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2012-06-24 12:44:31 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: My realist side admits that democracy is messy, newly formed democracies even more so.


Democracy was never clean to begin with. DemocracyTM in a contemporary sense means populist aristocracy for your average dumb citizens. I think contemporary democracy doesn't really have any political value for everyone per se; it's closer of having a solid tool-like value for interest groups. So we can arguably say that today's democracy around the world is a for-profit money-making business masqueraded as politics. The world has prospered with the great help of good things called Capitalism (with a Capital C) and the rule of law. Then what about democracy? I don't know.
 
2012-06-24 12:45:42 PM
I give the pyramids 9 months before the brotherhood blows them all up.
 
2012-06-24 12:46:00 PM

smazzocity: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

Here you are: http://tinyurl.com/7aalf9m


img802.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-24 12:46:32 PM

Gleeman: Then why even bother having an election? Not like the rest of the world is actually going to do anything if the military comes out and publicly admits they've been holding the reins for the last few decades like everyone already knows.


It's much like Iran. The President gets to make a lot of public speeches and be the face of the country, but has very little actual power.
 
2012-06-24 12:46:40 PM

Gleeman: Lost Thought 00: Gleeman: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

And politicians never ever go back on their campaign promises.

Sunshine and puppies for everyone!

The Egyptian President doesn't have control over the Military

Then why even bother having an election? Not like the rest of the world is actually going to do anything if the military comes out and publicly admits they've been holding the reins for the last few decades like everyone already knows.


Baby steps, man. This isn't the New World 1775 or so. They can't jump straight into a Western Civ style democracy straight from a military dictatorship. They're still feeling their way through this.

Realistically speaking, I expect to see the secular liberals continue to exist in their government if only to counter balance the MB. The military will see to that.

The military will continue to exist outside the government's control until such time that the government can be trusted to go along with the global status quo. As in, no overt warfare against Israel. The Sinai Canal is simply too important to national trade to have open conflict in the region.
 
2012-06-24 12:49:21 PM
And with a great "Allah Akhbar"!! the Brotherhood then whipped Egypt into a frenzy and marched on Israel only to discover Israel wasn't kidding about defending itself ...

imagecache6.allposters.com

The End
 
2012-06-24 12:49:39 PM

ordinarysteve: Safwat Hegazi


i.imgur.com

You certainly seem to be right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safwat_Hijazi

Safwat Hijazi
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Safwat Hijazi or Safwat Hegazi is an Egyptian imam and television preacher who is on the list of "Individuals banned from the UK for stirring-up hatred".[1]
The government of the United Kingdom declared that he is "considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by glorifying terrorist violence."
Hijazi was investigated in Egypt in 2006 for issuing a fatwā calling for the death of visiting Israeli officials. He later withdrew the fatwa.[2]
On December 3, 2008 Hijazi made the statement about Israeli Jews; "Dispatch those sons of apes and pigs to the Hellfire on the wings of Qassam rockets."[3]
In 2009 he declared in a television interview that Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and the Baha'i Faith were not religions but were man-made. He said Baha'is were a current danger and fought alongside Zionists in 1948.[4]


Is there any indication in the clip when that speech actually took place?

And/or anyone know what role this guy might have in the government, or the Muslim Brotherhood, or his relationship to Morsi?
 
2012-06-24 12:49:52 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
Which one of you is this guy? I'm sensing strong overtones of 'murica...fark ya in here
 
2012-06-24 12:50:12 PM
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/06/24/222413.html

This kat clearly felt his wife had enough rights before beating her to death for not voting for Mursi.

/Allahu Akbar
//Heavy Trolling
///Allahu Akbar
 
2012-06-24 12:51:57 PM
Interesting how the military still retains control of the country, and this Morsi guy is just a puppet with little power.

Poor Egypt and her people remain under a military dictatorship that takes its orders from the United States Department of Defense.
 
2012-06-24 12:51:57 PM

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way


You mean like in Pakistan, a country whose entire policies are paranoid, delusional, and which conducts a foreign policy of borderline-suicidal brinksmanship? Or the Argentine Junta? Or...

fark, I don't know why I'm bothering. It's hard to tell the bigoted imbeciles from the trolls in this thread, but all of them are going on the list.

/I've got a little list.
//No I don't. I have a farking great long list.
 
2012-06-24 12:52:08 PM

JerseyTim: Morsi wins the election and Mubarek in a coma. I know, I know. It's serious


lol

/Do you really think he'll pull through?
 
2012-06-24 12:53:43 PM

quickdraw: snocone: Some form of Christianity is in the genes

8/10 - youll get some bites for sure. The combination of science terms and Jesus talk is a nice touch.


I have no issues with this. Science and religion can co-exist. Too many disrespectful fools, secular and religious, make it difficult. Things work in a certain way (science seeks these answers), why can't the process have been started by a deity (religion says god started it). I see no evidence in scripture to indicate science is right or wrong in its activity. Science does not have an explanation for everything so faith a deity did it cannot be proven right or wrong.

"Scientists are the Devil's minion's"
"Religion is for the stupid"

/My more base instincts want me to nail people in both extremes in the genitals with bean bag rounds out of my shotgun. Don't want to kill them, just teach some manners. Good thing I am above base instincts.
 
2012-06-24 12:53:55 PM

Goodfella: Interesting how the military still retains control of the country, and this Morsi guy is just a puppet with little power.

Poor Egypt and her people remain under a military dictatorship that takes its orders from the United States Department of Defense.


Speaking a human being, this is a terrible thing and I wish them luck in finding their way to true freedom.

Speaking a human being lucky enough to be born in the U.S, I'm okay with the current state of Egypt's unofficial military government.
 
2012-06-24 12:54:37 PM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


It looks like they are basing their brand of Islamism off of Turkey. Not an entirely bad move. An organically created authentic Middle Eastern democracy won't look like the US or European style, and that is a good thing. Also, women do not cover their head in Turkey and they have an Islamist party governing. I don't actually know their particular stance, but it is not at all that rare to have an explicitly religious party governing an explicitly secular state and like it that way. It would be saying Germany is a Christian hellhole because it's governed by the Christian Democrats.
 
2012-06-24 12:56:40 PM
So, if I understand this correctly, it means Sarah Palin automatically becomes the Queen of Sheba and Obama has to build her a pyramid.
 
2012-06-24 12:56:59 PM

Aikidogamer: quickdraw: snocone: Some form of Christianity is in the genes

8/10 - youll get some bites for sure. The combination of science terms and Jesus talk is a nice touch.

I have no issues with this. Science and religion can co-exist. Too many disrespectful fools, secular and religious, make it difficult. Things work in a certain way (science seeks these answers), why can't the process have been started by a deity (religion says god started it). I see no evidence in scripture to indicate science is right or wrong in its activity. Science does not have an explanation for everything so faith a deity did it cannot be proven right or wrong.

"Scientists are the Devil's minion's"
"Religion is for the stupid"

/My more base instincts want me to nail people in both extremes in the genitals with bean bag rounds out of my shotgun. Don't want to kill them, just teach some manners. Good thing I am above base instincts.


We'll stop calling them dumb when they stop building theme parks putting people in the era as the dinosaurs and expecting us to take them seriously.

When they stop trying to gut science education in the name of religious freedom, then we'll stop calling them stupid.

When they embrace discovery and scientific achievement rather than condemn it as 'Satanic', then we'll stop mocking them.
 
2012-06-24 12:58:52 PM

ordinarysteve: Perhaps they completely lied but they have been in power for a day


I think I share your view here. Give them the benefit of the doubt, but prepare for the worst. I don't trust the MB, but if they are accountable to the democratic process it should temper them. Then again, preparing for a reality in which they do act as every bigot assumes they will is a responsible thing to do.
 
2012-06-24 12:59:12 PM
I'm sure everything will work out fine.
 
2012-06-24 01:00:20 PM

Infernalist: Baby steps, man. This isn't the New World 1775 or so. They can't jump straight into a Western Civ style democracy straight from a military dictatorship. They're still feeling their way through this.


It only took 1 turn of anarchy in Civ 1, and they've already used that up, so I fully expect everyone to get back to work. The military garrisons should be more than enough to prevent any unrest!
 
2012-06-24 01:01:59 PM
Hey, you libs aren't worried about this, are you?
I mean, Islam is the religion of Peace, right?

I'm sure the USA did something bad to them to make them dislike us and it has nothing to do with their religion, right?

I mean, even if ALL 300 million of us converted, we'd still have Muslims who hate us because we aren't Sunni, or Shia or Wahabbi, right?

There is a huge difference between reality and what many of us were taught reality SHOULD be. Our president is the king of this. I mean, all of that apologizing and bowing changed everything, right?

Flame on, Libbys, I never read them anyway.
 
2012-06-24 01:02:41 PM

Lupine Chemist: Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?

It looks like they are basing their brand of Islamism off of Turkey. Not an entirely bad move. An organically created authentic Middle Eastern democracy won't look like the US or European style, and that is a good thing. Also, women do not cover their head in Turkey and they have an Islamist party governing. I don't actually know their particular stance, but it is not at all that rare to have an explicitly religious party governing an explicitly secular state and like it that way. It would be saying Germany is a Christian hellhole because it's governed by the Christian Democrats.


Yeah, it sounds like he's leaning toward being an Erdogan and his party. Of course, there are a lot of secular and moderate people in Turkey who fear they are trying to turn Turkey into an Islamist state. And just because Mursi says he is going to respect women, minorities, and democracy does not mean that he actually will. Actions will speak much louder than words. As a secular liberal, I certainly wouldn't vote for an Erdogan or Mursi (or modern US Republican), but just the simple fact of being elected isn't the end of the world or of Egyptian democracy. We and most importantly, Egyptians, will have to see what his actions are and try to hold him accountable.
 
2012-06-24 01:02:57 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.


Nah, the thing I really loved is showing the hypocrisy of the right.

For nearly a decade, we heard the GOP go on and on about how we should spread democracy in the Middle East (while we were blowing up Iraq).

Fast forward nearly 10 years later and those same people are outraged that democracy is spreading to Egypt because the Egyptians are not voting for the people we wanted them to vote for.

Honestly, whatever happens there is none of our farking business.
 
2012-06-24 01:03:03 PM

foxyshadis: Infernalist: Baby steps, man. This isn't the New World 1775 or so. They can't jump straight into a Western Civ style democracy straight from a military dictatorship. They're still feeling their way through this.

It only took 1 turn of anarchy in Civ 1, and they've already used that up, so I fully expect everyone to get back to work. The military garrisons should be more than enough to prevent any unrest!


Maybe their version is the glitchy launch version and they haven't patched it yet.
 
2012-06-24 01:05:47 PM

Mrtraveler01: EvilRacistNaziFascist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.

Nah, the thing I really loved is showing the hypocrisy of the right.

For nearly a decade, we heard the GOP go on and on about how we should spread democracy in the Middle East (while we were blowing up Iraq).

Fast forward nearly 10 years later and those same people are outraged that democracy is spreading to Egypt because the Egyptians are not voting for the people we wanted them to vote for.

Honestly, whatever happens there is none of our farking business.


And the best part is when US Republicans get upset when people in Muslim countries vote for conservative religious parties.
 
2012-06-24 01:05:59 PM

Aikidogamer: I have no issues with this. Science and religion can co-exist.


Of course they can - and usually do with no problem. I was referring to the creationist crowd - which I gather you are not a member of.
 
2012-06-24 01:06:43 PM
He's dropped out of the Muslim Brotherhood and Freedom Party.
 
2012-06-24 01:07:48 PM

WorldCitizen: Mrtraveler01: EvilRacistNaziFascist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.

Nah, the thing I really loved is showing the hypocrisy of the right.

For nearly a decade, we heard the GOP go on and on about how we should spread democracy in the Middle East (while we were blowing up Iraq).

Fast forward nearly 10 years later and those same people are outraged that democracy is spreading to Egypt because the Egyptians are not voting for the people we wanted them to vote for.

Honestly, whatever happens there is none of our farking business.

And the best part is when US Republicans get upset when people in Muslim countries vote for conservative religious parties.


Of course they're upset. Those other religious conservatives aren't Christian conservatives. That makes them tools of Satan.
 
2012-06-24 01:10:30 PM
I am happy. I see more and more farkers resisting the whole Liberal Arts College indoctrinated crap. It gives me hope.

Hey, remember all fo those evil corporations you guys protested? I'll bet you are begging them for a job right now. Maybe they aren't so evil after all, no matter what your History or PoliSci prof told you.

Comparing MB to GOP is a convenient way to lump together your enemies but it has no basis in reality. It's like trying to compare Jeffrey Dahmer to Lex Luthor.

Also, the idea that all religion is bad is hysterical yammerings. Say what you want about the Born Agains, but at least they educate their women, and don't drive airplanes into buildings, kill Olympic Athletes, use the law to persecute non believers or object to ALL art, music or flying kites.
 
2012-06-24 01:11:04 PM
I never wanted to the the pyramids anyway
 
2012-06-24 01:13:46 PM

Infernalist: Goodfella: Interesting how the military still retains control of the country, and this Morsi guy is just a puppet with little power.

Poor Egypt and her people remain under a military dictatorship that takes its orders from the United States Department of Defense.

Speaking a human being, this is a terrible thing and I wish them luck in finding their way to true freedom.

Speaking a human being lucky enough to be born in the U.S, I'm okay with the current state of Egypt's unofficial military government.



Approves of your attitude:

i1004.photobucket.com


Hence the reason Americans are correctly referred to as "Little Eichmanns". The lifestyles of the members of any reigning empire, whether it be a Roman plebeian under Julius Caesar, a Kul under the Ottoman Suleiman the Magnificent, or a serf under Queen Elizabeth I, tend to be radically nationalist and disregard the basic human rights of those that their empire oppresses. America and her peasant class are no different.
 
2012-06-24 01:13:54 PM

jbar19: I am happy. I see more and more farkers resisting the whole Liberal Arts College indoctrinated crap. It gives me hope.

Hey, remember all fo those evil corporations you guys protested? I'll bet you are begging them for a job right now. Maybe they aren't so evil after all, no matter what your History or PoliSci prof told you.

Comparing MB to GOP is a convenient way to lump together your enemies but it has no basis in reality. It's like trying to compare Jeffrey Dahmer to Lex Luthor.

Also, the idea that all religion is bad is hysterical yammerings. Say what you want about the Born Agains, but at least they educate their women, and don't drive airplanes into buildings, kill Olympic Athletes, use the law to persecute non believers or object to ALL art, music or flying kites.


wtfamireading.jpg
 
2012-06-24 01:15:56 PM

jbar19: Say what you want about the Born Agains, but at least they educate their women,


Are you sure about that?

But to be fair ALL born against aren't educated in the "traditional" sense. Religious brainwashing is a kind of education right?
 
2012-06-24 01:16:13 PM

Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's
 
2012-06-24 01:16:49 PM
Jenna Jameson, and Jenna Haze could change the Muslim world.

I truly get the idea that their anger is somehow misprojected homosexual or heterosexual tension. If we dropped Porn DVDs instead of bombs we might get farther.

i read that the inmates in Gitmo smashed TVs when commercials came on where women had bare arms. And their favorite TV show is 'Deadliest Catch', you know, the one where a bunch of manly men are all alone on the high seas, isolated, living in close quarters with no women..

I'll bet Hercules movies would be REALLY big in the Muslim world.

The sad thruth is, Muslims need a Reformation that brings them in line with the 18th Century, let alone the 21st.

Who will be the John Locke of the Muslim world, the Thomas Jefferson? We are still waiting.
 
2012-06-24 01:18:21 PM

Goodfella: Infernalist: Goodfella: Interesting how the military still retains control of the country, and this Morsi guy is just a puppet with little power.

Poor Egypt and her people remain under a military dictatorship that takes its orders from the United States Department of Defense.

Speaking a human being, this is a terrible thing and I wish them luck in finding their way to true freedom.

Speaking a human being lucky enough to be born in the U.S, I'm okay with the current state of Egypt's unofficial military government.


Approves of your attitude:

[i1004.photobucket.com image 262x411]

Hence the reason Americans are correctly referred to as "Little Eichmanns". The lifestyles of the members of any reigning empire, whether it be a Roman plebeian under Julius Caesar, a Kul under the Ottoman Suleiman the Magnificent, or a serf under Queen Elizabeth I, tend to be radically nationalist and disregard the basic human rights of those that their empire oppresses. America and her peasant class are no different.


Well, no shiat, Sherlock. Am I supposed to be protesting against my government because it's doing a bang up job of ensuring that 'I' have a good life and our borders are safe and secure?

As a citizen of the world, I weep for the Egyptian people, but as a citizen of the United States, I'm perfectly fine with our government paying off the military to keep that country from going to war with Israel and throwing the region and the global economy into a farking tailspin again.

Speaking as a human being, it's a terrible thing what's happening to the Egyptians, but as an American, it's the best option available.

Also trollbait comments like 'peasant' are funny. Gimme some more.
 
2012-06-24 01:18:22 PM

Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's


I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.
 
2012-06-24 01:20:19 PM
This looks accurate Link
 
2012-06-24 01:21:40 PM

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way


terminallance.com
A rational conversation.
 
2012-06-24 01:25:00 PM

Infernalist: We'll stop calling them dumb when they stop building theme parks putting people in the era as the dinosaurs and expecting us to take them seriously.

I usually tend to not do my science in a theme park, unless it is physics, then it is just plain fun. Ooooooo....roller coaster physics problems! Don't like the park? Don't go. Wait for capitalism to work and they go away or make money just to piss you off. Ever consider picking a smaller brush. Certainly, some religious zealots believe that depiction is accurate, but not many. Also have you ever considered theme parks not repositories of knowledge and should not be treated as such?

When they stop trying to gut science education in the name of religious freedom, then we'll stop calling them stupid.

The word "gut" is going to need context for me to answer this. (funding, teaching alternate theories, offering religious comparison classes?)

When they embrace discovery and scientific achievement rather than condemn it as 'Satanic', then we'll stop mocking them.


Sentiment was covered by the whole "Scientists are Satan's minions" comment.

/If trolling, 3/10.
// If not, a good example of the disrespect for others I was talking about.
 
2012-06-24 01:25:38 PM
Note to self, invest in burka manufacturing companies.
 
2012-06-24 01:26:55 PM
Mrtraveler01
Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's

I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.


And you got 4/8 more years of Bush
 
2012-06-24 01:29:16 PM

Gdalescrboz: Millions of you libs bought Obama's

Grey Poupon?
 
2012-06-24 01:29:20 PM

Aikidogamer: Infernalist: We'll stop calling them dumb when they stop building theme parks putting people in the era as the dinosaurs and expecting us to take them seriously.

I usually tend to not do my science in a theme park, unless it is physics, then it is just plain fun. Ooooooo....roller coaster physics problems! Don't like the park? Don't go. Wait for capitalism to work and they go away or make money just to piss you off. Ever consider picking a smaller brush. Certainly, some religious zealots believe that depiction is accurate, but not many. Also have you ever considered theme parks not repositories of knowledge and should not be treated as such?

When they stop trying to gut science education in the name of religious freedom, then we'll stop calling them stupid.

The word "gut" is going to need context for me to answer this. (funding, teaching alternate theories, offering religious comparison classes?)

When they embrace discovery and scientific achievement rather than condemn it as 'Satanic', then we'll stop mocking them.

Sentiment was covered by the whole "Scientists are Satan's minions" comment.

/If trolling, 3/10.
// If not, a good example of the disrespect for others I was talking about.


Respect is given as it is received. You don't see scientists going to churches passing out copies of Darwin's 'Evolution of the Species'.
 
2012-06-24 01:30:11 PM

czetie: SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way

You mean like in Pakistan, a country whose entire policies are paranoid, delusional, and which conducts a foreign policy of borderline-suicidal brinksmanship? Or the Argentine Junta? Or...

fark, I don't know why I'm bothering. It's hard to tell the bigoted imbeciles from the trolls in this thread, but all of them are going on the list.
/I've got a little list.
//No I don't. I have a farking great long list.



notofailure.files.wordpress.com

Great way to have your world view challenged!
 
2012-06-24 01:31:12 PM

Gdalescrboz: Mrtraveler01
Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's

I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.

And you got 4/8 more years of Bush


Yeah, i should've voted for McCain. I mean he wouldn't have replicated the Bush years any better than Obama did right?

Let me guess, I should've voted for neo-confederate RON PAUL right?
 
2012-06-24 01:36:30 PM

Gdalescrboz: And you got 4/8 more years of Bush


Nah - attractive young non-mainstream President talking up liberal causes while pushing mostly mildly conservative ones, and continually opposed by a deeply conservative Congress... he's the next JFK. Remember when being Catholic meant you couldn't run for anything outside of Massachusetts?

/Survived a little longer, tho.
 
2012-06-24 01:38:59 PM
pnmedia.gamespy.com ...suddenly, he appears?
/not the same brotherhood?
 
2012-06-24 01:39:05 PM

quickdraw: Curious: not only is the average woman's life going to get a lot worse

You seem awfully sure of that and Im wondering why.


ordinarysteve: MB has said they will support the Camp David Peace accord, as well as protecting women and minority rights.


because unlike ordinarysteve i don't believe them. they are trying like crazy to project rationality but (like the republicans) their base is going to rip them for that.

there is a complicating factor in the military that none of us can adequately predict right now. Egypt's best long term prospects are for an open society but the same can be said for Afghanistan and you know how well that's working out.
 
2012-06-24 01:40:20 PM

quickdraw: Aikidogamer: I have no issues with this. Science and religion can co-exist.

Of course they can - and usually do with no problem. I was referring to the creationist crowd - which I gather you are not a member of.


I am in the sense that the Big Bang occurred and that mass had to come from somewhere. Also things since the Big Bang have happened fortuitously to create life and many other things we see. Some say random, but because God was bored is about as good of explanation too. I also like the idea of another plane of existence when my time is up on this one, not that I have any issue using science to prolong said time (would enjoy having cybernetic implants or stem cell replicated organs to extend life).

In the sense that the earth is only 6k years old....no. Take the Bible completely literally...HELL NO. (dead languages, translation assumptions, and the fact it was passed down by word make me think it can't possibly be the complete word of God anymore. That is just ignoring good sense and human nature)
 
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