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(ESPN)   After 25 years and 8 ball clubs, Jamie Moyer finally hangs up his glove, requests your removal from his lawn   (espn.go.com) divider line 50
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2012-06-24 03:57:54 PM
Sad, but expected.
His career lasted way longer than anyone had any right to expect, and he was an effective pitcher until close to the end.
 
2012-06-24 04:27:17 PM
Good night circle change-up man.
www.hardballtimes.com
 
2012-06-24 04:44:44 PM
It doesn't say that, just that the Orioles let him go. If someone else called him, he'd show up.
 
2012-06-24 05:07:33 PM

robsul82: It doesn't say that, just that the Orioles let him go. If someone else called him, he'd show up.


Don't be shocked if the Jays do just that.
 
2012-06-24 05:15:03 PM
Braves pick up the remains in 4,3,2.....

God I hope liberty media sells them soon, I can't take much more of this bargain basement price shiat.
 
2012-06-24 05:22:41 PM
Youkilis to the White Sox, per ESPN ScoreCenter app alert.
 
2012-06-24 05:28:15 PM
Uhhhhh, no, subby. The O's released him at his request because they wouldn't call him up. That suggests Moyer not only intends to keep pitching, but thinks he can get a big league job.

He could be wrong about this, of course. But we're not talking anything like retiring.

robsul82: Youkilis to the White Sox, per ESPN ScoreCenter app alert.


Weird trade, too. Two major league project players. Could work out for Boston, but not at all the return I was expecting.

Good trade for Chicago, though.
 
2012-06-24 05:33:09 PM
Nice career, Jamie. Time to hang 'em up and give some kid a shot on a roster, somewhere.
If you still love the game that much, I'm sure you could find your way back to the bigs as a pitching coach.

"I think he's had a remarkable career," Washington manager Davey Johnson said. "I thought he was 50, not 49. I felt like I played against him."

If beef jerky could be retarded, it would look like Davey Johnson.
 
2012-06-24 05:35:21 PM
The Colorado Rockies: A club that gave Jamie Moyer a shot, but couldn't call Sal Fasano up for a day.

Yes, I'm still bitter, fark the Rockies.
 
2012-06-24 05:35:36 PM
He can't be done. He hasn't fulfilled the prophecy yet
espn.go.com
 
2012-06-24 05:38:16 PM

MattyFridays: Sal Fasano


I don't get it.
 
2012-06-24 05:43:47 PM

steamingpile: Braves pick up the remains in 4,3,2.....

God I hope liberty media sells them soon, I can't take much more of this bargain basement price shiat.


Not after Chipper clowned him with his words AND his bat.
 
2012-06-24 05:46:00 PM
I don't think this is the end of his career, just another move. As long as teams still keep accepting almost nothing from their 5 starter Moyer will still have a good chance.

And I don't mean that as a knock on Moyer one bit because he can probably still out pitch the 5th starter on most teams in baseball.

Let him fish out the year in Seattle because it's not like they will make the playoffs anyway

Go Mariners!
 
2012-06-24 05:47:06 PM
Just heard a suggestion of Moyer replacing the injured Anthony Bass on the Padres. Don't know how reliable that report is, though.

But the Padres would be a good fit for him.
 
2012-06-24 05:47:32 PM
Id like to join 8-ball clubs
 
2012-06-24 06:04:04 PM
 
2012-06-24 06:13:00 PM
There goes my fantasy team.
 
2012-06-24 06:34:14 PM
Did Subby read the article? Moyer never said he's done. In fact, he asked the O's to release him not because he wanted to retire, but because he hopes to find a team that will let him pitch in the bigs.

/Read before you submit
 
2012-06-24 06:45:35 PM
I'll take him in Oakland. At least then I would have one pitcher whose name I actually recognize. They just showed the next three starters for the set against the Seattle Mariners and I said, "Who, who and who?"

/EABOD, Wolff, DIAF and any other insulting acronym that exists
 
2012-06-24 06:50:04 PM

zombiegoat: At least then I would have one pitcher whose name I actually recognize. They just showed the next three starters for the set against the Seattle Mariners and I said, "Who, who and who?"


Yes, it's far more important to have old pitchers with recognizable names who might die than good young guys who could anchor a team for years.
 
2012-06-24 06:54:43 PM

robsul82: It doesn't say that, just that the Orioles let him go. If someone else called him, he'd show up.


Subtard DRTFA.

Typical.
 
2012-06-24 07:04:32 PM

effexca: robsul82: It doesn't say that, just that the Orioles let him go. If someone else called him, he'd show up.

Don't be shocked if the Jays do just that.


That would be suicidal given that stadiums home run tendencies.

DeWayne Mann: Just heard a suggestion of Moyer replacing the injured Anthony Bass on the Padres. Don't know how reliable that report is, though.

But the Padres would be a good fit for him.


That's more reasonable.

zombiegoat: I'll take him in Oakland. At least then I would have one pitcher whose name I actually recognize. They just showed the next three starters for the set against the Seattle Mariners and I said, "Who, who and who?"

/EABOD, Wolff, DIAF and any other insulting acronym that exists


Or that.
 
2012-06-24 07:04:43 PM

DeWayne Mann: zombiegoat: At least then I would have one pitcher whose name I actually recognize. They just showed the next three starters for the set against the Seattle Mariners and I said, "Who, who and who?"

Yes, it's far more important to have old pitchers with recognizable names who might die than good young guys who could anchor a team for years.


Considering they're just going to get traded for promising minor leaguers when they start to come into their own as major league starters by our cheapshiat management? Yeah, pretty much. Welcome to modern Oakland A's baseball since 2006.

/horribly bitter, thanks for asking
 
2012-06-24 07:14:35 PM

robsul82: Youkilis to the White Sox, per ESPN ScoreCenter app alert.


Boston got Brent Lillibridge, probably becuase of this game (two great catches, starting at about the 1:30 mark)
 
2012-06-24 07:14:41 PM

zombiegoat: DeWayne Mann: zombiegoat: At least then I would have one pitcher whose name I actually recognize. They just showed the next three starters for the set against the Seattle Mariners and I said, "Who, who and who?"

Yes, it's far more important to have old pitchers with recognizable names who might die than good young guys who could anchor a team for years.

Considering they're just going to get traded for promising minor leaguers when they start to come into their own as major league starters by our cheapshiat management? Yeah, pretty much. Welcome to modern Oakland A's baseball since 2006.

/horribly bitter, thanks for asking


Not gonna disagree about them needing to spend more. Pretty much every team needs to, and we need a salary floor as well as a cap. But, given that they're not going to spend more, which makes more sense:

1. trying to assemble a team of good, young, cheap talent

2. just signing a bunch of guys that aren't very good but might get some fans interested

There's actually an interesting parallel here with the Rays. Back in the DEVIL Rays days, they tended to grab a lot of washed up vets (Boggs, McGriff, Canseco). Then they started to go with a bunch of younger guys (No SPs over the age of 30 for something like 6 years straight, for instance).

Which team would you rather have?
 
2012-06-24 07:16:04 PM

zombiegoat: DeWayne Mann: zombiegoat: At least then I would have one pitcher whose name I actually recognize. They just showed the next three starters for the set against the Seattle Mariners and I said, "Who, who and who?"

Yes, it's far more important to have old pitchers with recognizable names who might die than good young guys who could anchor a team for years.

Considering they're just going to get traded for promising minor leaguers when they start to come into their own as major league starters by our cheapshiat management? Yeah, pretty much. Welcome to modern Oakland A's baseball since 2006.

/horribly bitter, thanks for asking


*Brad Pitt driving along in golden sunlight set to Explosions in the Sky-ish music*
 
2012-06-24 07:16:49 PM

Rex_Banner: robsul82: Youkilis to the White Sox, per ESPN ScoreCenter app alert.

Boston got Brent Lillibridge, probably becuase of this game (two great catches, starting at about the 1:30 mark)


Oh, I remember, lol.
 
2012-06-24 07:20:36 PM
I'm hoping that Jamie catches on with another club and gets a chance to pitch next year when he's 50. He's such a good guy to have around, he deserves the right to call it quits on his terms.
 
2012-06-24 07:26:36 PM
It ain't over until it's over, Submittard. I don't think anyone believes he still can't contribute as a pitcher. He'll find a team to finish out the year at least, unless there are personal issues here that aren't being reported.
 
2012-06-24 07:28:18 PM

DeWayne Mann: zombiegoat: DeWayne Mann: zombiegoat: At least then I would have one pitcher whose name I actually recognize. They just showed the next three starters for the set against the Seattle Mariners and I said, "Who, who and who?"

Yes, it's far more important to have old pitchers with recognizable names who might die than good young guys who could anchor a team for years.

Considering they're just going to get traded for promising minor leaguers when they start to come into their own as major league starters by our cheapshiat management? Yeah, pretty much. Welcome to modern Oakland A's baseball since 2006.

/horribly bitter, thanks for asking

Not gonna disagree about them needing to spend more. Pretty much every team needs to, and we need a salary floor as well as a cap. But, given that they're not going to spend more, which makes more sense:

1. trying to assemble a team of good, young, cheap talent

2. just signing a bunch of guys that aren't very good but might get some fans interested

There's actually an interesting parallel here with the Rays. Back in the DEVIL Rays days, they tended to grab a lot of washed up vets (Boggs, McGriff, Canseco). Then they started to go with a bunch of younger guys (No SPs over the age of 30 for something like 6 years straight, for instance).

Which team would you rather have?


What Wolff is attempting to do is to get a glut of good, young talent in the minor leagues so that when the A's move into their sparkling new facility and leave the Coliseum behind, they will immediately have a young, hot team that can contend. Which is a nice idea, but since this boondoggle has been dragging on for over half a decade and in the meantime any good, young talent that might be a cornerstone for that team that the A's have gets traded away (Dan Haren, Nick Swisher, Trevor Cahill, Huston Street and Carlos Gonzales immediately leap to mind) for more minor-league talent, the team on the field is simply not a competitive major league club. At all.

The bottom line is that it's super-shiatty to be sitting there for years watching good, reasonably-priced players come and go through the organization in the name of a future that is very likely never going to happen. The Giants aren't budging off their horrible territorial rights argument, Bud Selig seems completely inclined to make a ruling either way as everybody presses their thumbs more firmly into their asses, and Wolff is not going to change the MO he's currently operating under even as the game day photos of the actual Coliseum attendance become an embarrassment across the league. Day games look like those terrible Florida Marlin home games you'd see photos of on Deadspin where you'd see two bored as hell people sitting in the back row of an otherwise empty seating section.

I've been an A's fan for over 30 years, and I'm completely disgusted with how this team is being run. I can stand a bad team; those things come and go in cycles. You can lose 100 games and seven years later, win 95. Lack of hope is the real killer, because that leads to apathy. Is this how Pittsburgh Pirates fans have felt for the last 17 years? Because if so, I'll never make a joke about your team again. You have my sympathies.
 
2012-06-24 07:30:39 PM

Balchinian: It ain't over until it's over, Submittard. I don't think anyone believes he still can't contribute as a pitcher. He'll find a team to finish out the year at least, unless there are personal issues here that aren't being reported.


Breaking - Jamie Moyer suspended 50 games after excessive amounts of Bengay was found in his blood sample.
 
2012-06-24 07:31:48 PM
Now that Moyer's been released, who's now the oldest player in MLB?
 
2012-06-24 07:40:10 PM

SilentStrider: Sad, but expected.
His career lasted way longer than anyone had any right to expect, and he was an effective pitcher until close to the end.


He had at least one good game this year, and they said his minor league starts were pretty good.

Throwing ridiculously slowly can confuse major leaguers, too .. they aren't practiced for that shiz.
 
2012-06-24 07:47:08 PM

zombiegoat: (Dan Haren, Nick Swisher, Trevor Cahill, Huston Street and Carlos Gonzales immediately leap to mind)


Here's what I love: how did they get the guys you just named?

Swisher was drafted with a compensation pick they got for not resigning Damon
Street was drafted with a compensation pick they got for not resigning Tejada.
Haren was from trading away Mulder
Gonzalez was from trading away Haren...wait, what?
Out of the 5 guys you named, Cahill is the only one they drafted with their own pick! You can't have it both ways, man.

More importantly, you're sort of ignoring the "cheap" part of what's going on.

Before he was traded, Cahill was making $400K. After the trade, he went up to 3.5mil (and who knows for the future)
Haren was making 2.25. That went up to 4.05, then 7.5, then 8.25...
Street had a small "next year" change: went from 3.3 to 4.5. But then he went up to 7.2, 7.3...
Swish went from 400K to 3.6 to 5.4 to 6.8...
CarGo is the lone exception: he still had a few years before arb, so continued to make ~400K for a few years.

But of course, that raises the question of why they traded CarGo away in the first place...and that's when we realize that they traded for a pretty good "name" player that they probably didn't need. You know, the sort of thing you're arguing for.

Again, they should spend more money. But apparently, if they're not gonna do that, there's absolutely nothing they can do that would make you happy.
 
2012-06-24 07:48:02 PM

NDP2: Now that Moyer's been released, who's now the oldest player in MLB?


Omar Vizquel
 
2012-06-24 08:47:37 PM

NDP2: Now that Moyer's been released, who's now the oldest player in MLB?


Albert Pujols.
 
2012-06-24 09:39:47 PM

rag819: Did Subby read the article? Moyer never said he's done. In fact, he asked the O's to release him not because he wanted to retire, but because he hopes to find a team that will let him pitch in the bigs.

/Read before you submit


I did read the article. And since it said the O's released him at his request with no other teams trying to sign him, yes, I took that as he was done. Add that on top of the last sentence & I figured he was done.
 
2012-06-24 09:45:04 PM

DeWayne Mann: Uhhhhh, no, subby. The O's released him at his request because they wouldn't call him up. That suggests Moyer not only intends to keep pitching, but thinks he can get a big league job.

He could be wrong about this, of course. But we're not talking anything like retiring.

robsul82: Youkilis to the White Sox, per ESPN ScoreCenter app alert.

Weird trade, too. Two major league project players. Could work out for Boston, but not at all the return I was expecting.

Good trade for Chicago, though.


As a White Sox fan....I'm really leary. Stewart has been mediocre, Liilibridge has never quite worked out, but Youk....I'm just not sure what we're getting here.
 
2012-06-24 09:45:55 PM

Di Atribe: And since it said the O's released him at his request with no other teams trying to sign him, yes


It's illegal for teams to talk to him, let alone sign him, before he's released. If the article said "He was released at his request because the Padres offered him a major league deal," the Padres would be fined/lose a draft pick/whatever.

Here are some other players who were released this season without any other teams trying to sign them:

Orlando Hudson (signed with the White Sox)
Brandon Inge (signed with the Athletics)
Ross Ohlendorf (signed with the Padres)
Jamie Moyer (signed with the Orioles)
 
2012-06-24 09:53:37 PM

JosephFinn: As a White Sox fan....I'm really leary. Stewart has been mediocre, Liilibridge has never quite worked out, but Youk....I'm just not sure what we're getting here.


You should be very, very happy. I'm a BoSox fan, so I've been watching Youk for years. His numbers are down this year for two reasons, essentially:

Health
Bad luck

Obviously, the Health should be somewhat of a concern...but that's also why you got a great player for 2mil & 2 nothing players. But there's no real reason the luck should continue. He'shiatting line drives are roughly his career rate (20.2% in 2012, 21.2% career), and he'shiatting them at a higher rate than 2010 or 2011. Yet his BABIP is almost .50 points lower than career. This could be related to him hitting more GB than usual...but you'd generally expect that to result in fewer HRs, not fewer hits overall.

Besides, even if his luck never gets better...still better than Hudson.
 
2012-06-24 09:53:58 PM

DeWayne Mann: It's illegal for teams to talk to him, let alone sign him, before he's released. If the article said "He was released at his request because the Padres offered him a major league deal," the Padres would be fined/lose a draft pick/whatever.


Oh OK. Thank you for clearing that up for me by presenting facts & clarification instead of calling me a retard. That was pretty cool of you.
 
2012-06-24 09:57:47 PM

Di Atribe: DeWayne Mann: It's illegal for teams to talk to him, let alone sign him, before he's released. If the article said "He was released at his request because the Padres offered him a major league deal," the Padres would be fined/lose a draft pick/whatever.

Oh OK. Thank you for clearing that up for me by presenting facts & clarification instead of calling me a retard. That was pretty cool of you.


I'm calling everyone a retard in the Jim Thome thread.

Actually, the Ohlendorf situation was pretty similar. He was putting up decent numbers for the Red Sox in AAA, but there was no way they could call him up. So he asked for his release, then signed a major league deal with the Padres 2 days later.
 
2012-06-24 10:05:17 PM
One wrinkle that I didn't know until now: Moyer doesn't have an agent. While it was illegal for teams to talk to him, if he had an agent, they could SORT OF talk to that agent, letting Moyer know if there might be interest elsewhere. I assumed that was the case.

Instead, it looks like Moyer is just hoping there's interest somewhere. Or someone broke the rules. We'll see.
 
2012-06-24 10:30:21 PM

robsul82: It doesn't say that, just that the Orioles let him go. If someone else called him, he'd show up.


The Mariners ought to sign him and bring him in for one more go. He was lights out great here a decade ago, and he can't be any worse than what we have now. Retire in an M's uniform.

I was really pulling for him to be the first effective 50 year old pitcher, and to make it to 300 wins.

As long as Moyer was in the league I didn't need to feel old.
 
2012-06-24 11:39:50 PM

DeWayne Mann: JosephFinn: As a White Sox fan....I'm really leary. Stewart has been mediocre, Liilibridge has never quite worked out, but Youk....I'm just not sure what we're getting here.

You should be very, very happy. I'm a BoSox fan, so I've been watching Youk for years. His numbers are down this year for two reasons, essentially:

Health
Bad luck

Obviously, the Health should be somewhat of a concern...but that's also why you got a great player for 2mil & 2 nothing players. But there's no real reason the luck should continue. He'shiatting line drives are roughly his career rate (20.2% in 2012, 21.2% career), and he'shiatting them at a higher rate than 2010 or 2011. Yet his BABIP is almost .50 points lower than career. This could be related to him hitting more GB than usual...but you'd generally expect that to result in fewer HRs, not fewer hits overall.

Besides, even if his luck never gets better...still better than Hudson.


Thanks, that all makes a certain amount of sense. So why do I feel we're getting him on the downslope of his career?
 
2012-06-24 11:48:02 PM

Generation_D: robsul82: It doesn't say that, just that the Orioles let him go. If someone else called him, he'd show up.

The Mariners ought to sign him and bring him in for one more go. He was lights out great here a decade ago, and he can't be any worse than what we have now. Retire in an M's uniform.

I was really pulling for him to be the first effective 50 year old pitcher, and to make it to 300 wins.

As long as Moyer was in the league I didn't need to feel old.


Add in the fact that Hultzen, Walker, and Paxton don't look to be ready for the big leagues this season, and the fact that Kevin Millwood is done being effective as a major league pitcher (no-hitter be damned), and yeah, I don't see any problem with the Mariners giving Jamie one more shot.
 
2012-06-24 11:48:28 PM

JosephFinn: So why do I feel we're getting him on the downslope of his career?


Well, you are. Dude's 33. But his arguably best hitting season was 2010, yet his batting profile in 2012 isn't all that different from then. Few more GB, few more LD, so probably a few less HRs and maybe a few more singles/doubles. His discipline is arguably a little better this year as well, even though he's walking less.

The real question the White Sox need to be thinking about if if they'll pick up the option. Youk could easily be worth $12m next year...or he could get hurt again and miss the whole year.
 
2012-06-25 12:36:01 AM

Mr Talbot: MattyFridays: Sal Fasano

I don't get it.


Sal Fasano was a journeyman catcher who was known more as a good clubhouse guy. A few years ago, his youngest son was diagnosed with a major, major heart defect that needed surgery. He signed a contract with the Rockies with the possibility of getting called up to the big club. If he was on a major league roster for one day, his medical insurance was covered for the entire year under the Major League policy, instead of the Minor Leagues policy.

Rockies never called him up.

I guess all's well that end's well - kid got his surgery that he needed, and Sal is now a manager in Double A. His first year as a Manager in AA, he won Manager of the Year.

My hope is that one day he ends up as Rockies GM as the replacement of the asshole who didn't call him up for just one farking day when the rosters went to 40 men.
 
Slu
2012-06-25 11:09:55 PM
I just had to add that Jamie Moyer recently bought me three beers at a bar. Good guy.
 
2012-06-26 12:25:16 AM
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