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2012-06-25 01:30:41 AM

nekom: Nickster79: nekom: I'm surprised they didn't take him directly to PC.

Panama City?

Protective custody. Same thing as the hole, except instead of being bad to get there, you have to be hated. Known gang members and high profile inmates are often kept in solitary confinement so they don't get shanked in the general population.


He really needs administrative segregation. (Or AdSeg in the pokey.) 24 hours in a box. The End.
 
2012-06-25 01:31:18 AM
this is the one I wonder about

2000 - James Calhoun, a janitor at Penn State, tells his supervisor and another janitor that he saw Sandusky sexually abusing a boy in the Lasch Building showers. No one reports the incident to university officials or law enforcement.
 
2012-06-25 01:31:24 AM

gimmegimme: Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary?


I'm sure he was told, but I can conceive that he's lived such a sheltered life for so long that he might not have understood the specifics of what he was being told. I can also believe that he simply thought he did his job when he reported up the chain of command. Either way we can agree that he fell far short of his moral obligations.
 
2012-06-25 01:33:06 AM

Weaver95: GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.

that said, prison can be a very brutal place. this was a high profile case, and Sandusky disgraced a popular (almost cult like) football program. He's in a very bad place right now and unless he's protected from his fellow inmates it is likely he won't survive to serve out his sentence.


He's on suicide watch. I'm betting there's a good reason for that.
 
2012-06-25 01:34:34 AM

gimmegimme: I love how The Onion can actually make humor out of terrible situations and do it with respect. Here's one of my favorites


And one of mine, which actually got me to laugh "at" 9/11, though I sorta think it does the typical Onion thing and peters out partway through. (This was also pretty good.)
 
2012-06-25 01:35:49 AM

evaned: gimmegimme: I will give you 10% agreement on your statement. We can admit that Paterno knew at least once that his buddy was showering with a little boy from that previous investigation. Once McQueary describes the slapping sound and the anal sex motions happening in the shower, I feel that "raping" is justified terminology.

Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary? Perhaps I should focus on the fact that Paterno allowed the monster into his midst for a decade.

Let's go back and look at the post where you originally said that:

gimmegimme: You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction. You would give your friend the benefit of the doubt when another person you respect claims he saw your friend raping a boy in the shower?

To my mind the part I'm asking you to retract pretty unambiguously refers to what Paterno knew before McQueary showed up.

But whatever. At this point I think I'm arguing somewhat just for the point of arguing and we don't actually disagree all that much. So I think I'll stop. :-)


I will admit to a little hyperbole. I have heard "rumors" about someone I knew a long time ago. If I heard a similar "rumor" about the guy today, I certainly wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt.

Your questions about my statements are valid...I just don't understand how anyone can give Paterno a 100% pass. I get it...he was old and he heard some pretty heavy accusations. We deal with such situations in a very different way than sixty years ago, when he became the coach. As Gold Spider points out, I just wish that a man who cared so much about the institution and honor would have lived up to his own moral code.
 
2012-06-25 01:36:59 AM

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary?

I'm sure he was told, but I can conceive that he's lived such a sheltered life for so long that he might not have understood the specifics of what he was being told. I can also believe that he simply thought he did his job when he reported up the chain of command. Either way we can agree that he fell far short of his moral obligations.


I can agree with this.

I still don't understand McQueary. I can understand why he didn't try to stop it, Sandusky is a good size man and being 10 years ago I'm sure still in good shape. Had he tried to stop it, it is possible something worse could have happen to him and the kid.

but what harm in going to the cops or even the PSU police. a strong this is what I saw statement would have got an investigation rolling.
 
2012-06-25 01:40:32 AM

gimmegimme: evaned: gimmegimme: I will give you 10% agreement on your statement. We can admit that Paterno knew at least once that his buddy was showering with a little boy from that previous investigation. Once McQueary describes the slapping sound and the anal sex motions happening in the shower, I feel that "raping" is justified terminology.

Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary? Perhaps I should focus on the fact that Paterno allowed the monster into his midst for a decade.

Let's go back and look at the post where you originally said that:

gimmegimme: You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction. You would give your friend the benefit of the doubt when another person you respect claims he saw your friend raping a boy in the shower?

To my mind the part I'm asking you to retract pretty unambiguously refers to what Paterno knew before McQueary showed up.

But whatever. At this point I think I'm arguing somewhat just for the point of arguing and we don't actually disagree all that much. So I think I'll stop. :-)

I will admit to a little hyperbole. I have heard "rumors" about someone I knew a long time ago. If I heard a similar "rumor" about the guy today, I certainly wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt.

Your questions about my statements are valid...I just don't understand how anyone can give Paterno a 100% pass. I get it...he was old and he heard some pretty heavy accusations. We deal with such situations in a very different way than sixty years ago, when he became the coach. As Gold Spider points out, I just wish that a man who cared so much about the institution and honor would have lived up to his own moral code.


I would think in his mind at the time he did live up to it. He followed procedure and orders from his bosses. I think most old time coaches would have handled it the same way. the only one who wound't have would be Bobby Knight, I think can imagine what he would have done to Sandusky even without proof
 
2012-06-25 01:41:16 AM

evaned: got me to laugh "at" 9/11


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2012-06-25 01:41:54 AM

Waldo Pepper: GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary?

I'm sure he was told, but I can conceive that he's lived such a sheltered life for so long that he might not have understood the specifics of what he was being told. I can also believe that he simply thought he did his job when he reported up the chain of command. Either way we can agree that he fell far short of his moral obligations.

I can agree with this.

I still don't understand McQueary. I can understand why he didn't try to stop it, Sandusky is a good size man and being 10 years ago I'm sure still in good shape. Had he tried to stop it, it is possible something worse could have happen to him and the kid.

but what harm in going to the cops or even the PSU police. a strong this is what I saw statement would have got an investigation rolling.


Look, even I don't feel it was McQueary's moral duty to go in there Samuel L. Jackson-style. (Not that it would have bothered me...it's not like Sandusky could have Stood His Ground; he was clearly unarmed.)

I agree. McQueary had a cell phone, apparently. He should have called 911, at the very least.
 
2012-06-25 01:42:42 AM

AbbeySomeone: Goddamn college sports aren't real life and if some of those kids weren't good athletes they wouldn't have a scholarship. Monkey sports ability =/=intelligence.


Do you feel the same way about track and swim stars representing you in the Olympics? Is the incrediblly hard work of those kids worthy of nothing but your derision, or is it just football you hate?

Focus your anger on the man, not the entire game and system. You might need a dredger to get that sand out of your vagina.
 
2012-06-25 01:42:45 AM

Waldo Pepper: I still don't understand McQueary. I can understand why he didn't try to stop it, Sandusky is a good size man and being 10 years ago I'm sure still in good shape. Had he tried to stop it, it is possible something worse could have happen to him and the kid.

but what harm in going to the cops or even the PSU police. a strong this is what I saw statement would have got an investigation rolling.


I don't feel McQueary has gotten a lick of criticism he doesn't deserve.
 
2012-06-25 01:45:52 AM

gimmegimme: Waldo Pepper: GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary?

I'm sure he was told, but I can conceive that he's lived such a sheltered life for so long that he might not have understood the specifics of what he was being told. I can also believe that he simply thought he did his job when he reported up the chain of command. Either way we can agree that he fell far short of his moral obligations.

I can agree with this.

I still don't understand McQueary. I can understand why he didn't try to stop it, Sandusky is a good size man and being 10 years ago I'm sure still in good shape. Had he tried to stop it, it is possible something worse could have happen to him and the kid.

but what harm in going to the cops or even the PSU police. a strong this is what I saw statement would have got an investigation rolling.

Look, even I don't feel it was McQueary's moral duty to go in there Samuel L. Jackson-style. (Not that it would have bothered me...it's not like Sandusky could have Stood His Ground; he was clearly unarmed.)

I agree. McQueary had a cell phone, apparently. He should have called 911, at the very least.


maybe he should have pulled the fire alarm and then run into the locker room yelling fire everyone out and grabbed the kid
 
2012-06-25 01:46:47 AM
It's worth noting being a good and loyal employee like Joe Pa has *nothing* to do with being a good or evil human.
 
2012-06-25 01:52:19 AM

PainInTheASP: Triumph: Animals.

Yup-- and its too late to lose the weight he used to need to throw around.


He'll be gaining weight a 1/4oz. at a time......whatever doesn't run down the back of his legs.
 
2012-06-25 01:52:26 AM

skinink: Heh, like it matters what a bunch of cons think of another con. I bet if Sandusky could help any of them break out of jail, they wouldn't hate him as much.


How would he help them break out?
Poke them through the bars perhaps?
 
2012-06-25 01:53:36 AM
I imagine it won't be too long before they're singing Tool songs to him.

♫ ♬ "Do unto you now, what has been done to me" ♫ ♬
 
2012-06-25 01:56:44 AM

GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.


Please explain why justice precludes death.

Human life has no inherent value beyon the way in which that life is used. If used poorly, the life is worthless. In these cases the life may be extinguished.
 
2012-06-25 01:58:12 AM

snake_beater: Lorelle: Another Brick in the Wall??

Welcome To The Machine would have been more appropriate:

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been.
You've been in the pipeline, filling in time,
Provided with toys and scouting for boys.

Is it strange that I always associate that song to Ecco?


No, its not. One of the last levels was named 'Welcome to the Machine'.
 
2012-06-25 02:01:34 AM
An interesting question though, from someone who's is undecided what Paterno's legacy should be at PSU. (Remember, he's responsible for more than football there -- e.g. a significant addition to the University's main library is named after him after he arranged a fundraising drive and gave several million for it.)

How many people screaming that Paterno's name should be erased from places of honor at PSU think that the US founding fathers should be erased from their positions of provenance because they owned slaves? How much does an evil act undo good ones?
 
2012-06-25 02:04:21 AM
bubosibiricus

Protective Custody is not special treatment. It's solitary confinement with a different name only. Solitary confinement in all contexts sucks for the inmate. Always.

Too lazy to read through the rest of the comments to see if someone corrected you. But, no, you're completely, wildly, ridiculously wrong.

"Protective custody" is the term used for temporarily taking someone out of GenPop. Depending on the facility, it might or might not be solitary, but it isn't the same as punitive solitary (things like being able to have three books, or a radio, or a tv, or wear clothes, etc).

Neither of which is what Sandusky will get, which is Administrative Segregation, aka "AdSeg". This is a section physically locked of from GenPop, where you have:
former gang members, who would be killed by the gang in GenPop
former law enforcement officers
child molestors
transgenders

And depending on the institution, others. I've heard rumors that AdSeg is a good staging ground for undercovers before they are introduced to GenPop, but my sources on that are unreliable.

In any event, its not remotely solitary.
 
2012-06-25 02:04:32 AM

GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.


People in this case, and on this issue, abandoned their humanity a long time ago. The minute you're even suspected of something like this, or even being associated with someone who does something like this, you're no longer human in the eyes of the mob. That's what most arguments boil down to: dehumanization. Now we can let all of our hatreds and prejudices out on these people because "hey, they're kiddy-diddlers!" ...even when they're exonerated, or their own actions allow them to go free without trial (which is why Perverted Justice makes the issue a whole lot worse than it would have been...there are a lot of actual kiddy-diddlers that thank them for getting their cases thrown out).
 
2012-06-25 02:06:01 AM

Generation_D: Weaver95: 2wolves:

Of course the faithful are looking for a Judas. Who could be more of a blame target than a rapist of children?

there's a LOT of hate focused on Sandusky.

How do the central PA faithful reconcile the fact that Joe knew for 15 years and did nothing, that multiple reports to police and admin went nowhere, and in a small town where literally dozens of people had to have heard rumors, everything was business as usual for years? How do they reconcile Joe letting Sandusky stay with campus privileges even after being forced to resign in 2002?


I could actually see people keeping Paterno in the dark, legally speaking, on purpose. To the point where anything else he could 'logically' find explainations for.

Doesn't mean other heads shouldn't roll. And I could be wrong. But it wouldn't be the first time underlings absorbed info into a black hole so the CEO could honestly say he had no idea...

/also put me in the 'being gleeful at prison rape is f--ked up' camp
//even if the person is a monster I'm not gonna take schadenfreude in that
///solitary confinement and retribution to his victims will work (I know that doesn't heal anything but money can buy time and therapy to work toward that at least)
 
2012-06-25 02:06:44 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: It's worth noting being a good and loyal employee like Joe Pa has *nothing* to do with being a good or evil human.


Just like a Nazi camp guard then? I see....
 
2012-06-25 02:07:59 AM

born_yesterday: Get famous enough, and you won't have to go to jail for a bunch of stuff in the first place!


...Nancy, is that you?

GUILTY!
 
2012-06-25 02:08:36 AM

Weaver95: that said, prison can be a very brutal place. this was a high profile case, and Sandusky disgraced a popular (almost cult like) football program. He's in a very bad place right now and unless he's protected from his fellow inmates it is likely he won't survive to serve out his sentence.


He raped little boys and got JoePa fired.

Without PC, he won't make the weekend.
 
2012-06-25 02:10:43 AM

evaned: An interesting question though, from someone who's is undecided what Paterno's legacy should be at PSU. (Remember, he's responsible for more than football there -- e.g. a significant addition to the University's main library is named after him after he arranged a fundraising drive and gave several million for it.)

How many people screaming that Paterno's name should be erased from places of honor at PSU think that the US founding fathers should be erased from their positions of provenance because they owned slaves? How much does an evil act undo good ones?


That's not apples to apples because, unfortunately, slavery was accepted and even encouraged in America's earliest days. Child rape is both morally repugnant and against the law when PSU allowed Sandusky free reign to use the campus as his rapey playground.

It's like saying the Romans were evil because the men consorted with young boys. By today's point of view? Sure. By the point of view of their own time? Not so much.

Also, please don't confuse my argument as excusing the founding fathers owning slaves or Roman men who took to little boys. I'm not excusing anything, just saying it's not an even comparison.
 
2012-06-25 02:11:36 AM

OgreMagi: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.

Oh, quit your ranting and drooling.

Just add him to your ignore list like everyone else. I wouldn't have even seen his post if you hadn't quoted him. I see he's talking about his benevolent god that hates killing. That same god that killed people for trivial transgressions and committed genocide a few times.


Didn't God say to David that you are a man after my own heart but there is too much blood on your hands to build my temple? (they sang songs that King David was the killer of thousands and thousands in hand to hand combat).
 
2012-06-25 02:13:14 AM

ox45tallboy: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 585x436]


Of course not. They haven't spotted everyone who doesn't think that Paterno is burning in hell, so the witch hunt continues.
 
2012-06-25 02:13:25 AM

evaned: An interesting question though, from someone who's is undecided what Paterno's legacy should be at PSU. (Remember, he's responsible for more than football there -- e.g. a significant addition to the University's main library is named after him after he arranged a fundraising drive and gave several million for it.)

How many people screaming that Paterno's name should be erased from places of honor at PSU think that the US founding fathers should be erased from their positions of provenance because they owned slaves? How much does an evil act undo good ones?


Founding a nation that has lasted over 200 years ≠ football. Slavery at the time was accepted although wrong. Child rape by football coaches never has been accepted as far as I know.

My only issues is can anyone that has gotten this much publicity get a fair trial? I would hope so. I didn't see any of the evidence so I hope that the jury made the right decision.
 
2012-06-25 02:18:11 AM

Pharque-it: Uchiha_Cycliste: It's worth noting being a good and loyal employee like Joe Pa has *nothing* to do with being a good or evil human.

Just like a Nazi camp guard then? I see....


no, this almost couldn't be less appropriate if you tried.
 
2012-06-25 02:20:30 AM

cloud_van_dame: COMALite J: If your next-door neighbor tells you that he saw the neighbor across the street molest a child, but you yourself never saw any such thing, is the onus on you or your next-door neighbor to report it to the authorities?

If the neighbor across the street is your employee, at bare minimum you should do an investigation. And if something is amiss, you report it to the authorities.


Yep, an investigation on hearsay from a probable busybody. Hope you have cash to pay your lawyers for the defamation suit if the neighbor across the street finds out.
 
2012-06-25 02:23:21 AM

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Oh shiat Spiderman, how do I stopped rape?


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this guy has a creepily symmetrical face.

Also, for those of you still defending paterno - give me a farking break. If some son of a biatch is molesting kids under your watch, the very least you do is not let the SOB within a mile of your farking locker rooms. No passes, no tickets to games. He's OUT. If a guy that worked for me said - "hey uh.. I saw Jerry screwing a kid in the showers the other day", I wouldn't just tell my boss and cross him off the christmas card list, I'd call the farking police. What the fark is wrong with you people?
 
2012-06-25 02:23:25 AM

Owangotang: Also, please don't confuse my argument as excusing the founding fathers owning slaves or Roman men who took to little boys. I'm not excusing anything, just saying it's not an even comparison.


I'm not really trying to say it's an even comparison per se, just something to think about.

But to play Devil's Advocate for a second:

There are also a lot of things in favor of Paterno too. By modern standards, Paterno's offense was (I'd argue) miniscule in comparison.

Hell, even Sandusky's offenses were. Given the choice between being raped by Sandusky and being enslaved, I'd go with the rape, so I consider each individual act of Sandusky's to be less than each act. And then the sheer numbers aren't in favor either. There were, what, 8 kids on the trial? Let's say that Sandusky molested ten times that number -- 80 kids. Washington (the first I looked up) "owned" three hundred slaves. (Specifically, "over three-hundred African-American slaves lived at Mount Vernon." That may even be just at the time of his death, which means more cycled through if you look over the course of his life.)

And Paterno is a step removed from that.

And sure, saying that slavery was accepted at the time is a reasonable counterpoint. But when it comes to "Child rape is both morally repugnant and against the law when PSU allowed Sandusky free reign to use the campus as his rapey playground", I'm not convinced 2002 is the right time to measure by when looking at JoePa's moral culpability; it also be reasonable to think about what thinks were like in, say, the 50s. What was the environment like then? I don't know. Maybe this is a ridiculous argument and it was just as much a terrible act then as it is now. Or maybe cases like Sandusky's were commonly swept under the rug then.

Of course, the other side of this coin is that even though the evils of Paterno are far less than the evils of Washington by modern standards, so were the good acts -- helped found a great country (despite its faults) vs donated money for a library.

But yeah, I dunno. It's something to think about.
 
2012-06-25 02:27:09 AM

ox45tallboy: This was an employee reporting a criminal action which took place in an area directly under Paterno's supervision. Your analogy is like saying, "Those officers in the military shouldn't be held responsible for the rape of female soldiers that took place on their base. All they had to go on was someone telling them it was occurring."


...and if that's all those officers had to go on? No other evidence comes up? Only hearsay?

Then the military is on the receiving end of a defamation suit brought up by the "alleged" rapists.
 
2012-06-25 02:30:44 AM

Waldo Pepper: lets be honest in today's media, if this wasn't true and it got out everyone is ruined.


It didn't matter if it was true or not. JoePa was ruined, despite having the least guilt of everyone involved.
 
2012-06-25 02:32:33 AM

cmb53208: Yeah, becuase Jerry Sandusky is in the slammer for unpaid traffic tickets and missing a court date. I mean, it's not like he molested kids, right?


So where's the line? Assault and battery? Domestic abuse? Rape? Homicide?

Where is the line above which it's okay for other inmates to assault you?
 
2012-06-25 02:37:11 AM

Weaver95: GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.

that said, prison can be a very brutal place. this was a high profile case, and Sandusky disgraced a popular (almost cult like) football program. He's in a very bad place right now and unless he's protected from his fellow inmates it is likely he won't survive to serve out his sentence.


Given the nature of his crimes and the scope of the damage done, I am OK with this.
 
2012-06-25 02:38:45 AM

Lorelle: Another Brick in the Wall??

Welcome To The Machine would have been more appropriate:

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been.
You've been in the pipeline, filling in time,
Provided with toys and scouting for boys.


Thats what I expected. Would have made much more sense.
 
2012-06-25 02:38:47 AM

evaned:
And sure, saying that slavery was accepted at the time is a reasonable counterpoint. But when it comes to "Child rape is both morally repugnant and against the law when PSU allowed Sandusky free reign to use the campus as his rapey playground", I'm not convinced 2002 is the right time to measure by when looking at JoePa's moral culpability; it also be reasonable to think about what thinks were like in, say, the 50s. What was the environment like then? I don't know.


Well, by that metric I guess it would be ok if, into the 2000's, Joe Paterno made black people ride in the back of the bus and went out on weekends to beat the crap out of queers. Seriously.. you guys defending Paterno sound like farking idiots.
 
2012-06-25 02:39:39 AM

IlGreven: cmb53208: Yeah, becuase Jerry Sandusky is in the slammer for unpaid traffic tickets and missing a court date. I mean, it's not like he molested kids, right?

So where's the line? Assault and battery? Domestic abuse? Rape? Homicide?

Where is the line above which it's okay for other inmates to assault you?


Somewhere between "simple assault" and "stole the innocence of children and many of them will be broken for life".

There is a reason that among inmates, child molesters are considered less than equals.
 
2012-06-25 02:41:04 AM

Fark Me To Tears: BSABSVR: Woo! Today's thread where everyone shows how disgusted they are by rapists by concocting incredibly elaborate rape fantasies

Yeah, and don't forget about the self-important pseudointellectuals who put themselves up above all that by making fun of them...


He wasn't making fun. He was showing honest contempt. And if not, I am. Internet vigilantes. So cool.
 
2012-06-25 02:43:29 AM

Mugato: nekom: Protective custody. Same thing as the hole, except instead of being bad to get there, you have to be hated. Known gang members and high profile inmates are often kept in solitary confinement so they don't get shanked in the general population.

I thought all child molesters were a target for violence in prison, why would he get special treatment?


Maybe because he was incarcerated under the rule of law, which must be upheld by the rest of us that adhere to it.
 
2012-06-25 02:46:22 AM

Mugato: nekom: Protective custody. Same thing as the hole, except instead of being bad to get there, you have to be hated. Known gang members and high profile inmates are often kept in solitary confinement so they don't get shanked in the general population.

I thought all child molesters were a target for violence in prison, why would he get special treatment?


PC and solitary confinement are not the same thing.
 
2012-06-25 02:50:02 AM

Generation_D: Weaver95: 2wolves:

Of course the faithful are looking for a Judas. Who could be more of a blame target than a rapist of children?

there's a LOT of hate focused on Sandusky.

How do the central PA faithful reconcile the fact that Joe knew for 15 years and did nothing, that multiple reports to police and admin went nowhere, and in a small town where literally dozens of people had to have heard rumors, everything was business as usual for years? How do they reconcile Joe letting Sandusky stay with campus privileges even after being forced to resign in 2002?


As far as I'm concerned Joe P. was probably involved. I live in NEPA. As a disclaimer, I hate sports. I can't really be unbiased. But Patterno definately touched the boys!
 
2012-06-25 02:54:14 AM

gunther_bumpass: Well, by that metric I guess it would be ok if, into the 2000's, Joe Paterno made black people ride in the back of the bus and went out on weekends to beat the crap out of queers. Seriously.. you guys defending Paterno sound like farking idiots.


Read my posts... I'm not really defending Paterno, at least I don't think I am. Nor did I say it would be right if he did that -- just that (if it is true that Sanduskys were swept under the rug) it would absolve him of some of his moral culpability.

Just like the fact that slavery was common at the time of the founding fathers absolves them of some of their moral culpability for holding them. Unless you think it doesn't, in which case I hope you spit on their graves every chance you get.

His inaction about Sandusky is a huge blow to his stature, and rightly so. I'm more asking... is that blow really big enough to forget about the good things he did? And it is sort of a question. I'm not really looking for an answer, but nor do I think I have one.
 
2012-06-25 02:58:56 AM

IlGreven: cloud_van_dame: COMALite J: If your next-door neighbor tells you that he saw the neighbor across the street molest a child, but you yourself never saw any such thing, is the onus on you or your next-door neighbor to report it to the authorities?

If the neighbor across the street is your employee, at bare minimum you should do an investigation. And if something is amiss, you report it to the authorities.

Yep, an investigation on hearsay from a probable busybody. Hope you have cash to pay your lawyers for the defamation suit if the neighbor across the street finds out.


You don't think investigations never ever start on the word of a third party? For example if my neighbor comes to me and said he saw the guy at the end of the block raping a kids, but doesn't want to get involved, and I decide to tell the police what he told me, do you think the cops are going to say "Hold on there buddy, that's hearsay, you can leave right now with that!" No

No. What they will do, especially if it is a serious crime, is go and talk to the person who I said told me. Then they will decide if a further investigation is warranted from there.
 
2012-06-25 03:05:12 AM

ox45tallboy: AbbeySomeone: I'm sure the fact that there are no top 40 hits that detail s ex abuse by preadtorial football coaches upon vulnerable charity kids doesn't matter. Give them points for improv and STFU or compose something more appropriate.


Well put
 
2012-06-25 03:07:25 AM

ongbok: IlGreven: cloud_van_dame: COMALite J: If your next-door neighbor tells you that he saw the neighbor across the street molest a child, but you yourself never saw any such thing, is the onus on you or your next-door neighbor to report it to the authorities?

If the neighbor across the street is your employee, at bare minimum you should do an investigation. And if something is amiss, you report it to the authorities.

Yep, an investigation on hearsay from a probable busybody. Hope you have cash to pay your lawyers for the defamation suit if the neighbor across the street finds out.

You don't think investigations never ever start on the word of a third party? For example if my neighbor comes to me and said he saw the guy at the end of the block raping a kids, but doesn't want to get involved, and I decide to tell the police what he told me, do you think the cops are going to say "Hold on there buddy, that's hearsay, you can leave right now with that!" No

No. What they will do, especially if it is a serious crime, is go and talk to the person who I said told me. Then they will decide if a further investigation is warranted from there.


Come on, now. If your neighbor tells you that he saw another neighbor raping a child, you're supposed to wait until Monday (so you don't ruin his weekend) and then call your boss.
 
2012-06-25 03:28:01 AM

douchebag/hater: I can assure you that there are not 2.5 billion people practicing Christianity. There wouldn't be child worker suicides in a totalitarian state if there were. Nor would the most profitable corporation in the world be driving those workers to suicide.

I put the number closer to 13 or 14. 17 tops.

Your attempt at, well, your attempt at whatever it is your trying to post falls short of being understandable. But thanks for calling!

I will say this: the number is around 1 billion, same for Islam and Hindi.


We're at about 7 billion people and about 35% self-identify as Christian. So, yeah, 2.3ish billion would be appropriate methinks.
 
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