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KiplingKat872: they can get help from other firefighting departments,

SOCIALISMS!

KiplingKat872: nationwide.

NATIONAL SOCIALISMS!

OMG HITLER NAZIS!

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ultraholland: tell him that he's farking retarded if he never thinks he will use health care services, and a person with that level of stupidity shouldn't be entrusted with money for investments

Yeah, he doesn't listen to a word anyone says. I've had to start using surrealism to make him stop. Example conversations with my brother follow.

Brother: Only two things come out of Chicago. Thugs and corrupt politicians.
Me: And pizza.
Brother: .. Fine. Thugs, corrupt politicians, and pizza. Obama is not a pizza.
Me: Maaaaybe he is a pizza.
Brother: ... I.. *walks away*

Brother: But it would just work if we could get...
Me: Okay. Stop and let me make sure I understand you. You say a libertarian goverment could work.
Brother: Yeah, obviously.
Me: Name me one libertarian first world nation.. You know what? Name me one libertarian nation period.
Brother: That's a straw man argument!
Me: No. It isn't. If it worked, someone would be using it. No one is using it, hence, it apparently it doesn't work.
Brother: But, if you look at statistics...
Me: Know what else works on paper? Fusion reactors. Also, riding dragons to the moon. Working on paper has no relation to real life. If it was a legit form of government, someone would be using it already. And yet...
Brother: Communism didn't work either you know, but that didn't stop the USSR or China or...
Me: Technically, none of those countries used communism because by definition communism requires everyone to be equal so no leaders or classes. Which the USSR, and China, have. So they're authoritarian, using "Communism" as a brand name.

Yes, he still absolutely insists a libertarian government would work and that taxes are stealing, while being a college student living with his parents and on his parents insurance. I don't even.

balki1867: LOL your brother must be some sort of investing genius. I've had to pay out of pocket for insurance a few times in my 20s and it usually comes to ~$150/mo, or $1800 a year, which comes to $18,000 for the decade in question. You brother would need to earn a ~55% return on his $1800 every year (and keep reinvesting) to turn that into $250,000.

I'm not going to even TRY to account for what math he used. I think he's actually a corporatist, not a libertarian.
And I've been uninsured since 23 and paying out of my pocket for everything since. No insurance. Paying for a tubal ligation next month. He really doesn't seem to know how much shiat costs... I am trying to get a catastrophic care plan though.

Karac: Better yet, ask him if he drives around campus on Friday or Saturday nights, and how many students he sees drunk or stoned. Because if you get in a decent enough wreck, a hospital will gladly hand you a bill that a college student's bank account can't begin to touch.

He insists that car wrecks are paid for by auto insurance. While living in a no fault state.

/my brother is a herpderp

This guy doesn't go far enough in his proposals. First off, not only should hospitals not be required to treat critically injured individuals of minimal means, the critically injured poor should be thought of as a box of organs to take away and give to wealthier and worthier citizens. When we see a homeless person on the street we shouldn't feel any pity or compassion, we should immediately seize them and hand them over to skilled professionals for organ harvesting. It is outrageous that the good hardworking citizens of this republic should have their hard earned tax dollars stolen by no good poor people by means of hospital law.

If someone wants to give their money away frivolously so someone who was stabbed multiple times in an attempted mugging doesn't bleed to death, well that is their business. But under no circumstance should I have to pay for it. If they can't afford treatment that does not exempt them the principles of the free market and they can just be consumed by people with a higher income. If they don't like it, then they should have pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and earned a decent wage.

Damn liberals and their sanctimonious, bleeding heart, must save everyone attitudes.

FTFA: What we lack is not the way but the will.

Oh, if only we could find the will! That would truly be a triumph. A triumph of the will, if you will.

Ringshadow: He's never paid for his own insurance. He's on my parents' insurance still.

My brother, who is 23 and infected with College Libertarianism, told me a few days ago that you'd be better off investing the money that you'd normally put toward health insurance because "you're betting something is going to happen to you, and what if nothing does?"

I pointed out that'd make you a statistic anomaly. So hey worked out the math and said that after a decade or something, you'd have a quarter million dollars or some shiat. I don't know what logic he was using.

Needless to say he did not listen when I pointed out a quarter million dollars probably wouldn't pay for the hospital stay associated with a heart attack and, say, a stint placement.

He's never paid for his own insurance. He's on my parents' insurance still.

/I keep telling him that I'm not going to listen until he pays for his own shiat
//he replies that that's a "strawman argument"
///hoping he gets over his College Libertarianism soon

WorldCitizen: Yep, this sounds like something Jesus would support. Jesus also seems like the sort of guy who would be angered at even the thought of universal health care.

Yep. I Republicans 6:66:"And the Lord spake 'Verily I say unto thee, I gots mine, so fark you. Thus sayeth the LORD'".

They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into - I say let 'em crash!

BarkingUnicorn: There was a case last year where firemen watched a house burn down because the owner hadn't paid his fire district fee.

Damn straight. And if someone breaks into your house, takes your valuables, rapes your wife, and kills your kid you should have cash on-hand to pay the officers when they arrive. And if the catch the guy, you should have to pay for the trial and for the cost of incarceration for the bad guy. Anything less is socialism.

born_yesterday: /But they pay their preachers good money to tell them they are the righteous.



Why do you hate the free market?

Republican Jesus is not the same as Bible Jesus.

Nothing brings a family together like the death of a loved one. Families these days should really spend less time watching violent and sex-filled movies and video games, and spend more time at funerals together.

Fluorescent Testicle: PacManDreaming: Please don't confuse the small minded bigotry of some with the generosity of others. Not all Christians are like that.

No, just all Christians in any sort of position of power. I'll stop considering Christianity to be the anus of American religion when one of two things happen: Either the Moral Majority types stop pushing laws designed to keep me as a sub-human sub-citizen, or the Christians who actually follow Christ vocally biatchslap the loudmouthed farknipples that make up three-quarters of their congretation into submission. I'm not expecting either within my lifetime.

There were a fair amount of Christians in the comments thread on the page talking about how Christ said to treat the infirmed and poor, and about the story of Lazarus and the rich man... but the modmin over there decided to delete all the comments.

Huggermugger: This is utter horseshiat. It's posturing and hateful.

Government-administered health care works fine for our soldiers and our veterans and our government reps. Each of one of those vicious teatard congressmen and those mercenary Senators, and the governors and the retired defense contractors, are all receiving gold-plate health care, and if you call them out on their hypocrisy they shrug and say "what, you expect me to not take it? It's there for me, I'd be a fool not to". But they want to convince everyone else that the system doesn't work, that it's irretrievably broken, and that the only way it will ever work is for those people to take their chickens and their quilts and their bales of hay to the doctor, and try to pay with those commodities.

Liars, farking liars... Church charity and private charity have never been able to deal with more than a minuscule amount of the need, and the way "Christians" are acting these days, they would flay the person alive that dared to ask their congregation for anything at all. "Go die, sinner" the smug assholes will yell, and they'll snicker and giggle at how they've gotten some revenge on the poor and the sluts and the n*ggers who all deserve to suffer and die.

I had a broken neck in 1969, living in KKK-land (North Carolina). Sure, the hospital accepted me as an emergency patient, but then they dumped me in the pauper's ward until my unemployed mother could beg and scrounge enough cash ($5000) to meet the neurosurgeon's fee. It took two weeks, of me lying in bed in my own filth, the nurses clucking their tongues at me in contempt, refusing to clean me up until I screamed. But the bones in my neck were all shattered, and so I couldn't get up out of bed and go to them and shame them into giving me the care that they'd give a dog in the pound. No church would help, since my mother was an unrepentant atheist. No charity would touch me, because my mother was a divorcee (and thus automatically a "slut").

This can't be true. This has to be a lie. Because according to TFA Americans are the most generous people in the world and charities will always be there to help those in need.

enry: Ringshadow: My brother, who is 23 and infected with College Libertarianism, told me a few days ago that you'd be better off investing the money that you'd normally put toward health insurance because "you're betting something is going to happen to you, and what if nothing does?"

I pointed out that'd make you a statistic anomaly. So hey worked out the math and said that after a decade or something, you'd have a quarter million dollars or some shiat. I don't know what logic he was using.

Needless to say he did not listen when I pointed out a quarter million dollars probably wouldn't pay for the hospital stay associated with a heart attack and, say, a stint placement.

He's never paid for his own insurance. He's on my parents' insurance still.

/I keep telling him that I'm not going to listen until he pays for his own shiat
//he replies that that's a "strawman argument"
///hoping he gets over his College Libertarianism soon

Ask your brother what he thinks about people that don't pay taxes who also vote. See how far he gets before he figures it out.

I had a libertarian friend who was complaining to me once about the number of toll roads in Massachusetts and how wrong it was. I pointed out that as a libertarian he should be ecstatic that government was employing user fees upon people who actually used its services, which fits the libertarian model for how government should provide services if it absolutely must. He told me that on the surface that would seem true, but in practice this was totally different.

mrshowrules: demaL-demaL-yeH: dehehn: You want a study on the efficacy of socialized medicine vs. free market healthcare insurance? France is #1 in healthcare in the world, we are #37.

And they pay 50% less* per person.

*Ok, Ok: 49.3% less.

I've been told that Canadian/European style health care insurance can't work in the US because the US is different in a fundamental way that can't be clearly explained.

I think it has to do with America being bigger and smaller than other countries while also being more densely and sparsely populated than them as well. Oh, and we're also more homogeneous and heterogeneous too.

Corporate Self: So what happens someone does not have insurance, but is injured by someone at no fault of their own? Who pays then?

Suppose I am struck by a hit and run driver who is not caught. Lets say I am between jobs and therefore without medical insurance.. Is it fair for me to die because of the criminal actions of another?

Come on people, we don't need to live in animals. We are wealthy enough as a nation to ensure everyone in America has access to medical care, shelter, and food. Do we really want our fellow Americans starving and dying in the streets?

Why don't you like freedom and bootstraps?

I plan an opening a chain of high interest health care loan stores next to hospitals when Obamacare is struck down and Medicare with it. Come see me, we'll approve you for a healthcare loan as long as you have steady income or real estate that is paid off. If you don't we can probably hook you up with a funeral loan as long as you have a car title.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: to escape Dr. Mengele's Canadian torture hospitals where bone marrow and tears are rendered down into maple syrup.

Wait... that's not how maple syrup is made?

Well, rats. [kicks stone]

I think this is fantastic. The American Family Association is simply admitting the supremacy of survival of the fittest, and Darwinism, over the silly preachings of the Jesus idol.

Oh great. Now hospitals wll be mandated by Small Government Conservatives™ to put extra large dumpsters next to hospital emergency rooms. And giant Air Wicks©.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Hate to tell you this, but since your brother's a randroid at 23 (and not 17), he's beyond the critical age to learn compassion, logic, or economics.

Funny thing... I'd heard of Ayn Rand by age 14 or so, but it wasn't until I was 17 I got around to reading "Atlas Shrugged". Even as a 17-year-old punk I knew it was a steaming cart of horseshiat.

113 comments so far and no one has bit on "(Some creationist social Darwinian)" yet.



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For 3 years I've been saying we should repeal EMTALA as a parody of the right wing position on healthcare. It's good to know that Poe's law hasn't let me down.

So let me see if I understand what he's proposing...

A man gets into a automobile accident, and the ambulance shows up. The guy is unconscious and bleeding profusely. The first thing the EMT does is fish around looking for the guy's wallet, to find proof of insurance. Whoops, no insurance card. The EMTs take off the cops tow the car out of the intersection and leave the guy to die? That's it?

Or do ambulances still have to take him to the hospital, and they leave him to bleed to death on the sidewalk outside? Or do they have a "death zone" where they leave the unconscious but still alive.

What if the patient is a fetus?

Marshal805: Proving once again that the best way to isolate a group of morons is to let them do it themselves.

That's weird, I read that as group of mormons.

incendi: You'll just have to bleed out while the police take down your info, and hope they catch the perp and find your wallet before you die.

That means that the perp is now a murderer, and can be put away for life to make widgets for the prison industry for no pay! Win-win!

Humans have spent millenia forming societies, with the understanding that collectively we are stronger and better than as individuals. Why are conservatives so intent on destroying that?

Oh, I think I answered my own question.

Dinki: I was expecting the comments there to be supportive of this guys position. They were a pleasant surprise.

No kidding. Faith in humanity +1.

/now at 3/1000

Well, that's certainly the Christian thing to do. YAY JEEEEZUUUUS!!!