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(LA Times)   How low-budget movie studios "draft" major studios, by quickly producing cheap ripoffs of hit movies that look so similar, consumers rent the wrong DVD   (latimes.com) divider line 205
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2012-06-24 08:29:00 PM
Sounds like old news to me. Didn't Roger Corman pretty much make a career out of this?
 
2012-06-24 08:29:51 PM

calbert: titwrench: I got tricked by a movie at Blockbuster called THE Sling Blade. But the "the" in the title was purposely tiny. I threw in in the DVD player and had my WTF moment. I took it back and Blockbuster wouldn't refund my money or allow me to pick a different movie. Their argument was that the movie was only out a couple of months prior and I shouldn't have expected it to be on DVD already. I never went back.

I don't see what they did wrong here? was the movie scratched? did it not play properly? Did the cover box say 'starring Billy Bob Thornton'?

the problem wasn't with Blockbuster or with that movie. it was with you. pay more attention to what's going on around you in this world and you'll avoid embarrassing situations where your ignorance is exposed.


THIS. Some of you are farking retarded if you don't even know enough to read the title of the video you are renting.
 
2012-06-24 08:41:22 PM

Sgt Otter: Smackledorfer: A coworker told me the knock off of the goonies, 'monster Hunters' I think, is awesome.

Any farkers know if I should check it out?

He might have meant "Monster Squad," which was campy fun.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 280x431]

I wouldn't really call it a Goonies knock-off, though.


But in many ways, I thought Monster Squad was better than The Goonies. It was campy and goofy, but told a much more concise and amusing story. Goonies was kind of all over the place.
 
2012-06-24 08:42:59 PM

The_Sponge: fozziewazzi: The_Sponge: Thus leading to a lot of kids crying and yelling at their mom or dad on a Friday or Saturday night.

They're crying because they've realized they may have inherited genes from the shallow side of the pool.


Heh.

My Dad never made those kinds of mistakes when it came to movies, but he would occasionally rent something that he thought we would like, while we had no interest in said movie.

CSB:

His best rental was "Predator" back when I was 12 and my brother was 10.....my parents were going to a dinner party that night, and that movie was our babysitter....along with a pizza and 2 liter bottle of soda.


I got one for ya: My sister-in-law's mom (who has a bunch of young foster kids) once rented the movie Hostel for the family to watch, because (and I wish I were kidding) A) She thought it was a drama about people living in European hostels; and B) The movie was not rated, so it's not like it's rated R or even PG-13.

Woman is that dumb, yet still thinks she should be able to home school the kids.

As for these movies, I don't see myself ever falling for them, but I know my Dad will. He doesn't pay enough attention to tell the difference.

Also, what does this say about the effectiveness of advertising if your consumer base can't tell the difference between the real thing and a knock off?
 
2012-06-24 08:47:23 PM
Gig103: I saw this, and the Dreamworks Puss In Boots, at Redbox at the same time. It's disgusting if you ask me.

Aww, but look at him in his wee lil' boots. How many cats can wear boots? Honestly.
 
2012-06-24 08:48:13 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: BumpInTheNight:

That's a quality troll tight there, I don't care who you are...

9/10, had to knock off a point for no Gears of War.


Yeah, I would have fallen for it too if I didn't check this old thread first just to be sure. Had it been someone else I would've bit hard.
 
2012-06-24 08:49:08 PM
Reading about the plight of people too lazy to read amuses me.

FTFA: "made by 30 people in 13 months for less than $400,000"

So if all that money went purely to salaries, they'd be making less than $30k a year, barely above sandwich artist money. But as we all know, there are many other expenses in making a movie. With that type of budget, how can it not be crap?
 
2012-06-24 08:53:32 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Sounds like old news to me. Didn't Roger Corman pretty much make a career out of this?


Corman made low-budget movies and pinched pennies til they screamed for mercy but I don't think he ever set out to fool anyone into thinking they were going to see a different movie. That is, I doubt anyone saw Battle Beyond the Stars thinking they were going to see Star Wars. Something like Star Wars maybe, but that's not what we're discussing here.
 
2012-06-24 08:55:19 PM
I don't care that companies do this, but it's annoying that Red Box puts them in the machines rather than stock a greater variety of main stream / critically acclaimed movies.
 
2012-06-24 08:59:20 PM

fusillade762: One Bad Apple: [newsmanone.files.wordpress.com image 580x745]

[img.movie-list.com image 506x755]

This hardly something that ONLY low budget studios do

An even better example:

[sharetv.org image 230x360]

[www.iceposter.com image 281x400]

[www.movieposter.com image 500x746]


Those aren't what I was going for. "The Abyss" was the big budget big studio while "Deep Star Six" and "Leviathan" * were small budget ripoffs. The ripoff seems even worse when it's done by 2 big budget studios.

www.11points.com

www.11points.com


*The "Leviathan" plot was actually closer to ripping off John Carpenter's "The Thing".
 
2012-06-24 09:00:00 PM

rustypouch: Reading about the plight of people too lazy to read amuses me.

FTFA: "made by 30 people in 13 months for less than $400,000"

So if all that money went purely to salaries, they'd be making less than $30k a year, barely above sandwich artist money. But as we all know, there are many other expenses in making a movie. With that type of budget, how can it not be crap?


400,000 / 30 /13 * 12 = $12,307.69 per year.

I guess they're working on more than one movie in a year. Maybe if you help make 6 movies, you can afford rent in LA.
 
2012-06-24 09:01:05 PM

rustypouch: Reading about the plight of people too lazy to read amuses me.

FTFA: "made by 30 people in 13 months for less than $400,000"

So if all that money went purely to salaries, they'd be making less than $30k a year, barely above sandwich artist money. But as we all know, there are many other expenses in making a movie. With that type of budget, how can it not be crap?


Not everyone works on a production for the entire length of the production. For example, the voice actors probably only worked a couple of days for a few grand. Same with the sound crew. After a few weeks, their job was done.

The only people a production like this needs long term are the animators and editors.
 
2012-06-24 09:03:08 PM
I got a multi pack of The Asylum films for Christmas and had fun inviting friends over to riff on them.

"Hey! Is he smoking mushrooms? I thought you had to eat them."

"Young man, I hope you brought enough to share with the rest of us."

"No fair. If he can get high to enjoy this movie, the rest of us should be able to also."
 
2012-06-24 09:03:32 PM
GungFu
www.sci-fimovieposters.co.uk

and Drilling Miss Daisy.


Should you understand German:
There's a funny little clip on youtube because some students found out that the German-dubbed version of "Flesh Gordon" shares a couple of voices with Disney's "Gummi Bears" cartoon (namely: Duke Igthorn and Princess Calla).
So they creatively edited some snippets from a Gummi Bears episode and replaced some of the Gummi Bears dialog with dialog from Fresh Gordon...

/the clip is called "Igzorns Ding" if someone wants to look it up
 
2012-06-24 09:05:31 PM

One Bad Apple: Those aren't what I was going for. "The Abyss" was the big budget big studio while "Deep Star Six" and "Leviathan" * were small budget ripoffs.


Deep Star Six was released in the U.S. on January 13, 1989

Leviathan was released in the U.S. on March 17, 1989

The Abyss was released in the U.S. on August 9, 1989

Just sayin'
 
2012-06-24 09:10:57 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-06-24 09:14:35 PM

One Bad Apple:
www.11points.com


I enjoyed Red Planet a LOT more than Mission to Mars.

And I don't think those really compare to the Battle LA or Almighty Thor situations.
 
2012-06-24 09:20:11 PM

Pandora's Litterbox: One Bad Apple: Those aren't what I was going for. "The Abyss" was the big budget big studio while "Deep Star Six" and "Leviathan" * were small budget ripoffs.

Deep Star Six was released in the U.S. on January 13, 1989

Leviathan was released in the U.S. on March 17, 1989

The Abyss was released in the U.S. on August 9, 1989

Just sayin'


It's probably not too difficult to rip off a James Cameron script and get your movie to the box office before he does.

Guy works very slow.
 
2012-06-24 09:27:47 PM

stoli n coke: Pandora's Litterbox: One Bad Apple: Those aren't what I was going for. "The Abyss" was the big budget big studio while "Deep Star Six" and "Leviathan" * were small budget ripoffs.

Deep Star Six was released in the U.S. on January 13, 1989

Leviathan was released in the U.S. on March 17, 1989

The Abyss was released in the U.S. on August 9, 1989

Just sayin'

It's probably not too difficult to rip off a James Cameron script and get your movie to the box office before he does.

Guy works very slow.




Well I was going to also bring up the fact that the two were both financed and released in-house by major studios (Leviathan through MGM-UA and Deep Star Six through Columbia-Tri-Star).

But I didn't want to be THAT much of a pedant.
 
2012-06-24 09:33:29 PM

Pandora's Litterbox: stoli n coke: Pandora's Litterbox: One Bad Apple: Those aren't what I was going for. "The Abyss" was the big budget big studio while "Deep Star Six" and "Leviathan" * were small budget ripoffs.

Deep Star Six was released in the U.S. on January 13, 1989

Leviathan was released in the U.S. on March 17, 1989

The Abyss was released in the U.S. on August 9, 1989

Just sayin'

It's probably not too difficult to rip off a James Cameron script and get your movie to the box office before he does.

Guy works very slow.



Well I was going to also bring up the fact that the two were both financed and released in-house by major studios (Leviathan through MGM-UA and Deep Star Six through Columbia-Tri-Star).

But I didn't want to be THAT much of a pedant.


The fact that they were major studios also means it's more likely they had read Cameron's script and would try to head off their competitor at the pass. The script had been done for years before Fox greenlit production.

Also, remember, Deep Star Six was made by Sean Cunningham of Friday the 13th fame. A guy who knew how to stretch a dollar and turn a movie out in a hurry.
 
2012-06-24 09:36:01 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: And I don't think those really compare to the Battle LA or Almighty Thor situations.


Yeah, sometimes studios just race to get the same concept out, no one's necessarily ripping off anyone else. Tombstone and Wyatt Earp is another example. And there were two Snow White movies within a 4 month period for some reason.
 
2012-06-24 09:46:11 PM

Mugato: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: And I don't think those really compare to the Battle LA or Almighty Thor situations.

Yeah, sometimes studios just race to get the same concept out, no one's necessarily ripping off anyone else. Tombstone and Wyatt Earp is another example. And there were two Snow White movies within a 4 month period for some reason.


I want to make a low budget western called "Wyatt Derp".
 
2012-06-24 09:48:04 PM

FuturePastNow: Battle of Los Angeles, released at the same time as Battle Los Angeles. I'm OK with it because A) the movie it ripped off was also a stinker and B) Nia Peeples is damn hot.


I enjoyed Battle of a lot more than Battle. The latter at least knew it was a stinking turd and ran with it.
 
2012-06-24 09:49:32 PM

fozziewazzi: GungFu: [www.sci-fimovieposters.co.uk image 640x484]

and Drilling Miss Daisy.

[www.bookstrand.com image 200x300]


Edward Penishands (I recently discovered a couple I'm friends with own that one)
 
2012-06-24 09:55:05 PM
some of the people in this thread are too uptight. So you accidentally rented schlock. enjoy it for what it is. Hell I get excited when I see an asylum flick on netflix... I mean come on. its 8 bucks a month. Its perfect for crappy movies.

/love good movies AND crap ones.
 
2012-06-24 09:59:13 PM

fusillade762: fozziewazzi: GungFu: [www.sci-fimovieposters.co.uk image 640x484]

and Drilling Miss Daisy.

[www.bookstrand.com image 200x300]

Edward Penishands (I recently discovered a couple I'm friends with own that one)


My favorite title of the genre:

MildlyNSFWLINK
 
2012-06-24 10:00:34 PM

Sgt Otter: Smackledorfer: A coworker told me the knock off of the goonies, 'monster Hunters' I think, is awesome.

Any farkers know if I should check it out?

He might have meant "Monster Squad," which was campy fun.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 280x431]

I wouldn't really call it a Goonies knock-off, though.


I've heard someone call it an unofficial sequel to The Goonies.

Other than having a rag tag group of adolescents featuring a fat kid I don't see it as a knock off. It's more of a fantasy with public domain movie monsters.
 
2012-06-24 10:04:56 PM

stoli n coke: My folks never had a problem with letting us watch violent movies when we were kids, as long as there was no nudity.

I still remember seeing Predator, Robocop, Rambo, and Die Hard before I was 10.


Both of those had nudity.

Funny enough, both had the same skit: A sleazy corporate executive doing coke and farking with a blonde intern in one of the offices.

RoboCop featured more nudity in the cops locker room (Verhoeven likes his unisex bathrooms/locker rooms), some blonde with massive tits in the disco Robo go to gets Leon Nash.

Die Hard also had nudity in the form of a Playboy centerfold featuring a hot blonde McClane comes across while inside the service area of the Nakatomi Building. Who, by the way, is the same girl with white leggings that jumps at the guy at the airport.
 
2012-06-24 10:09:15 PM

ozebb: My wife picked up Abraham Lincoln Versus Zombies from the rental box the other day after we talked about Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer and I must say it was wonderfully bad in all the right ways. Of course, we're the sort that appreciate terrible movies so... yeah, we're okay with this.


Sleeping zombies were an interesting treat.
 
2012-06-24 10:14:52 PM

BumpInTheNight: [vgbuzz.com image 450x317]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x364]


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-06-24 10:15:10 PM

One Bad Apple: RoyFokker'sGhost: BumpInTheNight:

That's a quality troll tight there, I don't care who you are...

9/10, had to knock off a point for no Gears of War.

Yeah, I would have fallen for it too if I didn't check this old thread first just to be sure. Had it been someone else I would've bit hard.


Yeah, I've been guilty of biting on those, too. Sometimes just for the Hell of it.

But the clever part about BumpInTheNight's post is that he doesn't state which came first and which was the rip-off; he lets you troll yourself.
 
2012-06-24 10:49:27 PM
It appears Greg Brady and Danny Partridge are in syfy's Bigfoot next Saturday.
 
2012-06-24 10:59:33 PM

BumpInTheNight: [vgbuzz.com image 450x317]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x364]


Wow, dude, you almost had me. I felt my face twitch a bit as I saw your post.

10/10
 
2012-06-24 11:22:57 PM
Whoa, now. WAY too many people here talking about Mac and Me who haven't seen it. This is entirely unacceptable. I implore you to at least familiarize yourselves with two of the most important scenes in the film. Be warned, however - once you see these scenes, you will be compelled to view the rest of the film as quickly as possible (it was on Netflix Streaming two months ago when I watched it. I'd imagine it's probably still available).

First off, the pivotal McDonald's musical number. Yes, that's a young Nikki Cox in the first bit around the boombox.

See?!? Cinematic brilliance, and absolutely not one of the most misguided attempts at product placement ever.

Now comes a really special scene. When Paul Rudd appears on talk shows, he occasionally uses this clip instead of whatever it is he's supposed to be promoting. Here's the awesome wheelchair stunt.
 
2012-06-24 11:35:07 PM
A helpful guide

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2012-06-24 11:50:42 PM

AKTurkey: A helpful guide

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Very funny, but you got that very wrong.

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Terminators was a mockbuster of Terminator Salvation, not Terminator.
 
2012-06-25 12:39:07 AM
I just read a similar article on Dru Kurtis' www.FIRK.com
 
2012-06-25 12:57:14 AM
No E.T./Pod People?
 
2012-06-25 01:49:38 AM
i486.photobucket.com
Link
I'm sure most Farkers have seen this clip, but if you haven't, it truly has to be seen to be believed (and appreciated.)

/Watch the entire clip.
 
2012-06-25 02:16:53 AM
Anyone who knows who Vídeo Brinquedo is will certainly recognize what these stinkers are ripoffs of:

images.pricerunner.com

upload.wikimedia.org

4.bp.blogspot.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-25 03:00:57 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Anyone who knows who Vídeo Brinquedo is will certainly recognize what these stinkers are ripoffs of:

[images.pricerunner.com image 352x500]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x311]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 352x500]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 325x463]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 300x480]

[25.media.tumblr.com image 450x649]



I have never worked in the entertainment industry, but holy shiat I want to beat everyone who is responsible for churning out "mockbusters".
 
2012-06-25 04:16:09 AM

Mulchpuppy: Now comes a really special scene. When Paul Rudd appears on talk shows, he occasionally uses this clip instead of whatever it is he's supposed to be promoting. Here's the awesome wheelchair stunt.


I think that's just Conan. But it's still funny shiat.
 
2012-06-25 04:18:42 AM

RoyFokker'sGhost: One Bad Apple: RoyFokker'sGhost: BumpInTheNight:

That's a quality troll tight there, I don't care who you are...

9/10, had to knock off a point for no Gears of War.

Yeah, I would have fallen for it too if I didn't check this old thread first just to be sure. Had it been someone else I would've bit hard.

Yeah, I've been guilty of biting on those, too. Sometimes just for the Hell of it.

But the clever part about BumpInTheNight's post is that he doesn't state which came first and which was the rip-off; he lets you troll yourself.


Yup, it's genius. Sadly everyone saw through it. I think there was a Warcraft/Warhammer troll headline a while back that everybody still remembers.
 
2012-06-25 05:46:06 AM

ZeroCorpse: Obviously, consumers are getting pissed off over this trend, and studios like The Asylum admit what they're doing... So why does Redbox, Netflix, and other services even stock these items? Why not fix the problem at the retail level?

Honestly, I can't see how having Transmorphers and the cheap knock-off Puss in Boots is good for Netflix, Redbox, or anyone else in the rental business. It just leads to cranky customers who feel cheated, and it takes up valuable space in the box/queue that could be used for other, better movies.

Instead of stocking crap like this, Redbox would get more of my money by stocking decent older films.

Nobody likes The Asylum, or any of the other knock-off companies. Retailers have a choice in what they stock, and so if you see a knock-off in their selection, it's the retailer's fault it's there. Their buyers could cut off those sources. The companies could choose to stop doing business with these charlatans... But they don't.

It's getting to the point where I'm thinking of canceling Netflix because I'm sick of scrolling past dozens of these schlocky flicks just to find anything decent. I don't mind indie flicks, foreign flicks, low-budget flicks, etc... I just can't stand all the obvious knock-offs and cash-ins. They aren't made to entertain; They're made solely to confuse. Quality does not matter to them.

So STOP IT, Redbox and Netflix! STOP IT, Blockbuster and Amazon VOD! STOP IT, VUDU and Crackle! Stop buying from these studios. People will soon get sick of this crap, and you will be the ones to suffer for it.


I completely agree with you, so surely each part of the chain is making enough money to keep doing it.

Just like video games, it's "poisoning the well" as you've said, turning your product toxic and chasing the consumer away. The really funny thing to me is that it keeps happening because everyone involved doesn't see the threat; I can't see the majority of people giving up films, but I can see a heap of them asking "So what's this torrenting thing I keep hearing about".
 
2012-06-25 06:02:18 AM
And some parents buy said knockoffs for their kids as a cheaper alternative to seeing the real thing in the theater or buying the DVD thinking "they won't know the difference." Yes, they do. Kids aren't as stupid as some people think they are.
 
2012-06-25 06:02:20 AM

stoli n coke: Pandora's Litterbox: stoli n coke: Pandora's Litterbox: One Bad Apple: Those aren't what I was going for. "The Abyss" was the big budget big studio while "Deep Star Six" and "Leviathan" * were small budget ripoffs.

Deep Star Six was released in the U.S. on January 13, 1989

Leviathan was released in the U.S. on March 17, 1989

The Abyss was released in the U.S. on August 9, 1989

Just sayin'

It's probably not too difficult to rip off a James Cameron script and get your movie to the box office before he does.

Guy works very slow.



Well I was going to also bring up the fact that the two were both financed and released in-house by major studios (Leviathan through MGM-UA and Deep Star Six through Columbia-Tri-Star).

But I didn't want to be THAT much of a pedant.

The fact that they were major studios also means it's more likely they had read Cameron's script and would try to head off their competitor at the pass. The script had been done for years before Fox greenlit production.

Also, remember, Deep Star Six was made by Sean Cunningham of Friday the 13th fame. A guy who knew how to stretch a dollar and turn a movie out in a hurry.


THE ABYSS was also, famously, over 2 years in production, which gave the
knock-off artists a lot of time to get their stuff out.

And its not just genre films that 'inspire' similar productions. SWITCHING
CHANNELS was greenlit around the time that BROADCAST NEWS was
drawing critical praise (though, frankly, I thought it sucked), primariliy because
some beancounter looked up from snorting coke off the pert rear end of a
stripper and noticed that "newsroom comedies SELL!".
 
2012-06-25 07:02:16 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: And some parents buy said knockoffs for their kids as a cheaper alternative to seeing the real thing in the theater or buying the DVD thinking "they won't know the difference." Yes, they do. Kids aren't as stupid as some people think they are.


Yes they are. More, even.

Last kid I talked to couldn't even explain the principles behind solving partial differential equations.
 
2012-06-25 07:02:21 AM

kronicfeld: TRANSMORPHERS.

That is all.


GF bought me Transmorphers for my birthday accidentally. Got through 15 minutes before I realized something was seriously wrong. It was too goofy, too bad in a good way. Never said anything. Saw Transformers later and it wasn't THAT much better.
 
2012-06-25 07:21:43 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: And some parents buy said knockoffs for their kids as a cheaper alternative to seeing the real thing in the theater or buying the DVD thinking "they won't know the difference." Yes, they do. Kids aren't as stupid as some people think they are.


But they are kids so they won't care. It's only ever adults that rage on the quality of entertainment for children.
 
2012-06-25 07:25:02 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: And some parents buy said knockoffs for their kids as a cheaper alternative to seeing the real thing in the theater or buying the DVD thinking "they won't know the difference." Yes, they do. Kids aren't as stupid as some people think they are.


Kids know dick. I watch them in my arcades. They stand like laboratory rats hitting the feeder bar to get food pellets. As long as they pump in quarters, who gives a shiat, right?
 
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