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2012-06-24 08:32:08 PM  
ultraholland: born_yesterday: /But they pay their preachers good money to tell them they are the righteous.

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Why do you hate the free market?


There's a whole lotta fat fux in that crowd.

Texas?
 
2012-06-24 08:38:22 PM  

MyEnamine: Antisocial Personality Disorder

Diagnosis

It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:

1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them.
4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
5. Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
6. Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the
7. person into conflict with society.

There may be persistent irritability as an associated feature.

Link

/Republicans are against socialism because collectively they have ASPD.


THAT'S AWESOME. All 7 of those describe OWS. Whatever happened to those guys?
 
2012-06-24 08:39:21 PM  

whitman00: GREAT system we've got going there...


*sigh*

I give up.

I'M FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!!!!!!

There, plain enough?
 
2012-06-24 08:41:03 PM  

baka-san: whitman00: GREAT system we've got going there...

*sigh*

I give up.

I'M FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!!!!!!

There, plain enough?


I am not sure I understand. Could you please clarify?
 
2012-06-24 08:42:35 PM  

Sabyen91: baka-san: whitman00: GREAT system we've got going there...

*sigh*

I give up.

I'M FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!!!!!!

There, plain enough?

I am not sure I understand. Could you please clarify?


Damn you! I was just about to post that. Damn mobile phone, my fingers aren't quick enough.
 
2012-06-24 08:42:54 PM  
FTA: Most hospitals were started by Christians or Christian organizations, and will find a way to offer care to the indigent whether the federal government is standing over them with a cudgel or not. The American people, because of the spirit of Christianity, are the most generous people on earth, which they prove time after time when disasters hit anywhere in the world.

This is just an attempt to put all of the social power back into the hands of the church. You want medical care and are poor? You better be a Christian.
 
2012-06-24 08:42:57 PM  
FTFA: Second, allow low-premium, high-deductible insurance policies. The higher the deductible, the lower the premium, and the more can be plowed into health savings accounts. This will enable Americans to build up reserves to meet the deductible in case of a major event as well as for routine medical expenses

You realize that these folks support the same political party that doesn't believe we should have a federal minimum wage...?
 
2012-06-24 08:46:20 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: Second, allow low-premium, high-deductible insurance policies. The higher the deductible, the lower the premium, and the more can be plowed into health savings accounts. This will enable Americans to build up reserves to meet the deductible in case of a major event as well as for routine medical expenses

You realize that these folks support the same political party that doesn't believe we should have a federal minimum wage...?


But Jebus will provide... just hand over your children between the ages of 6 and 14 please...
 
2012-06-24 08:49:01 PM  

HeartBurnKid: FTFA: What we lack is not the way but the will.

Oh, if only we could find the will! That would truly be a triumph. A triumph of the will, if you will.


+1, and a cookie.
 
2012-06-24 08:50:56 PM  

PsiChick: blog.eternalvigilance.me


On the contrary, Christians and Americans are some of the most generous people you'll ever see.
 
2012-06-24 08:59:05 PM  
'Dumbass' tag on sabbatical?
 
2012-06-24 09:00:04 PM  

PacManDreaming: PsiChick: blog.eternalvigilance.me

On the contrary, Christians and Americans are some of the most generous people you'll ever see.


I'm sure those people in Haiti loved the bibles and missionaries sent right after the earthquake. I'm sure the people in other countries seeking help from catholic charities love having food or medicine held back unless they become catholics. That's real charity.
 
2012-06-24 09:00:37 PM  
Stop bashing Christians. They are just doing the Lord's work. If Jesus wanted those in need to be taken care of he would have put it in the Constitution.
 
2012-06-24 09:03:59 PM  

Pincy: Stop bashing Christians. They are just doing the Lord's work. If Jesus wanted those in need to be taken care of he would have put it in the Constitution.


I know you are being sarcastic, but it's funny... to oppress people and hold judgements on them, xians run screaming for the bible. When it comes to helping others, doing good and everything christ preached, the bible is nowhere to be found. Funny that...
 
2012-06-24 09:05:22 PM  

PsiChick: Most hospitals were started by Christians or Christian organizations, and will find a way to offer care to the indigent whether the federal government is standing over them with a cudgel or not. The American people, because of the spirit of Christianity, are the most generous people on earth, which they prove time after time when disasters hit anywhere in the world. Let's not insult our own people by saying they are not generous and compassionate enough to help the needy with medical care.

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It's true that most hospitals were started by CATHOLICS (at a time when the government was not yet providing general health care), and that most aid organizations were CATHOLIC (before aid organizations existed generally), and that until recently CATHOLIC outreach groups were more interested in getting people fed and housed and educated than in spreading the Gospel. And it's true that CATHOLIC organizations will continue to feed the hungry and shelter the homeless. (Bearing in mind the Church is way less liberal about it than they were oh, ten years ago)

"Christian" I'm not so sure about.
 
2012-06-24 09:13:23 PM  

KiplingKat872: Virtuoso80: taxandspend: Virtuoso80:

You're right. Get rid of the Government mandates for help, so many Catholic and Christian hospitals can can introduce mandates of their own.

Don't think it'll happen. Some already deny rape kits based on religious beliefs.

Well, that's up to them. I don't agree with it, and I wouldn't give my money to a hospital that did that, but they can do and not do business with who they want. If most people don't like their policies, they will lose a ton of business another hospital that does things differently. If people do like their policies, then all the hospital is doing is reflecting the values some part of society already had.

You act like there are hostpitals in every street corner.

When my parents lived in Prescott, AZ, there was the small hospital there, and then a few hours down the highway in Phoenix. It's not like people being picked up by ambulances have any choice in the matter, they are taken where they can get treatment the fastest.

Medical care should NOT be a "free market enterprise," it purpose and focus is to help people.


I grew up in a similar situation in rural northeastern Vermont. I don't even know where the next closest hospital was to my house, other than the one 15 miles away--in New Hampshire. I'm assuming it was about 90 minutes in another direction, which wouldn't help if you were turned away--at that point the drive would be almost 2 hours. There might have been something in Canada, but that was never really an option.

When you don't have any choices, the representation of these "values" oppresses the underrepresented. That's tyranny of the majority.

"Let the free market decide" only works if the market is large and balanced and the people aren't assholes, neither of which is possible.
 
2012-06-24 09:16:43 PM  

Gyrfalcon: PsiChick: Most hospitals were started by Christians or Christian organizations, and will find a way to offer care to the indigent whether the federal government is standing over them with a cudgel or not. The American people, because of the spirit of Christianity, are the most generous people on earth, which they prove time after time when disasters hit anywhere in the world. Let's not insult our own people by saying they are not generous and compassionate enough to help the needy with medical care.

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It's true that most hospitals were started by CATHOLICS (at a time when the government was not yet providing general health care), and that most aid organizations were CATHOLIC (before aid organizations existed generally), and that until recently CATHOLIC outreach groups were more interested in getting people fed and housed and educated than in spreading the Gospel. And it's true that CATHOLIC organizations will continue to feed the hungry and shelter the homeless. (Bearing in mind the Church is way less liberal about it than they were oh, ten years ago)

"Christian" I'm not so sure about.


In the U.S., I don't belive that was the case. I'm on my phone, so I can't research it, but catholics were a minority un the U.S., so I doubt they created "most" of the hospitals. I think a lot of them were secular in origin. The Civil War alone saw the birth of dozens, maybe 100 hospitals, as it also saw the birth of the American Red Cross (based on the International Red Cross). I think Catholucs have done the majority of Christian charitable work, but I do not believe they are responsible for most of the charitable work in the U.S..
 
2012-06-24 09:17:29 PM  
I like the claim about generosity and how they hospitals will do it, with no explanation for why they aren't doing it now.
 
2012-06-24 09:19:01 PM  

KiplingKat872: Gyrfalcon: PsiChick: Most hospitals were started by Christians or Christian organizations, and will find a way to offer care to the indigent whether the federal government is standing over them with a cudgel or not. The American people, because of the spirit of Christianity, are the most generous people on earth, which they prove time after time when disasters hit anywhere in the world. Let's not insult our own people by saying they are not generous and compassionate enough to help the needy with medical care.

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It's true that most hospitals were started by CATHOLICS (at a time when the government was not yet providing general health care), and that most aid organizations were CATHOLIC (before aid organizations existed generally), and that until recently CATHOLIC outreach groups were more interested in getting people fed and housed and educated than in spreading the Gospel. And it's true that CATHOLIC organizations will continue to feed the hungry and shelter the homeless. (Bearing in mind the Church is way less liberal about it than they were oh, ten years ago)

"Christian" I'm not so sure about.

In the U.S., I don't belive that was the case. I'm on my phone, so I can't research it, but catholics were a minority un the U.S., so I doubt they created "most" of the hospitals. I think a lot of them were secular in origin. The Civil War alone saw the birth of dozens, maybe 100 hospitals, as it also saw the birth of the American Red Cross (based on the International Red Cross). I think Catholucs have done the majority of Christian charitable work, but I do not believe they are responsible for most of the charitable work in the U.S..


Well, probably true. I was thinking more globally.
 
2012-06-24 09:25:37 PM  

WhyteRaven74: I like the claim about generosity and how they hospitals will do it, with no explanation for why they aren't doing it now.


Clearly it's because the government is doing it for them and they feel no motivation. It's the government's fault that we're less charitable.
 
2012-06-24 09:26:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon: KiplingKat872: Gyrfalcon: PsiChick: Most hospitals were started by Christians or Christian organizations, and will find a way to offer care to the indigent whether the federal government is standing over them with a cudgel or not. The American people, because of the spirit of Christianity, are the most generous people on earth, which they prove time after time when disasters hit anywhere in the world. Let's not insult our own people by saying they are not generous and compassionate enough to help the needy with medical care.

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It's true that most hospitals were started by CATHOLICS (at a time when the government was not yet providing general health care), and that most aid organizations were CATHOLIC (before aid organizations existed generally), and that until recently CATHOLIC outreach groups were more interested in getting people fed and housed and educated than in spreading the Gospel. And it's true that CATHOLIC organizations will continue to feed the hungry and shelter the homeless. (Bearing in mind the Church is way less liberal about it than they were oh, ten years ago)

"Christian" I'm not so sure about.

In the U.S., I don't belive that was the case. I'm on my phone, so I can't research it, but catholics were a minority un the U.S., so I doubt they created "most" of the hospitals. I think a lot of them were secular in origin. The Civil War alone saw the birth of dozens, maybe 100 hospitals, as it also saw the birth of the American Red Cross (based on the International Red Cross). I think Catholucs have done the majority of Christian charitable work, but I do not believe they are responsible for most of the charitable work in the U.S..

Well, probably true. I was thinking more globally.


Well sure. The Catholics got a jump start on everyone in Europe, and of course they held great sway in Africa and Central and South America. They were the only ones with money enough to do it (that cared to). But many some had similar concepts daring back before christianity, and never doubt military need creating hospitals.
 
2012-06-24 09:28:05 PM  

PacManDreaming: PsiChick: blog.eternalvigilance.me

On the contrary, Christians and Americans are some of the most generous people you'll ever see.


1) What the hell is blog.eternalvigilance.me?

2) Yes, but they're large groups of people. Individually, sure, Christians and Americans are wonderful people. As groups...well, I'm Pagan, bisexual, and female. I watch these two groups get together to slam me and mine every single day in the name of Yaweh. I might not be the best person to claim that to.
 
2012-06-24 09:30:08 PM  

Gyrfalcon: PsiChick: Most hospitals were started by Christians or Christian organizations, and will find a way to offer care to the indigent whether the federal government is standing over them with a cudgel or not. The American people, because of the spirit of Christianity, are the most generous people on earth, which they prove time after time when disasters hit anywhere in the world. Let's not insult our own people by saying they are not generous and compassionate enough to help the needy with medical care.

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It's true that most hospitals were started by CATHOLICS (at a time when the government was not yet providing general health care), and that most aid organizations were CATHOLIC (before aid organizations existed generally), and that until recently CATHOLIC outreach groups were more interested in getting people fed and housed and educated than in spreading the Gospel. And it's true that CATHOLIC organizations will continue to feed the hungry and shelter the homeless. (Bearing in mind the Church is way less liberal about it than they were oh, ten years ago)

"Christian" I'm not so sure about.


Oh, that's what blog.eternalvigilance.me means.

Yes, that's all true, but that's not actually the best way to run a society, now is it? I mean, you don't go around trying to fix an amputated leg with band-aids...there's just a time and a place.
 
2012-06-24 09:41:56 PM  

Mugato: Christianity today is about the Old Testament, pretty much exclusively.


Which is the supreme reason I don't like the vast majority of them. Pretty ironic they have such a hard-on for that section of the Bible when it was used by the Pharisees (who share a lot of commonality with most modern Christians) to justify killing Jesus.
 
2012-06-24 09:44:40 PM  

Serious Black: 2) "Allow" low premium, high-deductible insurance. Because families making $30,000 a year can eat dirt and live under a bridge.


Much like the statement that tort reform has been tried in much of the country, we've had high-deductible medical insurance available for years and years and years now. What's with the "allowed"? Have they not been allowed? When? Or where? Because they're around as far as I can tell. They're offered at my workplace (and 99% of people steer the hell away from them because they don't have $10k sitting around just in case). You can get $5000 individual/$10k family deductibles and be HSA-eligible. You can even offer much, much higher deductibles than that if you don't want the HSA-contribution-eligible tag. Is it just that 5/10k is just a not high enough deductible for the author?

We have high-deductible plans. They haven't cut costs yet.
 
2012-06-24 09:49:07 PM  
So when people catch TB and can't afford to treat it we should have the hospitals kick them out amongst the general population. Perhaps we can point them in the direction of the American Family Association offices.
 
2012-06-24 09:56:49 PM  
The American Family Association says, basically ... die.

This is what member families are getting for the price of their Association membership?
 
2012-06-24 09:59:03 PM  
I'm OK with this. and I'd actually take it 7-8 steps further.

I'd mandate that all those who choose to NOT buy health insurance must sign a waiver stipulating the following:

they are ineligible to sue any first responder, fireman, doctor or hospital. Their lives are essentially at the whim of fate/nature/probability. No one can be sued for not rendering aid or rescue.

they must agree to pay IN ADVANCE for any medical services, emergency or otherwise. No checks or credit cards. Straight cash or cashier's check, homie. If they walk into an ER with both their arms cut off, gushing blood, they better bring someone to pull the wallet out of their back pocket, or their corpse gets dragged into the street after they bleed out.

When the pile of dead people starts accumulating outside the nation's emergency rooms, perhaps our citizenry will wise up to the value of insurance, or perhaps Fundiecons will determine that citizens of the wealthiest nation the world has ever seen ought to expect better.
 
2012-06-24 10:12:20 PM  

Serious Black: Here are his six recommendations:

1) Repeal EMTALA. Because you should die because a thief stole your wallet with your insurance card.

2) "Allow" low premium, high-deductible insurance. Because families making $30,000 a year can eat dirt and live under a bridge.

3) Repeal all coverage mandates. Because I shouldn't have to cover my neighbor's costs for having the audacity to get cancer.

4) Let insurance companies sell across state lines based on regulations in the state of origin rather than the state of sale. Because all insurance companies should be based in Connecticut after they won the race to the bottom.

5) Implement California-style tort reform. Because that worked out so well for all the states that tried it before now.

6) Extend the employer tax exclusion to individuals purchasing their own insurance . Because insurance companies need even more tax-free money shoveled into their vaults.

AHIP must have paid him a fortune for that ludicrous piece of smarmy bullshiat that would only bankrupt the poor and make our country even more like the feudal societies of old.


You don't seem to underatand that somebody' got to pay for everything, and borrowing money or endlessly raising taxes on the middle class is NOT the way to solve the cost problem

Wages of deficit socialism: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18554986?
 
2012-06-24 10:12:28 PM  

WTF Indeed: [j.wigflip.com image 607x654]


no they are not. they could not care less what Jesus said. they only care about using his word to manipulate others and keep the little people under control using fear and bullsh*t.

it works, otherwise they woudn't do it.

the Owners preach one thing, and do the opposite behind closed doors.
 
2012-06-24 10:13:57 PM  
comon america, make a dollar!
 
2012-06-24 10:16:23 PM  

oldernell: It would decrease the surplus population.


lets start with you.
 
2012-06-24 10:17:59 PM  

jake_lex: Ah, I love the "pro-life" movement. If you're a fetus or a vegetable, they got your back. Between those two times, however, go fark yourself, you're on your own.


they love ya' until you're born, then you're on your own. typical thought processes for psychopaths.
 
2012-06-24 10:20:36 PM  
i'm hoping that if and when Jesus comes back he rips off republican right wing heads, pokes out their eyes, sh*ts down their throats, and skull f*cks each and every one of them.


hell, i'd go to church twice a week if Jesus would do that.
 
2012-06-24 10:22:00 PM  

DamnYankees: Truly, these people believe in a moral and just society.


no. they only believe in themselves and their money. that is all. psychopaths.
 
2012-06-24 10:28:20 PM  

Animatronik: You don't seem to underatand that somebody' got to pay for everything, and borrowing money or endlessly raising taxes on the middle class is NOT the way to solve the cost problem

Wages of deficit socialism: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18554986?


Why/How in the world are you supporting your "argument" with an article on how financial pressure due to the Great Recesion has reduced European aid to Third World countries?

And you don't seem to realize that it's already bleeding the middle class and costing twice what it should. How is replacing the current "system" of private insurance with a single-payer system - and the efficiencies and market power of an insurer that covers the entire population - financed by taxes increasing anybody's burdens?

Well?
 
2012-06-24 10:32:19 PM  
OK, let me see if I have this straight.

Health care reform is bad because it's something Mussolini would do[citation needed].

Banning abortion is perfectly OK even though it's something that Nicolae Ceaușescu did, in fact, do.

Or is it the other way around, in revoise?
 
2012-06-24 10:41:45 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: OK, let me see if I have this straight.

Health care reform is bad because it's something Mussolini would do[citation needed].

Banning abortion is perfectly OK even though it's something that Nicolae Ceaușescu did, in fact, do.

Or is it the other way around, in revoise?


It's pretty damned confusing. Republicans are against a plan based on ideas that they came up with in the 90s as an alternative to Hillarycare.

Maybe Obama should run based on his support for the Contract with America and the Starr Report...
 
2012-06-24 11:05:03 PM  

PsiChick: 1) What the hell is blog.eternalvigilance.me?


I'm guessing that's where the pic you posted is hosted at.

PsiChick: 2) Yes, but they're large groups of people. Individually, sure, Christians and Americans are wonderful people. As groups...well, I'm Pagan, bisexual, and female. I watch these two groups get together to slam me and mine every single day in the name of Yaweh. I might not be the best person to claim that to.


Please don't confuse the small minded bigotry of some with the generosity of others. Not all Christians are like that.

truthseeker2083: I'm sure those people in Haiti loved the bibles and missionaries sent right after the earthquake. I'm sure the people in other countries seeking help from catholic charities love having food or medicine held back unless they become catholics. That's real charity.


I'm sure there's some Christians that do that, but they're doing it on their own accord. Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus tell anybody to withhold food, medicine or help of any kind, from anyone, unless they convert.
 
2012-06-24 11:07:28 PM  

Virtuoso80: Health care is provided to people by other people, not by Governments.


Governments are made up of people. How did you get to be of reading age without realizing this?
 
2012-06-24 11:11:44 PM  
*reads the article* The stupid it burns.

Hippocrates seen facepalming in his grave.

There are a hell of a lot better ways to deal with the rising cost of health care than denying it to those who cannot pay.
 
2012-06-24 11:28:37 PM  

cchris_39: Before the federal government decided to get involved with Medicare (Johnson) and EMTALA (Reagan), the County Hospitals took care of the poor people. But...the federal government always thinks they can do better. At best, they can do about the same at 10X the cost.


Medicare and Medicaid spend less than private insurance would on the same treatments, and because unlike private insurance they can't just deny people coverage, they've actually led the private sector in cost-saving strategies. For example, the notion of paying by DRG to make it unprofitable for providers to order tests they don't need began with Medicare, and has expanded well beyond the government now with many private insurers using modifications of this system to bill. Billing coding and remittance forms of the government are a de facto standard amongst all insurers now. The government systems have not only helped those they cover get low-cost health care, they've helped to lower the costs for those on private insurance too.

And charity care is nowhere near able to meet the need that Medicare and Medicaid fill. If all the charitable giving of all of the United States was spent only on providing medical care to the elderly and indigent, it wouldn't be enough. If everyone gave three times their current amounts AND only gave to provide medical care for the elderly and indigent, it still wouldn't be enough.
 
2012-06-24 11:30:47 PM  

PacManDreaming: PsiChick: 1) What the hell is blog.eternalvigilance.me?

I'm guessing that's where the pic you posted is hosted at.

PsiChick: 2) Yes, but they're large groups of people. Individually, sure, Christians and Americans are wonderful people. As groups...well, I'm Pagan, bisexual, and female. I watch these two groups get together to slam me and mine every single day in the name of Yaweh. I might not be the best person to claim that to.

Please don't confuse the small minded bigotry of some with the generosity of others. Not all Christians are like that.

truthseeker2083: I'm sure those people in Haiti loved the bibles and missionaries sent right after the earthquake. I'm sure the people in other countries seeking help from catholic charities love having food or medicine held back unless they become Catholics. That's real charity.

I'm sure there's some Christians that do that, but they're doing it on their own accord. Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus tell anybody to withhold food, medicine or help of any kind, from anyone, unless they convert.


Christianity has one overwhelming problem with being a valid way of life. It's entirely not true. The Bible is man-made fiction. Jesus wasn't anything more than a charismatic person. He was not the Son of God. He didn't walk on water or turn water into wine.

If by saying you're Christian that you're saying you like to be nice to people and maybe give some food to a hungry person, I suppose that isn't the worst thing in the world, but you're also tacitly endorsing a made up story as being the instructions for life. Most Christians don't seem to stop there and want to introduce their fallacies into our laws and force non-believers to follow them as well.

There is a plethora of evidence that the Bible isn't true... but here's a few from me...

What year did we discover penicillin? Jesus made a big deal about healing lepers individually, how many people could he have healed by teaching us about penicillin?

Why do we have no information about Jesus from infant until his late 20s (save for a single episode of him as a pre-teen condemning the temple people)? We had Three Wise Men follow a star in the sky and lay gifts of frankincense and myrrh before him. They knew he was the Son of God. Why didn't they have someone follow him and detail his life and tell us every single word he ever said? I would think for most people this would be excessive but for the savior of all mankind it doesn't seem unreasonable.

If you believe the Bible then Jesus had the easiest death of any of us. Even those of us with faith have to worry about what happens after we die but he didn't even have to wonder. I don't think his miracle sacrifice was all that much of a sacrifice at all. If you tell me in three days I'll be sitting on an eternal throne next to God then I'll take one for the team also.

On top of all that, what a pathetic excuse for a "good" God that he issues us an ultimatum upon our birth which we had no choice in accepting in that we either obey his teachings and worship his son or burn in hell for trillions upon trillions of years.

The Bible and Christianity are entirely illogical and inane. It's used in America as any successful endeavor is. It's used for power, money, and sex. That's the entirety of Christianity in America. At the lower levels people have potlucks and sung songs and feel happy together but the people running the "business" of Christianity have influence all the way to the highest levels of power and in fact initiate wars like Iraq. They drive Rolls Royces and Lambos and hire hookers and do blow all while singing Amazing Grace in the most ingratiating tone on TV.

Christianity was created in the Bronze Age and that's where it's keeping us in many ways.
 
2012-06-24 11:31:46 PM  

grimlock1972: *reads the article* The stupid it burns.

Hippocrates seen facepalming in his grave.

There are a hell of a lot better ways to deal with the rising cost of health care than denying it to those who cannot pay.


No, I just talked to Jesus, he's OK with it.
 
2012-06-24 11:52:35 PM  

king of vegas: Tolstoy...


Well, then I guess there isn't anything I can do for you. If you were looking for a fight, sorry, try someone else.
 
2012-06-24 11:54:14 PM  
lulz, their way of dealing with people questioning the christianity of such ideas was to delete the comments and close em.... gotta love New Christianity every bit as much as we all loved New Coke.
 
2012-06-24 11:55:03 PM  

PacManDreaming: Please don't confuse the small minded bigotry of some with the generosity of others. Not all Christians are like that.


No, just all Christians in any sort of position of power. I'll stop considering Christianity to be the anus of American religion when one of two things happen: Either the Moral Majority types stop pushing laws designed to keep me as a sub-human sub-citizen, or the Christians who actually follow Christ vocally biatchslap the loudmouthed farknipples that make up three-quarters of their congretation into submission. I'm not expecting either within my lifetime.
 
2012-06-24 11:57:55 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: ... congretation

congregation ...

/FTFM.
 
2012-06-25 12:03:52 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: PacManDreaming: Please don't confuse the small minded bigotry of some with the generosity of others. Not all Christians are like that.

No, just all Christians in any sort of position of power. I'll stop considering Christianity to be the anus of American religion when one of two things happen: Either the Moral Majority types stop pushing laws designed to keep me as a sub-human sub-citizen, or the Christians who actually follow Christ vocally biatchslap the loudmouthed farknipples that make up three-quarters of their congretation into submission. I'm not expecting either within my lifetime.


There were a fair amount of Christians in the comments thread on the page talking about how Christ said to treat the infirmed and poor, and about the story of Lazarus and the rich man... but the modmin over there decided to delete all the comments.
 
2012-06-25 12:54:26 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Basically what I'm saying here is that your hypothetical case has fark-all to do with what the thread is discussing.


It must be disconcerting to not have RTFA and then make smug assumptions that leaves one looking foolish.
 
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