Earth who thought the Incredibles was awful?


I thought it was merely ok. Its in my in top 5 Pixar films.
 
2012-06-24 10:46:29 PM

Trocadero: Am I the only person on Earth who thought the Incredibles was awful?


It's possible. What was particularly awful about it?
 
2012-06-24 10:47:43 PM

Trocadero: Am I the only person on Earth who thought the Incredibles was awful?


Yes, and it means that you are a truly bad person.
 
2012-06-24 10:47:47 PM
My 10 year old daughter loved Brave... I am guessing she was the target audience and not 30-40 year old men.
 
2012-06-24 10:49:45 PM

Trocadero: Am I the only person on Earth who thought the Incredibles was awful?


I thought that it was very good, but I don't love it as much as lots of people seem to. I'm curious as to why you found it to be awful.
 
2012-06-24 10:50:18 PM
Oh is this where I get to be a snob because I've never seen Cars or Cars 2?



Ok, I know I'm not alone in having avoided it just because it has Larry the Cable Guy in it, but I can pretend to be special just this once, right?
 
2012-06-24 10:51:13 PM
Skipping on Cars because of Larry the Cable Guy is like skipping on Toy Story because of Jim Varney.
 
2012-06-24 10:55:50 PM

Ed Finnerty: There was a Cars 2?


Yes. And despite how cool it is to hate it on Fark (and Cars 1 for that matter) I think both are great movies.
 
2012-06-24 10:57:34 PM
It's made like $66 million, so expect at least two sequels and four straight to DVD's.
 
2012-06-24 11:04:07 PM

Trocadero: Am I the only person on Earth who thought the Incredibles was awful?


Nope. I didn't think it was awful, but I did find the core message of the film stupid and insulting.

Of the computer animated superhero movies I've seen, I would put Incredibles fourth behind Despicable Me, Megamind, and Bolt.
 
2012-06-24 11:04:41 PM
Man, Brave didn't need to be good.
Was I the only person who saw Wreck-it Ralph at the beginning and just coasted through on my desire to see that all movie?
 
2012-06-24 11:06:27 PM
If I had to list my favourite Pixar movies, it'd be the Toy Story trilogy (in no particular order) followed by Wall-E and Finding Nemo, but so far, I haven't seen any that I'd consider to be "Not awesome."

/Haven't seen Cars 2 yet, but I love the first one.
//Off to watch Toy Story.
 
2012-06-24 11:07:18 PM
I've never seen Cars because a) it looked like a hour and half long version of a Chevron ad and 2) I find the concept of a world where cars are sentient too implausible to buy into at all. I just can't suspend disbelief long enough to immerse in the story. I found Toy Story hard to take because its about inanimate plastic with a secret life, I couldn't imagine myself enjoying a movie with cars that talk.
 
2012-06-24 11:08:16 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: It's made like $66 million, so expect at least two sequels and four straight to DVD's.


Someone doesn't know how Pixar works.
 
2012-06-24 11:08:16 PM

Opeth1429: I liked it but the ultimate arbiters, my 3 year old and 6 year old really enjoyed it. Therefore, mission accomplished.


FOR AIUR!
 
2012-06-24 11:11:09 PM

skepticultist: I've never seen Cars because a) it looked like a hour and half long version of a Chevron ad and 2) I find the concept of a world where cars are sentient too implausible to buy into at all. I just can't suspend disbelief long enough to immerse in the story. I found Toy Story hard to take because its about inanimate plastic with a secret life, I couldn't imagine myself enjoying a movie with cars that talk.


Well, they make movies for retards with no imagination too that can only see literally true stories, so hey, I'm sure you have plenty of things to watch you don't have to tell us about.
 
2012-06-24 11:11:14 PM
Still better than "Kiara the Brave".
 
2012-06-24 11:12:03 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Wait, why am I supposed to hate Cars 2?


1. NASCAR
2. Larry the Cable Guy
3. The original ripped off a movie nobody gave a shiat about until it got ripped off by a movie involving NASCAR and Larry the Cable Guy.
 
2012-06-24 11:16:12 PM

skepticultist: I've never seen Cars because a) it looked like a hour and half long version of a Chevron ad and 2) I find the concept of a world where cars are sentient too implausible to buy into at all. I just can't suspend disbelief long enough to immerse in the story. I found Toy Story hard to take because its about inanimate plastic with a secret life, I couldn't imagine myself enjoying a movie with cars that talk.


What animated film doesn't take liberties with realism? ... For that matter, is there any film, animated or live action, that doesn't? Any media carries with it a million judgements in what to show and how to show it, so even "documentaries" cannot be a perfect reflection of reality.

//P.S. The movie studio that did the Chevron ads was "Aardman Animation", they did all of the "Wallace and Gromit" movies, and more recently the "Pirates, Band of Misfits" movie. No real point here, just giving credit.
 
2012-06-24 11:16:22 PM
I liked Brave a lot. I'm not a Pixar fanboy (as proof, here's my review of Ratatouille: meh) nor am I a prepubescent girl.

I agree that it didn't have an "epic" feel, but I didn't know I was "supposed" to expect that either. It did feel like one big set up for a sequel, though, despite leaving zero loose ends.

In a few years I expect to see ads for Brave 2 hyping Merida exploring northern Europe "epically." I hope it's with Billy Connolly/her dad--shoot, Pixar could even answer the Mulan comparisons and have Merida cross dress to be a sailor or some such. Merida might slay a Grendel that's kidnapped her slightly older little brothers or fend off Vikings. But I digress.

Incredible animation, funny and great cast, NO MUSICAL NUMBERS, strong and independent female protagonist who doesn't have to dress up like a boy to assert herself... I'd have a hard time giving Brave a C.
 
2012-06-24 11:17:11 PM
"Mum, mom, mam' for the love of the deities woman, sick to a freaking pronunciation in the same farking sentence!

The should have chosen wisely for the female lead. If they had, the glaring plot holes would have been glossed over by the sheer prettiness of the film.

On the upside, hubby took me out for pizza afterward so the night wasn't a COMPLETE wash!
 
2012-06-24 11:18:06 PM
Worse than Finding Nemo? That's hard to believe.
 
2012-06-24 11:18:42 PM

DamnYankees: Doc Hollywood ripoff? Which Pixar film is a ripoff of that film?


I'm pretty sure if Julie Warner had shown the boobies in a Pixar film, I would have remembered.
 
2012-06-24 11:20:32 PM
I never seen Cars 2, but I do know that is was pushed up the release date a year, so maybe Pixar was in a hurry to make the movie faster.
 
2012-06-24 11:20:47 PM
Pixar is just a cut-rate production company anyway, according to Mack the Truck.
 
2012-06-24 11:22:50 PM
I get the impression that certain people here don't understand that Brave is a movie for kids.
 
2012-06-24 11:25:11 PM
I do wonder how the finished story would have gone had they kept Brenda on.
I'd love to see that original script released to the public, just to map the changes.
 
2012-06-24 11:27:05 PM

SithLord: Pixar is just a cut-rate production company anyway, according to Mack the Truck.


They're just using the same actor over and over.
 
2012-06-24 11:27:20 PM

Dougie AXP: DadOfThree: It wasn't bad, but geared towards girls.... The nudity was unexpected though.

It did make my 7 year old cry, which is always nice, but I almost lost it during Toy Story 3, so perhaps it's inherited.

If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.


I have no soul.

Havn't seen TS3, but but at the beginning of Up I thought 'That man lived for a good 70 years with the love of his life. I could dream of being so lucky'.
 
2012-06-24 11:28:48 PM
And that farking victorian corset with a medieval setting! For fark's sake, do your freaking homework people! It's not like it's HARD to research historically accurate undergarments. If sims modders can do it, so can a major movie production house.
 
2012-06-24 11:29:59 PM

tafka: And that farking victorian corset with a medieval setting! For fark's sake, do your freaking homework people! It's not like it's HARD to research historically accurate undergarments. If sims modders can do it, so can a major movie production house.


I actually think the setting was meant to be pre-Medieval. There's a line about one of the guys fighting Romans.
 
2012-06-24 11:34:32 PM

Ashtrey: at the beginning of Up I thought 'That man lived for a good 70 years with the love of his life. I could dream of being so lucky'.


But you missed that he was never able to help Ellie realize her dreams?

The painful part was that in his eyes he broke every promise he thought he made to her, and she died before he ever could make good.
 
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