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2012-06-24 11:59:26 PM  
Weaver95:
that said, prison can be a very brutal place. this was a high profile case, and Sandusky disgraced a popular (almost cult like) football program. He's in a very bad place right now and unless he's protected from his fellow inmates it is likely he won't survive to serve out his sentence.

It looks like it might be a 400 year sentence. I don't see him surviving quite that long.
 
2012-06-25 12:00:25 AM  
Seriously Fark? What the fark?

www.justsaypictures.com
 
2012-06-25 12:00:43 AM  

Begoggle: Poor analogy.
We're talking about football, not guys with guns.
Football, a game for children with a ball.



No, we're talking about an organization with a clearly defined chain of command which protected a rapist in order to avoid negative repercussions for the organization as a whole. Make a little more sense now?
 
2012-06-25 12:02:32 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Now, now you attempt at showing how hateful God falls by your very selective choice of verses. But then if you were to quote vast swaths of the NT in which God proclaims His love for Mankind that show you to be a thinking, balanced peson instead of someone with a distain for the religion of 2.5 billion people.


I can assure you that there are not 2.5 billion people practicing Christianity. There wouldn't be child worker suicides in a totalitarian state if there were. Nor would the most profitable corporation in the world be driving those workers to suicide.

I put the number closer to 13 or 14. 17 tops.


Of course it depends on exactly how you define "practicing Christianity," but most estimates seem to be in the 2.0 to 2.1 billion range.

Christianity is the single largest religion in the world, at almost 33% of the Earth's population. If it makes you feel any better, however, the number of adherents seems to be dropping, or at least the rate of grown is slowing.
 
2012-06-25 12:03:11 AM  

calbert: christ, inmates even fail at trolling...
he wasn't a teacher.


No, but his fellow Pedo State Child Rapists Lasaga and Neisworth were.

/hope the victims sue that univeristy until it wishes that it was Arthur Andersen
 
2012-06-25 12:04:03 AM  

Mark Ratner: I love it. Sweet justice.

It would have been cool if they could have blasted The Doors' "The End," as he walked on down the hall.


too long to sing (TLTS?)
 
2012-06-25 12:04:06 AM  
There needs to be some online live prison jukebox where we can pay to sing the next song that the inmates sing to him.

Wonder how many Weird Al tunes they know.
 
2012-06-25 12:04:06 AM  

Begoggle: ox45tallboy: COMALite J: What exactly did Paterno know? Note: What McCreary allegedly told him is not Paterno's own knowledge. It's hearsay. If your next-door neighbor tells you that he saw the neighbor across the street molest a child, but you yourself never saw any such thing, is the onus on you or your next-door neighbor to report it to the authorities?

Very poor analogy. This isn't a neighbor across the street, this is your boss. This is the man in charge, the place the buck stops. As I said in the last thread, on that campus, regarding the football program, Joe Paterno was God Incarnate. When someone is given Godlike authority, they are expected to have Godlike omnipotence as well.

This was an employee reporting a criminal action which took place in an area directly under Paterno's supervision. Your analogy is like saying, "Those officers in the military shouldn't be held responsible for the rape of female soldiers that took place on their base. All they had to go on was someone telling them it was occurring."

Poor analogy.
We're talking about football, not guys with guns.
Football, a game for children with a ball.


You cannot possibly be this ignorant. Put down your game controller for two seconds and comprehend the business side of this and what it entails
Then read it again, if you're able.
 
2012-06-25 12:04:31 AM  
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2012-06-25 12:04:41 AM  

ox45tallboy: Begoggle: Poor analogy.
We're talking about football, not guys with guns.
Football, a game for children with a ball.


No, we're talking about an organization with a clearly defined chain of command which protected a rapist in order to avoid negative repercussions for the organization as a whole. Make a little more sense now?


Leave the Catholic Church out of this.
 
2012-06-25 12:04:52 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Amazing. Libs find capital punishment terrible, but getting raped and murdered by inmates gives them the lulz


I believe that this is what we call "Freudian projection." Or maybe "strawman." Maybe even a little of both.
 
2012-06-25 12:05:17 AM  

djh0101010: GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.

Crom's sake...don't you EVER get tired of listening to yourself mamble off this bullshiat? The kiddie diddler deserves every possible disrespect coming to him.


He's just upset that one of the institutions on his side got in trouble.

/if Sandusky has been a member of the Bush administration he'd be calling for every possible horrible fate
 
2012-06-25 12:07:05 AM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.

that said, prison can be a very brutal place. this was a high profile case, and Sandusky disgraced a popular (almost cult like) football program. He's in a very bad place right now and unless he's protected from his fellow inmates it is likely he won't survive to serve out his sentence.


It doesn't matter the sentence, he won't survive to serve it out- unless you think he can live a couple hundred more years.

/I expect him to get shanked
 
2012-06-25 12:08:05 AM  

douchebag/hater: smurfnazi: GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.

ummmmmm..........God was a right hateful bastard.
Sodom and Gomorrah
The flood

The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).

the list goes on and on.

Now, now you attempt at showing how hateful God falls by your very selective choice of verses. But then if you were to quote vast swaths of the NT in which God proclaims His love for Mankind that show you to be a thinking, balanced peson instead of someone with a distain for the religion of 2.5 billion people.

BTW why don't you drag out Islam for some ridicule? Haven't read the Koran or just chicken-shiate?


Did your parents have any children that survived?
 
2012-06-25 12:10:51 AM  

Tainted1: Did your parents have any children that survived?


www.fairfaxunderground.com

"I bet they regret that!"
 
2012-06-25 12:13:07 AM  

Waldo Pepper: evaned: Waldo Pepper: If I'm a head coach at a high school and someone tells me that one of the vendors is sexually abusing some of the boys from the visiting teams, I report what I've heard, everything comes back "nothing found to support it" even from the police. Unless I hear/see otherwise I don't pursue the charge.

That would have been reasonable if that's what happened... except the police didn't come back with "nothing found to support it" because they didn't come back with anything at all because they didn't do an investigation because no one told them. (We're talking about the McQuery incident, not the earlier one.)

How much you want to put on JoePa vs Curly/Schultz/McQuery is up to you, and there are kind of reasonable arguments for blaming each of them (even potentially more than JoePa), but saying the police came back with "unsubstantiated" isn't really a good depiction of what happened.

I stand corrected on the police report.

if JoePa knew and ignored it for any reason than his legacy should die and his statue come down.

I tend to think JoePa was being a good employee and letting his bosses handle it. As much power as everyone says he had, I feel that maybe somewhere he felt PSU wanted him out and if he made waves they would replace him. I know legacy and all that but look how fast they pulled the trigger once they got the chance. Men from his generation did everything they could to keep a job. Also is it not possible that at this point in his age he wasn't the power and force behind the team. Maybe his mind was slipping.
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I sort of think there is blame higher ups than on JoePa. Besides Joe is dead and can't defend himself better to focus on those who can be charged.


That's a good point. When someone drives through the window of a Wendy's, the store manager will let the hierarchy handle the arrangements to fix the building.

If the Wendy's manager realizes, however, that her employee is raping little boys in the men's room, she must call the police or she is a terrible, evil person who has facilitated child rape.
 
2012-06-25 12:13:42 AM  
Reminds me of the movie Big Daddy

" that big, white, wrinkly body on you with his loose skin and old balls... gross! Ugh!"
 
2012-06-25 12:14:06 AM  

Weaver95: it's difficult to explain to non-central Pa people just how pervasive and fanatical PSU football is in these parts


It's funny. I grew up in central PA and went to undergrad at PSU (what happened hurt, on a bunch of levels) and am now in grad school at University of Wisconsin. So I should be perfectly qualified to answer this question, and yet I don't really know the answer.

But is PSU really that much more fanatical about football than other large state schools?

Because it kind of doesn't seem like it to me. Then again I tend to be kind of oblivious to that sort of thing... "football Saturday"'s primary meaning to me in State College was "oh God don't drive anywhere", and in about a decade of going to one big-10 school or another (oh god I'm old) I've been to all of one football game, and that was because a friend won a pair of tickets. (Coincidentally, it was PSU at Wisconsin.) I even typed "football Sunday" above at first.

The big difference at PSU seems to be the reverence of JoePa. He was football here, so the enthusiasm was directed at him. As opposed to here where it's directed at the program. And that there's less going on in State College than in Madison, so a greater percentage of non-student residents have connections to the university and get involved.
 
2012-06-25 12:15:15 AM  

beta_plus: djh0101010: GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.

Crom's sake...don't you EVER get tired of listening to yourself mamble off this bullshiat? The kiddie diddler deserves every possible disrespect coming to him.

He's just upset that one of the institutions on his side got in trouble.

/if Sandusky has been a member of the Bush administration he'd be calling for every possible horrible fate


If Sandusky had been a member of the Bush Administration, he would not be on trial for war crimes and would be a well-paid Fox News contributor right about now.
 
2012-06-25 12:17:39 AM  

gimmegimme: Waldo Pepper: evaned: Waldo Pepper:

I sort of think there is blame higher ups than on JoePa. Besides Joe is dead and can't defend himself better to focus on those who can be charged.

That's a good point. When someone drives through the window of a Wendy's Red Lobster, the store manager will let the hierarchy handle the arrangements to fix the building.

If the Wendy's Olive Garden manager realizes, however, that her employee is raping little boys in the men's room, she m ...


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THIS IS FARK!
 
2012-06-25 12:18:37 AM  

sleeps in trees: Point, people will do anything to keep the status quo, to keep their standing in society. It takes an amazingly strong person to buck that for anyone else.


Sadly, organizations can be great enablers -- especially when they stand to gain from the a$$ociation.
Your courage is inspiring.
 
2012-06-25 12:21:12 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'd like to see the Athletic Director, NCAA Compliance Official, and the President of Penn State brought up on charges of conspiracy to commit child rape.


A lot more than that needs to be done. Two other child rapists are known to have been on Penn State's staff - Lasaga and Neisworth. Two is a coincidence, three is a trend.

Penn State has made it clear by its actions that if one of its employees brings in the dough either through federal tax dollar research grants or football tickets, they will protect that employee even if that employee rapes 10 year old children.

Do not have any illusions. Penn State will continue to protect child rapists who make the dollars rain as long as it is allowed to continue as an institution. Its management and staff will only learn their lesson if they are forced to personally pay for this by losing their jobs and possibly serving prison time in the general population, not a white collar country club.

Penn State needs to be shut down - preferably Arthur Andersen style so that other schools that pull this - and there are many others such as The Citadel - will know what the consequences are for them when they get caught.
 
2012-06-25 12:22:24 AM  
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Like the skin of a dying man.
Night after night, we pretend its all right
But I have grown older and
You have grown colder and
Nothing is very much fun any more.
And I can feel one of my turns coming on.
I feel cold as a razor blade,
Tight as a tourniquet,
Dry as a funeral drum.
 
2012-06-25 12:23:01 AM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7179501/77674739#c77674739" target="_blank">Weaver95</a>:</b> <i>2wolves: Weaver95: almost cult like

In high school we had a PSU scout show for a game and every mother in the stands appeared eager to blow him if he'd watch their kid's highlight VHS tape.

it's difficult to explain to non-central Pa people just how pervasive and fanatical PSU football is in these parts. Right or wrong, Sandusky seems to be getting all the blame for tarnishing the good name of Penn State football....that's kind of not a good place to be right now.</i>

I grew up in PA and a lot of my high school classmates went on to Penn State. Many people start out at one of the dozens of other campuses and transfer to the main campus if/when they can. Sometimes it's because they can't get into Main right away. Sometimes it's a cost issue. I applied and got in and people were shocked when I turned it down to go to a much better private university. They couldn't believe I'd pass up the chance to attend those football games. They are nuts.
 
2012-06-25 12:24:07 AM  
I prefer "Ring of Fire" by Johnny Cash
 
2012-06-25 12:24:19 AM  

nekom: Nickster79: nekom: I'm surprised they didn't take him directly to PC.

Panama City?

Protective custody. Same thing as the hole, except instead of being bad to get there, you have to be hated. Known gang members and high profile inmates are often kept in solitary confinement so they don't get shanked in the general population.


Yeah, cause that will stop them from getting to him.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-06-25 12:24:40 AM  
And apparently I unchecked "HTML enabled" by mistake.
 
2012-06-25 12:26:47 AM  

Waldo Pepper: That's a good point. When someone drives through the window of a Wendy's, the store manager will let the hierarchy handle the arrangements to fix the building.

If the Wendy's manager realizes, however, that her employee is raping little boys in the men's room, she m ...

you assume he knew it was true. Assume for a moment that JoePa went to his bosses or the head of Hr and said "I think I should call the police" and they told him "No, Joe we will investigate this and if it is true we will make sure it is handled correctly." and they blow some smoke up his butt citing some legal liability crap. Joe says okay, see's Jerry still around and ask and is told "we found nothing"

Nobody ever comes back to Joe to say it is still going on, so he figures it was not true.

what would you expect him to do that point. defy his bosses based on hearsay. I would agree if JoePa saw it himself and PSU covered it up.


Another good point. If someone told me that he saw one of my subordinates raping children three minutes from where I work, I would call my manager and then forget about it completely. I would also forget the multiple times over the past decade that I had been told that same subordinate was raping children.
 
2012-06-25 12:27:16 AM  
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Don't say it's the end of the road
Remember the flowers I sent
I need you Babe
To put through the shredder
In front of my friends
Ooooh Babe
Don't leave me now
How could you go?
When you know how I need You
To beat to a pulp on a Saturday night
Ooooh Babe
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How can you treat me this way
Running away
Ooooh Babe
Why are you running away?
Ooooh Babe!
 
2012-06-25 12:29:01 AM  
menversus.com
 
2012-06-25 12:32:47 AM  

Waldo Pepper: you assume he knew it was true. Assume for a moment that JoePa went to his bosses or the head of Hr and said "I think I should call the police" and they told him "No, Joe we will investigate this and if it is true we will make sure it is handled correctly." and they blow some smoke up his butt citing some legal liability crap. Joe says okay, see's Jerry still around and ask and is told "we found nothing"

Nobody ever comes back to Joe to say it is still going on, so he figures it was not true.

what would you expect him to do that point. defy his bosses based on hearsay. I would agree if JoePa saw it himself and PSU covered it up.



Oh, and McQueary's account was NOT hearsay. He told Paterno that he saw Sandusky farking a boy in the butt. That's a direct account. Anyone who doesn't call the cops after hearing such a thing, particularly a man of such power and prestige, is evil.

//No, the guy who orders Post-its for the cops is not a cop.
 
2012-06-25 12:34:34 AM  
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2012-06-25 12:34:45 AM  

Waldo Pepper: is there proof Joe was told multiple times over the past decade? if so, then had I been Joe i would think he had a way of getting the word out to the cops. heck some of them might have played for him.

if there is no proof Joe was told multiple times over the past decade well then hard to say what he knew or didn't know.



Paterno knew about the previous investigations. As I pointed out, he also had eyewitness testimony from McQueary. He most certainly had a way to contact the cops. He could have picked up the phone and dialed 9-1-1.

He didn't.
 
2012-06-25 12:35:35 AM  
Hm, thumbed through a copy of the Sunday LA Times here on the west coast, and there was a huge Penn State Online Courses ad.

Timing, timing, timing.

Also, have to wonder if they're getting desperate for new cash avenues.
 
2012-06-25 12:36:40 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Shine on You Crazy Diamond?


Yes.
 
2012-06-25 12:39:18 AM  

gimmegimme: Oh, and McQueary's account was NOT hearsay. He told Paterno that he saw Sandusky farking a boy in the butt. That's a direct account. Anyone who doesn't call the cops after hearing such a thing, particularly a man of such power and prestige, is evil.


I tend to agree with you on the second point, but Paterno's knowledge was second-hand -- through McQuery. He did not experience it himself. Hence, hearsay:

"Hearsay is information gathered by one person [JoePa] from another person [McQuery] concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person [JoePa] had no direct experience." (wikipedia)
 
2012-06-25 12:41:15 AM  

GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.


As a souless atheist, i honestly cannot wait until he gets stabbed in the eyes with a spoon. Say hi to the big purple tickle monster, jerry.
 
2012-06-25 12:41:44 AM  

gimmegimme: Oh, and McQueary's account was NOT hearsay.


Oh, I see. Yes, McQueary's account wasn't hearsay, but JoePa telling the police would have been.

/Not that that should have stopped him
 
2012-06-25 12:42:09 AM  
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Takin' your gf
Out tonight
You better park the car
Well out of sight
'Cos if they catch you in the back seat
Trying to pick her locks
They're gonna send you back to mother
In a cardboard box
You better run


always thought these were pretty close to the cleverest song lyrics ever

/pick her locks (sigh)
 
2012-06-25 12:42:11 AM  

evaned: gimmegimme: Oh, and McQueary's account was NOT hearsay. He told Paterno that he saw Sandusky farking a boy in the butt. That's a direct account. Anyone who doesn't call the cops after hearing such a thing, particularly a man of such power and prestige, is evil.

I tend to agree with you on the second point, but Paterno's knowledge was second-hand -- through McQuery. He did not experience it himself. Hence, hearsay:

"Hearsay is information gathered by one person [JoePa] from another person [McQuery] concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person [JoePa] had no direct experience." (wikipedia)


Riiiiiiiight...that's why, if you hear someone tell you they just saw some adult farking a boy in the shower, you pick up the phone and dial 9-1-1 and tell the witness, "Jesus Christ. Tell them what you saw!"

Cardinal Paterno did nothing.
 
2012-06-25 12:42:32 AM  
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2012-06-25 12:44:05 AM  

doglover: OgreMagi: That same god that killed people for trivial transgressions and committed genocide a few times.

Hey. All those Jews Moses killed were totally not the same kind of Jews as their brothers and fathers... who killed them... for being traditional Jews... as opposed to Moses' new kind. . .

Yeah, the god of Abraham is like half Crom and half The Joker.


There's a reason you're one my favourites list.
 
2012-06-25 12:45:19 AM  

Waldo Pepper: the fault lies with McQueary and not Joe.


I don't disagree that McQueary holds the primary responsibility for not going to the police. But that said, JoePa also didn't -- and he definitely should have. (Assuming that McQueary gave as specific of a description as he says and not just some super-duper-watered-down thing.) Everyone in the chain is responsible, and it's not a zero-sum game either: JoePa, Curly, Schultz, Spanier not doing anything doesn't diminish McQueary's guilt. (At least not much.)
 
2012-06-25 12:45:21 AM  

Waldo Pepper: gimmegimme: Waldo Pepper: you assume he knew it was true. Assume for a moment that JoePa went to his bosses or the head of Hr and said "I think I should call the police" and they told him "No, Joe we will investigate this and if it is true we will make sure it is handled correctly." and they blow some smoke up his butt citing some legal liability crap. Joe says okay, see's Jerry still around and ask and is told "we found nothing"

Nobody ever comes back to Joe to say it is still going on, so he figures it was not true.

what would you expect him to do that point. defy his bosses based on hearsay. I would agree if JoePa saw it himself and PSU covered it up.


Oh, and McQueary's account was NOT hearsay. He told Paterno that he saw Sandusky farking a boy in the butt. That's a direct account. Anyone who doesn't call the cops after hearing such a thing, particularly a man of such power and prestige, is evil.

//No, the guy who orders Post-its for the cops is not a cop.

McQueary going to the cops is a direct account, if Joe goes to the cops with what McQueary said is that not hearsay?

the fault lies with McQueary and not Joe.

I'm not saying I personally think Joe made the right call (or no call) but I give some leeway to someone who has worked at the same place for 50 years and is well into his 70's or 80s at the time. I've worked for the same place for almost 20 year and we have had a few different owners, with different policies on how to handle major issues and even bosses have different ways then the policy to handle major issues.

might be he just reverted back to some old school policy in his head that said you go to "this person" for these types of issues.


McQueary's failure was in not immediately calling the cops when the rape was taking place. Paterno's failure was not calling the cops when McQueary left him with no doubt that child rape was taking place under the same roof.

Why are you making excuses for people who facilitated child rape?
 
2012-06-25 12:45:43 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Shine on You Crazy Diamond?



Anybody ever notice? (unrelated to sandusky)

Shine on You crazy Diamond.

every other letter spells out SYD
 
2012-06-25 12:49:34 AM  

gimmegimme: Riiiiiiiight...that's why, if you hear someone tell you they just saw some adult farking a boy in the shower, you pick up the phone and dial 9-1-1 and tell the witness, "Jesus Christ. Tell them what you saw!"


Read what I said. I specifically said I agreed with you. (Okay, there was a little bit of a weasel word in there, but I still should have been clear.) And then in a followup (which may not have been there when you posted) said he should have called anyway.

I was merely commenting on the use of the term hearsay -- JoePa's knowledge was hearsay.
 
2012-06-25 12:51:47 AM  

Waldo Pepper: gimmegimme: Waldo Pepper: is there proof Joe was told multiple times over the past decade? if so, then had I been Joe i would think he had a way of getting the word out to the cops. heck some of them might have played for him.

if there is no proof Joe was told multiple times over the past decade well then hard to say what he knew or didn't know.


Paterno knew about the previous investigations. As I pointed out, he also had eyewitness testimony from McQueary. He most certainly had a way to contact the cops. He could have picked up the phone and dialed 9-1-1.

He didn't.

told about previous investigations (that come up negative) is not proof that he knew Sandusky raped kids. spin it however you want but that is not the same as proof that Joe was told multiple times.

eyewitness testimony often times is found to be incorrect. Joe is neither a Judge, Cop or Lawyer.

I still say his age plays into this greatly.


If Paterno was old and feeble, why was he still a well-paid employee of a state university? (I love how you folks think that Paterno was simultaneously a steadfast and brilliant general and a blithering, drooling incompetent.)

Hmmm...so let me get this straight. You hear multiple times that your friend is raping children, but the investigation did not result in a conviction. You would give your friend the benefit of the doubt when another person you respect claims he saw your friend raping a boy in the shower?

I agree that Joe was not a cop. His job and his moral duty was to call the cops.
 
2012-06-25 12:52:44 AM  

GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.


Agreed. As much as I really despise some of the worst offenders, we're punishing them to time incarcerated, not assault, or rape or death. I have no problems if we want to change our justice system around to include torturing of terrible people, or assaulting or killing them, but lets at least be honest and upfront about it.
 
2012-06-25 12:53:29 AM  

GAT_00: And it's time once again for people who claim to be human to abandon their humanity for their version of "justice." Justice does not involve death, and it never has. Even God said so. Funny that Christians forget that.



I want this f*cker to suffer extreme pain, and I guarantee that those of us who feel that way have a billion times more humanity than he does.
 
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