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2012-06-24 04:33:29 PM
I'm starting to listen to old King books on audio during my bike ride to work, starting with The Shining. I havent read his early books since I was a kid so I think it should be fun to pick up a lot of the connections that didn't exist when I read them the first time.

If that chart included Dark Tower stuff it would have been about 19 times more complex.
 
2012-06-24 04:51:51 PM
So The Stand has been folded into The Dark Tower?
 
2012-06-24 04:51:55 PM
Morgan Freeman's eyebrows from Dreamcatcher require their own separate flowchart.
 
2012-06-24 04:52:57 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Morgan Freeman's eyebrows from Dreamcatcher require their own separate flowchart.


My god what a shiatstain of a movie that was. Saw it in theater, but at least I didn't pay for it
 
2012-06-24 04:58:42 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: My god what a shiatstain of a movie that was. Saw it in theater, but at least I didn't pay for it


Cripes on a crepe, you ain't kiddin'.

I rented that on DVD. If I wasn't laughing, I was mesmerized by the sheer awfulness of it all.

And to think that the guy who wrote Empire AND Raiders was behind it. YIKES.
 
2012-06-24 06:46:13 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Morgan Freeman's eyebrows from Dreamcatcher require their own separate flowchart.

My god what a shiatstain of a movie that was. Saw it in theater, but at least I didn't pay for it


I dodged a similar bullet when a cute girl I knew got me free passes to Speed 2: Cruise Control. She actually apologized to me after the movie.
 
2012-06-24 06:48:05 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: My god what a shiatstain of a movie that was. Saw it in theater, but at least I didn't pay for it

Cripes on a crepe, you ain't kiddin'.

I rented that on DVD. If I wasn't laughing, I was mesmerized by the sheer awfulness of it all.

And to think that the guy who wrote Empire AND Raiders was behind it. YIKES.


I don't understand how anyone could take the regard alien strength saves the day ending seriously.
 
2012-06-24 06:48:46 PM
*Retard alien strength
 
2012-06-24 06:49:14 PM
I'm guessing you'd have to have already wasted a significant amount of time on King's works to know the first thing about any of this because, honestly, since there's no arrows you can't really tell who is doing what and in what work they are doing it....

Only that they're connected.
 
2012-06-24 06:51:39 PM
I wonder if the sequel to the Shining isn't going to bugger that chart six ways to Sunday
 
2012-06-24 06:51:59 PM
John Lennon suspiciously absent from that flow chart.
 
2012-06-24 06:52:07 PM
It's really kind of a jumbled mess. I was expecting a more coherent chart.

Oh well.
 
2012-06-24 06:53:26 PM

Nefarious: So The Stand has been folded into The Dark Tower?


Any mention of "thinnies" is a convenient dimensional gate between worlds. The Crimson King from the "Dark Tower" books appears in "Insomnia". The towns of Derry and Castle Rock cross reference events in quite a bit in Kings books.
 
2012-06-24 06:57:01 PM

Nefarious: So The Stand has been folded into The Dark Tower?


I was wondering the same thing. Guess you bring Flagg into the set, and you've got Eyes of the Dragon (?) and God only knows what else.
 
2012-06-24 06:57:51 PM
hrm.

They completely missed a shiatload of mixings in Insomnia. That book ties into not only Dark Tower but just about every other book King has written.
 
2012-06-24 07:07:34 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Morgan Freeman's eyebrows from Dreamcatcher require their own separate flowchart.

My god what a shiatstain shiat weasel of a movie that was. Saw it in theater, but at least I didn't pay for it


The book was not one of his better ones (if not downright bad). The movie was an abomination.
 
2012-06-24 07:09:47 PM
Flowcharts are generally better when they can be followed.
 
2012-06-24 07:11:53 PM

NeoCortex42: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Morgan Freeman's eyebrows from Dreamcatcher require their own separate flowchart.

My god what a shiatstain shiat weasel of a movie that was. Saw it in theater, but at least I didn't pay for it

The book was not one of his better ones (if not downright bad). The movie was an abomination.


Yeah the book was not really that good, but compared to the movie it is freaking War and Peace
 
2012-06-24 07:12:07 PM

Confabulat: I'm starting to listen to old King books on audio during my bike ride to work, starting with The Shining. I havent read his early books since I was a kid so I think it should be fun to pick up a lot of the connections that didn't exist when I read them the first time.

If that chart included Dark Tower stuff it would have been about 19 times more complex.


Isn't kind of difficult to pay attention when cars are whizzing by, honking at you to get off the road?
 
2012-06-24 07:15:04 PM
Sorry if I missed it in the chart; a FARKer posted a paragraph from the Stand, where the narrator of that section is talking about Campion fleeing the base, and the government hesitating before assigning "The Shop" from tracking him down (too late, as it was). This would connect the Stand to Carrie and Firestarter. Yeah, not a big deal, but I thought I would mention it.

/Thanks to the FARKer that posted that section
 
2012-06-24 07:19:17 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: My god what a shiatstain of a movie that was. Saw it in theater, but at least I didn't pay for it

Cripes on a crepe, you ain't kiddin'.

I rented that on DVD. If I wasn't laughing, I was mesmerized by the sheer awfulness of it all.

And to think that the guy who wrote Empire AND Raiders was behind it. YIKES.


As a result of that film being made in Oregon I got to meet Jason Lee, so the outcome wasn't *all* bad.

And by "meet" I mean "Made eye contact, nodded and said 'Hey'" to him in a Portland nightclub.
 
2012-06-24 07:23:48 PM
Precious Roy's Horse Dividers

>>> Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Morgan Freeman's eyebrows from Dreamcatcher require
>>> their own separate flowchart.

My god what a shiatstain of a movie that was...

And the book was worse.
 
2012-06-24 07:26:26 PM

Mark Ratner: Confabulat: I'm starting to listen to old King books on audio during my bike ride to work, starting with The Shining. I havent read his early books since I was a kid so I think it should be fun to pick up a lot of the connections that didn't exist when I read them the first time.

If that chart included Dark Tower stuff it would have been about 19 times more complex.

Isn't kind of difficult to pay attention when cars are whizzing by, honking at you to get off the road?


Nah, I don't pay attention to any of that nonsense.
 
2012-06-24 07:27:44 PM

OnlyM3: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers

>>> Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Morgan Freeman's eyebrows from Dreamcatcher require
>>> their own separate flowchart.

My god what a shiatstain of a movie that was...
And the book was worse.


To be fair to the amazingly horrible Dreamcatcher movie, it was one of the more faithful King film adaptations ever made.
 
2012-06-24 07:28:52 PM

Mad_Radhu: I dodged a similar bullet when a cute girl I knew got me free passes to Speed 2: Cruise Control. She actually apologized to me after the movie.


*winces*

Oy... that'd do it!


Mad_Radhu: I don't understand how anyone could take the regard alien strength saves the day ending seriously.


Because Morgan Freeman!

Until the eyebrows, anyway.


Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: NeoCortex42: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Morgan Freeman's eyebrows from Dreamcatcher require their own separate flowchart.

My god what a shiatstain shiat weasel of a movie that was. Saw it in theater, but at least I didn't pay for it

The book was not one of his better ones (if not downright bad). The movie was an abomination.

Yeah the book was not really that good, but compared to the movie it is freaking War and Peace


OUCH


fusillade762: As a result of that film being made in Oregon I got to meet Jason Lee, so the outcome wasn't *all* bad.

And by "meet" I mean "Made eye contact, nodded and said 'Hey'" to him in a Portland nightclub.


Still, it's a story, man!

Rare are the gifts that are better than a good story.
 
2012-06-24 07:30:26 PM
So they missed out on the early parts of "Bag of Bones" that took place in Derry, where the main character had a conversation with Ralph Roberts from "Insomnia"?
 
2012-06-24 07:34:32 PM
Why is "Uncle Otto's Truck" just sitting in the middle of the chart, not connected to anything else?
 
2012-06-24 07:35:34 PM

SourImplant: So they missed out on the early parts of "Bag of Bones" that took place in Derry, where the main character had a conversation with Ralph Roberts from "Insomnia"?


Derry is also where "It" takes place.
 
2012-06-24 07:45:53 PM
ugly, cluttered, and full of typos.

/I think King sucks (dude even admits he "wrote" most of his books while blacked out on booze) and even I know it's "Claiborne," not "Clairborne." Twice.
 
2012-06-24 07:58:50 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: ugly, cluttered, and full of typos.

/I think King sucks (dude even admits he "wrote" most of his books while blacked out on booze) and even I know it's "Claiborne," not "Clairborne." Twice.


Actually, a lot of his best stuff was from when he was whacked out. Dude did some great work when he was wasted. Hell, I'd say a lot of society's greatest art was created on drugs of various sorts.

/King has said, in the past, that he honestly doesn't even remember writing Cujo.
 
2012-06-24 08:01:14 PM

Confabulat: If that chart included Dark Tower stuff it would have been about 19 times more complex.


I see what you did there
 
2012-06-24 08:12:18 PM

HeartBurnKid: Bonanza Jellybean: ugly, cluttered, and full of typos.

/I think King sucks (dude even admits he "wrote" most of his books while blacked out on booze) and even I know it's "Claiborne," not "Clairborne." Twice.

Actually, a lot of his best stuff was from when he was whacked out. Dude did some great work when he was wasted. Hell, I'd say a lot of society's greatest art was created on drugs of various sorts.

/King has said, in the past, that he honestly doesn't even remember writing Cujo.


Yet at the peak of his drug-fueled creative peak, he gave us...Maximum Overdrive.

At least we got a good AC/DC album out of it.
 
2012-06-24 08:13:27 PM

xanadian: Nefarious: So The Stand has been folded into The Dark Tower?

I was wondering the same thing. Guess you bring Flagg into the set, and you've got Eyes of the Dragon (?) and God only knows what else.


The Talisman mentions the same pathways that are in the dark tower too.
 
2012-06-24 08:25:21 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Morgan Freeman's eyebrows from Dreamcatcher require their own separate flowchart.

My god what a shiatstain of a movie that was. Saw it in theater, but at least I didn't pay for it


Wow. Was it worse than Battlefield Earth?
 
2012-06-24 08:29:59 PM

jtown: Wow. Was it worse than Battlefield Earth?


Nah, Dreamcatcher's got NOTHIN' on Battlefield Earth.

Dreamcatcher was horrible, but Battlefield Earth wins (loses?) by a country mile.
 
2012-06-24 08:36:44 PM
I saw no toilet in that diagram.
A toilet to which everything else is connected.
 
2012-06-24 08:37:17 PM

mat catastrophe: I'm guessing you'd have to have already wasted a significant amount of time on King's works to know the first thing about any of this because, honestly, since there's no arrows you can't really tell who is doing what and in what work they are doing it....

Only that they're connected.


Yeah, well, the large number of careless typographical errors don't suggest that the creator cared very much about accuracy anyway. So I'm not even convinced it would make sense if did have arrows. Not worth anyone's time.
 
2012-06-24 08:43:05 PM

One Bad Apple:
Any mention of "thinnies" is a convenient dimensional gate between worlds. The Crimson King from the "Dark Tower" books appears in "Insomnia". The towns of Derry and Castle Rock cross reference events in quite a bit in Kings books.


Uchiha_Cycliste:
The Talisman mentions the same pathways that are in the dark tower too.


um hearts in Atlantis the main character escaped from the employ of the crimson king, he was a "breaker"

and actually the best book>movie stephen king was thinner, dreamcatcher missed a TON of stuff, such as the Jonsey=Mr. Grey thing.

Though technically both Derry and Castle Rock should no longer exist, Derry collapsed at the end of IT, and Castle Rock was destroyed at the end of Needful Things....

/Yes I read a lot
//I have no social life
///so lonely
 
2012-06-24 08:53:17 PM

xanadian: I was wondering the same thing. Guess you bring Flagg into the set, and you've got Eyes of the Dragon (?) and God only knows what else.


"Eyes of the Dragon" and Flagg were already in as of "The Drawing of Three", when it is mentioned in passing that Roland met a real magician once, Flagg, being pursued by Thomas and Dennis.

At least, that was in the original Drawing of Three. I don't know if it's still in the revised version or not.
 
2012-06-24 09:01:04 PM
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2012-06-24 09:01:05 PM

BlaqueKatt: Any mention of "thinnies" is a convenient dimensional gate between worlds. The Crimson King from the "Dark Tower" books appears in "Insomnia". The towns of Derry and Castle Rock cross reference events in quite a bit in Kings books.

Uchiha_Cycliste:
The Talisman mentions the same pathways that are in the dark tower too.

um hearts in Atlantis the main character escaped from the employ of the crimson king, he was a "breaker"


so we are all in agreement here, this poster copped out.
 
2012-06-24 09:12:05 PM

BizarreMan: It's really kind of a jumbled mess. I was expecting a more coherent chart.

Oh well.


Gant chart may do it.
 
2012-06-24 09:18:27 PM

Nefarious: So The Stand has been folded into The Dark Tower?


it was explicitly mentioned in Wizards and Glass; to say nothing of Flagg.


mamoru: t least, that was in the original Drawing of Three. I don't know if it's still in the revised version or not.


there isn't a revised Drawing of the Three. I've heard talks of King revising the last 3 Dark Tower books, but I'm betting that's just wishful thinking.
 
2012-06-24 09:29:50 PM

mamoru: xanadian: I was wondering the same thing. Guess you bring Flagg into the set, and you've got Eyes of the Dragon (?) and God only knows what else.

"Eyes of the Dragon" and Flagg were already in as of "The Drawing of Three", when it is mentioned in passing that Roland met a real magician once, Flagg, being pursued by Thomas and Dennis.

At least, that was in the original Drawing of Three. I don't know if it's still in the revised version or not.


A whole lot of King's books and some of the short stories are linked to the DT stuff.

To answer the original question, yes, the Stand was folded into the DT as soon as they mentioned Flagg. In Wizard and Glass our heroes actually travel to the post superflu world of The Stand on their way to the emerald castle.
If I remember right the list of DT related books is something like
IT, The Stand, Insomnia, Eyes of the Dragon, Regulators, Desperation, Black House, Talisman, Hearts in Atlantis, and Salem's Lot. I couldn't tell you which all short stories are related since I don't remember those ones quite as well.
 
2012-06-24 09:33:21 PM

FeedTheCollapse: there isn't a revised Drawing of the Three. I've heard talks of King revising the last 3 Dark Tower books, but I'm betting that's just wishful thinking.


Eh? I thought he said he'd revised it along with the Gunslinger in the newer "On Being Nineteen" introduction to the books. Well, in that case, Flagg (and the kingdoms of Delain and Garlan) were in the Dark Tower series as far back as the Drawing of Three, and at that time, Flagg was neither Marten nor Walter.

/still disappointed with the direction that character / those characters took in the final books
//prefer the original Gunslinger
 
2012-06-24 09:38:38 PM

FeedTheCollapse: there isn't a revised Drawing of the Three. I've heard talks of King revising the last 3 Dark Tower books, but I'm betting that's just wishful thinking.


I heard that too, but it doesn't really make any sense to me. Those came so much later than the first four, with so many of the other books that make connections in between, you'd think he would have had all the connections down by that point... knew what he was getting into and all. What needs revised in the last three? That was pretty much why he redid The Gunslinger, to make it fit better with the rest of the set that he didn't foresee writing at the time. I think I've heard he may want to take himself out of 7 (probably a smart move) but other than that... I just don't get it.

/Yeah, I love SK and all the DT books.
//Wannafightaboutit?
 
2012-06-24 10:07:27 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Shining


The fact that the Shining isn't linked in there means there is at least one flaw. Dolores Claiborne mentions the Overlook burning down
 
2012-06-24 10:10:49 PM

Confabulat: I'm starting to listen to old King books on audio during my bike ride to work, starting with The Shining. I havent read his early books since I was a kid so I think it should be fun to pick up a lot of the connections that didn't exist when I read them the first time.

If that chart included Dark Tower stuff it would have been about 19 times more complex.


Here's a list, likely not complete, but it will give you an idea of which non-Dark Tower books have connections to the Dark Tower series. Stephen King works related to The Dark Tower series

The list has both major and minor connections.
 
2012-06-24 10:14:13 PM
This flow chart is missing the underage gangbang in the sewer from It. What kind of slipshod work is this?
 
2012-06-24 10:23:05 PM

Gergesa: This flow chart is missing the underage gangbang in the sewer from It. What kind of slipshod work is this?


disappointingly un-handy.


\I oughta consider rephrasing that,
 
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