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(Some creationist social Darwinian)   The American Family Association says there is a very simple way to reduce healthcare costs: If you can't pay, hospitals should not have to treat you   (afa.net) divider line 412
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2012-06-24 02:47:22 PM  
Here are his six recommendations:

1) Repeal EMTALA. Because you should die because a thief stole your wallet with your insurance card.

2) "Allow" low premium, high-deductible insurance. Because families making $30,000 a year can eat dirt and live under a bridge.

3) Repeal all coverage mandates. Because I shouldn't have to cover my neighbor's costs for having the audacity to get cancer.

4) Let insurance companies sell across state lines based on regulations in the state of origin rather than the state of sale. Because all insurance companies should be based in Connecticut after they won the race to the bottom.

5) Implement California-style tort reform. Because that worked out so well for all the states that tried it before now.

6) Extend the employer tax exclusion to individuals purchasing their own insurance . Because insurance companies need even more tax-free money shoveled into their vaults.

AHIP must have paid him a fortune for that ludicrous piece of smarmy bullshiat that would only bankrupt the poor and make our country even more like the feudal societies of old.
 
2012-06-24 02:48:14 PM  
Proving once again that the best way to isolate a group of morons is to let them do it themselves.
 
2012-06-24 02:48:18 PM  
The american right-wing has completely lost its mind.

People look back at the Germans and wonder how they could ever have been evil and stupid enough to support the Nazi party. Time to look at the path you're on then take a long sober look in the mirror and ask if your rhetoric is really leading to something positive.
 
2012-06-24 02:48:34 PM  

ultraholland: born_yesterday: /But they pay their preachers good money to tell them they are the righteous.

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Why do you hate the free market?


"How much for an indulgence?"

"Can I get those supersized for really big sins?"
 
2012-06-24 02:52:05 PM  
And another thing... so if we did this then hospitals and doctors and other health-care related fields would decide to lower costs?

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2012-06-24 02:52:09 PM  
I think terminally ill people should strap bombs to their bodies, and walk into houses of worship, and ask the congregation therein if their god (small g) can perform a quick miracle or two.
 
2012-06-24 02:52:23 PM  

HeartBurnKid: FTFA: What we lack is not the way but the will.

Oh, if only we could find the will! That would truly be a triumph. A triumph of the will, if you will.


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2012-06-24 02:52:38 PM  
Humans have spent millenia forming societies, with the understanding that collectively we are stronger and better than as individuals. Why are conservatives so intent on destroying that?

Oh, I think I answered my own question.
 
2012-06-24 02:54:03 PM  

Vangor: king of vegas: Basic strategy: If the organization has the word "Family" in its title then it's an evil hate bigot operation.

Axiom of Organization Names: The stronger the name of an organization attempts to convince you of the motivations of the organization, the further from those motivations the organization truly is.


Like the Natl Assoc. for the Advancement of Colored People? Southern Poverty Law Center? Your axiom fits perfect for those groups

(No fan of AFA....nothing they do really helps "families")
 
2012-06-24 02:56:50 PM  
It's like they're just trolling us at this point.
 
2012-06-24 02:58:22 PM  
You have to hand it to the fiscal conservatives, the 1%s and the plain ole sociopaths -- they got the Christians in America to forsake most of the productive messages like 'eye of the needle' etc. and got everyone to embrace prosperity doctrine. Now our society is more 'I've got mine' than ever. At the rate our country is going, with both republicans and democrats embracing conservative policies, our country will be a third world shiathole in no time.
 
2012-06-24 02:58:51 PM  
Between this and their stand on birth control, it seems to me that conservatives really want a return to the Middle Ages, where you had seventeen kids in the hopes that one or two would survive past the age of ten. That'll certainly keep women out of the workplace...

Now, if only they could get rid of all this pesky technology, we'd be back to an agricultural subsistence economy dependent exclusively on the whims of an angry God in no time! A few good famines will get people back into the churches, amirite?
 
2012-06-24 02:58:51 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Like the Natl Assoc. for the Advancement of Colored People? Southern Poverty Law Center? Your axiom fits perfect for those groups


NAACP you may be correct on, though I would argue "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People" is a somewhat meek name. Compare this to the "American Family Association" which apparently exists to defend all American families... For SPLC, I do not see a strong pronunciation in the name.
 
2012-06-24 03:00:59 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: mrshowrules: Fireman service use to be free market also.

a) you could refuse to put out a fire if the owner couldn't pay

b) develop a system by which the burden of this service was shared equitably

There was a case last year where firemen watched a house burn down because the owner hadn't paid his fire district fee.


He knew the risks. He wasn't entitled to service since he was outside their protection area. He chose to not pay his share and attempted to free load.
 
2012-06-24 03:01:55 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: There was a case last year where firemen watched a house burn down because the owner hadn't paid his fire district fee.


Damn straight. And if someone breaks into your house, takes your valuables, rapes your wife, and kills your kid you should have cash on-hand to pay the officers when they arrive. And if the catch the guy, you should have to pay for the trial and for the cost of incarceration for the bad guy. Anything less is socialism.
 
2012-06-24 03:03:53 PM  
They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into - I say let 'em crash!
 
2012-06-24 03:04:01 PM  

incendi: You'll just have to bleed out while the police take down your info, and hope they catch the perp and find your wallet before you die.


That means that the perp is now a murderer, and can be put away for life to make widgets for the prison industry for no pay! Win-win!
 
2012-06-24 03:06:07 PM  
Why is that the organizations with the word family in it are usually the ones that are least interested in actually helping families?
 
2012-06-24 03:10:02 PM  
You christians are farking nuts. Seriously, WTF is wrong with you people?
 
2012-06-24 03:10:31 PM  

Marshal805: Proving once again that the best way to isolate a group of morons is to let them do it themselves.


That's weird, I read that as group of mormons.
 
2012-06-24 03:11:20 PM  
So...Christians will help the sick anyway, regardless of whether there's a law making them...but don't keep the law making them. What the fark? Same people say if you eliminate the minimum wage, companies will pay employees more. You know, just because they're so nice. What a farking moron.

"Sell across state lines....tort reform"

Same hat, different brim, go fark yourself.
 
2012-06-24 03:12:34 PM  

WTF Indeed: [j.wigflip.com image 607x654]


Jesus never told his followers to look to government to do their charity work for them. I think you missed a big part of that whole voluntary charity thing.
 
2012-06-24 03:13:08 PM  
Most hospitals were started by Christians or Christian organizations, and will find a way to offer care to the indigent whether the federal government is standing over them with a cudgel or not.

So then the fact that you have the government standing over you with a cudgel is meaningless. If you're going to do the same thing whether or not you're required to, than eliminating the requirement to do it isn't going to change a goddamn thing.
 
2012-06-24 03:13:30 PM  
The unholy marriage between Christianity and Objectivism needs to end. I mean, it's contradictory and insane, so it'll probably turn into a divorce anyway, but the sooner the better.
 
2012-06-24 03:13:56 PM  
There was no such emergency room law prior to the one Ronald Reagan - yes, that smaller government, government-is-not-the solution Ronald Reagan - signed in 1986. For the first 200 years of our life as a republic, hospitals through charity and charitable donations offered health care to the neediest among us, and did so without anybody having to order them to do it.

Well, if the hospitals were already doing it, and able to afford doing so, then the law wouldn't have changed a damn thing, would it? They would have just said "Oh, as a matter of federal law, we now have to change not a farking thing about the way we do business." So either the author is wrong and hospitals were NOT already treating the indigent, or something happened around that time that conviced people to no longer support welfare queens who couldn't pull their own weight.
 
2012-06-24 03:14:02 PM  

CujoQuarrel: BarkingUnicorn: mrshowrules: Fireman service use to be free market also.

a) you could refuse to put out a fire if the owner couldn't pay

b) develop a system by which the burden of this service was shared equitably

There was a case last year where firemen watched a house burn down because the owner hadn't paid his fire district fee.

He knew the risks. He wasn't entitled to service since he was outside their protection area. He chose to not pay his share and attempted to free load.


I agree with you. I was just pointing out that fire service is still a free market.
 
2012-06-24 03:14:28 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yep, this sounds like something Jesus would support. Jesus also seems like the sort of guy who would be angered at even the thought of universal health care.


Yep. I Republicans 6:66:"And the Lord spake 'Verily I say unto thee, I gots mine, so fark you. Thus sayeth the LORD'".
 
2012-06-24 03:14:46 PM  
These are the same folks who want the gub'mint to stay out of their Medicare...
 
2012-06-24 03:15:16 PM  

MagnesDrachen: So...Christians will help the sick anyway, regardless of whether there's a law making them...but don't keep the law making them. What the fark?


It gets even better. Even though the Christians will continue helping them anyway, getting rid of the law making them will save money, somehow.
 
2012-06-24 03:15:58 PM  

sprgrss: Why is that the organizations with the word family in it are usually the ones that are least interested in actually helping families?


They mean their own families, not yours!
 
2012-06-24 03:17:37 PM  
If ObamaCare is shot down by the Supreme Court, as it certainly should be, the possibility of major health care reform will be sitting right in front of us. We can preserve the status quo, which nobody likes or should like, or we can make reforms that will reduce costs and improve access to health care for every American for decades to come. It will be time to choose. Let's choose wisely.

Now THAT is some quality cognitive dissonance. "The status quo challenging, cost cutting, access improving healthcare reforms should be struck down by the Supreme Court to allow us to... reform healthcare by challenging the status quo, cutting costs, and improving access."
 
2012-06-24 03:17:57 PM  
What if the patient is a fetus?
 
2012-06-24 03:19:49 PM  

Kome: Now THAT is some quality cognitive dissonance. "The status quo challenging


Yep, nothing says "challenge the status quo" like mandating that people do business with the insurance companies that created the problem.
 
2012-06-24 03:20:01 PM  
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2012-06-24 03:20:26 PM  
So let me see if I understand what he's proposing...

A man gets into a automobile accident, and the ambulance shows up. The guy is unconscious and bleeding profusely. The first thing the EMT does is fish around looking for the guy's wallet, to find proof of insurance. Whoops, no insurance card. The EMTs take off the cops tow the car out of the intersection and leave the guy to die? That's it?

Or do ambulances still have to take him to the hospital, and they leave him to bleed to death on the sidewalk outside? Or do they have a "death zone" where they leave the unconscious but still alive.
 
2012-06-24 03:20:26 PM  

balki1867: What if the patient is a fetus?


bravo!
 
2012-06-24 03:20:59 PM  

Serious Black: 4) Let insurance companies sell across state lines based on regulations in the state of origin rather than the state of sale. Because all insurance companies should be based in Connecticut after they won the race to the bottom.

5) Implement California-style tort reform. Because that worked out so well for all the states that tried it before now.


It amazes me that people still believe bullshiat like this when there is proof out there that IT DOESN'T WORK!!!

Why don't we call #4 for what it really is, deregulating the insurance industry.
 
2012-06-24 03:21:12 PM  

HeartBurnKid: FTFA: What we lack is not the way but the will.

Oh, if only we could find the will! That would truly be a triumph. A triumph of the will, if you will.


I thought they had a will.

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Oh well. If their will is forgotten, that will be for the best.
 
2012-06-24 03:21:52 PM  
czei: The first thing the EMT does is fish around looking for the guy's wallet,

this is not a hypothetical
 
2012-06-24 03:22:07 PM  
My brother, who is 23 and infected with College Libertarianism, told me a few days ago that you'd be better off investing the money that you'd normally put toward health insurance because "you're betting something is going to happen to you, and what if nothing does?"

I pointed out that'd make you a statistic anomaly. So hey worked out the math and said that after a decade or something, you'd have a quarter million dollars or some shiat. I don't know what logic he was using.

Needless to say he did not listen when I pointed out a quarter million dollars probably wouldn't pay for the hospital stay associated with a heart attack and, say, a stint placement.

He's never paid for his own insurance. He's on my parents' insurance still.

/I keep telling him that I'm not going to listen until he pays for his own shiat
//he replies that that's a "strawman argument"
///hoping he gets over his College Libertarianism soon
 
2012-06-24 03:22:38 PM  
And in the same breath and sentence exclaim that 'Merica is the greatest country in the world.

Idontwanttoliveonthisplanetanymore.jpeg.
 
2012-06-24 03:22:42 PM  

paygun: Kome: Now THAT is some quality cognitive dissonance. "The status quo challenging

Yep, nothing says "challenge the status quo" like mandating that people do business with the insurance companies that created the problem.


That's the adjective you have a problem with? By definition, if it will change how things are done, it can accurately be described as challenging the status quo.
 
2012-06-24 03:23:10 PM  

jake_lex: Ah, I love the "pro-life" movement. If you're a fetus or a vegetable, they got your back. Between those two times, however, go fark yourself, you're on your own.


Preborn, you're good, preschool, you're farked.

/George is oddly appropriate a lot today...
 
2012-06-24 03:23:37 PM  
Jesus wept.
 
2012-06-24 03:24:11 PM  

Kome: That's the adjective you have a problem with? By definition, if it will change how things are done, it can accurately be described as challenging the status quo.


You really believe that for-profit insurance companies managing our healthcare is change? How?
 
2012-06-24 03:24:23 PM  
You are a bad person, Bryan Fischer.
 
2012-06-24 03:25:29 PM  
Ringshadow: My brother, who is 23 and infected with College Libertarianism, told me a few days ago that you'd be better off investing the money that you'd normally put toward health insurance because "you're betting something is going to happen to you, and what if nothing does?"

tell him that he's farking retarded if he never thinks he will use health care services, and a person with that level of stupidity shouldn't be entrusted with money for investments
 
2012-06-24 03:26:25 PM  
I swear, as an atheist I sometimes think I should convert to Christianity just to demonstrate to those morans just how it's supposed to be done.
 
2012-06-24 03:27:07 PM  

Karac: There was no such emergency room law prior to the one Ronald Reagan - yes, that smaller government, government-is-not-the solution Ronald Reagan - signed in 1986. For the first 200 years of our life as a republic, hospitals through charity and charitable donations offered health care to the neediest among us, and did so without anybody having to order them to do it.

Well, if the hospitals were already doing it, and able to afford doing so, then the law wouldn't have changed a damn thing, would it? They would have just said "Oh, as a matter of federal law, we now have to change not a farking thing about the way we do business." So either the author is wrong and hospitals were NOT already treating the indigent, or something happened around that time that conviced people to no longer support welfare queens who couldn't pull their own weight.


So Ronald said maybe he went too far, and it wasn't a good idea for hospitals to be letting people bleed out on the emergency room floor? farking RINO.
 
2012-06-24 03:27:07 PM  

czei: So let me see if I understand what he's proposing...

A man gets into a automobile accident, and the ambulance shows up. The guy is unconscious and bleeding profusely. The first thing the EMT does is fish around looking for the guy's wallet, to find proof of insurance. Whoops, no insurance card. The EMTs take off the cops tow the car out of the intersection and leave the guy to die? That's it?

Or do ambulances still have to take him to the hospital, and they leave him to bleed to death on the sidewalk outside? Or do they have a "death zone" where they leave the unconscious but still alive.


Oddly enough, your first scenario isn't without precedent. That's more or less how firefighters worked a while back in England. Insurance companies hired their own fire brigades. They put out fires, but only for buildings that had a specific insurance plan. Each insurance company basically had their own crew of firefighters, but they would still be sent out to any instance of a fire. If it turned out the building that was on fire, or nearby buildings which could catch on fire, didn't carry their company's insurance, they would just leave.
 
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