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2012-06-24 09:16:10 PM

jjorsett: Her job was to act as a bus monitor and presumably protect kids. She shouldn't be attacked by these little monsters, but she should be replaced by someone who'll perform the function for which they're being paid. And before you say that she is given no authority: if the monitor has no power to exercise control, then what the hell is s/he there for? Is the monitor supposed to be like a UN "peacekeeping" force, i.e. a powerless punching bag placed between warring parties?


That's what a monitor is: A powerless punching bag. They have no authority to do anything except ask please stop picking on little Johnny. They can't "perform the function" as you say because nobody will back them up. (which does beg the question why they're there, but to continue) They can't protect kids if the wrongdoer knows he'll face no punishment. If the monitor has no power to kick them off the bus, report them to the principal*, or hit them in the head with a shovel, how are they supposed to "perform the function"?

*or I should say, the kids know that Principal Noballs is going to do nothing when the monitor reports them, so its the same as having no power.
 
2012-06-24 09:18:48 PM
For $650,000 I'll let everyone in this thread call me fat a dozen times a day for a month.
 
2012-06-24 09:22:03 PM

Fark Me To Tears: vodka: Vidwiz: She's got $649,000 worth of donations so far and it's still climbing....she will never have go thru that hell ever again!

Just wait till she gets the tax bill.

O-oooo-kay... You do understand that she'll just pay any taxes due out of the money she has received... right? I don't think that quite makes it to the level of going through hell. I wouldn't mind having to go through the hell of paying the tax bill for the $650K in cash donations I've just received. I think I'd be okay with that.


Nope - gifts through IndieGoGo are tax-free!
 
2012-06-24 09:22:08 PM

miss diminutive: For $650,000 I'll let everyone in this thread call me fat a dozen times a day for a month.


Can I call you fat in ways that will make you break down crying every time? A dozen times a day?

If so, we can probably get a sponsor.
 
2012-06-24 09:25:46 PM
The school bus was a living hell I had to walk into every day. I was teased and taunted, cornered and ridiculed, but that was nothing out of the ordinary. No, it was the beatings. I had to go to the hospital more than once from what they did. It was the freedom from observation by responsible adults that allowed them to do it. The worst was textbooks to the head and face from behind, or maybe being beaten with multiple backpacks full of stuff. They broke my nose and knocked out two teeth once. I got stitches across my hairline from a binder when I was eight. The first time I ever had a broken hand was when when they shoved me down into the floorboards and stomped on me. I didn't realise what a concussion was until a teacher saw me lose balance, and took me to the nurse.

But the worst part were the bus drivers. Anytime anything happened I got written up. See, the problem was that the bus driver believed that 'it takes two to tango,' and also believed the majority of people involved. So because three kids would say 'he started it,' I had started it. Sometimes I was the only one punished. They'd also throw things from behind me at the driver and blame it on me, so the driver hated me and was perfectly willing to believe I was a monster.

Kind of a self-fulfilling thing. By middle school my grandfather had trained me in streetfighting, improvising weapons and the tactic of 'make it more painful and scary to attack you than it could possibly be worth. Hurt them. Maul them. Maim them. If absolutely necessary, Kill them rather than letting them kill you.' I became a farking terror to anyone who laid a hand on me, to the point that I still freak out and get angry (then run away to calm down before I go off) when a coworker touches me, even if it's just a hand on my arm to keep me from stepping into their way. I wish I could stop, but it sets off the adrenaline, and the fear, and the rage.
 
2012-06-24 09:32:42 PM

frizzantik: Moopy Mac: Who are these people that are still donating money to this woman? At this point there has to be better uses for that money.

this

also the person running the donation campaign really ought to stop taking donations


I have a feeling that the guy running the donation campaign is on his way to the Caymans to pick up his international wire transfer funds.
 
2012-06-24 09:33:42 PM

sendbillmoney: Yes, yes I would. I'd feel the exact same sympathy that people did when it was me. That's fair, right?


So your definition of "fairness" is whatever crap you had to put up with everyone else should have to endure too? Believe it or not many of us who suffer something unpleasant do everything we can to prevent others from experiencing the same pain. Its called "compassion." Look it up sometime.
 
2012-06-24 09:34:30 PM

mike4688: Since when has it been a hellish experience? You meet some interesting people on the bus.
Guess it depends on where you live & if you think you're too good to mingle with the mentally challenged.
But you are on Fark sooooo...


Wrong bus. You're thinking the bus that goes around cities, and I totally agree with you on that.

But yeah, actually...my school bus? My best memories are on that thing. My class went on a loooong field trip once per year. Friendships were built, crazy shiat happened, it was tons of fun.

'Course, I never bussed to and from school, which may explain it. Once is fun. Multiple times...kids are wild animals.
 
2012-06-24 09:40:16 PM

FriarReb98: Either way, we can all agree: We now live in an age where if you do something dumb, or bad, or embarrassing, you will end up on YouTube and it will make the news if it's even remotely illegal or newsworthy. How the people who have grown up with YouTube being part of their daily lives haven't figured this out is inexplicable.


Youtube is actually the reason a lot of people do dumb things. They want their videos to go viral and somehow thing making fools of themselves or worse will make them popular. Some people are really stupid. In this case it was just a case of a some kids getting together in a group which often turns them into raging assholes.
 
2012-06-24 09:42:12 PM

Well Armed Sheep: The school bus was a living hell I had to walk into every day. I was teased and taunted, cornered and ridiculed, but that was nothing out of the ordinary. No, it was the beatings. I had to go to the hospital more than once from what they did. It was the freedom from observation by responsible adults that allowed them to do it. The worst was textbooks to the head and face from behind, or maybe being beaten with multiple backpacks full of stuff. They broke my nose and knocked out two teeth once. I got stitches across my hairline from a binder when I was eight. The first time I ever had a broken hand was when when they shoved me down into the floorboards and stomped on me. I didn't realise what a concussion was until a teacher saw me lose balance, and took me to the nurse.

But the worst part were the bus drivers. Anytime anything happened I got written up. See, the problem was that the bus driver believed that 'it takes two to tango,' and also believed the majority of people involved. So because three kids would say 'he started it,' I had started it. Sometimes I was the only one punished. They'd also throw things from behind me at the driver and blame it on me, so the driver hated me and was perfectly willing to believe I was a monster.

Kind of a self-fulfilling thing. By middle school my grandfather had trained me in streetfighting, improvising weapons and the tactic of 'make it more painful and scary to attack you than it could possibly be worth. Hurt them. Maul them. Maim them. If absolutely necessary, Kill them rather than letting them kill you.' I became a farking terror to anyone who laid a hand on me, to the point that I still freak out and get angry (then run away to calm down before I go off) when a coworker touches me, even if it's just a hand on my arm to keep me from stepping into their way. I wish I could stop, but it sets off the adrenaline, and the fear, and the rage.


You sound like a dick
 
2012-06-24 09:48:17 PM
Schools are afraid of lawsuits from the bullies, we need to make them afraid of lawsuits from the bullied.
 
2012-06-24 09:50:18 PM

balki1867: There was this kid on my middle school bus who used to get the crap kicked out of him on a regular basis. He was smart enough to sit right next to the bus driver on the way to/from school (they don't do much, but the kids causing the problems were sitting in the back), but the walk from the stop to his house had to be pure hell for the kid. I know his parents went to the school about it at one point and the county basically said, "Once he's off the bus its not our problem." His parents started driving him to school and eventually moved him to another school altogether.

Whenever there's a shoot shooting, I'm always surprised how shocked some people act about that those things happen. That kid was in about as hopeless a situation I could imagine, and everyone knew exactly what was going on.


This. I explained this to my high school home room/biology class just after Columbine while we were having an in-class discussion of what had happened and how people felt about it. I had to go talk to the resource officer, and the councillor. They both found me reasonable. My teacher did too. Some of the kids started calling me "columbine," though. By that point I really didn't give a rat's rear about what any of them said or thought. One of my friends and I were anonymously accused of planning to kill people. They expelled him "just, you know, as a safety precaution. Que have to put the safety of all our students first", and would have expelled me too if my dad hadn't shown up with a lawyer.
 
2012-06-24 09:54:08 PM

The Hammer Is My Penis: Schools are afraid of lawsuits from the bullies, we need to make them afraid of lawsuits from the bullied.


Aren't lawsuits the bully's tool?
 
2012-06-24 10:00:12 PM
I showed that video to my kids. I told them if it where any one of them they wouldn't be sitting down for a week among other things.
 
2012-06-24 10:00:49 PM

ThatDarkFellow: Well Armed Sheep: The school bus was a living hell I had to walk into every day. I was teased and taunted, cornered and ridiculed, but that was nothing out of the ordinary. No, it was the beatings. I had to go to the hospital more than once from what they did. It was the freedom from observation by responsible adults that allowed them to do it. The worst was textbooks to the head and face from behind, or maybe being beaten with multiple backpacks full of stuff. They broke my nose and knocked out two teeth once. I got stitches across my hairline from a binder when I was eight. The first time I ever had a broken hand was when when they shoved me down into the floorboards and stomped on me. I didn't realise what a concussion was until a teacher saw me lose balance, and took me to the nurse.

But the worst part were the bus drivers. Anytime anything happened I got written up. See, the problem was that the bus driver believed that 'it takes two to tango,' and also believed the majority of people involved. So because three kids would say 'he started it,' I had started it. Sometimes I was the only one punished. They'd also throw things from behind me at the driver and blame it on me, so the driver hated me and was perfectly willing to believe I was a monster.

Kind of a self-fulfilling thing. By middle school my grandfather had trained me in streetfighting, improvising weapons and the tactic of 'make it more painful and scary to attack you than it could possibly be worth. Hurt them. Maul them. Maim them. If absolutely necessary, Kill them rather than letting them kill you.' I became a farking terror to anyone who laid a hand on me, to the point that I still freak out and get angry (then run away to calm down before I go off) when a coworker touches me, even if it's just a hand on my arm to keep me from stepping into their way. I wish I could stop, but it sets off the adrenaline, and the fear, and the rage.

You sound like a dick


So do you. Don't touch me, and we're good.
 
2012-06-24 10:01:02 PM

NeoCortex42: This.

I had to deal with quite a bit of teasing and such during my years on the bus on par with what this lady went through. I got through it by developing a thick skin and just dealing with it. Nobody made it a national news issue, let alone getting nearly half a million dollars in donations and letters of support and apologies.


Just because it sucked to be you and no one bothered to fix it it doesn't mean that it is acceptable to let others experience the same or even worse problems you've experienced.

Think about it. You only had to endure that because at that time no one else bothered to point out how wrong it was. Now, its your turn to decide if you point out how wrong that is, or if you turn a blind eye and be a part in perpetuating this sort of uncivilized behaviour. Its your choice.
 
2012-06-24 10:07:26 PM

Well Armed Sheep: balki1867: There was this kid on my middle school bus who used to get the crap kicked out of him on a regular basis. He was smart enough to sit right next to the bus driver on the way to/from school (they don't do much, but the kids causing the problems were sitting in the back), but the walk from the stop to his house had to be pure hell for the kid. I know his parents went to the school about it at one point and the county basically said, "Once he's off the bus its not our problem." His parents started driving him to school and eventually moved him to another school altogether.

Whenever there's a shoot shooting, I'm always surprised how shocked some people act about that those things happen. That kid was in about as hopeless a situation I could imagine, and everyone knew exactly what was going on.

This. I explained this to my high school home room/biology class just after Columbine while we were having an in-class discussion of what had happened and how people felt about it. I had to go talk to the resource officer, and the councillor. They both found me reasonable. My teacher did too. Some of the kids started calling me "columbine," though. By that point I really didn't give a rat's rear about what any of them said or thought. One of my friends and I were anonymously accused of planning to kill people. They expelled him "just, you know, as a safety precaution. Que have to put the safety of all our students first", and would have expelled me too if my dad hadn't shown up with a lawyer.


I was an orchestra/computer/theater tech nerd in a jock high school (one of my classmates went on to play QB in a Super Bowl). Years later, while watching the carnage at Columbine on tv, I was surprised to hear a small quiet voice inside me say, "Twelve dead jocks. And the problem is......?"

And as usual, the Onion said it better than I could.
 
2012-06-24 10:07:51 PM
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jan/22/saavedra-nuno-bullying-coll ier-school-policy-stab/?preventMobileRedirect=1

Home sweet home, may I never set foot in that rotten shiat-hole again.

/lazy, so no link, just an URL.
 
2012-06-24 10:14:30 PM

reillan: If a gay teenager gets made fun of on the bus - meh, he deserved it for being gay.

If a wimpy kid gets made fun of on the bus - meh, he needs to learn to grow a pair.

If a fat kid gets made fun of on the bus - meh, he needs to learn to be fat somewhere else.

If an old lady gets made fun of on the bus - RESPECT YOUR ELDERS!


What are you talking about? Every one of those is being covered these days. Anti-bullying is a huge bandwagon now.
 
2012-06-24 10:15:16 PM

GreatBunzinni: NeoCortex42: This.

I had to deal with quite a bit of teasing and such during my years on the bus on par with what this lady went through. I got through it by developing a thick skin and just dealing with it. Nobody made it a national news issue, let alone getting nearly half a million dollars in donations and letters of support and apologies.

Just because it sucked to be you and no one bothered to fix it it doesn't mean that it is acceptable to let others experience the same or even worse problems you've experienced.

Think about it. You only had to endure that because at that time no one else bothered to point out how wrong it was. Now, its your turn to decide if you point out how wrong that is, or if you turn a blind eye and be a part in perpetuating this sort of uncivilized behaviour. Its your choice.


Oh, I agree that what happened was horrible. I think the kids involved should be punished harshly. I just think getting over half a mil for dealing with some taunting, regardless of how harsh, is a bit much. Now if that money ends up being donated in her name to some anti-bullying program or something, then great. But getting that much money for putting up with kids she was hired to be keeping on eye on anyway? I can't agree with that.
 
2012-06-24 10:19:09 PM
Maybe it's a hellish experience in some places nowadays, but it wasn't when I was a child, nor was it a hellish experience for my son when he rode the school bus for a few years back when he was in elementary school.
 
2012-06-24 10:43:31 PM

miss diminutive: For $650,000 I'll let everyone in this thread call me fat a dozen times a day for a month.


Bill me.
 
2012-06-24 10:45:02 PM
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// Maybe Russ would be a better choice.
 
2012-06-24 10:45:25 PM
guess some folks just got lucky.

that video was pretty much like my bus ride every day in 8th and 9th grade.

except the kids in the back spit on us a lot too when they weren't busy with the verbal abuse.
one time one of them brought a switch (you know, like the whip they use on horses?) and would hit other kids in the face with it.

the only time discipline was meted out ...was the time somebody back there was smoking and they made all of us sit at the school for an few hours in some misguided idea that the perpetrator would somehow feel guilt about screwing over the rest of us.
 
2012-06-24 10:46:07 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Maybe it's a hellish experience in some places nowadays, but it wasn't when I was a child, nor was it a hellish experience for my son when he rode the school bus for a few years back when he was in elementary school.


Fact is, bullying is going down. Kids, decade after decade, feel safer than ever. Not that it doesn't happen a lot, but most of what you're seeing on the news is just a bandwagon.
 
2012-06-24 10:48:09 PM

Welfare Xmas: Alphakronik: I would stand up and break the farkers nose (and cheekbone once).

Dumb ass, soft tissue damage can cause just as much pain and provides much less evidence.


Have you ever been punched in the nose?

I only had to handle this one time. Pick one out of the group and beat his damn nose to a pulp. Don't worry about the others just focus on one and tear his ass up at all cost. Take your punishment and never have to worry about it again. There may be strength in numbers, but nobody wants to be that one guy. I got suspended for a week, and spent the next four years in peace.
 
2012-06-24 10:57:21 PM
I really don't care if these kids every apologize, or even if they ever mean it. I hope they experience pain for the rest of their miserable little lives. If that was my kid, I would make sure they remember it. Every single day.
 
GCD
2012-06-24 10:58:47 PM
I swear to the FSM that we had the real-life Otto Mann as our bus driver in school.

The guy installed his own CD player and speakers in the bus and regularly cranked up Metallica, White Zombie, Nine Inch Nails, the Offspring and virtually whatever else the metalheads and punks brought him first thing in the morning. It was great!

The guy also drove like a maniac bat-out-of-hell, took short-cuts and once got in trouble for intentionally fishtailing in a mall parking lot (with a full load of kids) during a snow storm. No one on the bus ratted him out, we thought it kicked ass...it was someone that worked at the mall called it in.

Paper ball fights were a regular occurrence and we actually had a snowball fight ON the bus once...and his only issue was when he got pegged in the back of the head (Response: "Not while I'm driving guys, please!") and we also got him in trouble when we stuck a rather inappropriate bumper sticker on the bus and it was spotted by some local politician who got all butt-hurt over it.

He wouldn't tolerate any bullying either...but it really never happened as everyone was having a helluva good time on there.

/miss the 89.
//Wonder what Brian is doing these days?
 
2012-06-24 11:16:02 PM
UFIA was bus bullying. Where was your concern then?
 
2012-06-24 11:18:03 PM
Why did nobody notice before?

Because the ones bullied that bad killed themselves.
 
2012-06-24 11:22:21 PM

GCD: I swear to the FSM that we had the real-life Otto Mann as our bus driver in school.

The guy installed his own CD player and speakers in the bus and regularly cranked up Metallica, White Zombie, Nine Inch Nails, the Offspring and virtually whatever else the metalheads and punks brought him first thing in the morning. It was great!

The guy also drove like a maniac bat-out-of-hell, took short-cuts and once got in trouble for intentionally fishtailing in a mall parking lot (with a full load of kids) during a snow storm. No one on the bus ratted him out, we thought it kicked ass...it was someone that worked at the mall called it in.

Paper ball fights were a regular occurrence and we actually had a snowball fight ON the bus once...and his only issue was when he got pegged in the back of the head (Response: "Not while I'm driving guys, please!") and we also got him in trouble when we stuck a rather inappropriate bumper sticker on the bus and it was spotted by some local politician who got all butt-hurt over it.

He wouldn't tolerate any bullying either...but it really never happened as everyone was having a helluva good time on there.

/miss the 89.
//Wonder what Brian is doing these days?


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2012-06-24 11:48:52 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Maybe it's a hellish experience in some places nowadays, but it wasn't when I was a child, nor was it a hellish experience for my son when he rode the school bus for a few years back when he was in elementary school.


The part you're missing is "middle school," which you will notice is also where most of the horror stories in this thread are coming from. Worst three years of most people's lives, full stop. Kids are at their dickiest, and administrators are at their most worthless (because 99% of the time, middle school administrators are wannabe high-school administrators who can't make the cut because they suck.).
 
2012-06-24 11:58:56 PM

Gyrfalcon: If the monitor has no power to kick them off the bus, report them to the principal*, or hit them in the head with a shovel, how are they supposed to "perform the function"?


The monitor absolutely has the authority to "report them to the principal". In fact, it's their job. They also have the ability to report criminal activity to the police.
 
2012-06-25 12:00:35 AM
I dont remember school buses being all that bad when I was a kid but I can say that city buses suck. No matter how hard the gubment tries they will never get people to willingly use mass transit on a regular basis. For about 3 years in my younger days I rode the bus to work about 8 miles in San Jose. It was full of suck. There is no other way to describe it. For whatever reason the bus I was on attracted all the "special" folks. I have nothing against the retarded or mentally ill and totally respect the ones that try to contribute. That said, I dont particularly want to have a conversation with them at 5:30 in the morning when I am just out of bed and havent even had my coffee yet. Yet every damn one of them wanted to talk, about cows living on the moon, about their anal warts, about how there were cameras on the bus watching us and how the bus driver was spying on us for the government. I was so damn glad when I was finally able to buy my own car. I have almost never ridden mass transit since. Two trips on bart, numerous airport shuttles but that is it.
 
2012-06-25 12:14:20 AM

transplendent: frizzantik: Moopy Mac: Who are these people that are still donating money to this woman? At this point there has to be better uses for that money.

this

also the person running the donation campaign really ought to stop taking donations

I have a feeling that the guy running the donation campaign is on his way to the Caymans to pick up his international wire transfer funds.


if he has an ounce of brains and some massive balls, yes.
 
2012-06-25 12:20:16 AM

Ima4nic8or: I dont remember school buses being all that bad when I was a kid but I can say that city buses suck. No matter how hard the gubment tries they will never get people to willingly use mass transit on a regular basis. For about 3 years in my younger days I rode the bus to work about 8 miles in San Jose. It was full of suck.


Don't write it off everywhere. I take the bus basically daily here in Madison (#1 bus system of it's size as of a week ago, woo!) and I almost never run into someone like that. Does depend on the route though.

I didn't even have an experience like yours when I was riding busses around San Francisco when I was there for a week-long visit.
 
2012-06-25 12:38:39 AM
The bus situation was bad in the 70's and is still bad now. it's a variation on ITG syndrome, where over-indulged, non-disciplined kids feel enabled to act out on the bus because the driver is preoccupied, witnesses are intimidated or uninterested in narc'ing, and sight lines are poor.

Cameras don't do a thing to stop the bullying and bad behavior, unless the passengers see a direct and immediate connection between action and consequence. Only cameras watched by someone in real-time at the school have a chance of being effective deterrents. If camera recordings are checked at all today, it is after days or even weeks since the incident happened. SAme with city bus cameras: their recording are usually erased before a complainant can access the footage. Kids are not stupid: they observe that there is no consequence for a bad action, and that emboldens them. I felt the effects of this as a kid in the 70's, when I boarded a bus that had just one seat left open, but nobody would allow me to use it. The only seat left open was next to a bully who attacked me and broke my tooth punching me. We went to his home and confronted his dad, another d-bag, who refused to take any responsibility and even threatened to hit my dad right there. School admins did nothing at all. Bus company washed their hands. Only option was an expensive lawsuit we could not afford.


A couple years ago, my kids rode the city busses in town because they went to private school. I would drop them at the school on my way to work, they would take the bus home, accompanied my my wife. I had many stories from her about really bad characters on that bus. The stop before my kid's gradeschool, the city bus had a pick-up at the "alternative school" where all the expelled and problem kids were warehoused until graduation age. it was Lord Of The Flies on that bus, every day. One time, three late-teens sat across from my wife and 8 year old daughter, loudly discussing how they would go about raping the two of them, if they had the opportunity. When I got the story that night, I got mad enough to visit their school's principal, their in-house cop, AND the bus company, and between the four of us, we caused the school to crack down a bit on the bad kids, and change their bus route.

Monitors are the poorer district's answer to cameras. They can't afford cameras, so they hire someone at minimum wage to "observe and report". Usually they don't give the monitor a facebook to ID the miscreants, so it's hard to file charges without a positive ID. Why an old grandma? Well, for one thing, bus monitor hours don't fit most able-bodied working adult's schedules, and if the hours aren't a problem, the low pay is - it's basically a volunteer job. Also, grandmas pass the sexual predator check most easily. Easier than am un-employed 20 or 30-year-old man in good physical shape.

The monitors are not given authority to lay hands on a kid to break up a fight, or to take a kid off the bus before he reaches his destination. Dropping a kid off anywhere but his designated spot is grounds for firing and worse.

So kids without consequences will continue to do this shiat.
 
2012-06-25 12:43:36 AM

kg2095: Many hard core bullies have parents who are also bullies. Or in some cases dad is a bully and mom just does what she's told.


Whatever is coming out of a kid's mouth is also coming out of their parents mouths.
 
2012-06-25 01:00:28 AM

DVOM: kg2095: Many hard core bullies have parents who are also bullies. Or in some cases dad is a bully and mom just does what she's told.

Whatever is coming out of a kid's mouth is also coming out of their parents mouths.


Blood and teeth?
 
2012-06-25 01:04:50 AM
Back in my day in elementary school, (early to mid 90's) we didn't have bus monitors. Just us and the bus driver.
 
2012-06-25 01:29:00 AM
Because when a kid does it to a kid, it's just bullying, man up nancy boy, but the same actions towards an adult are a crime.

This is what people actually believe. Fark threads are full of it.
 
2012-06-25 02:14:01 AM
There was an entry on the late great lowbrow.com by a fellow that had been bullied on the school bus as a child until the day he enlisted the Jalapeno Army to protect him. He brought a small box with several jalapeno peppers that had toothpicks for arms and legs. His tormentors immediately seized and smashed his jalapenos, but their cruel laughter turned to shrieks of agony after they touched their eyes and faces with their hot pepper juice-covered hands. I recollect that one or two required hospitalization.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-25 02:30:16 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: cig-mkr: Bullied on a bus wouldn't happen if the drivers, monitors had some authority, like kick the little ass wipe off the bus and make them walk the rest of the way.

They did a cool (I thought) punishment for my nephew a couple years at his school for bus misbehavior.

Made him calculate how many laps around the track it would be to walk home, and walk it.


I like it.

Especially the bonus math homework.
 
2012-06-25 03:57:09 AM
Drivers and bus monitors, by contrast, have in the past rarely been able to do anything in response to bad behavior.

Enormous-Schwanstucker: Dumb: Not giving granny the power to actually do something, anything.

This started in the 80's -- around the time that Yuppies began suing everyone for any reason and, along with the entire medical institution, schools became targets. Soon, schools basically couldn't do anything to enforce their rules for fear of being dragged into lawsuits. Teachers couldn't lay a hand on a kid so by the time the Great Sexual Offender Period arrived, they knew they could get adults in major trouble with no consequences at all for lying or initiating an incident.

My niece was in grade school and came home HORRIFIED because a TEACHER and DARED to grab a verbally disruptive boy and FORCE HIM TO SIT DOWN! This was third grade. The teacher didn't back hand the little bastige, just forced his babbling arse to sit down. Even by then, my niece KNEW teachers SHOULDN'T lay a hand on a student.

When I was in third grade, if you didn't listen, the teacher would slam you down in your chair, make you stand in a corner and/or drag your arse down to the principal, who had the authority to paddle you.

The bus thing never was real good, even though my grade school bus driver had no problems with slamming on the brakes and dragging a kid to the 'punishment seat' where he could keep an eye on him. He also had the authority to kick a kid off the bus. With no cell phones, busses were equipped with short wave radios and he could call the office and request a cop.

Afterwards, he reported PIA kids to the principal, who called their parents and THEIR PARENTS kicked the kids arses. At least, until some time in the 80's, when someone decided to pass laws making it an arrest able offense to swat your kid.

After that, kids just went wild.

When I was in school, especially Senior High, I got tired of all of the noise and fuss on the bus and the inevitable harassment. (No driver could pay attention to everything and safely drive the bus.) So I rode my bike the four miles to school.

I wasn't alone. The bike racks were crowded. Oddly enough, the worst bullies seemed too lazy to ride bikes.

I recall an epiphany I had on the bus one day. There was a bunch of ribbing going on along with the usual baiting, and in the next seat was this cute girl I had been in first and second grades with. She had always been a sweet thing. Someone asked me if I knew her and I said 'I had her in first grade' which promptly led to a whole bunch of suggestive jeering at me, including sexual innuendo. Some boy asked the girl if I'd 'had her' if first grade and her whole face changed as she snarled 'yuck! No!' and added 'I'd never want HIM'.

That led to even higher levels of verbal abuse, sexual innuendo and questions concerning my sexual orientation.

I recall being somewhat stunned by the way this nice, sweet kid I recalled had not only responded, but how her pretty face had twisted into a mask of disgust. We had played together in school. I had fended off the usual occasional dumb kid trying to bother shy little her. We had shared snacks!

Of course, by then, being a teen, she was no longer dressing like a shy little girl, but she was still cute and I had not heard her join in the usual annoying harassment.

The 80's pulled the teeth on a whole lot of authority as lawyers dragged people into court for the stupidest reasons ranging from speaking badly to their kids to assault if a teacher grabbed a kid by the arm.

One guy broke up a fight between kids on his lawn and the Dad of the kid who was LOOSING drove up later and snarled at him, telling him if he EVER TOUCHED his kid again, he'd have him arrested and sue him.

The guy should have just let the kid get his arse beat.

So, now, in the 2000's, we get to reap the results of the freaking morons and idiots from the 80's who sued everyone until ridiculous laws were enacted mainly to keep folks from getting expensively sued.

In trying to protect their kids, they actually made it so much easier for their kids to get injured by other kids as adults stood around, not knowing if they dared to get involved or not.

When you blur the boundaries between right and wrong, chaos can surge in to fill the gap.
 
2012-06-25 04:55:41 AM

Lorelle: mike4688: Since when has it been a hellish experience? You meet some interesting people on the bus. Guess it depends on where you live & if you think you're too good to mingle with the mentally challenged.
But you are on Fark sooooo...

I rode the bus from kindergarten through 5th grade, and have pretty good memories of bus rides due to the fact that the bus driver, Rocco ("Rocco Taco") was a cool guy who often sang "I'm Popeye the Sailor Man" [honk honk] and other songs while driving us kids to and from school. I don't recall any bullying going on. Then again, this was during the late 1960s/early 1970s, and things were different back then.

/freakin' old
//if I had a lawn, I'd tell you to stay off of it


My school bus days were mid 60s to early 70s. I don't recall any bullying, but then again in those days adults in charge could paddle your bottom or slap your face if you deserved it. Today's kids know that ain't gonna happen and we are so much better for it.
 
2012-06-25 05:50:09 AM

LoneWolf343: Enormous-Schwanstucker: Dumb: Not giving granny the power to actually do something, anything.

Slightly dumber: Granny whining about it. She picked the job, she knew the up and coming terrorists and fry cooks were going to be a problem right? Right?

Weapons grade farking stupid: The morans posting the video to YT.


This is why my daughter is enrolled in Tae Kwan Do and Kumdo (sword fighting, which I learned too). It's not to learn how to carve someone into little pieces but to give her the confidence and discipline to endure any bullies that come her way. Now, if one of them should happen to cross that line so be it. She knows very well fighting is used only when every other alternative has been exhausted.

Do you think anyone really expected this level of harassment for that job? It's not just simple disrespect here, but really evil taunting.


You're right, of course not.

I do think if she had some power it might have attenuated it somewhat but there is a pattern of kids behavior that one bus monitor can't control. And yes, it's on the sadistic side but the kids knew nothing, before, would happen. I want to see what will happen now.
 
2012-06-25 07:55:42 AM
I rode the bus all 12 years, from the mid-60's to 1978. I saw all sorts of things, from the usual 30 second fight, to drugs changing hands, to weapons (one tough put a 10" combat knife to my throat), to girls being groped and sexually abused (I'd call guys holding a screaming girl down and putting their hands in her shirt and pants abuse, wouldn't you?).

This was a typical bus in rural TN. All my friends had simlar experiences riding the bus. The drivers would haul anyone acting up too much into the office at school, and they'd get thrown off the bus for a few days, or sit at the front for a while, but it never really stopped anything. They'd stop what they were doing if he stopped the bus and got out of his seat, but that was about it.

/had a few fights on the bus myself
//didn't start them
///ended them though
 
2012-06-25 08:22:53 AM

balki1867: There was this kid on my middle school bus who used to get the crap kicked out of him on a regular basis. He was smart enough to sit right next to the bus driver on the way to/from school (they don't do much, but the kids causing the problems were sitting in the back), but the walk from the stop to his house had to be pure hell for the kid. I know his parents went to the school about it at one point and the county basically said, "Once he's off the bus its not our problem." His parents started driving him to school and eventually moved him to another school altogether.

Whenever there's a shoot shooting, I'm always surprised how shocked some people act about that those things happen. That kid was in about as hopeless a situation I could imagine, and everyone knew exactly what was going on.


Since it happened off school property, get the police involved.
 
2012-06-25 08:28:29 AM

Well Armed Sheep: ThatDarkFellow: Well Armed Sheep: The school bus was a living hell I had to walk into every day. I was teased and taunted, cornered and ridiculed, but that was nothing out of the ordinary. No, it was the beatings. I had to go to the hospital more than once from what they did. It was the freedom from observation by responsible adults that allowed them to do it. The worst was textbooks to the head and face from behind, or maybe being beaten with multiple backpacks full of stuff. They broke my nose and knocked out two teeth once. I got stitches across my hairline from a binder when I was eight. The first time I ever had a broken hand was when when they shoved me down into the floorboards and stomped on me. I didn't realise what a concussion was until a teacher saw me lose balance, and took me to the nurse.

But the worst part were the bus drivers. Anytime anything happened I got written up. See, the problem was that the bus driver believed that 'it takes two to tango,' and also believed the majority of people involved. So because three kids would say 'he started it,' I had started it. Sometimes I was the only one punished. They'd also throw things from behind me at the driver and blame it on me, so the driver hated me and was perfectly willing to believe I was a monster.

Kind of a self-fulfilling thing. By middle school my grandfather had trained me in streetfighting, improvising weapons and the tactic of 'make it more painful and scary to attack you than it could possibly be worth. Hurt them. Maul them. Maim them. If absolutely necessary, Kill them rather than letting them kill you.' I became a farking terror to anyone who laid a hand on me, to the point that I still freak out and get angry (then run away to calm down before I go off) when a coworker touches me, even if it's just a hand on my arm to keep me from stepping into their way. I wish I could stop, but it sets off the adrenaline, and the fear, and the rage.

You sound like a dick

So do you. Don't touch me, ...


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2012-06-25 09:06:14 AM

ThreeEdgedSword: I don't recall their ever being Bus Monitors on the buses when I grew up. It was the driver and a camera that almost never worked. That was it. When did this bus monitor business start?


I had bus monitors in the mid-80s. Didn't have bus-monitors in the late 70s.
 
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