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(Some creationist social Darwinian)   The American Family Association says there is a very simple way to reduce healthcare costs: If you can't pay, hospitals should not have to treat you   (afa.net) divider line 412
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2012-06-24 03:28:48 PM  
Health insurance should be for emergencies, not routine maintenance.
Health insurance, magically enough, covers health care. And if my aunt had balls, should wouldn't bump her ass when she hops.

Third, get rid of all government-mandated coverage requirements. A huge driver of the cost of insurance is that government regulators, including Benito Obama with MussoliniCare ... If they will never resort to acupuncture, why should they be forced to pay for it?
Benito Obama MussoliniCare. You farkers are really starting to have to stretch to come up with new insults. Also, citation needed on government regulation requiring insurance plans to cover acupuncture. The last regulation I heard of was one where some Republican congressman was saying Obamacare shouldn't require plans to cover treatment for cancer. Are you going to suggest that if people choose to never have cancer they shouldn't have to have it covered?

Fifth, tort reform
Again, citation needed. Several states have enacted tort reform, so you should be able to point to at least one where doing so has lead to lower health care costs, less 'needless' tests, or at least lowered malpractice insurance premiums for doctors. I'll wait.

Sixth, allow individuals the same tax break employers get.
Fifteen paragraphs of dreck, and the author finally manages to shiat out one, single golden nugget.

Let's get employers out of the health-care-providing business and let them give the money they spend on premiums to their employees in the form of raises.
I was wrong, it was fool's gold. Guess what, if I get insurance through work, then it's part of my compensation. Your plan is simply to trade buying as a group (all the employees of where I work), and replace it with buying as an individual, which is the more expensive route.
 
2012-06-24 03:29:27 PM  

paygun: Kome: That's the adjective you have a problem with? By definition, if it will change how things are done, it can accurately be described as challenging the status quo.

You really believe that for-profit insurance companies managing our healthcare is change? How?


Probably because I've read the entire lengthy document put out on the Affordable Care Act and have a slightly better idea of what it actually is.
 
2012-06-24 03:29:48 PM  

Ringshadow: My brother, who is 23 and infected with College Libertarianism, told me a few days ago that you'd be better off investing the money that you'd normally put toward health insurance because "you're betting something is going to happen to you, and what if nothing does?"

I pointed out that'd make you a statistic anomaly. So hey worked out the math and said that after a decade or something, you'd have a quarter million dollars or some shiat. I don't know what logic he was using.

Needless to say he did not listen when I pointed out a quarter million dollars probably wouldn't pay for the hospital stay associated with a heart attack and, say, a stint placement.

He's never paid for his own insurance. He's on my parents' insurance still.

/I keep telling him that I'm not going to listen until he pays for his own shiat
//he replies that that's a "strawman argument"
///hoping he gets over his College Libertarianism soon


LOL your brother must be some sort of investing genius. I've had to pay out of pocket for insurance a few times in my 20s and it usually comes to ~$150/mo, or $1800 a year, which comes to $18,000 for the decade in question. You brother would need to earn a ~55% return on his $1800 every year (and keep reinvesting) to turn that into $250,000.
 
2012-06-24 03:31:53 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: 4) Let insurance companies sell across state lines based on regulations in the state of origin rather than the state of sale. Because all insurance companies should be based in Connecticut after they won the race to the bottom.

5) Implement California-style tort reform. Because that worked out so well for all the states that tried it before now.

It amazes me that people still believe bullshiat like this when there is proof out there that IT DOESN'T WORK!!!

Why don't we call #4 for what it really is, deregulating the insurance industry.


Or if you wanted to be inflammatory, you could call it legalizing murder.
 
2012-06-24 03:32:22 PM  

ultraholland: Ringshadow: My brother, who is 23 and infected with College Libertarianism, told me a few days ago that you'd be better off investing the money that you'd normally put toward health insurance because "you're betting something is going to happen to you, and what if nothing does?"

tell him that he's farking retarded if he never thinks he will use health care services, and a person with that level of stupidity shouldn't be entrusted with money for investments


Better yet, ask him if he drives around campus on Friday or Saturday nights, and how many students he sees drunk or stoned. Because if you get in a decent enough wreck, a hospital will gladly hand you a bill that a college student's bank account can't begin to touch.
 
2012-06-24 03:32:29 PM  
Charity hospitals? The same places you pretty much went to to die? Go fark yourself.
 
2012-06-24 03:33:52 PM  
"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we've got to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it."

~ Stephen Colbert
 
2012-06-24 03:34:54 PM  
I read the article and assumed it was just a "Modest Proposal" style satire.

Then I read the Wikipedia article on the author, and I felt sick.

What the hell? This is a real thing? What the hell is wrong with people? This guy is like two girls, one cup, but more disgusting, because he uses his pen to poop on America.
 
2012-06-24 03:35:22 PM  

baka-san: Hey, jackass...

It's ONLY emergency care that hospitals are required by law to give regardless of ability to pay...

And even then it's only till someone can be moved,


So if you have lung cancer, they won't treat you until you can't breathe because only then is that an emergency, and they will only treat you enough to get you breathing again. They don't have to treat the cancer.

Oh yeah. I feel so much better about this.
 
2012-06-24 03:36:39 PM  
Such overflowing compassion and loving kindness...
 
2012-06-24 03:37:46 PM  
At least they're honest.

This is why the individual mandate was a Republican idea in the first place - a belief that foregoing insurance was merely shifitng the inevitable costs of sickness and injury onto those who payed for coverage.

Of course Obama is for it now, even signing the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation's old alternative to "Hillarycare" into law, so reflexively the 9 year olds that comprise the GOP have to disavow the entire concept and call it a marxist plot to destroy America.

I didn't RTFA but did the author even mention that St. Ronald Reagan signed the bill into law compelling hospitals to provide care to everyone, regardless of financial circumstance?

The Republicans have gone completely insane.
 
2012-06-24 03:38:52 PM  

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 481x343]


Woah, that's like.... dude.

So, first you got Charles Manson.
Then you get some journalist who decides he can make a kickass band because he feels he knows what the audiences want. Writes some songs, some based off of Charles Manson's own (admittedly, very crappy) songs, the rest not, but all about the dissatisfaction with the slimy things people do while claiming to be good-natured. All band members take their first name from a fashion model and their last name from a serial killer.
Then, after said band produces their first album "Portrait of an American Family", a group of religious-right wanks who completely missed the point create the American Family Association in protest of "that filth".

/pseudo-morals work real well on the talk shows for the weak...
 
2012-06-24 03:40:09 PM  
This guy doesn't go far enough in his proposals. First off, not only should hospitals not be required to treat critically injured individuals of minimal means, the critically injured poor should be thought of as a box of organs to take away and give to wealthier and worthier citizens. When we see a homeless person on the street we shouldn't feel any pity or compassion, we should immediately seize them and hand them over to skilled professionals for organ harvesting. It is outrageous that the good hardworking citizens of this republic should have their hard earned tax dollars stolen by no good poor people by means of hospital law.

If someone wants to give their money away frivolously so someone who was stabbed multiple times in an attempted mugging doesn't bleed to death, well that is their business. But under no circumstance should I have to pay for it. If they can't afford treatment that does not exempt them the principles of the free market and they can just be consumed by people with a higher income. If they don't like it, then they should have pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and earned a decent wage.

Damn liberals and their sanctimonious, bleeding heart, must save everyone attitudes.
 
2012-06-24 03:44:01 PM  
So.. I don't get it.

He first says that of course costs are out of control because they have to treat everyone. And how could you expect a mechanic/grocer/whoever to stay in business if they serve people who don't pay?

Then he immediately says "But hospitals and such are so darn charitable that they'll serve people who don't pay."

So... problem solved... somehow.
 
2012-06-24 03:44:03 PM  

MyRandomName: WTF Indeed: [j.wigflip.com image 607x654]

Jesus never told his followers to look to government to do their charity work for them. I think you missed a big part of that whole voluntary charity thing.



Lawyer speak. The refuge of anyone who claims to be religious but doesn't really want to follow what the Bible says.

/thou shall not murder, not kill, right?
 
2012-06-24 03:45:30 PM  

12349876: ultraholland: 12349876: And the additional advantage of b) is that the system helps keep bad things that happen to other from spreading to you. Like forest fires in your analogy and airborne diseases for health care.

ahh, but the forest fire is far more local/regional than the airborne disease. Wouldn't those who choose to live in more fire-prone areas be subject to some sort of premium to mitigate the overall cost of protecting their homes?

using your logic, city dwellers should pay more premium than rural dwellers and party people should pay more than basement dwellers because of their exposure to other people and therefore airborne disease.

and i guarantee you people in fire prone areas are paying more for homeowner's insurance, so at least on the replacement end of things after the fire they're mitigating costs.

and assuming you're living in a suburb or city not a farm, any kind fire that happens to a next door neighbor could easily spread to you.


I have friends in Colorado on evacutation stand by who would disagree with you.

The great thing about making firefighting a public service is when fires get too big for one firehouse or department to handle, they can get help from other firefighting departments, nationwide. In smaller towns, it is common practice fir multiple municipal firefighting units to handle big fires, at no extra cost to taxpayers because the money comes from the state.

Remember how many departments around the nation sent people to Ground Zero after 9/11, in part because entire NYFD firehouses had been wiped out?

Can't do that with private companies. Not unless you feel dandy charging the survivors of the WTC and the city of NY a massive bill in the wake of such a tragedy.
 
2012-06-24 03:46:55 PM  
It's a good start. Socializing medicine through emergency rooms and decisions by doctors on the frontline are about inefficient at communism as you can get.
Let's turn it off and wait to see what happens.
 
2012-06-24 03:47:50 PM  

paygun: Kome: That's the adjective you have a problem with? By definition, if it will change how things are done, it can accurately be described as challenging the status quo.

You really believe that for-profit insurance companies managing our healthcare is change? How?


Well, Obamacare challenges their ability to deny coverage due to "preexisting conditions", challenges their ability to deny coverage for children, and by increasing the pool of insured (with a bunch of young healthy people, no less) it lowers the costs for everyone.

So yes, it is a change. Or do you not understand what the word "change" means? Much like you don't know what "bigot" means since you tried to accuse a piece of legislation of being a bigot.

Also, before the Rightwing fear machine churned out the "Death Panels" lie, nearly every poll showed a strong majority of support for a public option.
 
2012-06-24 03:47:56 PM  
The people screaming "I'm 100% American" turn out to be the opposite. More at 11.
 
2012-06-24 03:48:56 PM  
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

-- John Kenneth Galbraith
 
2012-06-24 03:48:58 PM  

Ringshadow: My brother, who is 23 and infected with College Libertarianism, told me a few days ago that you'd be better off investing the money that you'd normally put toward health insurance because "you're betting something is going to happen to you, and what if nothing does?"

I pointed out that'd make you a statistic anomaly. So hey worked out the math and said that after a decade or something, you'd have a quarter million dollars or some shiat. I don't know what logic he was using.

Needless to say he did not listen when I pointed out a quarter million dollars probably wouldn't pay for the hospital stay associated with a heart attack and, say, a stint placement.

He's never paid for his own insurance. He's on my parents' insurance still.

/I keep telling him that I'm not going to listen until he pays for his own shiat
//he replies that that's a "strawman argument"
///hoping he gets over his College Libertarianism soon


Tell him you're not going to listen until he uses the term "strawman argument" correctly.
 
2012-06-24 03:49:35 PM  
For 3 years I've been saying we should repeal EMTALA as a parody of the right wing position on healthcare. It's good to know that Poe's law hasn't let me down.
 
2012-06-24 03:49:40 PM  
113 comments so far and no one has bit on "(Some creationist social Darwinian)" yet.



/Trollmitter
 
2012-06-24 03:51:32 PM  

Kome: If ObamaCare is shot down by the Supreme Court, as it certainly should be, the possibility of major health care reform will be sitting right in front of us. We can preserve the status quo, which nobody likes or should like, or we can make reforms that will reduce costs and improve access to health care for every American for decades to come. It will be time to choose. Let's choose wisely.

Now THAT is some quality cognitive dissonance. "The status quo challenging, cost cutting, access improving healthcare reforms should be struck down by the Supreme Court to allow us to... reform healthcare by challenging the status quo, cutting costs, and improving access."


That quote FTA:

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2012-06-24 03:51:50 PM  

ultraholland: tell him that he's farking retarded if he never thinks he will use health care services, and a person with that level of stupidity shouldn't be entrusted with money for investments


Yeah, he doesn't listen to a word anyone says. I've had to start using surrealism to make him stop. Example conversations with my brother follow.

Brother: Only two things come out of Chicago. Thugs and corrupt politicians.
Me: And pizza.
Brother: .. Fine. Thugs, corrupt politicians, and pizza. Obama is not a pizza.
Me: Maaaaybe he is a pizza.
Brother: ... I.. *walks away*

Brother: But it would just work if we could get...
Me: Okay. Stop and let me make sure I understand you. You say a libertarian goverment could work.
Brother: Yeah, obviously.
Me: Name me one libertarian first world nation.. You know what? Name me one libertarian nation period.
Brother: That's a straw man argument!
Me: No. It isn't. If it worked, someone would be using it. No one is using it, hence, it apparently it doesn't work.
Brother: But, if you look at statistics...
Me: Know what else works on paper? Fusion reactors. Also, riding dragons to the moon. Working on paper has no relation to real life. If it was a legit form of government, someone would be using it already. And yet...
Brother: Communism didn't work either you know, but that didn't stop the USSR or China or...
Me: Technically, none of those countries used communism because by definition communism requires everyone to be equal so no leaders or classes. Which the USSR, and China, have. So they're authoritarian, using "Communism" as a brand name.

Yes, he still absolutely insists a libertarian government would work and that taxes are stealing, while being a college student living with his parents and on his parents insurance. I don't even.

balki1867: LOL your brother must be some sort of investing genius. I've had to pay out of pocket for insurance a few times in my 20s and it usually comes to ~$150/mo, or $1800 a year, which comes to $18,000 for the decade in question. You brother would need to earn a ~55% return on his $1800 every year (and keep reinvesting) to turn that into $250,000.


I'm not going to even TRY to account for what math he used. I think he's actually a corporatist, not a libertarian.
And I've been uninsured since 23 and paying out of my pocket for everything since. No insurance. Paying for a tubal ligation next month. He really doesn't seem to know how much shiat costs... I am trying to get a catastrophic care plan though.

Karac: Better yet, ask him if he drives around campus on Friday or Saturday nights, and how many students he sees drunk or stoned. Because if you get in a decent enough wreck, a hospital will gladly hand you a bill that a college student's bank account can't begin to touch.


He insists that car wrecks are paid for by auto insurance. While living in a no fault state.

/my brother is a herpderp
 
2012-06-24 03:52:07 PM  

KiplingKat872: So if you have lung cancer, they won't treat you until you can't breathe because only then is that an emergency, and they will only treat you enough to get you breathing again. They don't have to treat the cancer.


Yes, that about sums it up. I'm constantly amazed at how many people believe that ERs will treat people for chronic or non-threatening conditions. I just had an argument with my cousin about healthcare; she thought that people without insurance could get cataract or glaucoma surgery at the ER. I had to gently let her know that no, those people just go blind.
 
2012-06-24 03:52:26 PM  
:loading republican interpreter:
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KiplingKat872: they can get help from other firefighting departments,


SOCIALISMS!

KiplingKat872: nationwide.


NATIONAL SOCIALISMS!

OMG HITLER NAZIS!

:kernel panic:
:dumping core:
 
2012-06-24 03:52:35 PM  

Relatively Obscure: So.. I don't get it.

He first says that of course costs are out of control because they have to treat everyone. And how could you expect a mechanic/grocer/whoever to stay in business if they serve people who don't pay?

Then he immediately says "But hospitals and such are so darn charitable that they'll serve people who don't pay."

So... problem solved... somehow.


This sounds a lot like Romney's self-deportation solution to immigration.

Hospitals will police themselves just like illegals will police themselves.
 
2012-06-24 03:54:35 PM  

KiplingKat872: So if you have lung cancer, they won't treat you until you can't breathe because only then is that an emergency, and they will only treat you enough to get you breathing again. They don't have to treat the cancer.

Oh yeah. I feel so much better about this.




Before the laws that he is biatching about went on the books, they COULD turn you away at the ER.
 
2012-06-24 03:54:43 PM  
oi45.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-24 03:55:31 PM  
For all this nutjob's insane ravings, one section of his article DOES make sense:

FTFA: "After all, employers don't buy auto insurance for their employees. Why on earth should they be buying health insurance for them? The only reason is that government in all its wisdom offers them a tax break for offering health insurance it does not offer for auto insurance.

Let's get employers out of the health-care-providing business and let them give the money they spend on premiums to their employees in the form of raises."

His "solution" to the problems reminds me of Nazi Germany, where anyone sick or imperfect was deemed to be a person who should die.
 
2012-06-24 03:55:46 PM  
I bet $1 that dreck was spewed by someone with awesome health insurance
 
2012-06-24 03:55:50 PM  

Ringshadow: My brother, who is 23 and infected with College Libertarianism, told me a few days ago that you'd be better off investing the money that you'd normally put toward health insurance because "you're betting something is going to happen to you, and what if nothing does?"

I pointed out that'd make you a statistic anomaly. So hey worked out the math and said that after a decade or something, you'd have a quarter million dollars or some shiat. I don't know what logic he was using.

Needless to say he did not listen when I pointed out a quarter million dollars probably wouldn't pay for the hospital stay associated with a heart attack and, say, a stint placement.

He's never paid for his own insurance. He's on my parents' insurance still.

/I keep telling him that I'm not going to listen until he pays for his own shiat
//he replies that that's a "strawman argument"
///hoping he gets over his College Libertarianism soon


Hate to tell you this, but since your brother's a randroid at 23 (and not 17), he's beyond the critical age to learn compassion, logic, or economics.
Totaled. Write him off.
 
2012-06-24 03:57:16 PM  

Ringshadow: Yes, he still absolutely insists a libertarian government would work and that taxes are stealing, while being a college student living with his parents and on his parents insurance. I don't even.


How many Ayn Rand novels does he own?
 
2012-06-24 03:59:18 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Why don't they get back to what they do best - send shrieking letters to the FCC lamenting the whorish actions of Demi Lovato showing the back of her knee on Disney Channel that surely will drive their daughters to pulling trains for Communist hobos.


Wow, am I glad there's nobody else at work today to hear me laugh at that. Sign me up for your newsletter, stat!
 
2012-06-24 03:59:46 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Hate to tell you this, but since your brother's a randroid at 23 (and not 17), he's beyond the critical age to learn compassion, logic, or economics.


Funny thing... I'd heard of Ayn Rand by age 14 or so, but it wasn't until I was 17 I got around to reading "Atlas Shrugged". Even as a 17-year-old punk I knew it was a steaming cart of horseshiat.
 
2012-06-24 04:00:45 PM  

theorellior: Ringshadow: Yes, he still absolutely insists a libertarian government would work and that taxes are stealing, while being a college student living with his parents and on his parents insurance. I don't even.

How many Ayn Rand novels does he own?


I'm going to guess zero - he probably just checks them out from the public (or school) library, oblivious to the cognitive dissonance he displays in doing so.
 
2012-06-24 04:02:24 PM  
The word "family" appearing in a group's name is an immediate red-flag. Nine times out of ten they end up being completely insane.

Future history books on this era will be interesting. They'll have a chance to pick through the rubble and address the question: "Why was the U.S. so obsessed with farking themselves over during their decline?"
 
2012-06-24 04:02:55 PM  
After all, employers don't buy auto insurance for their employees. Why on earth should they be buying health insurance for them?

For a split second, he's accidentally right--insurance shouldn't be tied to employment.
 
2012-06-24 04:04:24 PM  
Oddly enough, I don't think my brother is a fan of Ayn Rand. But understand, my brother doesn't read fiction. At all.

/did not intend to derail thread, was just sharing my own cognitive dissonance story
 
2012-06-24 04:04:42 PM  
FTA: "Second, allow low-premium, high-deductible insurance policies. The higher the deductible, the lower the premium, and the more can be plowed into health savings accounts. This will enable Americans to build up reserves to meet the deductible in case of a major event as well as for routine medical expenses.

Health insurance should be for emergencies, not routine maintenance. We don't expect auto insurance to cover oil changes and tire rotations. It's there for accidents. And so health insurance should not be there for checkups but for major events.

If people paid out of pocket for all medical expenses up to a high deductible, they'd be much more careful about their use of medical services and they'd take better care of themselves in the meantime. The cost of medical services would come down as health care providers lowered prices to attract business.

Consumers would have an incentive to take good care of their own health and use medical services sparingly, because every dollar they save they get to keep. Right now, employees using employer-provided insurance have zero incentive to reduce the use of medical services. In fact, the incentive, perversely, is the other direction. Employees who make healthy lifestyle choices and rarely need medical care wind up with nothing to show for it, other than higher premiums to pay for other employees who don't look after themselves. "

1) They are allowed. I know. I have one. A shiatty, company provided plan ($3000 deductible combined between my wife and I but not $1500 each).

2) I have chronic conditions and have been having complications stemming from a MRSA infection I got in my legs 4 years ago. This Wednesday I am having another bone resection / amputation because I keep getting infections in the bones of my feet and nothing is stopping it. So allow me to say "Fark you in your stupid backwards asshole until you shiat buttermilk".
 
2012-06-24 04:06:35 PM  
Oh great. Now hospitals wll be mandated by Small Government Conservatives™ to put extra large dumpsters next to hospital emergency rooms. And giant Air Wicks©.
 
2012-06-24 04:06:44 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Ringshadow: My brother, who is 23 and infected with College Libertarianism, told me a few days ago that you'd be better off investing the money that you'd normally put toward health insurance because "you're betting something is going to happen to you, and what if nothing does?"

I pointed out that'd make you a statistic anomaly. So hey worked out the math and said that after a decade or something, you'd have a quarter million dollars or some shiat. I don't know what logic he was using.

Needless to say he did not listen when I pointed out a quarter million dollars probably wouldn't pay for the hospital stay associated with a heart attack and, say, a stint placement.

He's never paid for his own insurance. He's on my parents' insurance still.

/I keep telling him that I'm not going to listen until he pays for his own shiat
//he replies that that's a "strawman argument"
///hoping he gets over his College Libertarianism soon

Hate to tell you this, but since your brother's a randroid at 23 (and not 17), he's beyond the critical age to learn compassion, logic, or economics.
Totaled. Write him off.


I was born in 1972 and was a hard core Republican until the GOP chose Bush as their candidate in 2000. I guess I did a complete 180 because I can find almost nothing about the Republican party that I agree with anymore.
 
2012-06-24 04:06:55 PM  

Ringshadow: /did not intend to derail thread, was just sharing my own cognitive dissonance story


That's okay, it's stories like that that make me even more determined to prepare my children for living their own lives while they are still small and to wean them off my pocketbook soon after they reach their majority.
 
2012-06-24 04:07:24 PM  
Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed. Proverbs 19:17.

Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him. Proverbs 14:31.

He said also to the man who had invited him, "When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just." Luke 14:12-14.

And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' Matthew 25:40

And one of my personal favorites and most relevant to that article: A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge. Proverbs 29:7
 
2012-06-24 04:07:30 PM  

Ringshadow: Brother: Only two things come out of Chicago. Thugs and corrupt politicians.
Me: And pizza.
Brother: .. Fine. Thugs, corrupt politicians, and pizza. Obama is not a pizza.
Me: Maaaaybe he is a pizza.
Brother: ... I.. *walks away*


I don't know why, but that one made me laugh a lot more than I probably should've.
 
2012-06-24 04:09:24 PM  

bgddy24601: If people paid out of pocket for all medical expenses up to a high deductible, they'd be much more careful about their use of medical services and they'd take better care of themselves in the meantime. The cost of medical services would come down as health care providers lowered prices to attract business.


Yeah, they'd be less inclined to do frivolous things like get checkups that could alert them to cancer or diabetes or any other condition that they could stave off before it's too late or worse, prohibitive expensive.
 
2012-06-24 04:10:25 PM  
prohibitively that is
 
2012-06-24 04:10:53 PM  
I think this is fantastic. The American Family Association is simply admitting the supremacy of survival of the fittest, and Darwinism, over the silly preachings of the Jesus idol.
 
2012-06-24 04:11:19 PM  

Mugato: bgddy24601: If people paid out of pocket for all medical expenses up to a high deductible, they'd be much more careful about their use of medical services and they'd take better care of themselves in the meantime. The cost of medical services would come down as health care providers lowered prices to attract business.

Yeah, they'd be less inclined to do frivolous things like get checkups that could alert them to cancer or diabetes or any other condition that they could stave off before it's too late or worse, prohibitive expensive.


Hey, you know what they say: "A pound of prevention or an ounce of cure."

/something like that
 
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