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2012-06-25 12:53:57 AM  

Generation_D: Penn State is the reverse. It did some reprehensible things not to win, but to keep a coach who could easily have been replaced and prosecuted in 2002 and the program cleaned up, and probably not take any long term damage at all.


Organizational psychology is weird. Organizations almost always behave this way - closing ranks to protect the organization and it's leaders from scrutiny / harm. Much moreso than individuals, tight-knit groups of people react to external threats in extremely predictable ways. Whether it's police departments protecting bad cops, or the Catholic church sheltering pedophile priests, or any other group faced with scandal, organizations (especially male-dominated ones with a strict pecking order) will invariably try to protect the organization's reputation by covering up or protecting the misdeeds of the faithful.

I'm sure there's been some scholarly research on the subject but I'm too drunk to bother looking it up.
 
2012-06-25 12:54:10 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Amazing. Libs find capital punishment terrible, but getting raped and murdered by inmates gives them the lulz


Yeah, becuase Jerry Sandusky is in the slammer for unpaid traffic tickets and missing a court date. I mean, it's not like he molested kids, right?
 
2012-06-25 12:55:55 AM  

gimmegimme: You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction


Now you're the one spinning facts. He didn't hear multiple times that Sandusky was raping anyone. At least if my memory of the grand jury indictment holds, we only know for certain that he knew of the previous investigation (1997) which was "just" for showering with a kid. Definitely inappropriate and should be ringing huge alarm bells, but it's also about as far from there to actual rape as Earth is from Alpha Centauri. And he also knew that investigation didn't bring up anything.

As I've said in several earlier posts, he definitely should have reported this incident to the actual police. And his legacy in my mind has suffered dramatically for it. You don't need to go making up crap.
 
2012-06-25 12:58:31 AM  

evaned: And he also knew that investigation didn't bring up anything.


"anything criminal" is what that meant to say.
 
2012-06-25 01:00:27 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Why are you making excuses for people who facilitated child rape?

how do you know what was in JoePa mind. How do you know if he had "no doubt"?

how long after McQueary seeing what happen and when he told JoePa.

I might think that if the guy who saw what happen didn't think to call the police maybe he wasn't quite sure what he saw. Might be wise to talk to others before calling the police.

lets be honest in today's media, if this wasn't true and it got out everyone is ruined.


I don't care whether Paterno had "no doubt." His job and moral duty was to call the police so the court system could figure out whether there was doubt.

McQueary slithered into JoePa's office only a day after seeing Sandusky rape a boy. JoePa was the one who waited until the weekend was over to call his co-conspirators instead of the cops.

I would give you leeway on the "you have to be sure" argument if there weren't a million other raped children in Sandusky's past. Paterno knew about this history, even if there were no convictions. Further, McQueary did not tell Paterno an ambiguous story. It wasn't as though he said, "Geez...I saw Jerry buy a kid an ice cream cone and he just had this glint in his eye." No. He described a naked senior citizen pressing his body against a naked youngster.

You continue to make excuses for facilitators of child rape.
 
2012-06-25 01:03:27 AM  

evaned: evaned: And he also knew that investigation didn't bring up anything.

"anything criminal" is what that meant to say.


Link

So what you're saying is that Paterno was an oblivious moron who spent hours pushing on a door that says "pull." Did Paterno count to potato?
 
2012-06-25 01:03:59 AM  

The_Sponge: GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.


I want this f*cker to suffer extreme pain, and I guarantee that those of us who feel that way have a billion times more humanity than he does.


A billion times zero is still zero, and being a billion times better than Jerry Sandusky does not make you a good person.

/not claiming to be that much better myself
//The way I would put it is, I would rather see all prison rape put to an end, even if that happens to spare Sandusky too.
 
2012-06-25 01:04:38 AM  

SpinStopper: Dry as a funeral drum.


and night after night
we pretend its alright
as you have grown older
and i have grown colder
and nothing makes very
much sense, any more

/dark side regular doses
//now's good
 
2012-06-25 01:05:01 AM  

The_Sponge: I want this f*cker to suffer extreme pain, and I guarantee that those of us who feel that way have a billion times more humanity than he does.


And a billion times less humanity than those who don't have sadistic revenge fantasies.

He's locked in a cage and will remain so for the remainder of his life. Justice has been done and the threat has been neutralized. Unnecessary cruelty inflicted on helpless prisoners is immoral and unconscionable.

I wouldn't be opposed to the death penalty in his case, although I think that would be giving him the easy way out. That said, there's a big difference between a quick and painless death by lethal injection and something like being broken on the wheel.

It's called a JUSTICE system not a VENGEANCE system for a reason.
 
2012-06-25 01:07:19 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I never said Joe was a brilliant general, I think i have been quite clear that I feel his age has played into his failure to handle this correctly. I think after 50 years or whatever it was, Joe put PSU first and did whatever he thought was right to protect the uni and the students and like the old horse who knows the trail by heart, i don't think Joe knew how to handle such a horrible situation as it was a path he never dreamed he would have to face.

part of me thinks maybe those above Joe who truly knew what was going on and who were benefiting from it might also have been playing the old man as a scapegoat if it ever hit the fan.

now if JoePa knew about it and ignore it for all the horrible reasons everyone has stated, I do hope his name is removed from everything at the school and in the NCAA records. like his time at PSU never existed.


At the VERY least, he knew about the kid McQueary saw being raped in the shower. He saw Sandusky in the hall of the same building and didn't raise hell to keep Sandusky from going into the luxury boxes and on recruiting trips. What kind of a horrible person can deal with a child rapist being so close without calling the cops?

How many raped children should Paterno have kept quiet about to deserve having his name removed from the school?
 
2012-06-25 01:09:00 AM  

clyph: It's called a JUSTICE system not a VENGEANCE system for a reason.


it's called the 'just us' system.

/certain people are excluded
//among them high ranking US officials, former presidents
 
2012-06-25 01:09:12 AM  

gimmegimme: So what you're saying is that Paterno was an oblivious moron who spent hours pushing on a door that says "pull." Did Paterno count to potato?


I think you're the one counting to potato.

That timeline is of allegations that we know now, in retrospect. The only thing that isn't speculation about what Paterno knew prior to McQueary's report is the 1997 showering incident. In fact, Paterno's name only appears twice on that timeline, both relating to the McQuery incident.
 
2012-06-25 01:09:13 AM  

Waldo Pepper: evaned: gimmegimme: You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction

Now you're the one spinning facts. He didn't hear multiple times that Sandusky was raping anyone. At least if my memory of the grand jury indictment holds, we only know for certain that he knew of the previous investigation (1997) which was "just" for showering with a kid. Definitely inappropriate and should be ringing huge alarm bells, but it's also about as far from there to actual rape as Earth is from Alpha Centauri. And he also knew that investigation didn't bring up anything.

As I've said in several earlier posts, he definitely should have reported this incident to the actual police. And his legacy in my mind has suffered dramatically for it. You don't need to go making up crap.

so gimmie which is it, had JoePa been told multiple times or was it just the showering thing from 97?


From my link:

1998 - Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reports Sandusky had showered with her son.

June 1, 1998 - Sandusky is interviewed and admits showering naked with the boy, saying it was wrong and promising not to do it again. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed, and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed.


Was the all-powerful Paterno too old to understand what was happening?
 
2012-06-25 01:10:44 AM  

evaned: gimmegimme: So what you're saying is that Paterno was an oblivious moron who spent hours pushing on a door that says "pull." Did Paterno count to potato?

I think you're the one counting to potato.

That timeline is of allegations that we know now, in retrospect. The only thing that isn't speculation about what Paterno knew prior to McQueary's report is the 1997 showering incident. In fact, Paterno's name only appears twice on that timeline, both relating to the McQuery incident.


I'll modify my question to Waldo:

How many little boys is it acceptable for a friend to shower with alone before you call the cops?
 
2012-06-25 01:11:22 AM  
And the sea isn't green
And I love the Queen
And what exactly is a dream
And what exactly is a joke



/R.I.P. Syd.
 
2012-06-25 01:12:52 AM  

gimmegimme: Was the all-powerful Paterno too old to understand what was happening?


The only people portraying Paterno as "all-powerful" are the ones deriving pleasure from his disgrace.
 
2012-06-25 01:16:19 AM  

urban.derelict: clyph: It's called a JUSTICE system not a VENGEANCE system for a reason.

it's called the 'just us' system.

/certain people are excluded
//among them high ranking US officials, former presidents


Whatever could you be talking about?
 
2012-06-25 01:17:05 AM  

urban.derelict: clyph: It's called a JUSTICE system not a VENGEANCE system for a reason.

it's called the 'just us' system.

/certain people are excluded
//among them high ranking US officials, former presidents


Didn't say it was perfect...

The high and mighty have almost always been above justice. There have only been a handful of times and places where justice has been applied evenly from top to bottom; we do a better job than most. (Granted, that just means we get a D- when most societies get an F)
 
2012-06-25 01:17:42 AM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Was the all-powerful Paterno too old to understand what was happening?

The only people portraying Paterno as "all-powerful" are the ones deriving pleasure from his disgrace.


To be fair, I am not pleased about Paterno's disgrace. I am hoping that, in the future, what Paterno is suffering will lead people to call the cops.

I just have a lot of trouble listening to people make excuses for very powerful people who turn a blind eye to child rape. (I'm looking at you, Cardinal Law. And the guy in Milwaukee who literally paid bonuses to pedophile priests.)
 
2012-06-25 01:17:57 AM  

gimmegimme: How many little boys is it acceptable for a friend to shower with alone before you call the cops?


Read my f'ing posts. It's pretty clear that "immediately when you hear about it" is going to be my answer. I'm not excusing Paterno's (in)action. I'm just saying you don't need to go make crap up.

You specifically said, about what Paterno knew at the time McQueary showed up at his door: "You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction."

This statement, to my knowledge, is unsupported by evidence. And when I called you on it, you gave a link that also doesn't support your statement.

Now are you going to admit that you made up that statement, or at the very least that it's a tremendous amount of hyperbole? ("multiple times" = "once", "raping" = "showering with", and "did not result in a conviction" = "wasn't even charged")
 
2012-06-25 01:19:56 AM  

Waldo Pepper: gimmegimme: Waldo Pepper: evaned: gimmegimme: You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction

Now you're the one spinning facts. He didn't hear multiple times that Sandusky was raping anyone. At least if my memory of the grand jury indictment holds, we only know for certain that he knew of the previous investigation (1997) which was "just" for showering with a kid. Definitely inappropriate and should be ringing huge alarm bells, but it's also about as far from there to actual rape as Earth is from Alpha Centauri. And he also knew that investigation didn't bring up anything.

As I've said in several earlier posts, he definitely should have reported this incident to the actual police. And his legacy in my mind has suffered dramatically for it. You don't need to go making up crap.

so gimmie which is it, had JoePa been told multiple times or was it just the showering thing from 97?

From my link:

1998 - Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reports Sandusky had showered with her son.

June 1, 1998 - Sandusky is interviewed and admits showering naked with the boy, saying it was wrong and promising not to do it again. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed, and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed.

Was the all-powerful Paterno too old to understand what was happening?

showering is not rape. if the DA and Police Chief tell me that the case is closed no charges are filed. why would I think any more about it.

do we have any clue as to how either the DA or Chief told what happen to JoePa. Was he involved in the investigations?


Okay. Just do me this favor. If you ever see one of my future children showering alone with an adult (myself included)...call the cops. Please. Especially if the old guy is "horsing around" with my kid. Please.
 
2012-06-25 01:19:59 AM  
at least it wasn't "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict"
 
2012-06-25 01:22:01 AM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Was the all-powerful Paterno too old to understand what was happening?

The only people portraying Paterno as "all-powerful" are the ones deriving pleasure from his disgrace.


May I remind you the man had a statue erected by his followers at PSU. He is famous for telling the board to back off, he was going to stay another year despite repeated flirtations with retirement. If he wasn't all-powerful no one dared to tell him otherwise.

Until recently, that is. He was fired, died, and is now worm food. Best possible outcome.
 
2012-06-25 01:23:49 AM  

gimmegimme: Okay. Just do me this favor. If you ever see one of my future children showering alone with an adult (myself included)...call the cops. Please. Especially if the old guy is "horsing around" with my kid. Please.


I feel kind of bad laughing at anything connected to this whole event, but this actually did it.
 
2012-06-25 01:24:11 AM  

evaned: gimmegimme: How many little boys is it acceptable for a friend to shower with alone before you call the cops?

Read my f'ing posts. It's pretty clear that "immediately when you hear about it" is going to be my answer. I'm not excusing Paterno's (in)action. I'm just saying you don't need to go make crap up.

You specifically said, about what Paterno knew at the time McQueary showed up at his door: "You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction."

This statement, to my knowledge, is unsupported by evidence. And when I called you on it, you gave a link that also doesn't support your statement.

Now are you going to admit that you made up that statement, or at the very least that it's a tremendous amount of hyperbole? ("multiple times" = "once", "raping" = "showering with", and "did not result in a conviction" = "wasn't even charged")


I will give you 10% agreement on your statement. We can admit that Paterno knew at least once that his buddy was showering with a little boy from that previous investigation. Once McQueary describes the slapping sound and the anal sex motions happening in the shower, I feel that "raping" is justified terminology.

Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary? Perhaps I should focus on the fact that Paterno allowed the monster into his midst for a decade.
 
2012-06-25 01:25:43 AM  

GoldSpider: The only people portraying Paterno as "all-powerful" are the ones deriving pleasure from his disgrace.


I would say that the "all-powerful" moniker is not that far from the truth. And believe me, I derive no pleasure from his end.
 
2012-06-25 01:26:09 AM  

evaned: gimmegimme: Okay. Just do me this favor. If you ever see one of my future children showering alone with an adult (myself included)...call the cops. Please. Especially if the old guy is "horsing around" with my kid. Please.

I feel kind of bad laughing at anything connected to this whole event, but this actually did it.


I love how The Onion can actually make humor out of terrible situations and do it with respect. Here's one of my favorites: Neighbors Confront Alcoholic Child-Abuser About His Lawn
 
2012-06-25 01:28:07 AM  

nekom: I'm surprised they didn't take him directly to PC.


That's not a mistake. The world wants him to get shanked.
 
2012-06-25 01:29:49 AM  

gimmegimme: I will give you 10% agreement on your statement. We can admit that Paterno knew at least once that his buddy was showering with a little boy from that previous investigation. Once McQueary describes the slapping sound and the anal sex motions happening in the shower, I feel that "raping" is justified terminology.

Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary? Perhaps I should focus on the fact that Paterno allowed the monster into his midst for a decade.


Let's go back and look at the post where you originally said that:

gimmegimme: You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction. You would give your friend the benefit of the doubt when another person you respect claims he saw your friend raping a boy in the shower?


To my mind the part I'm asking you to retract pretty unambiguously refers to what Paterno knew before McQueary showed up.

But whatever. At this point I think I'm arguing somewhat just for the point of arguing and we don't actually disagree all that much. So I think I'll stop. :-)
 
2012-06-25 01:30:41 AM  

nekom: Nickster79: nekom: I'm surprised they didn't take him directly to PC.

Panama City?

Protective custody. Same thing as the hole, except instead of being bad to get there, you have to be hated. Known gang members and high profile inmates are often kept in solitary confinement so they don't get shanked in the general population.


He really needs administrative segregation. (Or AdSeg in the pokey.) 24 hours in a box. The End.
 
2012-06-25 01:31:24 AM  

gimmegimme: Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary?


I'm sure he was told, but I can conceive that he's lived such a sheltered life for so long that he might not have understood the specifics of what he was being told. I can also believe that he simply thought he did his job when he reported up the chain of command. Either way we can agree that he fell far short of his moral obligations.
 
2012-06-25 01:33:06 AM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.

that said, prison can be a very brutal place. this was a high profile case, and Sandusky disgraced a popular (almost cult like) football program. He's in a very bad place right now and unless he's protected from his fellow inmates it is likely he won't survive to serve out his sentence.


He's on suicide watch. I'm betting there's a good reason for that.
 
2012-06-25 01:34:34 AM  

gimmegimme: I love how The Onion can actually make humor out of terrible situations and do it with respect. Here's one of my favorites


And one of mine, which actually got me to laugh "at" 9/11, though I sorta think it does the typical Onion thing and peters out partway through. (This was also pretty good.)
 
2012-06-25 01:35:49 AM  

evaned: gimmegimme: I will give you 10% agreement on your statement. We can admit that Paterno knew at least once that his buddy was showering with a little boy from that previous investigation. Once McQueary describes the slapping sound and the anal sex motions happening in the shower, I feel that "raping" is justified terminology.

Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary? Perhaps I should focus on the fact that Paterno allowed the monster into his midst for a decade.

Let's go back and look at the post where you originally said that:

gimmegimme: You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction. You would give your friend the benefit of the doubt when another person you respect claims he saw your friend raping a boy in the shower?

To my mind the part I'm asking you to retract pretty unambiguously refers to what Paterno knew before McQueary showed up.

But whatever. At this point I think I'm arguing somewhat just for the point of arguing and we don't actually disagree all that much. So I think I'll stop. :-)


I will admit to a little hyperbole. I have heard "rumors" about someone I knew a long time ago. If I heard a similar "rumor" about the guy today, I certainly wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt.

Your questions about my statements are valid...I just don't understand how anyone can give Paterno a 100% pass. I get it...he was old and he heard some pretty heavy accusations. We deal with such situations in a very different way than sixty years ago, when he became the coach. As Gold Spider points out, I just wish that a man who cared so much about the institution and honor would have lived up to his own moral code.
 
2012-06-25 01:41:16 AM  

evaned: got me to laugh "at" 9/11


maritaulv.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-25 01:41:54 AM  

Waldo Pepper: GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Do we at least agree that Paterno knew about the 2002 child rape in the shower after he was told about it by McQueary?

I'm sure he was told, but I can conceive that he's lived such a sheltered life for so long that he might not have understood the specifics of what he was being told. I can also believe that he simply thought he did his job when he reported up the chain of command. Either way we can agree that he fell far short of his moral obligations.

I can agree with this.

I still don't understand McQueary. I can understand why he didn't try to stop it, Sandusky is a good size man and being 10 years ago I'm sure still in good shape. Had he tried to stop it, it is possible something worse could have happen to him and the kid.

but what harm in going to the cops or even the PSU police. a strong this is what I saw statement would have got an investigation rolling.


Look, even I don't feel it was McQueary's moral duty to go in there Samuel L. Jackson-style. (Not that it would have bothered me...it's not like Sandusky could have Stood His Ground; he was clearly unarmed.)

I agree. McQueary had a cell phone, apparently. He should have called 911, at the very least.
 
2012-06-25 01:42:42 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Goddamn college sports aren't real life and if some of those kids weren't good athletes they wouldn't have a scholarship. Monkey sports ability =/=intelligence.


Do you feel the same way about track and swim stars representing you in the Olympics? Is the incrediblly hard work of those kids worthy of nothing but your derision, or is it just football you hate?

Focus your anger on the man, not the entire game and system. You might need a dredger to get that sand out of your vagina.
 
2012-06-25 01:42:45 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I still don't understand McQueary. I can understand why he didn't try to stop it, Sandusky is a good size man and being 10 years ago I'm sure still in good shape. Had he tried to stop it, it is possible something worse could have happen to him and the kid.

but what harm in going to the cops or even the PSU police. a strong this is what I saw statement would have got an investigation rolling.


I don't feel McQueary has gotten a lick of criticism he doesn't deserve.
 
2012-06-25 01:46:47 AM  
It's worth noting being a good and loyal employee like Joe Pa has *nothing* to do with being a good or evil human.
 
2012-06-25 01:52:19 AM  

PainInTheASP: Triumph: Animals.

Yup-- and its too late to lose the weight he used to need to throw around.


He'll be gaining weight a 1/4oz. at a time......whatever doesn't run down the back of his legs.
 
2012-06-25 01:52:26 AM  

skinink: Heh, like it matters what a bunch of cons think of another con. I bet if Sandusky could help any of them break out of jail, they wouldn't hate him as much.


How would he help them break out?
Poke them through the bars perhaps?
 
2012-06-25 01:53:36 AM  
I imagine it won't be too long before they're singing Tool songs to him.

♫ ♬ "Do unto you now, what has been done to me" ♫ ♬
 
2012-06-25 01:56:44 AM  

GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.


Please explain why justice precludes death.

Human life has no inherent value beyon the way in which that life is used. If used poorly, the life is worthless. In these cases the life may be extinguished.
 
2012-06-25 01:58:12 AM  

snake_beater: Lorelle: Another Brick in the Wall??

Welcome To The Machine would have been more appropriate:

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been.
You've been in the pipeline, filling in time,
Provided with toys and scouting for boys.

Is it strange that I always associate that song to Ecco?


No, its not. One of the last levels was named 'Welcome to the Machine'.
 
2012-06-25 02:01:34 AM  
An interesting question though, from someone who's is undecided what Paterno's legacy should be at PSU. (Remember, he's responsible for more than football there -- e.g. a significant addition to the University's main library is named after him after he arranged a fundraising drive and gave several million for it.)

How many people screaming that Paterno's name should be erased from places of honor at PSU think that the US founding fathers should be erased from their positions of provenance because they owned slaves? How much does an evil act undo good ones?
 
2012-06-25 02:04:21 AM  
bubosibiricus

Protective Custody is not special treatment. It's solitary confinement with a different name only. Solitary confinement in all contexts sucks for the inmate. Always.

Too lazy to read through the rest of the comments to see if someone corrected you. But, no, you're completely, wildly, ridiculously wrong.

"Protective custody" is the term used for temporarily taking someone out of GenPop. Depending on the facility, it might or might not be solitary, but it isn't the same as punitive solitary (things like being able to have three books, or a radio, or a tv, or wear clothes, etc).

Neither of which is what Sandusky will get, which is Administrative Segregation, aka "AdSeg". This is a section physically locked of from GenPop, where you have:
former gang members, who would be killed by the gang in GenPop
former law enforcement officers
child molestors
transgenders

And depending on the institution, others. I've heard rumors that AdSeg is a good staging ground for undercovers before they are introduced to GenPop, but my sources on that are unreliable.

In any event, its not remotely solitary.
 
2012-06-25 02:04:32 AM  

GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.


People in this case, and on this issue, abandoned their humanity a long time ago. The minute you're even suspected of something like this, or even being associated with someone who does something like this, you're no longer human in the eyes of the mob. That's what most arguments boil down to: dehumanization. Now we can let all of our hatreds and prejudices out on these people because "hey, they're kiddy-diddlers!" ...even when they're exonerated, or their own actions allow them to go free without trial (which is why Perverted Justice makes the issue a whole lot worse than it would have been...there are a lot of actual kiddy-diddlers that thank them for getting their cases thrown out).
 
2012-06-25 02:06:01 AM  

Generation_D: Weaver95: 2wolves:

Of course the faithful are looking for a Judas. Who could be more of a blame target than a rapist of children?

there's a LOT of hate focused on Sandusky.

How do the central PA faithful reconcile the fact that Joe knew for 15 years and did nothing, that multiple reports to police and admin went nowhere, and in a small town where literally dozens of people had to have heard rumors, everything was business as usual for years? How do they reconcile Joe letting Sandusky stay with campus privileges even after being forced to resign in 2002?


I could actually see people keeping Paterno in the dark, legally speaking, on purpose. To the point where anything else he could 'logically' find explainations for.

Doesn't mean other heads shouldn't roll. And I could be wrong. But it wouldn't be the first time underlings absorbed info into a black hole so the CEO could honestly say he had no idea...

/also put me in the 'being gleeful at prison rape is f--ked up' camp
//even if the person is a monster I'm not gonna take schadenfreude in that
///solitary confinement and retribution to his victims will work (I know that doesn't heal anything but money can buy time and therapy to work toward that at least)
 
2012-06-25 02:06:44 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: It's worth noting being a good and loyal employee like Joe Pa has *nothing* to do with being a good or evil human.


Just like a Nazi camp guard then? I see....
 
2012-06-25 02:07:59 AM  

born_yesterday: Get famous enough, and you won't have to go to jail for a bunch of stuff in the first place!


...Nancy, is that you?

GUILTY!
 
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