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(Ahram Online)   Muslim Brotherhood's Mohammed Mursi wins Egyptian presidential election, becoming the first non-military president of Egypt   (english.ahram.org.eg) divider line 285
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2012-06-24 11:55:28 AM

polyphemus75: hey Israel, look what the democrats and graduate students in America helped bring to you, war and death!


Perhaps my paper on Furryism and Midsummer Nights Dream for my MFA in Theatre was in poor taste but I dont think it's a regime changer.
 
2012-06-24 11:55:44 AM

dawnofdaycare: The Spinx and the the statues of the pharaohs are open for being destroyed now, just like like the Buddhist statues destroyed in Afghanistan. Sad.


You're a fearmongering idiot.
 
2012-06-24 11:55:47 AM
Democracy only counts when they vote the way we want to!
 
2012-06-24 11:56:07 AM
Glad to see the military out of power, but I kind of wish it had been someone else to take power. IIRC the MB were those guys who siezed control of the Kabbah back in 79, and whipped up a bunch of violence since then. They've put on a better face since then, but I still don't like them. And it trouble me that they were elected in a free election.

I think of them as more of the hard line Christian Identity movement than the mainstream Christian scene in the US or the GOP, FWIW. And they realize that they now have to appeal to a wider range of Egyptian Muslims, which will hopefully mellow them a bit.
 
2012-06-24 11:56:20 AM
A Muslim theocracy will be a real breath of fresh air for those in the region.

"Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing." ~Mohammed Morsi
 
2012-06-24 11:56:21 AM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


That was weeks ago. Who remembers that?
 
2012-06-24 11:56:24 AM
For about 3 months, before the military decides they don't like the way things are going and they have to step in again and take everything over.
 
2012-06-24 11:56:25 AM
Not an easy choice--an associate of Mubarak or a member of political party that is closely associated with the dominant religion of the country. Oh, wait, yes, it very likely was.

Although, you reap what you sow--we shall see. Religious based groups don't have great track records as ruling parties, even in Democracies, so it is a little tough to be optimistic.
 
2012-06-24 11:56:40 AM

steamingpile: No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.


Oh? Please quote me where Morsi has said he will institute Islamic beliefs in their laws?

Is it where he said he "will be a President for all Egypt"?
 
2012-06-24 11:56:58 AM
Egypt's new president on tape telling supporters: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing... our cry will be, millions of martyrs march towards Jerusalem... banish the sleep from the eyes of all Jews."

These people are utterly different from us and, while they should certainly be free to f*ck up their own countries as best they see fit, in no way should they be permitted to emigrate to the West and infect our societies as well with their particular brand of insanity.
 
2012-06-24 11:57:16 AM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


A better question is why do you not take what they say at face value.
 
2012-06-24 11:57:35 AM
There is so much bigoted stupid in this thread. Democracy...only good if I approve of your choice, apparently.
 
2012-06-24 11:58:06 AM
Gee, history is really vindicating the Bush 2 administration isn't it. Don't I feel short sighted and unpatriotic.

/Mommy?
//When does the stupid stop?
 
2012-06-24 11:58:09 AM
Doubt if there's any power for the MB to have, after the army grabbed it all last week.
 
2012-06-24 11:58:10 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.


Yes, because "various Farkers" totally equals "The Left."

Hyperbole much?
 
2012-06-24 11:58:53 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Egypt's new president on tape telling supporters: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing... our cry will be, millions of martyrs march towards Jerusalem... banish the sleep from the eyes of all Jews."

These people are utterly different from us and, while they should certainly be free to f*ck up their own countries as best they see fit, in no way should they be permitted to emigrate to the West and infect our societies as well with their particular brand of insanity.


Damned straight. Our religious idiots and Christian fundamentalist radicals don't need the competition.
 
2012-06-24 11:59:09 AM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


It would be fishy if they didn't get involved in an election, since they have labeled themselves from the beginning as a political group. So, you probably won't find that reference anywhere.
 
2012-06-24 11:59:18 AM

Steigen: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing."


Google quote.

See first link is deadmoran.com.

Ayup. I really recommend googling the quote. Its like a who's who of the derpanet.
 
2012-06-24 11:59:37 AM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


no, but the choices were terrible. not only is the average woman's life going to get a lot worse but the situation with Israel is too.

i would say that the overthrow of Mubarak was a good example of the law of unintended consequences but it's more a cautionary tale of being careful what you wish for.
 
2012-06-24 11:59:55 AM

cameroncrazy1984: steamingpile: No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.

Oh? Please quote me where Morsi has said he will institute Islamic beliefs in their laws?

Is it where he said he "will be a President for all Egypt"?


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3083/egypt-christians-convert-pay-tr ibute-leave
 
2012-06-24 12:00:08 PM

SoCalSurfer: Awesome, just awesome.

Just what we need, another theocracy in the middle east. Hopefully egypt's military can take care of this without the involvement of Israel and god forbid the US.

If your a woman in Egypt, this is going to suck


That's among the most ignorant things I've ever heard, hoping that a military will brutally seize power from a lawfully elected government and its citizens so that it can properly oppress them in secular ways instead of religious ways.
 
2012-06-24 12:00:11 PM

smazzocity: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

Here you are


Way to make me look bad.
 
2012-06-24 12:01:13 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?

A better question is why do you not take what they say at face value.


In what universe is that a better question?
 
2012-06-24 12:01:55 PM

steamingpile: cameroncrazy1984: steamingpile: And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.

I like this. You claim that Republicans aren't real Christians but the Muslim Brotherhood are representative of all Muslims.

No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.

I guess it shouldn't surprise me that morons over here want to try and lump people you hate in with these guys to make conservatives look just as insane.


Whar seperation of church and state?
In USA?
NOT!
That concept was started back in the 50's by the fascists in our society unhappy with the results of WWII.
Look at a government building, or your money.
Some form of Christianity is in the genes of this immigrant settlement and government experiment.
 
2012-06-24 12:02:29 PM
Why do we let these retards vote anyway? Yes, I know we really can't do much in this world since no one fears the U.S anymore. But would have been nice if we could have done something... Now we have to deal with a new radical Islamic gov in the Middle East. Yea!!
 
2012-06-24 12:02:30 PM

ryant123: steamingpile: Non-military? Riiiiiight......

And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.

But nice troll.

I don't know about killing gays, but the first two things you mention have pretty much become the GOP's official platform.


Of course they have, because women can't own businesses here, can't drive cars, and can't go out in public without men in the united states. Yeah, you guys are right, it is the same thing. I hope I'm wrong about this since I have family in school over there but their track record is not good. They have already booked their airfare to come home until they see how this shakes out, their school even allowed them time away to do online studies only.

Now have fun, I'm ignoring this and going to brunch.
 
2012-06-24 12:02:36 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population


wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned
 
2012-06-24 12:02:37 PM

quickdraw: Perhaps my paper on
Furryism and Midsummer Nights Dream for my MFA in Theatre was in poor taste but I dont think it's a regime changer.


My God, tell me you're not joking.

/eip
 
2012-06-24 12:02:45 PM
Whenever I see Muslim Brotherhood I think of this:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-24 12:02:57 PM
Honestly not too worried about this. It's not like the people of Egypt have proved that they are willing to stand up to totalitarian infringements on their rights. If he starts doing all the terrible things some of you think he will be doing the people will take to the streets again, and this time with military support.
 
2012-06-24 12:03:37 PM
World War III in 1...2...3...
 
2012-06-24 12:03:55 PM

Nogale: One wonders what might have happened if there were a higher voter turnout. About 46% of eligible voters cast ballots in February, and 51% voted in the run-off.

For people who don't understand that democracy sometimes means choosing the least bad alternative - hope you enjoy living under the Islamists.


Immaterial. There will not be another vote. Until the next revolution. Or until the Israelis give you your country back in about a decade.
 
2012-06-24 12:04:46 PM

Shaggy_C: [i48.tinypic.com image 640x525]


good pic
 
2012-06-24 12:04:52 PM

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way


LOL

It's hilarious that you think that.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:04 PM

ordinarysteve: There is so much bigoted stupid in this thread. Democracy...only good if I approve of your choice, apparently.


It's not getting elected that is the real test of democracy, but getting re-elected one or more times. Even Hitler was elected, but once he consolidated power he didn't bother running for a second term. In no way should we be mindlessly cheerleading for democracy if it is going to produce results that are disastrous for a country and the entire region it resides in.

As usual I'm not surprised to see Fark "progressives" trying frantically to deflect attention away from Egypt's slide into a belligerent theocracy intent on provoking war with Israel, and onto the much more serious problem of people saying unkind things about Muslims on the internet.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:05 PM
Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.

I wonder how long it would take the IDF to recapture Sinai. I'm putting the over/under at 72 hours.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:41 PM

moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.


I'm... relieved.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:42 PM

Curious: not only is the average woman's life going to get a lot worse


You seem awfully sure of that and Im wondering why.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:47 PM
There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.
 
2012-06-24 12:06:34 PM

Brick-House: World War III in 1...2...3...


Where have you been? The next on is World War 25

/Available live on PPV
 
2012-06-24 12:06:50 PM

LawrencePerson: Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.

I wonder how long it would take the IDF to recapture Sinai. I'm putting the over/under at 72 hours.


Yes, I'm totally going to take the word of a website called "battleswarmblog"
 
2012-06-24 12:07:15 PM
Egyptians went to the square because of oppression, lack of economic mobility, and neglecting their young people and potential middle class. It wasn't a lack of islamic law, or martyrdom, or Allah. If the MB doesn't focus on secular manners in an intelligent and equitable way, they're farked.

I wpuld guess that the egyptian equivalent of baby boomers (only with way more xenophobia) put the MB in power, and if the MB and boomers try to fark over the revolutionary class, it'll Tahrir square all over again.

The revolutionary spirit is still there, the demands are still there, and if no ones meets them, the protesters will be back.
 
2012-06-24 12:07:27 PM

snocone: Some form of Christianity is in the genes


8/10 - youll get some bites for sure. The combination of science terms and Jesus talk is a nice touch.
 
2012-06-24 12:07:32 PM
That's pretty cool. But isn't the Muslim Brotherhood weird?
 
2012-06-24 12:07:59 PM

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments.


i.telegraph.co.uk

Known for their rational long-term judgement
 
2012-06-24 12:08:41 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Steigen: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing."

Google quote.

See first link is deadmoran.com.

Ayup. I really recommend googling the quote. Its like a who's who of the derpanet.


Funny thing is, the source of that quote seems to be the brietbart headline, since it isn't in the video, the source link, or anywhere else. Instead, his entire speech could easily be confused for a generic Republican or Blue Dog Democrat stump speech about "we're the best" and "women already have enough rights." What else is new?
 
2012-06-24 12:08:45 PM
We really need some right wing israelis in here to tell us how the military should take over to preserve democracy, which was just stolen via a democratic election. It really never gets old.
 
2012-06-24 12:08:48 PM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


C'mon, the Religious Right would overthrow an oppressive Democratic regime, and vote in dominionists.

If horses had a god, he would look like a horse..
 
2012-06-24 12:09:08 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: ordinarysteve: There is so much bigoted stupid in this thread. Democracy...only good if I approve of your choice, apparently.

It's not getting elected that is the real test of democracy, but getting re-elected one or more times. Even Hitler was elected, but once he consolidated power he didn't bother running for a second term. In no way should we be mindlessly cheerleading for democracy if it is going to produce results that are disastrous for a country and the entire region it resides in.

As usual I'm not surprised to see Fark "progressives" trying frantically to deflect attention away from Egypt's slide into a belligerent theocracy intent on provoking war with Israel, and onto the much more serious problem of people saying unkind things about Muslims on the internet.


Hahah, do you have a source for any of the shiat you are spewing about the MB? Everything you said is categorically wrong. MB has said they will support the Camp David Peace accord, as well as protecting women and minority rights. Perhaps they completely lied but they have been in power for a day. Your assumptions prove your bigotry.
 
2012-06-24 12:09:11 PM

diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population

wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned


Explain to the class why you think I'm wrong. Provide references.
 
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