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(Ahram Online)   Muslim Brotherhood's Mohammed Mursi wins Egyptian presidential election, becoming the first non-military president of Egypt   (english.ahram.org.eg ) divider line
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2012-06-24 12:09:21 PM  
Didn't the ruling military council just strip many of the presidential powers last week? If so the military is still running things. New boss same as the old boss, etc.
 
2012-06-24 12:09:29 PM  

Almet: Egyptians went to the square because of oppression, lack of economic mobility, and neglecting their young people and potential middle class. It wasn't a lack of islamic law, or martyrdom, or Allah. If the MB doesn't focus on secular manners in an intelligent and equitable way, they're farked.

I wpuld guess that the egyptian equivalent of baby boomers (only with way more xenophobia) put the MB in power, and if the MB and boomers try to fark over the revolutionary class, it'll Tahrir square all over again.

The revolutionary spirit is still there, the demands are still there, and if no ones meets them, the protesters will be back.


Oh, don't be silly. The MB is evil and will force the military to invade Israel in spite of the fact that the military can simply ignore the MB at this point if they felt like it.

Evil, I say....EVIL.

/hyperbole is fun!
 
2012-06-24 12:09:30 PM  

LawrencePerson: Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.


Click link. See main 'war with Israel' link goes to Memri.

Congratulations, you just bought yourself some A-grade Israeli ultra-rightist bullshiat.
 
2012-06-24 12:11:11 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Didn't the ruling military council just strip many of the presidential powers last week? If so the military is still running things. New boss same as the old boss, etc.


Yes. The President has no power, and the military directly controls all legislative responsibilities.
 
2012-06-24 12:11:30 PM  

Offender: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

It would be fishy if they didn't get involved in an election, since they have labeled themselves from the beginning as a political group. So, you probably won't find that reference anywhere.


Or somebody already posted a link to the CNN article earlier in the thread that not only shows exactly what he was talking about, but the MB rep that was quoted in the article? Mohammed Morsi. Don't you look stupid?
 
2012-06-24 12:13:53 PM  
This is bad news for:

i466.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-24 12:14:49 PM  

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way


This is what so many Western observers fail to understand, that when all you have is a choice between a horrible dictatorship unfriendly to you and a horrible dictatorship sympathetic to you, it's only rational to side with the latter. There is no other option on the table. As long as the vast majority of the population of Egypt remains illiterate and possessed of religiously fundamentalist views, there will be no possibility of a Western style democracy in Egypt, ever.

Sorry, but Twitter isn't going to save the world after all.
 
2012-06-24 12:14:57 PM  

humanshrapnel: FTFA: Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohamed Mursi beats off military man Ahmed Shafiq to become Egypt's Boobies-uprising president

So that's what it takes to be president of Egypt?


Beat me to it! Damn....
 
2012-06-24 12:15:37 PM  

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.
 
2012-06-24 12:16:08 PM  

Aikidogamer: humanshrapnel: FTFA: Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohamed Mursi beats off military man Ahmed Shafiq to become Egypt's Boobies-uprising president

So that's what it takes to be president of Egypt?

Beat me to it! Damn....


coppermine.constantmayhem.com
 
2012-06-24 12:16:49 PM  

Infernalist: There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.


I think you should beat some sense into them.
 
2012-06-24 12:17:03 PM  
I for one welcome Egypt to the eighteenth century. In a couple hundred years and they can join us in the 21st. Baby steps, people. Baby steps.
 
2012-06-24 12:17:08 PM  
Having done a bit of my own reading into the subject of their backtracking on the whole 'presidential candidate' thing, I found this:

Link

It appears as if Egypt's political scene is a mess of secular and liberal activists working against the more traditional and religious-minded MB which wants to return to a more 'pure' society based around the dominant religion of the region.

Sound familiar, anyone?
 
2012-06-24 12:17:27 PM  

LawrencePerson: Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.

I wonder how long it would take the IDF to recapture Sinai. I'm putting the over/under at 72 hours.


Meh... I'm putting all of Egypt at 72 hours. The Sinai is but a tollbooth on the way to Libya. Israel will secure the Gulf of Aqueba and/or the Suez Canal Zone if the Muslim Brotherhood won't. Period.

/not a repeat from the 50's
 
2012-06-24 12:17:34 PM  
War with Israel is exactly what is needed to start the Second Coming/Rapture. A lot of nutjob Xians are OK with this.
 
2012-06-24 12:17:50 PM  
Lordy lordy... here is one of those threads where American conservatives care about women's rights. Brown foreign women at that! Tell me another one, boys! Muslims!!! Booga Booga!
 
2012-06-24 12:18:08 PM  

darkedgefan: Why do we let these retards vote anyway? Yes, I know we really can't do much in this world since no one fears the U.S anymore. But would have been nice if we could have done something... Now we have to deal with a new radical Islamic gov in the Middle East. Yea!!


WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!! is the cause of a great many evils perpetuated throughout history, and tends to snowball quickly, often to the horror of who originally called for something, anything to be done.
 
2012-06-24 12:18:14 PM  

AlanSmithee: Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?

My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.


Whom did she vote for? Not all Muslims support Islamist regimes. I hope she's right, but since her butt is safely in Canada, she won't have to live with the ramifications either way.
 
2012-06-24 12:18:25 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population

wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned

Explain to the class why you think I'm wrong. Provide references.


/pats u on the head
go back to the child's table. if you don't know you're spouting derapge, you really need to go back drinking your kool-aid.
 
2012-06-24 12:18:33 PM  

uber humper: Infernalist: There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.

I think you should beat some sense into them.


I would, but they'd probably like it.
 
2012-06-24 12:20:23 PM  
All the cops in the donut shop say, "Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh".
 
2012-06-24 12:20:58 PM  

LawrencePerson: Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.

I wonder how long it would take the IDF to recapture Sinai. I'm putting the over/under at 72 hours.


Your blog sucks, and you are a chickenhawk pussy.
 
2012-06-24 12:22:36 PM  

Infernalist: Having done a bit of my own reading into the subject of their backtracking on the whole 'presidential candidate' thing, I found this:

Link


Good stuff. FYFA:

Morsi's victory caps off more than a week of behind-the-scenes negotiations between the Brotherhood and the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF). He claimed victory just hours after last week's runoff election, based on unofficial numbers tallied by the Brotherhood, but the commission delayed its official announcement until Sunday.

In the intervening days, Khairat al-Shater, the Brotherhood's political boss, met generals from SCAF at least once. Sources say they were negotiating exactly what powers the president will have.


Sounds like they're still muddling their way to a Turkish-style government.
 
2012-06-24 12:22:57 PM  

diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population

wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned

Explain to the class why you think I'm wrong. Provide references.

/pats u on the head
go back to the child's table. if you don't know you're spouting derapge, you really need to go back drinking your kool-aid.


You got nothin', then. FJP is to the left of the Republicans, and right-wingers are pissing their pants over the "new Islamist state".
 
2012-06-24 12:23:15 PM  
MB? You mean Lee Myung-Bak?

upload.wikimedia.org

This South Korean president is a Christian Fundamentalist. And he's a white collar financial terrorist. That's presidential democracy for you. You vote for the most controversial person in a certain country to lead a nation. What in the world is going on?
 
2012-06-24 12:24:18 PM  

Infernalist: uber humper: Infernalist: There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.

I think you should beat some sense into them.

I would, but they'd probably like it.


You sir, will have a bright future in MIddle Eastern politics.
 
2012-06-24 12:24:41 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Infernalist: Having done a bit of my own reading into the subject of their backtracking on the whole 'presidential candidate' thing, I found this:

Link

Good stuff. FYFA:

Morsi's victory caps off more than a week of behind-the-scenes negotiations between the Brotherhood and the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF). He claimed victory just hours after last week's runoff election, based on unofficial numbers tallied by the Brotherhood, but the commission delayed its official announcement until Sunday.

In the intervening days, Khairat al-Shater, the Brotherhood's political boss, met generals from SCAF at least once. Sources say they were negotiating exactly what powers the president will have.

Sounds like they're still muddling their way to a Turkish-style government.


This is not a bad thing to my way of thinking.

And what happened here? Where'd all the hysterical women go? C'mon fellas, the thread is dying, get in here and tell us all about how terrible it is that some other religion in some other country has minimal influence over their countrymen.
 
2012-06-24 12:25:15 PM  

moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.


I got a bridge you might be interested in buying........
 
2012-06-24 12:25:53 PM  

Nogale: AlanSmithee: Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?

My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.

Whom did she vote for? Not all Muslims support Islamist regimes. I hope she's right, but since her butt is safely in Canada, she won't have to live with the ramifications either way.


I don't know who she voted for. But she's like the typical Canadian Muslim, progressive and a big believer in democracy.
The ramifications for her are huge. She spends a lot of time in Egypt, and a lot of her family and loved ones are still there.
 
2012-06-24 12:25:58 PM  

AlanSmithee: My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.


And yet... she's returning to Canada.

/NTTAWWT
 
2012-06-24 12:26:02 PM  

uber humper: Infernalist: uber humper: Infernalist: There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.

I think you should beat some sense into them.

I would, but they'd probably like it.

You sir, will have a bright future in MIddle Eastern politics.


I'm not nearly fond enough of shrouded women. I like my Middle Eastern girls in harem outfits, to be honest.
 
2012-06-24 12:26:58 PM  

moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.


And politicians never ever go back on their campaign promises.

Sunshine and puppies for everyone!
 
2012-06-24 12:27:31 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

I got a bridge you might be interested in buying........


Do you 'really' think that the Egyptian military will do anything other than what the U.S wants?

If so, then lol@u
 
2012-06-24 12:27:35 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

I got a bridge you might be interested in buying........


Why, is it the one you bought from London that is currently gathering dust out in Arizona?
 
2012-06-24 12:27:53 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population

wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned

Explain to the class why you think I'm wrong. Provide references.

/pats u on the head
go back to the child's table. if you don't know you're spouting derapge, you really need to go back drinking your kool-aid.

You got nothin', then. FJP is to the left of the Republicans, and right-wingers are pissing their pants over the "new Islamist state".


Awwww... you got your feelings hurt. I am soo sorry babe... now run along and play with your friends.
 
2012-06-24 12:28:59 PM  

Infernalist: This is not a bad thing to my way of thinking.


My idealist side is all for democracy and freedom.

My realist side admits that democracy is messy, newly formed democracies even more so. Plus the military doesn't want to scare off the teat of American aid. So here we are.
 
2012-06-24 12:29:12 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

I got a bridge you might be interested in buying........


Yea, didn't he already say that Jerusalem will be the new capital?
 
2012-06-24 12:30:35 PM  

Gleeman: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

And politicians never ever go back on their campaign promises.

Sunshine and puppies for everyone!


The Egyptian President doesn't have control over the Military
 
2012-06-24 12:31:36 PM  
So now Republicans are against a conservative party who wants to base laws on their religion from getting into power? OK, so stop running pretty much all of your current candidates in the US.
 
2012-06-24 12:32:31 PM  

steamingpile: No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.


That is most of the derp-tastic and vocal farkers. They cannot see the difference, or refuse to acknowledge the difference, between observations and opinions. They also cannot stomach the fact people can have similar information and use logic to break it down and come to different conclusions. It is pretty amusing how quickly tolerance and not painting with a broad brush go out when someone makes it know they are Christian, Republican (or even Libertarian), believe in personal responsibility, or don't feel a need to pay for the consequences of poor decisions no matter how many poor decisions they make.

steamingpile: I guess it shouldn't surprise me that morons over here want to try and lump people you hate in with these guys to make conservatives look just as insane.

t

No, it should not.

/ The group think of many Farkers is pretty astounding.
 
2012-06-24 12:32:34 PM  
I've come to wish Egypt's democracy an unhappy birthday
 
2012-06-24 12:32:47 PM  

foxyshadis: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Steigen: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing."

Google quote.

See first link is deadmoran.com.

Ayup. I really recommend googling the quote. Its like a who's who of the derpanet.

Funny thing is, the source of that quote seems to be the brietbart headline, since it isn't in the video, the source link, or anywhere else. Instead, his entire speech could easily be confused for a generic Republican or Blue Dog Democrat stump speech about "we're the best" and "women already have enough rights." What else is new?


I don't speak Arabic, but the breitbard video seems to come from rabbilive.com which seems to be hosted on youtube here which seems to have the quote at 18 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9znepNvkrxI #t =18s

If any farkers speak arabic (do you?) maybe you can tell us what is actually being said.
 
2012-06-24 12:34:33 PM  
Okay. Apparently, people are working under the assumption that the government in Egypt is structured and functions like the government of America and most other Western nations.

It is not and does not function as you think.

Imagine an American style political struggle between secular/liberal politicians and religious/traditionalist style politicians. That's what dominates in Egypt at the moment, but these struggles focus SOLELY on internal and domestic issues.

Social issues. The economy. Freedom of speech and the lack of jobs in a tourism based economy. Religious concerns over corruption and dealing with political corruption in the government.

Foreign issues are dealt with SOLELY by the military who function almost autonomously and separately from the government itself. Its got its own chain of command and it is not subordinate to the government itself.

Lastly, that military gets a LOT of support and funding and gifts from the U.S in the form of money and second-hand weaponry as long as the military keeps its promises about never going near Israel. Now, combine this with the fact that the military leaders in Egypt are all heavily invested in the tourism trade, you'll find that it would be suicidal on a number of levels for the Egyptian military to do 'anything' aggressive to the Israeli nation.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is ignorant of the situation and/or trolling.
 
2012-06-24 12:34:34 PM  

willyfreddy: I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


Um, to be fair, when you're in a dictatorship, you generally are best to swear up and down you're not seeking power until the revolution succeeds, otherwise you'd end up with a lot of 3am knocks on your door followed a bullet by secret police if it fails. The fact they hedged their bets isn't really that indicative of deception.
 
2012-06-24 12:38:29 PM  

RoyBatty: foxyshadis: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Steigen: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9znepNvkrxI #t =18s

If any farkers speak arabic (do you?) maybe you can tell us what is actually being said.


That isn't even Morsi. That is Safwat Hegazi, a radical imam. It's just far-right wing Israeli propaganda that deadmoran and others cited without fact-checking....who'd have thunk it.
 
2012-06-24 12:38:35 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Gleeman: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

And politicians never ever go back on their campaign promises.

Sunshine and puppies for everyone!

The Egyptian President doesn't have control over the Military


Then why even bother having an election? Not like the rest of the world is actually going to do anything if the military comes out and publicly admits they've been holding the reins for the last few decades like everyone already knows.
 
2012-06-24 12:39:30 PM  

diaphoresis: Awwww... you got your feelings hurt. I am soo sorry babe... now run along and play with your friends.


Projection at its finest. I'd give you a sticker, but you might put it up your nose.
 
2012-06-24 12:40:51 PM  

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


Here's something from May 30, 2012
Link
 
2012-06-24 12:40:57 PM  
It's going to be Algeria all over again.
 
2012-06-24 12:44:11 PM  

ordinarysteve: That isn't even Morsi. That is Safwat Hegazi, a radical imam. It's just far-right wing Israeli propaganda that deadmoran and others cited without fact-checking....who'd have thunk it.


Ah. Thank you.
 
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