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(Ahram Online)   Muslim Brotherhood's Mohammed Mursi wins Egyptian presidential election, becoming the first non-military president of Egypt   (english.ahram.org.eg) divider line 285
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2012-06-24 10:41:29 AM
For what it is worth, I think that was probably the actual election results.
 
2012-06-24 11:34:01 AM
inb4 "Terrorists supporters"
 
2012-06-24 11:34:27 AM
Uh oh spaghetti O....
 
2012-06-24 11:34:27 AM
Wow.
 
2012-06-24 11:34:27 AM
In before the "muslims are evil" derp.
 
2012-06-24 11:34:50 AM
Is this guy on a card?
How does he sit w/ the Saudis?
 
2012-06-24 11:35:28 AM

Mock26: In before the "muslims are evil" derp.


This. I'm going to enjoy the first couple of posts and then see myself out.
 
2012-06-24 11:35:32 AM
FTFA: Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohamed Mursi beats off military man Ahmed Shafiq to become Egypt's Boobies-uprising president

So that's what it takes to be president of Egypt?
 
2012-06-24 11:35:42 AM
Sh*t, when it's between him and Mubarak's former prime minister, I'd vote for him too.
 
2012-06-24 11:35:53 AM
Headline -- Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohamed Mursi beats off military man Ahmed Shafiq to become Egypt's Boobies-uprising president

That's a fatwa Mohamed.

In serious political news -- shiat is gonna get real now.
 
2012-06-24 11:36:32 AM
Bonus filterpwn!
 
2012-06-24 11:36:41 AM
You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?
 
2012-06-24 11:36:57 AM
image.guardian.co.uk

Really?!
 
2012-06-24 11:37:55 AM
The best way to quell Islamism is to make them democratically accountable someplace. Death to whomever becomes a hell of a lot less important when people can't get their trash picked up.

I welcome this move and it is probably the best way to help calm ideological extremism.
 
2012-06-24 11:38:23 AM
The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population
 
2012-06-24 11:38:50 AM
The Muslim Brotherhood is an umbrella group. Tough to know what this election will mean for Egypt.
 
2012-06-24 11:38:51 AM
This will end poorly for the entire region.
First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.
 
2012-06-24 11:38:57 AM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


No, they're almost certainly counting on those promises to be false.
 
2012-06-24 11:39:06 AM
img41.imageshack.us

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly
 
2012-06-24 11:40:26 AM
Meh.

My headline was amusing... :-p

Egyptians, dyslexic Smiths fans celebrate, as Morsi declared President
 
2012-06-24 11:41:28 AM
Assassination in 3......2.......1.......
 
2012-06-24 11:41:29 AM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


Here you are
 
2012-06-24 11:41:39 AM
i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-24 11:41:51 AM
I'm sure the Muslim Sisterhood will keep them in check.
 
2012-06-24 11:42:35 AM
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com

This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
 
2012-06-24 11:43:45 AM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


I believe the reference you're looking for was a street rep being asked by a BBC reporter if they intended on 'seizing' power and/or instituting Taliban-style Sharia law, which the street rep denied.

The MB is the equivalent to a Christian political party in the U.S. Imagine if the Moral Majority had gone into politics on its own without wedding itself to the GOP.
 
2012-06-24 11:43:54 AM
This should be interesting. How long will it be before Egyptian women find themselves with no rights at all?
 
2012-06-24 11:45:11 AM
Morsi wins the election and Mubarek in a coma. I know, I know. It's serious
 
2012-06-24 11:45:31 AM
Muslim. Brother. Hood.
 
2012-06-24 11:46:33 AM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.


Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.
 
2012-06-24 11:46:48 AM

Superjew: I'm sure the Muslim Sisterhood will keep them in check.


Or the Ayrans in cell block 4
 
2012-06-24 11:46:53 AM
Non-military? Riiiiiight......

And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.

But nice troll.
 
2012-06-24 11:47:29 AM
Lesser of two evils.

/Egypt wasn't going to be great either way after the first round
//Hope he's not too fundie, or he gets voted out if he is.
 
2012-06-24 11:48:08 AM
We don't have a good handle on what any of this means yet.

Could be anything.
 
2012-06-24 11:48:43 AM

steamingpile: And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.


I like this. You claim that Republicans aren't real Christians but the Muslim Brotherhood are representative of all Muslims.
 
2012-06-24 11:49:01 AM
One wonders what might have happened if there were a higher voter turnout. About 46% of eligible voters cast ballots in February, and 51% voted in the run-off.

For people who don't understand that democracy sometimes means choosing the least bad alternative - hope you enjoy living under the Islamists.
 
2012-06-24 11:49:33 AM
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Feeling "bored" are we?
 
2012-06-24 11:50:15 AM
The Spinx and the the statues of the pharaohs are open for being destroyed now, just like like the Buddhist statues destroyed in Afghanistan. Sad.
 
2012-06-24 11:50:22 AM
Sucks to be a copt today.
 
2012-06-24 11:50:27 AM
Yeah, quell Islamisim Lupine, the new president said, I quote: "OUR CAPITAL 'SHALL BE JERUSALEM, ALLAH WILLING'..., hey Israel, look what the democrats and graduate students in America helped bring to you, war and death! Democracy is great for women in Egypt too, they will get to wear a sheet and be in fear of men should they want to wear makeup! Cool, thanks Obama, i'm sure the minority of Coptic Christians will enjoy democracy too, oh wait, no, they aren't believers of islame, so, they will be killed, ahh, shucks, but i'm sure the mooslims are excited, they get to kill all them nasty Jewish folk and Christians too, yee haw!
 
2012-06-24 11:51:05 AM
And we think we have bad choices at election time. Choose between continuing the military dynasty or a religious one. The only way to win in Egypt is not to vote....like the women.
 
2012-06-24 11:51:09 AM

Infernalist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

I believe the reference you're looking for was a street rep being asked by a BBC reporter if they intended on 'seizing' power and/or instituting Taliban-style Sharia law, which the street rep denied.

The MB is the equivalent to a Christian political party in the U.S. Imagine if the Moral Majority had gone into politics on its own without wedding itself to the GOP.


MB is not equivalent you farking morons, they are for instituting Islamic based laws inside the government, basing your decisions on your religion is a big difference than saying your government follows a religions beliefs.

But keep making that moronic comparison, being a Fark political thread I expect no less.
 
2012-06-24 11:52:55 AM

steamingpile: Non-military? Riiiiiight......

And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.

But nice troll.


I don't know about killing gays, but the first two things you mention have pretty much become the GOP's official platform.
 
2012-06-24 11:53:00 AM

praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.


Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.
 
2012-06-24 11:53:20 AM

polyphemus75: Yeah, quell Islamisim Lupine, the new president said, I quote: "OUR CAPITAL 'SHALL BE JERUSALEM, ALLAH WILLING'..., hey Israel, look what the democrats and graduate students in America helped bring to you, war and death! Democracy is great for women in Egypt too, they will get to wear a sheet and be in fear of men should they want to wear makeup! Cool, thanks Obama, i'm sure the minority of Coptic Christians will enjoy democracy too, oh wait, no, they aren't believers of islame, so, they will be killed, ahh, shucks, but i'm sure the mooslims are excited, they get to kill all them nasty Jewish folk and Christians too, yee haw!


Its almost like a random generator of non-sequitir Beck hyperbole.
 
2012-06-24 11:53:23 AM

smazzocity: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

Here you are


Oh yeah, about that...
 
2012-06-24 11:53:43 AM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Egyptian, American, eh, empty promises will be believed by anybody.
 
2012-06-24 11:54:04 AM

dawnofdaycare: The Spinx and the the statues of the pharaohs are open for being destroyed now, just like like the Buddhist statues destroyed in Afghanistan. Sad.


Your understanding of middle east culture, politics and religion is pretty superficial if that's what you genuinely believe.
 
2012-06-24 11:54:39 AM

cameroncrazy1984: steamingpile: And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.

I like this. You claim that Republicans aren't real Christians but the Muslim Brotherhood are representative of all Muslims.


No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.

I guess it shouldn't surprise me that morons over here want to try and lump people you hate in with these guys to make conservatives look just as insane.
 
2012-06-24 11:55:18 AM

steamingpile: Infernalist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

I believe the reference you're looking for was a street rep being asked by a BBC reporter if they intended on 'seizing' power and/or instituting Taliban-style Sharia law, which the street rep denied.

The MB is the equivalent to a Christian political party in the U.S. Imagine if the Moral Majority had gone into politics on its own without wedding itself to the GOP.

MB is not equivalent you farking morons, they are for instituting Islamic based laws inside the government, basing your decisions on your religion is a big difference than saying your government follows a religions beliefs.

But keep making that moronic comparison, being a Fark political thread I expect no less.


You sound angry, son.

When they actually 'do' something worth getting upset about, then you can wet your panties and run around in a panic, screaming about how terrible it is that some other country that you don't live in has elected a party based on a religion other than Christianity.

Honestly, do you really think that the military over there will let them do 'anything' that'll hurt the tourism business?

But, by all means, continue to foam at the mouth and get your panties in a twist, it's horribly amusing for me, it being Sunday.

The liquor stores aren't opened yet, I mean. Silly Blue laws.
 
2012-06-24 11:55:28 AM

polyphemus75: hey Israel, look what the democrats and graduate students in America helped bring to you, war and death!


Perhaps my paper on Furryism and Midsummer Nights Dream for my MFA in Theatre was in poor taste but I dont think it's a regime changer.
 
2012-06-24 11:55:44 AM

dawnofdaycare: The Spinx and the the statues of the pharaohs are open for being destroyed now, just like like the Buddhist statues destroyed in Afghanistan. Sad.


You're a fearmongering idiot.
 
2012-06-24 11:55:47 AM
Democracy only counts when they vote the way we want to!
 
2012-06-24 11:56:07 AM
Glad to see the military out of power, but I kind of wish it had been someone else to take power. IIRC the MB were those guys who siezed control of the Kabbah back in 79, and whipped up a bunch of violence since then. They've put on a better face since then, but I still don't like them. And it trouble me that they were elected in a free election.

I think of them as more of the hard line Christian Identity movement than the mainstream Christian scene in the US or the GOP, FWIW. And they realize that they now have to appeal to a wider range of Egyptian Muslims, which will hopefully mellow them a bit.
 
2012-06-24 11:56:20 AM
A Muslim theocracy will be a real breath of fresh air for those in the region.

"Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing." ~Mohammed Morsi
 
2012-06-24 11:56:21 AM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


That was weeks ago. Who remembers that?
 
2012-06-24 11:56:24 AM
For about 3 months, before the military decides they don't like the way things are going and they have to step in again and take everything over.
 
2012-06-24 11:56:25 AM
Not an easy choice--an associate of Mubarak or a member of political party that is closely associated with the dominant religion of the country. Oh, wait, yes, it very likely was.

Although, you reap what you sow--we shall see. Religious based groups don't have great track records as ruling parties, even in Democracies, so it is a little tough to be optimistic.
 
2012-06-24 11:56:40 AM

steamingpile: No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.


Oh? Please quote me where Morsi has said he will institute Islamic beliefs in their laws?

Is it where he said he "will be a President for all Egypt"?
 
2012-06-24 11:56:58 AM
Egypt's new president on tape telling supporters: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing... our cry will be, millions of martyrs march towards Jerusalem... banish the sleep from the eyes of all Jews."

These people are utterly different from us and, while they should certainly be free to f*ck up their own countries as best they see fit, in no way should they be permitted to emigrate to the West and infect our societies as well with their particular brand of insanity.
 
2012-06-24 11:57:16 AM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


A better question is why do you not take what they say at face value.
 
2012-06-24 11:57:35 AM
There is so much bigoted stupid in this thread. Democracy...only good if I approve of your choice, apparently.
 
2012-06-24 11:58:06 AM
Gee, history is really vindicating the Bush 2 administration isn't it. Don't I feel short sighted and unpatriotic.

/Mommy?
//When does the stupid stop?
 
2012-06-24 11:58:09 AM
Doubt if there's any power for the MB to have, after the army grabbed it all last week.
 
2012-06-24 11:58:10 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.


Yes, because "various Farkers" totally equals "The Left."

Hyperbole much?
 
2012-06-24 11:58:53 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Egypt's new president on tape telling supporters: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing... our cry will be, millions of martyrs march towards Jerusalem... banish the sleep from the eyes of all Jews."

These people are utterly different from us and, while they should certainly be free to f*ck up their own countries as best they see fit, in no way should they be permitted to emigrate to the West and infect our societies as well with their particular brand of insanity.


Damned straight. Our religious idiots and Christian fundamentalist radicals don't need the competition.
 
2012-06-24 11:59:09 AM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


It would be fishy if they didn't get involved in an election, since they have labeled themselves from the beginning as a political group. So, you probably won't find that reference anywhere.
 
2012-06-24 11:59:18 AM

Steigen: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing."


Google quote.

See first link is deadmoran.com.

Ayup. I really recommend googling the quote. Its like a who's who of the derpanet.
 
2012-06-24 11:59:37 AM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


no, but the choices were terrible. not only is the average woman's life going to get a lot worse but the situation with Israel is too.

i would say that the overthrow of Mubarak was a good example of the law of unintended consequences but it's more a cautionary tale of being careful what you wish for.
 
2012-06-24 11:59:55 AM

cameroncrazy1984: steamingpile: No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.

Oh? Please quote me where Morsi has said he will institute Islamic beliefs in their laws?

Is it where he said he "will be a President for all Egypt"?


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3083/egypt-christians-convert-pay-tr ibute-leave
 
2012-06-24 12:00:08 PM

SoCalSurfer: Awesome, just awesome.

Just what we need, another theocracy in the middle east. Hopefully egypt's military can take care of this without the involvement of Israel and god forbid the US.

If your a woman in Egypt, this is going to suck


That's among the most ignorant things I've ever heard, hoping that a military will brutally seize power from a lawfully elected government and its citizens so that it can properly oppress them in secular ways instead of religious ways.
 
2012-06-24 12:00:11 PM

smazzocity: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

Here you are


Way to make me look bad.
 
2012-06-24 12:01:13 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?

A better question is why do you not take what they say at face value.


In what universe is that a better question?
 
2012-06-24 12:01:55 PM

steamingpile: cameroncrazy1984: steamingpile: And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.

I like this. You claim that Republicans aren't real Christians but the Muslim Brotherhood are representative of all Muslims.

No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.

I guess it shouldn't surprise me that morons over here want to try and lump people you hate in with these guys to make conservatives look just as insane.


Whar seperation of church and state?
In USA?
NOT!
That concept was started back in the 50's by the fascists in our society unhappy with the results of WWII.
Look at a government building, or your money.
Some form of Christianity is in the genes of this immigrant settlement and government experiment.
 
2012-06-24 12:02:29 PM
Why do we let these retards vote anyway? Yes, I know we really can't do much in this world since no one fears the U.S anymore. But would have been nice if we could have done something... Now we have to deal with a new radical Islamic gov in the Middle East. Yea!!
 
2012-06-24 12:02:30 PM

ryant123: steamingpile: Non-military? Riiiiiight......

And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.

But nice troll.

I don't know about killing gays, but the first two things you mention have pretty much become the GOP's official platform.


Of course they have, because women can't own businesses here, can't drive cars, and can't go out in public without men in the united states. Yeah, you guys are right, it is the same thing. I hope I'm wrong about this since I have family in school over there but their track record is not good. They have already booked their airfare to come home until they see how this shakes out, their school even allowed them time away to do online studies only.

Now have fun, I'm ignoring this and going to brunch.
 
2012-06-24 12:02:36 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population


wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned
 
2012-06-24 12:02:37 PM

quickdraw: Perhaps my paper on
Furryism and Midsummer Nights Dream for my MFA in Theatre was in poor taste but I dont think it's a regime changer.


My God, tell me you're not joking.

/eip
 
2012-06-24 12:02:45 PM
Whenever I see Muslim Brotherhood I think of this:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-24 12:02:57 PM
Honestly not too worried about this. It's not like the people of Egypt have proved that they are willing to stand up to totalitarian infringements on their rights. If he starts doing all the terrible things some of you think he will be doing the people will take to the streets again, and this time with military support.
 
2012-06-24 12:03:37 PM
World War III in 1...2...3...
 
2012-06-24 12:03:55 PM

Nogale: One wonders what might have happened if there were a higher voter turnout. About 46% of eligible voters cast ballots in February, and 51% voted in the run-off.

For people who don't understand that democracy sometimes means choosing the least bad alternative - hope you enjoy living under the Islamists.


Immaterial. There will not be another vote. Until the next revolution. Or until the Israelis give you your country back in about a decade.
 
2012-06-24 12:04:46 PM

Shaggy_C: [i48.tinypic.com image 640x525]


good pic
 
2012-06-24 12:04:52 PM

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way


LOL

It's hilarious that you think that.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:04 PM

ordinarysteve: There is so much bigoted stupid in this thread. Democracy...only good if I approve of your choice, apparently.


It's not getting elected that is the real test of democracy, but getting re-elected one or more times. Even Hitler was elected, but once he consolidated power he didn't bother running for a second term. In no way should we be mindlessly cheerleading for democracy if it is going to produce results that are disastrous for a country and the entire region it resides in.

As usual I'm not surprised to see Fark "progressives" trying frantically to deflect attention away from Egypt's slide into a belligerent theocracy intent on provoking war with Israel, and onto the much more serious problem of people saying unkind things about Muslims on the internet.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:05 PM
Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.

I wonder how long it would take the IDF to recapture Sinai. I'm putting the over/under at 72 hours.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:41 PM

moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.


I'm... relieved.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:42 PM

Curious: not only is the average woman's life going to get a lot worse


You seem awfully sure of that and Im wondering why.
 
2012-06-24 12:05:47 PM
There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.
 
2012-06-24 12:06:34 PM

Brick-House: World War III in 1...2...3...


Where have you been? The next on is World War 25

/Available live on PPV
 
2012-06-24 12:06:50 PM

LawrencePerson: Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.

I wonder how long it would take the IDF to recapture Sinai. I'm putting the over/under at 72 hours.


Yes, I'm totally going to take the word of a website called "battleswarmblog"
 
2012-06-24 12:07:15 PM
Egyptians went to the square because of oppression, lack of economic mobility, and neglecting their young people and potential middle class. It wasn't a lack of islamic law, or martyrdom, or Allah. If the MB doesn't focus on secular manners in an intelligent and equitable way, they're farked.

I wpuld guess that the egyptian equivalent of baby boomers (only with way more xenophobia) put the MB in power, and if the MB and boomers try to fark over the revolutionary class, it'll Tahrir square all over again.

The revolutionary spirit is still there, the demands are still there, and if no ones meets them, the protesters will be back.
 
2012-06-24 12:07:27 PM

snocone: Some form of Christianity is in the genes


8/10 - youll get some bites for sure. The combination of science terms and Jesus talk is a nice touch.
 
2012-06-24 12:07:32 PM
That's pretty cool. But isn't the Muslim Brotherhood weird?
 
2012-06-24 12:07:59 PM

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments.


i.telegraph.co.uk

Known for their rational long-term judgement
 
2012-06-24 12:08:41 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Steigen: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing."

Google quote.

See first link is deadmoran.com.

Ayup. I really recommend googling the quote. Its like a who's who of the derpanet.


Funny thing is, the source of that quote seems to be the brietbart headline, since it isn't in the video, the source link, or anywhere else. Instead, his entire speech could easily be confused for a generic Republican or Blue Dog Democrat stump speech about "we're the best" and "women already have enough rights." What else is new?
 
2012-06-24 12:08:45 PM
We really need some right wing israelis in here to tell us how the military should take over to preserve democracy, which was just stolen via a democratic election. It really never gets old.
 
2012-06-24 12:08:48 PM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


C'mon, the Religious Right would overthrow an oppressive Democratic regime, and vote in dominionists.

If horses had a god, he would look like a horse..
 
2012-06-24 12:09:08 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: ordinarysteve: There is so much bigoted stupid in this thread. Democracy...only good if I approve of your choice, apparently.

It's not getting elected that is the real test of democracy, but getting re-elected one or more times. Even Hitler was elected, but once he consolidated power he didn't bother running for a second term. In no way should we be mindlessly cheerleading for democracy if it is going to produce results that are disastrous for a country and the entire region it resides in.

As usual I'm not surprised to see Fark "progressives" trying frantically to deflect attention away from Egypt's slide into a belligerent theocracy intent on provoking war with Israel, and onto the much more serious problem of people saying unkind things about Muslims on the internet.


Hahah, do you have a source for any of the shiat you are spewing about the MB? Everything you said is categorically wrong. MB has said they will support the Camp David Peace accord, as well as protecting women and minority rights. Perhaps they completely lied but they have been in power for a day. Your assumptions prove your bigotry.
 
2012-06-24 12:09:11 PM

diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population

wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned


Explain to the class why you think I'm wrong. Provide references.
 
2012-06-24 12:09:21 PM
Didn't the ruling military council just strip many of the presidential powers last week? If so the military is still running things. New boss same as the old boss, etc.
 
2012-06-24 12:09:29 PM

Almet: Egyptians went to the square because of oppression, lack of economic mobility, and neglecting their young people and potential middle class. It wasn't a lack of islamic law, or martyrdom, or Allah. If the MB doesn't focus on secular manners in an intelligent and equitable way, they're farked.

I wpuld guess that the egyptian equivalent of baby boomers (only with way more xenophobia) put the MB in power, and if the MB and boomers try to fark over the revolutionary class, it'll Tahrir square all over again.

The revolutionary spirit is still there, the demands are still there, and if no ones meets them, the protesters will be back.


Oh, don't be silly. The MB is evil and will force the military to invade Israel in spite of the fact that the military can simply ignore the MB at this point if they felt like it.

Evil, I say....EVIL.

/hyperbole is fun!
 
2012-06-24 12:09:30 PM

LawrencePerson: Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.


Click link. See main 'war with Israel' link goes to Memri.

Congratulations, you just bought yourself some A-grade Israeli ultra-rightist bullshiat.
 
2012-06-24 12:11:11 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Didn't the ruling military council just strip many of the presidential powers last week? If so the military is still running things. New boss same as the old boss, etc.


Yes. The President has no power, and the military directly controls all legislative responsibilities.
 
2012-06-24 12:11:30 PM

Offender: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

It would be fishy if they didn't get involved in an election, since they have labeled themselves from the beginning as a political group. So, you probably won't find that reference anywhere.


Or somebody already posted a link to the CNN article earlier in the thread that not only shows exactly what he was talking about, but the MB rep that was quoted in the article? Mohammed Morsi. Don't you look stupid?
 
2012-06-24 12:13:53 PM
This is bad news for:

i466.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-24 12:14:49 PM

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way


This is what so many Western observers fail to understand, that when all you have is a choice between a horrible dictatorship unfriendly to you and a horrible dictatorship sympathetic to you, it's only rational to side with the latter. There is no other option on the table. As long as the vast majority of the population of Egypt remains illiterate and possessed of religiously fundamentalist views, there will be no possibility of a Western style democracy in Egypt, ever.

Sorry, but Twitter isn't going to save the world after all.
 
2012-06-24 12:14:57 PM

humanshrapnel: FTFA: Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohamed Mursi beats off military man Ahmed Shafiq to become Egypt's Boobies-uprising president

So that's what it takes to be president of Egypt?


Beat me to it! Damn....
 
2012-06-24 12:15:37 PM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.
 
2012-06-24 12:16:08 PM

Aikidogamer: humanshrapnel: FTFA: Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohamed Mursi beats off military man Ahmed Shafiq to become Egypt's Boobies-uprising president

So that's what it takes to be president of Egypt?

Beat me to it! Damn....


coppermine.constantmayhem.com
 
2012-06-24 12:16:49 PM

Infernalist: There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.


I think you should beat some sense into them.
 
2012-06-24 12:17:03 PM
I for one welcome Egypt to the eighteenth century. In a couple hundred years and they can join us in the 21st. Baby steps, people. Baby steps.
 
2012-06-24 12:17:08 PM
Having done a bit of my own reading into the subject of their backtracking on the whole 'presidential candidate' thing, I found this:

Link

It appears as if Egypt's political scene is a mess of secular and liberal activists working against the more traditional and religious-minded MB which wants to return to a more 'pure' society based around the dominant religion of the region.

Sound familiar, anyone?
 
2012-06-24 12:17:27 PM

LawrencePerson: Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.

I wonder how long it would take the IDF to recapture Sinai. I'm putting the over/under at 72 hours.


Meh... I'm putting all of Egypt at 72 hours. The Sinai is but a tollbooth on the way to Libya. Israel will secure the Gulf of Aqueba and/or the Suez Canal Zone if the Muslim Brotherhood won't. Period.

/not a repeat from the 50's
 
2012-06-24 12:17:34 PM
War with Israel is exactly what is needed to start the Second Coming/Rapture. A lot of nutjob Xians are OK with this.
 
2012-06-24 12:17:50 PM
Lordy lordy... here is one of those threads where American conservatives care about women's rights. Brown foreign women at that! Tell me another one, boys! Muslims!!! Booga Booga!
 
2012-06-24 12:18:08 PM

darkedgefan: Why do we let these retards vote anyway? Yes, I know we really can't do much in this world since no one fears the U.S anymore. But would have been nice if we could have done something... Now we have to deal with a new radical Islamic gov in the Middle East. Yea!!


WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!! is the cause of a great many evils perpetuated throughout history, and tends to snowball quickly, often to the horror of who originally called for something, anything to be done.
 
2012-06-24 12:18:14 PM

AlanSmithee: Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?

My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.


Whom did she vote for? Not all Muslims support Islamist regimes. I hope she's right, but since her butt is safely in Canada, she won't have to live with the ramifications either way.
 
2012-06-24 12:18:25 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population

wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned

Explain to the class why you think I'm wrong. Provide references.


/pats u on the head
go back to the child's table. if you don't know you're spouting derapge, you really need to go back drinking your kool-aid.
 
2012-06-24 12:18:33 PM

uber humper: Infernalist: There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.

I think you should beat some sense into them.


I would, but they'd probably like it.
 
2012-06-24 12:20:23 PM
All the cops in the donut shop say, "Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh".
 
2012-06-24 12:20:58 PM

LawrencePerson: Let's see if the Muslim Brotherhood carries through on their whole go to war with Israel promise.

I wonder how long it would take the IDF to recapture Sinai. I'm putting the over/under at 72 hours.


Your blog sucks, and you are a chickenhawk pussy.
 
2012-06-24 12:22:36 PM

Infernalist: Having done a bit of my own reading into the subject of their backtracking on the whole 'presidential candidate' thing, I found this:

Link


Good stuff. FYFA:

Morsi's victory caps off more than a week of behind-the-scenes negotiations between the Brotherhood and the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF). He claimed victory just hours after last week's runoff election, based on unofficial numbers tallied by the Brotherhood, but the commission delayed its official announcement until Sunday.

In the intervening days, Khairat al-Shater, the Brotherhood's political boss, met generals from SCAF at least once. Sources say they were negotiating exactly what powers the president will have.


Sounds like they're still muddling their way to a Turkish-style government.
 
2012-06-24 12:22:57 PM

diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population

wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned

Explain to the class why you think I'm wrong. Provide references.

/pats u on the head
go back to the child's table. if you don't know you're spouting derapge, you really need to go back drinking your kool-aid.


You got nothin', then. FJP is to the left of the Republicans, and right-wingers are pissing their pants over the "new Islamist state".
 
2012-06-24 12:23:15 PM
MB? You mean Lee Myung-Bak?

upload.wikimedia.org

This South Korean president is a Christian Fundamentalist. And he's a white collar financial terrorist. That's presidential democracy for you. You vote for the most controversial person in a certain country to lead a nation. What in the world is going on?
 
2012-06-24 12:24:18 PM

Infernalist: uber humper: Infernalist: There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.

I think you should beat some sense into them.

I would, but they'd probably like it.


You sir, will have a bright future in MIddle Eastern politics.
 
2012-06-24 12:24:41 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Infernalist: Having done a bit of my own reading into the subject of their backtracking on the whole 'presidential candidate' thing, I found this:

Link

Good stuff. FYFA:

Morsi's victory caps off more than a week of behind-the-scenes negotiations between the Brotherhood and the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF). He claimed victory just hours after last week's runoff election, based on unofficial numbers tallied by the Brotherhood, but the commission delayed its official announcement until Sunday.

In the intervening days, Khairat al-Shater, the Brotherhood's political boss, met generals from SCAF at least once. Sources say they were negotiating exactly what powers the president will have.

Sounds like they're still muddling their way to a Turkish-style government.


This is not a bad thing to my way of thinking.

And what happened here? Where'd all the hysterical women go? C'mon fellas, the thread is dying, get in here and tell us all about how terrible it is that some other religion in some other country has minimal influence over their countrymen.
 
2012-06-24 12:25:15 PM

moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.


I got a bridge you might be interested in buying........
 
2012-06-24 12:25:53 PM

Nogale: AlanSmithee: Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?

My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.

Whom did she vote for? Not all Muslims support Islamist regimes. I hope she's right, but since her butt is safely in Canada, she won't have to live with the ramifications either way.


I don't know who she voted for. But she's like the typical Canadian Muslim, progressive and a big believer in democracy.
The ramifications for her are huge. She spends a lot of time in Egypt, and a lot of her family and loved ones are still there.
 
2012-06-24 12:25:58 PM

AlanSmithee: My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.


And yet... she's returning to Canada.

/NTTAWWT
 
2012-06-24 12:26:02 PM

uber humper: Infernalist: uber humper: Infernalist: There's a lot of hysterical women in this thread.

I think you should beat some sense into them.

I would, but they'd probably like it.

You sir, will have a bright future in MIddle Eastern politics.


I'm not nearly fond enough of shrouded women. I like my Middle Eastern girls in harem outfits, to be honest.
 
2012-06-24 12:26:58 PM

moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.


And politicians never ever go back on their campaign promises.

Sunshine and puppies for everyone!
 
2012-06-24 12:27:31 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

I got a bridge you might be interested in buying........


Do you 'really' think that the Egyptian military will do anything other than what the U.S wants?

If so, then lol@u
 
2012-06-24 12:27:35 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

I got a bridge you might be interested in buying........


Why, is it the one you bought from London that is currently gathering dust out in Arizona?
 
2012-06-24 12:27:53 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: diaphoresis: Sock Ruh Tease: The Freedom and Justice party (Mursi's party) supports:

- Free market capitalism without "manipulation or monopoly"
- Basis on Islamic law
- Access to wide segment of the population

The Republican Party supports:

- Free market capitalism without government manipulation, but private manipulation is fine
- Basis on Christian law
- Access to narrower segment of the population

wow.. Derpage already. Well, it was inevitable.

/Soooo not a Repub
//Derpage is not politically aligned

Explain to the class why you think I'm wrong. Provide references.

/pats u on the head
go back to the child's table. if you don't know you're spouting derapge, you really need to go back drinking your kool-aid.

You got nothin', then. FJP is to the left of the Republicans, and right-wingers are pissing their pants over the "new Islamist state".


Awwww... you got your feelings hurt. I am soo sorry babe... now run along and play with your friends.
 
2012-06-24 12:28:59 PM

Infernalist: This is not a bad thing to my way of thinking.


My idealist side is all for democracy and freedom.

My realist side admits that democracy is messy, newly formed democracies even more so. Plus the military doesn't want to scare off the teat of American aid. So here we are.
 
2012-06-24 12:29:12 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

I got a bridge you might be interested in buying........


Yea, didn't he already say that Jerusalem will be the new capital?
 
2012-06-24 12:30:35 PM

Gleeman: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

And politicians never ever go back on their campaign promises.

Sunshine and puppies for everyone!


The Egyptian President doesn't have control over the Military
 
2012-06-24 12:31:36 PM
So now Republicans are against a conservative party who wants to base laws on their religion from getting into power? OK, so stop running pretty much all of your current candidates in the US.
 
2012-06-24 12:32:31 PM

steamingpile: No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.


That is most of the derp-tastic and vocal farkers. They cannot see the difference, or refuse to acknowledge the difference, between observations and opinions. They also cannot stomach the fact people can have similar information and use logic to break it down and come to different conclusions. It is pretty amusing how quickly tolerance and not painting with a broad brush go out when someone makes it know they are Christian, Republican (or even Libertarian), believe in personal responsibility, or don't feel a need to pay for the consequences of poor decisions no matter how many poor decisions they make.

steamingpile: I guess it shouldn't surprise me that morons over here want to try and lump people you hate in with these guys to make conservatives look just as insane.

t

No, it should not.

/ The group think of many Farkers is pretty astounding.
 
2012-06-24 12:32:34 PM
I've come to wish Egypt's democracy an unhappy birthday
 
2012-06-24 12:32:47 PM

foxyshadis: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Steigen: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing."

Google quote.

See first link is deadmoran.com.

Ayup. I really recommend googling the quote. Its like a who's who of the derpanet.

Funny thing is, the source of that quote seems to be the brietbart headline, since it isn't in the video, the source link, or anywhere else. Instead, his entire speech could easily be confused for a generic Republican or Blue Dog Democrat stump speech about "we're the best" and "women already have enough rights." What else is new?


I don't speak Arabic, but the breitbard video seems to come from rabbilive.com which seems to be hosted on youtube here which seems to have the quote at 18 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9znepNvkrxI #t =18s

If any farkers speak arabic (do you?) maybe you can tell us what is actually being said.
 
2012-06-24 12:34:33 PM
Okay. Apparently, people are working under the assumption that the government in Egypt is structured and functions like the government of America and most other Western nations.

It is not and does not function as you think.

Imagine an American style political struggle between secular/liberal politicians and religious/traditionalist style politicians. That's what dominates in Egypt at the moment, but these struggles focus SOLELY on internal and domestic issues.

Social issues. The economy. Freedom of speech and the lack of jobs in a tourism based economy. Religious concerns over corruption and dealing with political corruption in the government.

Foreign issues are dealt with SOLELY by the military who function almost autonomously and separately from the government itself. Its got its own chain of command and it is not subordinate to the government itself.

Lastly, that military gets a LOT of support and funding and gifts from the U.S in the form of money and second-hand weaponry as long as the military keeps its promises about never going near Israel. Now, combine this with the fact that the military leaders in Egypt are all heavily invested in the tourism trade, you'll find that it would be suicidal on a number of levels for the Egyptian military to do 'anything' aggressive to the Israeli nation.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is ignorant of the situation and/or trolling.
 
2012-06-24 12:34:34 PM

willyfreddy: I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


Um, to be fair, when you're in a dictatorship, you generally are best to swear up and down you're not seeking power until the revolution succeeds, otherwise you'd end up with a lot of 3am knocks on your door followed a bullet by secret police if it fails. The fact they hedged their bets isn't really that indicative of deception.
 
2012-06-24 12:38:29 PM

RoyBatty: foxyshadis: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Steigen: "Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9znepNvkrxI #t =18s

If any farkers speak arabic (do you?) maybe you can tell us what is actually being said.


That isn't even Morsi. That is Safwat Hegazi, a radical imam. It's just far-right wing Israeli propaganda that deadmoran and others cited without fact-checking....who'd have thunk it.
 
2012-06-24 12:38:35 PM

Lost Thought 00: Gleeman: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

And politicians never ever go back on their campaign promises.

Sunshine and puppies for everyone!

The Egyptian President doesn't have control over the Military


Then why even bother having an election? Not like the rest of the world is actually going to do anything if the military comes out and publicly admits they've been holding the reins for the last few decades like everyone already knows.
 
2012-06-24 12:39:30 PM

diaphoresis: Awwww... you got your feelings hurt. I am soo sorry babe... now run along and play with your friends.


Projection at its finest. I'd give you a sticker, but you might put it up your nose.
 
2012-06-24 12:40:51 PM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


Here's something from May 30, 2012
Link
 
2012-06-24 12:40:57 PM
It's going to be Algeria all over again.
 
2012-06-24 12:44:11 PM

ordinarysteve: That isn't even Morsi. That is Safwat Hegazi, a radical imam. It's just far-right wing Israeli propaganda that deadmoran and others cited without fact-checking....who'd have thunk it.


Ah. Thank you.
 
2012-06-24 12:44:31 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: My realist side admits that democracy is messy, newly formed democracies even more so.


Democracy was never clean to begin with. DemocracyTM in a contemporary sense means populist aristocracy for your average dumb citizens. I think contemporary democracy doesn't really have any political value for everyone per se; it's closer of having a solid tool-like value for interest groups. So we can arguably say that today's democracy around the world is a for-profit money-making business masqueraded as politics. The world has prospered with the great help of good things called Capitalism (with a Capital C) and the rule of law. Then what about democracy? I don't know.
 
2012-06-24 12:45:42 PM
I give the pyramids 9 months before the brotherhood blows them all up.
 
2012-06-24 12:46:00 PM

smazzocity: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

Here you are: http://tinyurl.com/7aalf9m


img802.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-24 12:46:32 PM

Gleeman: Then why even bother having an election? Not like the rest of the world is actually going to do anything if the military comes out and publicly admits they've been holding the reins for the last few decades like everyone already knows.


It's much like Iran. The President gets to make a lot of public speeches and be the face of the country, but has very little actual power.
 
2012-06-24 12:46:40 PM

Gleeman: Lost Thought 00: Gleeman: moops: praxis44241: First order of business: attack Israel and get our asses handed right back to us. Again.

Mursi's political party has pledged to respect all existing treaties, including the Camp David Accords that they signed with Israel.

And politicians never ever go back on their campaign promises.

Sunshine and puppies for everyone!

The Egyptian President doesn't have control over the Military

Then why even bother having an election? Not like the rest of the world is actually going to do anything if the military comes out and publicly admits they've been holding the reins for the last few decades like everyone already knows.


Baby steps, man. This isn't the New World 1775 or so. They can't jump straight into a Western Civ style democracy straight from a military dictatorship. They're still feeling their way through this.

Realistically speaking, I expect to see the secular liberals continue to exist in their government if only to counter balance the MB. The military will see to that.

The military will continue to exist outside the government's control until such time that the government can be trusted to go along with the global status quo. As in, no overt warfare against Israel. The Sinai Canal is simply too important to national trade to have open conflict in the region.
 
2012-06-24 12:49:21 PM
And with a great "Allah Akhbar"!! the Brotherhood then whipped Egypt into a frenzy and marched on Israel only to discover Israel wasn't kidding about defending itself ...

imagecache6.allposters.com

The End
 
2012-06-24 12:49:39 PM

ordinarysteve: Safwat Hegazi


i.imgur.com

You certainly seem to be right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safwat_Hijazi

Safwat Hijazi
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Safwat Hijazi or Safwat Hegazi is an Egyptian imam and television preacher who is on the list of "Individuals banned from the UK for stirring-up hatred".[1]
The government of the United Kingdom declared that he is "considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by glorifying terrorist violence."
Hijazi was investigated in Egypt in 2006 for issuing a fatwā calling for the death of visiting Israeli officials. He later withdrew the fatwa.[2]
On December 3, 2008 Hijazi made the statement about Israeli Jews; "Dispatch those sons of apes and pigs to the Hellfire on the wings of Qassam rockets."[3]
In 2009 he declared in a television interview that Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and the Baha'i Faith were not religions but were man-made. He said Baha'is were a current danger and fought alongside Zionists in 1948.[4]


Is there any indication in the clip when that speech actually took place?

And/or anyone know what role this guy might have in the government, or the Muslim Brotherhood, or his relationship to Morsi?
 
2012-06-24 12:49:52 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
Which one of you is this guy? I'm sensing strong overtones of 'murica...fark ya in here
 
2012-06-24 12:50:12 PM
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/06/24/222413.html

This kat clearly felt his wife had enough rights before beating her to death for not voting for Mursi.

/Allahu Akbar
//Heavy Trolling
///Allahu Akbar
 
2012-06-24 12:51:57 PM
Interesting how the military still retains control of the country, and this Morsi guy is just a puppet with little power.

Poor Egypt and her people remain under a military dictatorship that takes its orders from the United States Department of Defense.
 
2012-06-24 12:51:57 PM

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way


You mean like in Pakistan, a country whose entire policies are paranoid, delusional, and which conducts a foreign policy of borderline-suicidal brinksmanship? Or the Argentine Junta? Or...

fark, I don't know why I'm bothering. It's hard to tell the bigoted imbeciles from the trolls in this thread, but all of them are going on the list.

/I've got a little list.
//No I don't. I have a farking great long list.
 
2012-06-24 12:52:08 PM

JerseyTim: Morsi wins the election and Mubarek in a coma. I know, I know. It's serious


lol

/Do you really think he'll pull through?
 
2012-06-24 12:53:43 PM

quickdraw: snocone: Some form of Christianity is in the genes

8/10 - youll get some bites for sure. The combination of science terms and Jesus talk is a nice touch.


I have no issues with this. Science and religion can co-exist. Too many disrespectful fools, secular and religious, make it difficult. Things work in a certain way (science seeks these answers), why can't the process have been started by a deity (religion says god started it). I see no evidence in scripture to indicate science is right or wrong in its activity. Science does not have an explanation for everything so faith a deity did it cannot be proven right or wrong.

"Scientists are the Devil's minion's"
"Religion is for the stupid"

/My more base instincts want me to nail people in both extremes in the genitals with bean bag rounds out of my shotgun. Don't want to kill them, just teach some manners. Good thing I am above base instincts.
 
2012-06-24 12:53:55 PM

Goodfella: Interesting how the military still retains control of the country, and this Morsi guy is just a puppet with little power.

Poor Egypt and her people remain under a military dictatorship that takes its orders from the United States Department of Defense.


Speaking a human being, this is a terrible thing and I wish them luck in finding their way to true freedom.

Speaking a human being lucky enough to be born in the U.S, I'm okay with the current state of Egypt's unofficial military government.
 
2012-06-24 12:54:37 PM

Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


It looks like they are basing their brand of Islamism off of Turkey. Not an entirely bad move. An organically created authentic Middle Eastern democracy won't look like the US or European style, and that is a good thing. Also, women do not cover their head in Turkey and they have an Islamist party governing. I don't actually know their particular stance, but it is not at all that rare to have an explicitly religious party governing an explicitly secular state and like it that way. It would be saying Germany is a Christian hellhole because it's governed by the Christian Democrats.
 
2012-06-24 12:56:40 PM
So, if I understand this correctly, it means Sarah Palin automatically becomes the Queen of Sheba and Obama has to build her a pyramid.
 
2012-06-24 12:56:59 PM

Aikidogamer: quickdraw: snocone: Some form of Christianity is in the genes

8/10 - youll get some bites for sure. The combination of science terms and Jesus talk is a nice touch.

I have no issues with this. Science and religion can co-exist. Too many disrespectful fools, secular and religious, make it difficult. Things work in a certain way (science seeks these answers), why can't the process have been started by a deity (religion says god started it). I see no evidence in scripture to indicate science is right or wrong in its activity. Science does not have an explanation for everything so faith a deity did it cannot be proven right or wrong.

"Scientists are the Devil's minion's"
"Religion is for the stupid"

/My more base instincts want me to nail people in both extremes in the genitals with bean bag rounds out of my shotgun. Don't want to kill them, just teach some manners. Good thing I am above base instincts.


We'll stop calling them dumb when they stop building theme parks putting people in the era as the dinosaurs and expecting us to take them seriously.

When they stop trying to gut science education in the name of religious freedom, then we'll stop calling them stupid.

When they embrace discovery and scientific achievement rather than condemn it as 'Satanic', then we'll stop mocking them.
 
2012-06-24 12:58:52 PM

ordinarysteve: Perhaps they completely lied but they have been in power for a day


I think I share your view here. Give them the benefit of the doubt, but prepare for the worst. I don't trust the MB, but if they are accountable to the democratic process it should temper them. Then again, preparing for a reality in which they do act as every bigot assumes they will is a responsible thing to do.
 
2012-06-24 12:59:12 PM
I'm sure everything will work out fine.
 
2012-06-24 01:00:20 PM

Infernalist: Baby steps, man. This isn't the New World 1775 or so. They can't jump straight into a Western Civ style democracy straight from a military dictatorship. They're still feeling their way through this.


It only took 1 turn of anarchy in Civ 1, and they've already used that up, so I fully expect everyone to get back to work. The military garrisons should be more than enough to prevent any unrest!
 
2012-06-24 01:01:59 PM
Hey, you libs aren't worried about this, are you?
I mean, Islam is the religion of Peace, right?

I'm sure the USA did something bad to them to make them dislike us and it has nothing to do with their religion, right?

I mean, even if ALL 300 million of us converted, we'd still have Muslims who hate us because we aren't Sunni, or Shia or Wahabbi, right?

There is a huge difference between reality and what many of us were taught reality SHOULD be. Our president is the king of this. I mean, all of that apologizing and bowing changed everything, right?

Flame on, Libbys, I never read them anyway.
 
2012-06-24 01:02:41 PM

Lupine Chemist: Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?

It looks like they are basing their brand of Islamism off of Turkey. Not an entirely bad move. An organically created authentic Middle Eastern democracy won't look like the US or European style, and that is a good thing. Also, women do not cover their head in Turkey and they have an Islamist party governing. I don't actually know their particular stance, but it is not at all that rare to have an explicitly religious party governing an explicitly secular state and like it that way. It would be saying Germany is a Christian hellhole because it's governed by the Christian Democrats.


Yeah, it sounds like he's leaning toward being an Erdogan and his party. Of course, there are a lot of secular and moderate people in Turkey who fear they are trying to turn Turkey into an Islamist state. And just because Mursi says he is going to respect women, minorities, and democracy does not mean that he actually will. Actions will speak much louder than words. As a secular liberal, I certainly wouldn't vote for an Erdogan or Mursi (or modern US Republican), but just the simple fact of being elected isn't the end of the world or of Egyptian democracy. We and most importantly, Egyptians, will have to see what his actions are and try to hold him accountable.
 
2012-06-24 01:02:57 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.


Nah, the thing I really loved is showing the hypocrisy of the right.

For nearly a decade, we heard the GOP go on and on about how we should spread democracy in the Middle East (while we were blowing up Iraq).

Fast forward nearly 10 years later and those same people are outraged that democracy is spreading to Egypt because the Egyptians are not voting for the people we wanted them to vote for.

Honestly, whatever happens there is none of our farking business.
 
2012-06-24 01:03:03 PM

foxyshadis: Infernalist: Baby steps, man. This isn't the New World 1775 or so. They can't jump straight into a Western Civ style democracy straight from a military dictatorship. They're still feeling their way through this.

It only took 1 turn of anarchy in Civ 1, and they've already used that up, so I fully expect everyone to get back to work. The military garrisons should be more than enough to prevent any unrest!


Maybe their version is the glitchy launch version and they haven't patched it yet.
 
2012-06-24 01:05:47 PM

Mrtraveler01: EvilRacistNaziFascist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.

Nah, the thing I really loved is showing the hypocrisy of the right.

For nearly a decade, we heard the GOP go on and on about how we should spread democracy in the Middle East (while we were blowing up Iraq).

Fast forward nearly 10 years later and those same people are outraged that democracy is spreading to Egypt because the Egyptians are not voting for the people we wanted them to vote for.

Honestly, whatever happens there is none of our farking business.


And the best part is when US Republicans get upset when people in Muslim countries vote for conservative religious parties.
 
2012-06-24 01:05:59 PM

Aikidogamer: I have no issues with this. Science and religion can co-exist.


Of course they can - and usually do with no problem. I was referring to the creationist crowd - which I gather you are not a member of.
 
2012-06-24 01:06:43 PM
He's dropped out of the Muslim Brotherhood and Freedom Party.
 
2012-06-24 01:07:48 PM

WorldCitizen: Mrtraveler01: EvilRacistNaziFascist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.

Nah, the thing I really loved is showing the hypocrisy of the right.

For nearly a decade, we heard the GOP go on and on about how we should spread democracy in the Middle East (while we were blowing up Iraq).

Fast forward nearly 10 years later and those same people are outraged that democracy is spreading to Egypt because the Egyptians are not voting for the people we wanted them to vote for.

Honestly, whatever happens there is none of our farking business.

And the best part is when US Republicans get upset when people in Muslim countries vote for conservative religious parties.


Of course they're upset. Those other religious conservatives aren't Christian conservatives. That makes them tools of Satan.
 
2012-06-24 01:10:30 PM
I am happy. I see more and more farkers resisting the whole Liberal Arts College indoctrinated crap. It gives me hope.

Hey, remember all fo those evil corporations you guys protested? I'll bet you are begging them for a job right now. Maybe they aren't so evil after all, no matter what your History or PoliSci prof told you.

Comparing MB to GOP is a convenient way to lump together your enemies but it has no basis in reality. It's like trying to compare Jeffrey Dahmer to Lex Luthor.

Also, the idea that all religion is bad is hysterical yammerings. Say what you want about the Born Agains, but at least they educate their women, and don't drive airplanes into buildings, kill Olympic Athletes, use the law to persecute non believers or object to ALL art, music or flying kites.
 
2012-06-24 01:11:04 PM
I never wanted to the the pyramids anyway
 
2012-06-24 01:13:46 PM

Infernalist: Goodfella: Interesting how the military still retains control of the country, and this Morsi guy is just a puppet with little power.

Poor Egypt and her people remain under a military dictatorship that takes its orders from the United States Department of Defense.

Speaking a human being, this is a terrible thing and I wish them luck in finding their way to true freedom.

Speaking a human being lucky enough to be born in the U.S, I'm okay with the current state of Egypt's unofficial military government.



Approves of your attitude:

i1004.photobucket.com


Hence the reason Americans are correctly referred to as "Little Eichmanns". The lifestyles of the members of any reigning empire, whether it be a Roman plebeian under Julius Caesar, a Kul under the Ottoman Suleiman the Magnificent, or a serf under Queen Elizabeth I, tend to be radically nationalist and disregard the basic human rights of those that their empire oppresses. America and her peasant class are no different.
 
2012-06-24 01:13:54 PM

jbar19: I am happy. I see more and more farkers resisting the whole Liberal Arts College indoctrinated crap. It gives me hope.

Hey, remember all fo those evil corporations you guys protested? I'll bet you are begging them for a job right now. Maybe they aren't so evil after all, no matter what your History or PoliSci prof told you.

Comparing MB to GOP is a convenient way to lump together your enemies but it has no basis in reality. It's like trying to compare Jeffrey Dahmer to Lex Luthor.

Also, the idea that all religion is bad is hysterical yammerings. Say what you want about the Born Agains, but at least they educate their women, and don't drive airplanes into buildings, kill Olympic Athletes, use the law to persecute non believers or object to ALL art, music or flying kites.


wtfamireading.jpg
 
2012-06-24 01:15:56 PM

jbar19: Say what you want about the Born Agains, but at least they educate their women,


Are you sure about that?

But to be fair ALL born against aren't educated in the "traditional" sense. Religious brainwashing is a kind of education right?
 
2012-06-24 01:16:13 PM

Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's
 
2012-06-24 01:16:49 PM
Jenna Jameson, and Jenna Haze could change the Muslim world.

I truly get the idea that their anger is somehow misprojected homosexual or heterosexual tension. If we dropped Porn DVDs instead of bombs we might get farther.

i read that the inmates in Gitmo smashed TVs when commercials came on where women had bare arms. And their favorite TV show is 'Deadliest Catch', you know, the one where a bunch of manly men are all alone on the high seas, isolated, living in close quarters with no women..

I'll bet Hercules movies would be REALLY big in the Muslim world.

The sad thruth is, Muslims need a Reformation that brings them in line with the 18th Century, let alone the 21st.

Who will be the John Locke of the Muslim world, the Thomas Jefferson? We are still waiting.
 
2012-06-24 01:18:21 PM

Goodfella: Infernalist: Goodfella: Interesting how the military still retains control of the country, and this Morsi guy is just a puppet with little power.

Poor Egypt and her people remain under a military dictatorship that takes its orders from the United States Department of Defense.

Speaking a human being, this is a terrible thing and I wish them luck in finding their way to true freedom.

Speaking a human being lucky enough to be born in the U.S, I'm okay with the current state of Egypt's unofficial military government.


Approves of your attitude:

[i1004.photobucket.com image 262x411]

Hence the reason Americans are correctly referred to as "Little Eichmanns". The lifestyles of the members of any reigning empire, whether it be a Roman plebeian under Julius Caesar, a Kul under the Ottoman Suleiman the Magnificent, or a serf under Queen Elizabeth I, tend to be radically nationalist and disregard the basic human rights of those that their empire oppresses. America and her peasant class are no different.


Well, no shiat, Sherlock. Am I supposed to be protesting against my government because it's doing a bang up job of ensuring that 'I' have a good life and our borders are safe and secure?

As a citizen of the world, I weep for the Egyptian people, but as a citizen of the United States, I'm perfectly fine with our government paying off the military to keep that country from going to war with Israel and throwing the region and the global economy into a farking tailspin again.

Speaking as a human being, it's a terrible thing what's happening to the Egyptians, but as an American, it's the best option available.

Also trollbait comments like 'peasant' are funny. Gimme some more.
 
2012-06-24 01:18:22 PM

Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's


I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.
 
2012-06-24 01:20:19 PM
This looks accurate Link
 
2012-06-24 01:21:40 PM

SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way


terminallance.com
A rational conversation.
 
2012-06-24 01:25:00 PM

Infernalist: We'll stop calling them dumb when they stop building theme parks putting people in the era as the dinosaurs and expecting us to take them seriously.

I usually tend to not do my science in a theme park, unless it is physics, then it is just plain fun. Ooooooo....roller coaster physics problems! Don't like the park? Don't go. Wait for capitalism to work and they go away or make money just to piss you off. Ever consider picking a smaller brush. Certainly, some religious zealots believe that depiction is accurate, but not many. Also have you ever considered theme parks not repositories of knowledge and should not be treated as such?

When they stop trying to gut science education in the name of religious freedom, then we'll stop calling them stupid.

The word "gut" is going to need context for me to answer this. (funding, teaching alternate theories, offering religious comparison classes?)

When they embrace discovery and scientific achievement rather than condemn it as 'Satanic', then we'll stop mocking them.


Sentiment was covered by the whole "Scientists are Satan's minions" comment.

/If trolling, 3/10.
// If not, a good example of the disrespect for others I was talking about.
 
2012-06-24 01:25:38 PM
Note to self, invest in burka manufacturing companies.
 
2012-06-24 01:26:55 PM
Mrtraveler01
Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's

I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.


And you got 4/8 more years of Bush
 
2012-06-24 01:29:16 PM

Gdalescrboz: Millions of you libs bought Obama's

Grey Poupon?
 
2012-06-24 01:29:20 PM

Aikidogamer: Infernalist: We'll stop calling them dumb when they stop building theme parks putting people in the era as the dinosaurs and expecting us to take them seriously.

I usually tend to not do my science in a theme park, unless it is physics, then it is just plain fun. Ooooooo....roller coaster physics problems! Don't like the park? Don't go. Wait for capitalism to work and they go away or make money just to piss you off. Ever consider picking a smaller brush. Certainly, some religious zealots believe that depiction is accurate, but not many. Also have you ever considered theme parks not repositories of knowledge and should not be treated as such?

When they stop trying to gut science education in the name of religious freedom, then we'll stop calling them stupid.

The word "gut" is going to need context for me to answer this. (funding, teaching alternate theories, offering religious comparison classes?)

When they embrace discovery and scientific achievement rather than condemn it as 'Satanic', then we'll stop mocking them.

Sentiment was covered by the whole "Scientists are Satan's minions" comment.

/If trolling, 3/10.
// If not, a good example of the disrespect for others I was talking about.


Respect is given as it is received. You don't see scientists going to churches passing out copies of Darwin's 'Evolution of the Species'.
 
2012-06-24 01:30:11 PM

czetie: SoCalSurfer: Military's tend to be more rational in the long run than theocratic governments. There's gonna be brutality either way

You mean like in Pakistan, a country whose entire policies are paranoid, delusional, and which conducts a foreign policy of borderline-suicidal brinksmanship? Or the Argentine Junta? Or...

fark, I don't know why I'm bothering. It's hard to tell the bigoted imbeciles from the trolls in this thread, but all of them are going on the list.
/I've got a little list.
//No I don't. I have a farking great long list.



notofailure.files.wordpress.com

Great way to have your world view challenged!
 
2012-06-24 01:31:12 PM

Gdalescrboz: Mrtraveler01
Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's

I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.

And you got 4/8 more years of Bush


Yeah, i should've voted for McCain. I mean he wouldn't have replicated the Bush years any better than Obama did right?

Let me guess, I should've voted for neo-confederate RON PAUL right?
 
2012-06-24 01:36:30 PM

Gdalescrboz: And you got 4/8 more years of Bush


Nah - attractive young non-mainstream President talking up liberal causes while pushing mostly mildly conservative ones, and continually opposed by a deeply conservative Congress... he's the next JFK. Remember when being Catholic meant you couldn't run for anything outside of Massachusetts?

/Survived a little longer, tho.
 
2012-06-24 01:38:59 PM
pnmedia.gamespy.com ...suddenly, he appears?
/not the same brotherhood?
 
2012-06-24 01:39:05 PM

quickdraw: Curious: not only is the average woman's life going to get a lot worse

You seem awfully sure of that and Im wondering why.


ordinarysteve: MB has said they will support the Camp David Peace accord, as well as protecting women and minority rights.


because unlike ordinarysteve i don't believe them. they are trying like crazy to project rationality but (like the republicans) their base is going to rip them for that.

there is a complicating factor in the military that none of us can adequately predict right now. Egypt's best long term prospects are for an open society but the same can be said for Afghanistan and you know how well that's working out.
 
2012-06-24 01:40:20 PM

quickdraw: Aikidogamer: I have no issues with this. Science and religion can co-exist.

Of course they can - and usually do with no problem. I was referring to the creationist crowd - which I gather you are not a member of.


I am in the sense that the Big Bang occurred and that mass had to come from somewhere. Also things since the Big Bang have happened fortuitously to create life and many other things we see. Some say random, but because God was bored is about as good of explanation too. I also like the idea of another plane of existence when my time is up on this one, not that I have any issue using science to prolong said time (would enjoy having cybernetic implants or stem cell replicated organs to extend life).

In the sense that the earth is only 6k years old....no. Take the Bible completely literally...HELL NO. (dead languages, translation assumptions, and the fact it was passed down by word make me think it can't possibly be the complete word of God anymore. That is just ignoring good sense and human nature)
 
2012-06-24 01:42:04 PM
We need to pool our money and open up a chain of burka shops accross Egypt. We'll call it "Farkin' Burkas". We'll make a killing! Who's in?
 
2012-06-24 01:44:18 PM

Curious: quickdraw: Curious: not only is the average woman's life going to get a lot worse

You seem awfully sure of that and Im wondering why.

ordinarysteve: MB has said they will support the Camp David Peace accord, as well as protecting women and minority rights.

because unlike ordinarysteve i don't believe them. they are trying like crazy to project rationality but (like the republicans) their base is going to rip them for that.

there is a complicating factor in the military that none of us can adequately predict right now. Egypt's best long term prospects are for an open society but the same can be said for Afghanistan and you know how well that's working out.


Can't predict the military? notsureifserious.jpg

Let me 'predict' it for you:

The Egyptian military is going to continue playing their role as decider of foreign policy decisions and they're going to leave domestic matters to the feuding goverment.

They're going to continue to play the line of neutrality to Israel and give grudging help to the Palestinians, but they're NOT going to do anything that's going to cause the flood of aid and weaponry from the West to dry up. They'll overthrow the Egyptian government and install a puppet before they allow the Egyptian state to get aggressive with Israel again.
 
2012-06-24 01:44:56 PM

Infernalist: There's a lot of hysterical womenrepublicans in this thread.


FIFY
 
2012-06-24 01:46:11 PM

This Amp Goes To 11: dawnofdaycare: The Spinx and the the statues of the pharaohs are open for being destroyed now, just like like the Buddhist statues destroyed in Afghanistan. Sad.

Your understanding of middle east culture, politics and religion is pretty superficial if that's what you genuinely believe.


Why, yes. Yes it is. I have based my entire belief structure on what learned from the internet.
 
2012-06-24 01:46:32 PM
On this planet there are a sh*atload of bridges that are currently missing their trolls.

Egyptians aren't stupid. Many Egyptian physicians (both men & women) have moved to and practice here in the US, they know how the "western world" works and so do their friends & family back home.

They have access to satallite TV so they have news access as well as cultural access and have had for years. Unlike some other third world nations Egypt's upper & middle class have access to decent education as well as some rights for women (compared to some other Islamic nations i.e. Iran or Indonesia).

If Egypt decides to tangle militarily with Israel they will pay a price.

In this case, I believe the "Islamic Brotherhood" has bitten off far more than they can chew.
 
2012-06-24 01:47:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: But to be fair ALL born against aren't educated in the "traditional" sense. Religious brainwashing is a kind of education right?


Please don't lump the rest of us Christians in with these Martians....

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-24 01:49:08 PM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


It's like how the Ayatollah Khomeini never had any intention of seeking power over Iran. Banisadr was elected president.

/but then Banisadr started blaspheming Islam, with that "separation of church and state" nonsense
//so Khomeini "had no choice" but to replace him
 
2012-06-24 01:49:38 PM

Infernalist: Respect is given as it is received. You don't see scientists going to churches passing out copies of Darwin's 'Evolution of the Species'


You might try it. I would not find that offensive at all. If handing out Bibles is all it takes to offend you.....
 
2012-06-24 01:49:46 PM

quickdraw: Perhaps my paper on Furryism and Midsummer Nights Dream for my MFA in Theatre was in poor taste but I dont think it's a regime changer.


btw that's not how i remember it :)
 
2012-06-24 01:51:19 PM

Aikidogamer: Infernalist: Respect is given as it is received. You don't see scientists going to churches passing out copies of Darwin's 'Evolution of the Species'

You might try it. I would not find that offensive at all. If handing out Bibles is all it takes to offend you.....


It doesn't offend me but it does sound pretty tempting to go to one of those bigass megachurches in town and troll them with this.

/very lapsed Catholic
 
2012-06-24 01:54:57 PM
Mrtraveler01

Gdalescrboz: Mrtraveler01
Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's

I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.

And you got 4/8 more years of Bush

Yeah, i should've voted for McCain. I mean he wouldn't have replicated the Bush years any better than Obama did right?

Let me guess, I should've voted for neo-confederate RON PAUL right?


Sure, i dont care. Anything not Republican/Dem main stream would be nice
 
2012-06-24 01:55:43 PM

zulius: [pnmedia.gamespy.com image 200x200] ...suddenly, he appears?
/not the same brotherhood?


Keep you eye on space..Tiberium will really FARK our environment.
 
2012-06-24 01:58:59 PM

Mrtraveler01: Aikidogamer: Infernalist: Respect is given as it is received. You don't see scientists going to churches passing out copies of Darwin's 'Evolution of the Species'

You might try it. I would not find that offensive at all. If handing out Bibles is all it takes to offend you.....

It doesn't offend me but it does sound pretty tempting to go to one of those bigass megachurches in town and troll them with this.

/very lapsed Catholic


I'd join you. What is faith if it cannot withstand a reference book or an opposing view?
 
2012-06-24 01:59:11 PM
How many jets did we sell these f*cking idiots?

/time for a new reality show
//the real bomb-shelter wives
///of Tel Aviv
 
2012-06-24 01:59:30 PM

Gdalescrboz: Mrtraveler01

Gdalescrboz: Mrtraveler01
Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's

I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.

And you got 4/8 more years of Bush

Yeah, i should've voted for McCain. I mean he wouldn't have replicated the Bush years any better than Obama did right?

Let me guess, I should've voted for neo-confederate RON PAUL right?


Sure, i dont care. Anything not Republican/Dem main stream would be nice


Ah I see, you're one of those kind of voters. Not sure what we should vote for but not Obama and Romney.

You come back with someone better than Obama who is not Romney and then you might have something.
 
2012-06-24 02:03:32 PM

Mrtraveler01: Ah I see, you're one of those kind of voters. Not sure what we should vote for but not Obama and Romney.

You come back with someone better than Obama who is not Romney and then you might have something.


How about a constitutional amendment that would change the government from winner take all elections to a multi party system?
 
2012-06-24 02:09:22 PM

Aikidogamer: Mrtraveler01: Ah I see, you're one of those kind of voters. Not sure what we should vote for but not Obama and Romney.

You come back with someone better than Obama who is not Romney and then you might have something.

How about a constitutional amendment that would change the government from winner take all elections to a multi party system?


You mean like a Parliamentary system? I'd love that too but I'm not holding my breath.
 
2012-06-24 02:15:21 PM
Seems like his opponent graciously conceded defeat, and they're moving on.

Hopefully the Copts get more rights there and a peaceful era of tolerance between everyone develops.
 
2012-06-24 02:17:36 PM
Will the media still claim Obama is responsible for the Arab Spring now?

Remember how these guys were just a boogey man of the right to undermine Obama's diplomatic success?
 
2012-06-24 02:18:24 PM
That supposedly Chinese curse of 'May you live in interesting time' is really kicking into full gear this summer
 
2012-06-24 02:23:03 PM

Nemo's Brother: Will the media still claim Obama is responsible for the Arab Spring now?

Remember how these guys were just a boogey man of the right to undermine Obama's diplomatic success?


No. Do you remember a time you didn't sound so stupid?

No one in a serious position credited this to Obama and those that tried to credit this to Obama were laughed out of the room.
 
2012-06-24 02:25:29 PM

Aikidogamer: Infernalist: We'll stop calling them dumb when they stop building theme parks putting people in the era as the dinosaurs and expecting us to take them seriously.

I usually tend to not do my science in a theme park, unless it is physics, then it is just plain fun. Ooooooo....roller coaster physics problems! Don't like the park? Don't go. Wait for capitalism to work and they go away or make money just to piss you off. Ever consider picking a smaller brush. Certainly, some religious zealots believe that depiction is accurate, but not many. Also have you ever considered theme parks not repositories of knowledge and should not be treated as such?

When they stop trying to gut science education in the name of religious freedom, then we'll stop calling them stupid.

The word "gut" is going to need context for me to answer this. (funding, teaching alternate theories, offering religious comparison classes?)

When they embrace discovery and scientific achievement rather than condemn it as 'Satanic', then we'll stop mocking them.

Sentiment was covered by the whole "Scientists are Satan's minions" comment.

/If trolling, 3/10.
// If not, a good example of the disrespect for others I was talking about.


You know... I'm Christian. I'm dating a Jew. I live in what might be referred to as "the Bible Belt", around Central Missouri.

I really, really wonder where all of these crazy creationist Christians are. I mean, according to Fark, I'm one. I am supposed to reject all reason, think that Jesus wanted America to nuke all non-believers (which would include the wonderful woman sitting next to me on the couch at this moment) and stone scientists to death for their blasphemy. I'm supposed to be living in the middle of "Jesus' 'Mericuh" where we all bomb abortion clinics and tell people they're going to hell for being gay. Again, I've never met any of these "nutjob Xtians" that supposedly work to make life miserable for the rest of you.

I know quite a few of the people I grew up going to church with are going on to study many things, including biology, computer science, math, and other things that we're supposed to hate. Could it be that most Christians (and Jews, Muslims, etc.) are actually just normal people and see science as perfectly acceptable?
 
2012-06-24 02:28:04 PM

Mrtraveler01: Gdalescrboz: Mrtraveler01

Gdalescrboz: Mrtraveler01
Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's

I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.

And you got 4/8 more years of Bush

Yeah, i should've voted for McCain. I mean he wouldn't have replicated the Bush years any better than Obama did right?

Let me guess, I should've voted for neo-confederate RON PAUL right?


Sure, i dont care. Anything not Republican/Dem main stream would be nice

Ah I see, you're one of those kind of voters. Not sure what we should vote for but not Obama and Romney.

You come back with someone better than Obama who is not Romney and then you might have something.


Gary Johnson?
 
2012-06-24 02:29:56 PM

Mrtraveler01: You mean like a Parliamentary system? I'd love that too but I'm not holding my breath.


I know, right. Take heart in the fact many of the under 40 republicans care more about having a great economy than telling people what morals they should have. There is a tug of war in the party and if the more libertarian wing takes over govt will get cheaper and smaller.
 
2012-06-24 02:33:08 PM

Marine1: I know quite a few of the people I grew up going to church with are going on to study many things, including biology, computer science, math, and other things that we're supposed to hate. Could it be that most Christians (and Jews, Muslims, etc.) are actually just normal people and see science as perfectly acceptable?


It would make many Farker head explode if they new this truth.
 
2012-06-24 02:33:59 PM

Marine1: really, really wonder where all of these crazy creationist Christians are. I mean, according to Fark, I'm one. I am supposed to reject all reason, think that Jesus wanted America to nuke all non-believers (which would include the wonderful woman sitting next to me on the couch at this moment) and stone scientists to death for their blasphemy. I'm supposed to be living in the middle of "Jesus' 'Mericuh" where we all bomb abortion clinics and tell people they're going to hell for being gay. Again, I've never met any of these "nutjob Xtians" that supposedly work to make life miserable for the rest of you.


You live right down the road from Jefferson City and you're asking us this question?

Or do we need to propose a "don't say gay" bill in schools a second time and regulate strip clubs even further for you to realize these loons do exist.

/Disgruntled Missouri Christian
 
2012-06-24 02:34:44 PM

Aikidogamer: Marine1: I know quite a few of the people I grew up going to church with are going on to study many things, including biology, computer science, math, and other things that we're supposed to hate. Could it be that most Christians (and Jews, Muslims, etc.) are actually just normal people and see science as perfectly acceptable?

It would make many Farker head explode if they new this truth.


Most Christians I know are pretty sane as well. But it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for the rest of us.
 
2012-06-24 02:35:53 PM

Nemo's Brother: Will the media still claim Obama is responsible for the Arab Spring now?




The deregulation of the US financial markets caused the Arab Spring, which basically turned out to be what we call in the business a lagging indicator.


1. Financial deregulation during Clinton and Bush II years

2. Speculators drive up price of oil

3. Replacements for oil sought and found in corn ethanol, removing huge swaths of US corn (normally used for for feeding countries all around the world).

4. Price of corn skyrockets. Corn producers realize huge gains in wealth.

5. Riots all over the world protesting the high price of food (i.e. corn). This is what we refer to today as the "Arab Spring". The OWS movement is America's version of this (although more muted) in that it is protesting the rising cost of living while average wages are decreasing, or in other words, class war declared upon the Middle Class.

6. Some of these riots turn into full blown revolutions resulting in the toppling of entire governments.

The irony, of course, being that greedy American kleptocrats have caused the overthrow of many of the puppet regimes they put in place during the Cold War as a check on the Soviets. And judging from the trending of history from a long-term perspective, they will also end up causing the overthrow of their own kleptocratic regime right here in America.

Round and round the wheel goes. Where it will land, no one knows.
 
2012-06-24 02:36:20 PM
Something tells me the Egyptian "democracy" will be very much like--until recently--the Turkish variety: if the civil government becomes a nuance, the military will "fix" it.
 
2012-06-24 02:43:50 PM
"After his victory was announced, Morsi resigned from the Muslim Brotherhood and the Freedom and Justice Party, in an apparent effort to send the message that he will represent all Egyptians."

Link
 
2012-06-24 02:45:52 PM

Mrtraveler01: Aikidogamer: Marine1: I know quite a few of the people I grew up going to church with are going on to study many things, including biology, computer science, math, and other things that we're supposed to hate. Could it be that most Christians (and Jews, Muslims, etc.) are actually just normal people and see science as perfectly acceptable?

It would make many Farker head explode if they new this truth.

Most Christians I know are pretty sane as well. But it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for the rest of us.


Hence the Farva pic....
 
2012-06-24 02:48:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: Marine1: really, really wonder where all of these crazy creationist Christians are. I mean, according to Fark, I'm one. I am supposed to reject all reason, think that Jesus wanted America to nuke all non-believers (which would include the wonderful woman sitting next to me on the couch at this moment) and stone scientists to death for their blasphemy. I'm supposed to be living in the middle of "Jesus' 'Mericuh" where we all bomb abortion clinics and tell people they're going to hell for being gay. Again, I've never met any of these "nutjob Xtians" that supposedly work to make life miserable for the rest of you.

You live right down the road from Jefferson City and you're asking us this question?

Or do we need to propose a "don't say gay" bill in schools a second time and regulate strip clubs even further for you to realize these loons do exist.

/Disgruntled Missouri Christian


The strip club thing... yeah, but it's more or less offset by the fact that the stretch of interstate known as I-70 between KC and St. Louis is probably the most perverted highway in the country.

As for that dick representative, well, then a Catholic colleague of his came out as gay.

Like I hear about these guys in the news but the way it's said here on Fark (by what would appear to be a bunch of Dawkins acolytes) is that we're all here to impose Biblical law on the land and shiat. It's just not true. Hell, it even comes up in threads not even remotely related to conservative Christians in the US, like this one.
 
2012-06-24 02:51:55 PM
Meh.

Military still holds actual power.

They just dissolved parliament, why not the presidency?
 
2012-06-24 02:53:25 PM

Marine1: Like I hear about these guys in the news but the way it's said here on Fark (by what would appear to be a bunch of Dawkins acolytes) is that we're all here to impose Biblical law on the land and shiat. It's just not true. Hell, it even comes up in threads not even remotely related to conservative Christians in the US, like this one.


You want to start a real tizzy, tell them you are a recreational shooter and gun collector as well. Then it is 3..2...1....Flame thread!
 
2012-06-24 02:54:01 PM

ryant123: steamingpile: Non-military? Riiiiiight......

And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.

But nice troll.

I don't know about killing gays, but the first two things you mention have pretty much become the GOP's official platform.

.
.
The derp here is strong and deep as always.
 
2012-06-24 02:54:36 PM

Stantz: I never wanted to the the pyramids anyway




i229.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-24 02:58:56 PM

Aikidogamer: Marine1: Like I hear about these guys in the news but the way it's said here on Fark (by what would appear to be a bunch of Dawkins acolytes) is that we're all here to impose Biblical law on the land and shiat. It's just not true. Hell, it even comes up in threads not even remotely related to conservative Christians in the US, like this one.

You want to start a real tizzy, tell them you are a recreational shooter and gun collector as well. Then it is 3..2...1....Flame thread!


I don't collect guns... and don't like to discuss the topic in public, but, yeah, a nice trip to the range every once in a while is enjoyable.
 
2012-06-24 03:01:20 PM
"Blow back" from US instigated "regime change". It's easy, just win their hearts and minds. (long read but worth it)
 
2012-06-24 03:03:41 PM

Hector Remarkable: Stantz: I never wanted to the the pyramids anyway



[i229.photobucket.com image 300x300]


Oh hush, you
 
2012-06-24 03:04:39 PM
He's says he'll maintain the 1979 Accord.

i229.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-24 03:09:39 PM

jbar19: Also, the idea that all religion is bad is hysterical yammerings. Say what you want about the Born Agains, but at least they educate their women, and don't drive airplanes into buildings, kill Olympic Athletes, use the law to persecute non believers or object to ALL art, music or flying kites.


Okay. I'll bite. Born agains brainwash their women and provide woefully inadequate education. You're living proof.
 
2012-06-24 03:25:38 PM

ordinarysteve: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]
Which one of you is this guy? I'm sensing strong overtones of 'murica...fark ya in here


And everything I learned about Christianity I learned in Northern Ireland.
 
2012-06-24 03:31:43 PM
President Obama: This should make the Middle East a calmer, more rational place ... right?
 
2012-06-24 03:37:28 PM

ordinarysteve: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]
Which one of you is this guy? I'm sensing strong overtones of 'murica...fark ya in here


That guy is probably an asshole, but I doubt he gets many speeding tickets.
 
2012-06-24 03:38:04 PM

barneyfifesbullet: President Obama: This should make the Middle East a calmer, more rational place ... right?


No. Clearly we should be more clear in our hypocrisy.

When we said we wanted to spread democracy throughout the Middle East, we REALLY meant to say we wanted to spread US/Israel friendly democracy throughout the Middle East.

But tell me smart guy, what should have Obama done in this situation?
 
2012-06-24 03:39:00 PM

Jamdug!: ordinarysteve: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]
Which one of you is this guy? I'm sensing strong overtones of 'murica...fark ya in here

That guy is probably an asshole, but I doubt he gets many speeding tickets.


He's a neo-nazi too. The license plate is blurred because it makes some reference to the Aryan nation or something.
 
2012-06-24 03:47:24 PM

barneyfifesbullet: President Obama: This should make the Middle East a calmer, more rational place ... right?


HotAir parrot. You conservatives should feel lucky. This will be a perfect example of what a strong conservative government is like. I don't put much faith in it seeing as there has never been a successful strong conservative government in the history of mankind that hasn't either been overthrown by the people or been an utter economic failure.
 
2012-06-24 03:54:28 PM

ObeliskToucher: AlanSmithee: My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.

And yet... she's returning to Canada.

/NTTAWWT


Well, she's got citizenship, is smart as a whip, has a well-paying job,and you can be sure she sends money back home. Oh, and she loves Canada. And Egypt too. Turns out she'd like Egypt to be a bit more like Canada. By living here and telling her relatives back in Egypt how great democracy is, I think she's doing good.
 
2012-06-24 03:57:57 PM
i106.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-24 04:00:38 PM

Mock26: In before the "muslims are evil" derp.


... and yet, people with your sentiment will turn around and scream to high hell if say, an evangelistic christian runs for president.

Extremists of any sort (be it religious, political, moral, etc) are bad no matter what they represent. Of course if you're fine with a guy who's so encouched in his fundamentalism he runs under the "muslim brotherhood" banner, I'm sure you'd be fine with living over there and enjoying the oppressive hardline fundamentalism and bigoted policies he's going to inflict. Riiiight?
 
2012-06-24 04:05:07 PM

willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly


Marine1: Mrtraveler01: Marine1: really, really wonder where all of these crazy creationist Christians are. I mean, according to Fark, I'm one. I am supposed to reject all reason, think that Jesus wanted America to nuke all non-believers (which would include the wonderful woman sitting next to me on the couch at this moment) and stone scientists to death for their blasphemy. I'm supposed to be living in the middle of "Jesus' 'Mericuh" where we all bomb abortion clinics and tell people they're going to hell for being gay. Again, I've never met any of these "nutjob Xtians" that supposedly work to make life miserable for the rest of you.

You live right down the road from Jefferson City and you're asking us this question?

Or do we need to propose a "don't say gay" bill in schools a second time and regulate strip clubs even further for you to realize these loons do exist.

/Disgruntled Missouri Christian

The strip club thing... yeah, but it's more or less offset by the fact that the stretch of interstate known as I-70 between KC and St. Louis is probably the most perverted highway in the country.

As for that dick representative, well, then a Catholic colleague of his came out as gay.

Like I hear about these guys in the news but the way it's said here on Fark (by what would appear to be a bunch of Dawkins acolytes) is that we're all here to impose Biblical law on the land and shiat. It's just not true. Hell, it even comes up in threads not even remotely related to conservative Christians in the US, like this one.


There are absolutely Christians who think US law should be Biblically-based. Ain't a conspiracy, they're right out in the open, and proud of it. Quite a lot of 'em, too. If you read some US history, you'll see there've been a half-dozen fairly major attempts to revise the Constitution to refer to God, etc.
 
2012-06-24 04:09:52 PM

steamingpile: Infernalist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

I believe the reference you're looking for was a street rep being asked by a BBC reporter if they intended on 'seizing' power and/or instituting Taliban-style Sharia law, which the street rep denied.

The MB is the equivalent to a Christian political party in the U.S. Imagine if the Moral Majority had gone into politics on its own without wedding itself to the GOP.

MB is not equivalent you farking morons, they are for instituting Islamic based laws inside the government, basing your decisions on your religion is a big difference than saying your government follows a religions beliefs.


That's a distinction without a difference for non-believers, however.
 
2012-06-24 04:12:39 PM

Aikidogamer: Mrtraveler01: You mean like a Parliamentary system? I'd love that too but I'm not holding my breath.

I know, right. Take heart in the fact many of the under 40 republicans care more about having a great economy than telling people what morals they should have. There is a tug of war in the party and if the more libertarian wing takes over govt will get cheaper and smaller.


Unfortunately, the money and numbers inside the current Republican party are running roughly 9 - 1 social conservative vs. fiscal conservative.

Just look at state and national Tea Party legislation to date: 9 parts pro-life, 1 part smaller government.
 
2012-06-24 04:19:32 PM

KellyX: [i106.photobucket.com image 454x700]


Not mentioned: the Internet Smartass thinks the glass is full. Half full of water, half full of air.
 
2012-06-24 04:21:47 PM
First, expect to see "pagan monuments", i.e., the Pyramids, Karnak, etc. dynamited. Then, when the tourism dollars dry up, likely they'll make war again with Israel to a, distract the population, and b, reduce some of the surplus Egyptian population.
 
2012-06-24 04:34:56 PM
Democracy: The Choose Your Own Dictator Game.

Yeah, who didn't see this coming a mile away. 1.609 km for our Canadian friends.
 
2012-06-24 04:42:46 PM
The

cynicalbastard: First, expect to see "pagan monuments", i.e., the Pyramids, Karnak, etc. dynamited. Then, when the tourism dollars dry up, likely they'll make war again with Israel to a, distract the population, and b, reduce some of the surplus Egyptian population.


===============

Islam, like Judaism. forbids the making of "graven images" or idols. The pre-Islamic statuary of gods, kings and the like is not allowed. Under strict Sharia law these things would probably be destroyed. The Pyramids and other buildings that are not in the form of 'idols' would probably be OK.
 
2012-06-24 04:44:32 PM

dawnofdaycare: The Spinx and the the statues of the pharaohs are open for being destroyed now, just like like the Buddhist statues destroyed in Afghanistan. Sad.


cdn.bleacherreport.net
Come at me bro
 
2012-06-24 05:12:28 PM
FYI: anyone trying to do a Google Image Search for Mursi might still wind up a bit confused (NSFW, in the National Geographic sense).
 
2012-06-24 05:18:54 PM

Lupine Chemist: Nogale: You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?

It looks like they are basing their brand of Islamism off of Turkey. Not an entirely bad move. An organically created authentic Middle Eastern democracy won't look like the US or European style, and that is a good thing. Also, women do not cover their head in Turkey and they have an Islamist party governing. I don't actually know their particular stance, but it is not at all that rare to have an explicitly religious party governing an explicitly secular state and like it that way. It would be saying Germany is a Christian hellhole because it's governed by the Christian Democrats.


Say what now? Since the Islamists were voted in, Turkey has been stirring up all sorts of crap. But then, they can attack PKK targets outside their borders in the name of combatting terrorism and no one bats an eyelash.
 
2012-06-24 05:19:20 PM
i577.photobucket.com

Bring back Farouk! He had a pick-pocket show him the ropes so he could filch the shah's jewels and had an extensive elephant pornography collection. I admire this in a politician. That should be the litmus test: an admiration of elephant porn.
 
2012-06-24 05:22:20 PM

PunGent: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

Marine1: Mrtraveler01: Marine1: really, really wonder where all of these crazy creationist Christians are. I mean, according to Fark, I'm one. I am supposed to reject all reason, think that Jesus wanted America to nuke all non-believers (which would include the wonderful woman sitting next to me on the couch at this moment) and stone scientists to death for their blasphemy. I'm supposed to be living in the middle of "Jesus' 'Mericuh" where we all bomb abortion clinics and tell people they're going to hell for being gay. Again, I've never met any of these "nutjob Xtians" that supposedly work to make life miserable for the rest of you.

You live right down the road from Jefferson City and you're asking us this question?

Or do we need to propose a "don't say gay" bill in schools a second time and regulate strip clubs even further for you to realize these loons do exist.

/Disgruntled Missouri Christian

The strip club thing... yeah, but it's more or less offset by the fact that the stretch of interstate known as I-70 between KC and St. Louis is probably the most perverted highway in the country.

As for that dick representative, well, then a Catholic colleague of his came out as gay.

Like I hear about these guys in the news but the way it's said here on Fark (by what would appear to be a bunch of Dawkins acolytes) is that we're all here to impose Biblical law on the land and shiat. It's just not true. Hell, it even comes up in threads not even remotely related to conservative Christians in the US, like this one.

There are absolutely Christians who think US law should be Bi ...


There's tons of everyone that think US law should be based on (insert something the rest of us don't want to live by here) . I just don't know any of these guys that supposedly make up the majority of Christians in this country. And if you guys do, let me know who it is, and as a Christian, I'll try to put them in their place. I mean, I'm a freakin' college student acting alone, but hey, it's worth a shot.

On the other point, again, tons of people want their beliefs (religious and otherwise) shoved into government. You have the Christian stuff listed earlier, then you have Jews wanting the Noahide laws recognized as the basis of our legal tradition, and the list goes on. There are probably atheists of the communist movement (however small) that want to see religion go the way of the dodo through government regulation.

Instead of saying shiat like "Xtian nutjobs", let's go with anyone anywhere who is a fundamentalist on anything. Religion, politics, economics, anything. I'm just tired of coming on here and reading the same crap parroted over and over from Richard Dawkins' talking points about how religion is dangerous and how Christians in the US are somehow supportive of religious fundamentalism in other countries. It's patently false. Find the guys that live sensibly and support them (Jew, Christian, Muslim, atheist, whatever) and tear down the guys who just can't get over differences with others.
 
2012-06-24 05:26:54 PM

hbomb1129: "After his victory was announced, Morsi resigned from the Muslim Brotherhood and the Freedom and Justice Party, in an apparent effort to send the message that he will represent all Egyptians."

Link



Oh hey look! Important information.
 
2012-06-24 05:27:09 PM

AlanSmithee: ObeliskToucher: AlanSmithee: My coworker in my adjacent cubicle is Muslim, from Egypt. As a matter of fact, she voted there and will return back to Canada later this month. And she strongly believes Morsi won't institute Sharia law.

And yet... she's returning to Canada.

/NTTAWWT

Well, she's got citizenship, is smart as a whip, has a well-paying job,and you can be sure she sends money back home. Oh, and she loves Canada. And Egypt too. Turns out she'd like Egypt to be a bit more like Canada. By living here and telling her relatives back in Egypt how great democracy is, I think she's doing good.


All good reasons to come back, of course. Good luck to her and the Egyptians, but the radicals usually get the upper hand early in a revolution (through organization and ruthlessness).
 
2012-06-24 05:31:55 PM

Hector Remarkable: Stantz: I never wanted to the the pyramids anyway



[i229.photobucket.com image 300x300]


Good reference. Too spooky to get airplay?
 
2012-06-24 05:48:24 PM

MyEnamine: I for one welcome Egypt to the eighteenth century. In a couple hundred years and they can join us in the 21st. Baby steps, people. Baby steps.


The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood was founded in the early 20th Century and advocated democracy. It was the supposedly "modern" British who thought the Egyptian people would be better off under a king.
 
2012-06-24 06:00:56 PM
Religion-based government there: awesome.
Religion-based government here: worse than cancer.

You dems are effed up.
 
2012-06-24 06:06:33 PM

Flatus: Religion-based government there: awesome.
Religion-based government here: worse than cancer.

You dems are effed up.


1) secular and democratically elected party (awesome)
2) religious and democratically elected party (e.g., GOP or Freedom and Justice Party) pretty good
3) secular dictatorship (bad)
4) theocracy (very bad)

Egypt went from 3 to 2. Basically where the tea baggers would like the US to be.
 
2012-06-24 06:06:48 PM

Marine1: There's tons of everyone that think US law should be based on (insert something the rest of us don't want to live by here) . I just don't know any of these guys that supposedly make up the majority of Christians in this country. And if you guys do, let me know who it is, and as a Christian, I'll try to put them in their place. I mean, I'm a freakin' college student acting alone, but hey, it's worth a shot.

On the other point, again, tons of people want their beliefs (religious and otherwise) shoved into government. You have the Christian stuff listed earlier, then you have Jews wanting the Noahide laws recognized as the basis of our legal tradition, and the list goes on. There are probably atheists of the communist movement (however small) that want to see religion go the way of the dodo through government regulation.

Instead of saying shiat like "Xtian nutjobs", let's go with anyone anywhere who is a fundamentalist on anything. Religion, politics, economics, anything. I'm just tired of coming on here and reading the same crap parroted over and over from Richard Dawkins' talking points about how religion is dangerous and how Christians in the US are somehow supportive of religious fundamentalism in other countries. It's patently false. Find the guys that live sensibly and support them (Jew, Christian, Muslim, atheist, whatever) and tear down the guys who just can't get over differences with others.


I wanted to treat this statement fairly.. I really did. I cannot. You are correct that being a fundamentalist is the key point, there is such much evidence of fundamentalist thinking in the United States it is difficult to combat. Religion is dangerous. Historically and demonstrably evil. You are talking about a concept wherein the examination is given up because the answers are there. While I think personally you might be living am examined life, it is difficult for me to accept that you are not aware of or privvy to the evils of religion and how it moves the mind away from seeking truth. Christian or otherwise. We have to put all the false belief systems under the same lens of examination and reject all that is offered without evidence.

I'm not sure what you meant by this line: "There are probably atheists of the communist movement (however small) that want to see religion go the way of the dodo through government regulation."

That is not a 'small' amount. It is a huge amount historically. The early and mid 20th century was filled with examples of governments trying to stamp out religion.

The key thing I think I was bothered by in your post was this seemingly naive view that 'Radicalised Christians' or that 'Christian Ignorance' is a minority demographic. There are almost NO self professing Christians who live by even 1/10 of much of what the bible state. You must be aware of this. Surely you do not think that because someone declares themselves a Christian that they are, in fact, Christian. I certainly hope not, or I'm the King of England.

When you see ignorance. Fight it. Since you are a Christian, this truly is your fight. Be angry when people want to mix politics and religion. Be angry when a Christian is let go in a place where a Muslim is not. Be outraged everytime people use religion to sway votes. Be part of the solution, instead of justifying the problem.
 
2012-06-24 06:08:20 PM

Mrtraveler01
Gdalescrboz: Mrtraveler01

Gdalescrboz: Mrtraveler01
Gdalescrboz: Nogale

You really have to wonder about Muslims. They overthrow oppressive regimes - and vote in Islamists.

Now, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has made promises that it won't institute Sharia law, won't force women to cover their hair, etc. Did the Egyptian voters actually buy those promises?


Millions of you libs bought Obama's

I just voted for him because he wasn't a Republican to be honest.

After 8 years of Bush, I didn't think we needed 4 more years of Republican failure.

And you got 4/8 more years of Bush

Yeah, i should've voted for McCain. I mean he wouldn't have replicated the Bush years any better than Obama did right?

Let me guess, I should've voted for neo-confederate RON PAUL right?


Sure, i dont care. Anything not Republican/Dem main stream would be nice

Ah I see, you're one of those kind of voters. Not sure what we should vote for but not Obama and Romney.

You come back with someone better than Obama who is not Romney and then you might have something.


You already listed one person. Finding someone better than the people the Dems/Republicans are putting forth is like finding a chick with a black eye at a NASCAR race. But nooooo, you farkers cant seem to do it
 
2012-06-24 07:18:09 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

Not only that, but during the so-called "Arab Spring" various Farkers assured us that those concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power were merely pants- wetting, Fox- watching right- wing idiots, and that all Egyptians really wanted to do was harness the awesome power of social media to choose more freedoms for themselves.

The Left: getting sh*t wrong since 1917.


Well, I can only speak for myself, but I don't see accusing you of pants wetting about the MB getting power to be incomparable with them taking power.

Democratically elected muslims are democratically elected.
 
2012-06-24 07:40:53 PM

This Amp Goes To 11: dawnofdaycare: The Spinx and the the statues of the pharaohs are open for being destroyed now, just like like the Buddhist statues destroyed in Afghanistan. Sad.

Your understanding of middle east culture, politics and religion is pretty superficial if that's what you genuinely believe.


"A religiously motivated attack on statues at a museum in Cairo has sparked outcry in Egypt and fuelled fears that the country is veering towards an Islamic state.
The attack on three artworks, by a black-clad and veiled woman screaming, "Infidels, infidels!" followed a fatwa issued by the Grand Mufti of Cairo, Ali Gomaa, which banned all decorative statues of living beings."
 
2012-06-24 07:45:36 PM

steamingpile: cameroncrazy1984: steamingpile: And to the idiot above the Republicans doesnt want government based in Christian religion, especially the parts about taking away women's rights and killing gays.

I like this. You claim that Republicans aren't real Christians but the Muslim Brotherhood are representative of all Muslims.

No you need to read, we have seperation of church and state which is a good thing, they will be instituting Islamic beliefs in their laws. If you can't see that as a huge difference then you people are insane.

I guess it shouldn't surprise me that morons over here want to try and lump people you hate in with these guys to make conservatives look just as insane.


fromthebottomofthebarrel.files.wordpress.com

Golly gee, I wonder why people draw the comparison.
 
2012-06-24 08:50:50 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: The Muslim Brotherhood is an umbrella group. Tough to know what this election will mean for Egypt.


Yes... and for a group that originally promised they were not going to run a candidate in this election, they did a hell of a job winning this election, didn't they?
 
2012-06-24 09:21:14 PM
First non-military leader of Egypt?

faq.macedonia.org

EGYPT, I AM DISSAPOINT

/was Cleopatra a general?
 
2012-06-24 09:55:38 PM

PunGent: Aikidogamer: Mrtraveler01: You mean like a Parliamentary system? I'd love that too but I'm not holding my breath.

I know, right. Take heart in the fact many of the under 40 republicans care more about having a great economy than telling people what morals they should have. There is a tug of war in the party and if the more libertarian wing takes over govt will get cheaper and smaller.

Unfortunately, the money and numbers inside the current Republican party are running roughly 9 - 1 social conservative vs. fiscal conservative.

Just look at state and national Tea Party legislation to date: 9 parts pro-life, 1 part smaller government.


You do speak truth somewhat. It is more like 3-1 right now. The vocal derp masters of the Tea Party seem to get the most air time. Go figure. It is going to take a while. We wanted conservative and the last 3 guys who get the nod are Bush 2.0, McCain, and Rmoney...i mean Romney, no fiscal conservatives there. Democrats do not like Palin, neither to many Republicans, she makes us look stupid. She cannot even articulate half the time, and when she does it is ineffective. She is a bit like Shenia Twain, I like to look at her, but do not wish to hear her.
 
2012-06-25 12:03:38 AM
Strangeways here we come. The MB has enough enemies that it won't be long before some bigmouth strikes again. The destabilisation will be lud. Louder. Than. Bombs.
 
2012-06-25 12:13:49 AM

quickdraw: snocone: Some form of Christianity is in the genes

8/10 - youll get some bites for sure. The combination of science terms and Jesus talk is a nice touch.


Thought it might do better than this.
 
2012-06-25 04:57:30 AM
By "non-military" I guess that is the new word for "terrorist?"
 
2012-06-25 09:31:10 AM
Oh boy, just what the world need.... another death cult run country
 
2012-06-25 12:43:49 PM

Acharne: Marine1: There's tons of everyone that think US law should be based on (insert something the rest of us don't want to live by here) . I just don't know any of these guys that supposedly make up the majority of Christians in this country. And if you guys do, let me know who it is, and as a Christian, I'll try to put them in their place. I mean, I'm a freakin' college student acting alone, but hey, it's worth a shot.

On the other point, again, tons of people want their beliefs (religious and otherwise) shoved into government. You have the Christian stuff listed earlier, then you have Jews wanting the Noahide laws recognized as the basis of our legal tradition, and the list goes on. There are probably atheists of the communist movement (however small) that want to see religion go the way of the dodo through government regulation.

Instead of saying shiat like "Xtian nutjobs", let's go with anyone anywhere who is a fundamentalist on anything. Religion, politics, economics, anything. I'm just tired of coming on here and reading the same crap parroted over and over from Richard Dawkins' talking points about how religion is dangerous and how Christians in the US are somehow supportive of religious fundamentalism in other countries. It's patently false. Find the guys that live sensibly and support them (Jew, Christian, Muslim, atheist, whatever) and tear down the guys who just can't get over differences with others.

I wanted to treat this statement fairly.. I really did. I cannot. You are correct that being a fundamentalist is the key point, there is such much evidence of fundamentalist thinking in the United States it is difficult to combat. Religion is dangerous. Historically and demonstrably evil. You are talking about a concept wherein the examination is given up because the answers are there. While I think personally you might be living am examined life, it is difficult for me to accept that you are not aware of or privvy to the evils of religion and how it moves the ...


The problem I have with saying "religion is evil" is that it is an unqualified statement. A nun serving food to the hungry isn't evil. A bar mitzvah isn't evil... it's a young man being educated on responsibility and carrying on tradition. Hindus building beautiful temples isn't evil. What is evil is radical adherence to dogma. The Crusades, the recent Islamic jihad, the list goes on. Those things are evil, but they're not caused by faith. There was absolutely no faith in any of the Marxist-Leninist political movements of the 19th and 20th centuries, but these movements caused millions of deaths and destruction of priceless pieces of human legacy. That's why I reject the notion that religion is evil, because dogmatic fanaticism is a trait shared by nearly all schools of thought, religion included.

If everyone became godless tomorrow, we'd still have wars, prejudice, bigotry, and other problems. What's the old quote... "Religion is the only thing that can cause a good person to do bad things." It's utter crap. How many good working-class youths bought into the idea of communism because they wanted a working wage and equality? I'm sure more than a few. Things were fine to begin with, I'm sure. Then they were told by party leaders that they needed to make sure that others focused on state ideology as well. So they start burning books, tearing churches apart, arresting fellow citizens, and torturing people in political camps. What was a disadvantaged factory worker looking for a better tomorrow through socialism is now a raider destroying lives. Most never attended church after their interest in communism began.

Dawkins falls flat on this. His idea is that if you remove a cause of difference between humans (religion) and replace it with rational thinking, you get peace and understanding. This has been proven false time and time again, because when you remove one difference from humanity, you tend to see others crop up. The Sino-Soviet split is a classic example. Same goal: the people who do most of the hard, dangerous work in society (industrial laborers and peasants) get to control it. Then you get into details of how that's done, and people begin taking certain viewpoints as indisputable fact. Their views on what "rational" is become different. The result is that you have two groups fighting over something without any appeal to God or any higher power. During the 1960s, there was a time when more Soviet nuclear warheads were pointed at China than the US. No religion was present, no faith. There was a total commitment to "rationality" and scientific processes. The problem was, there's no universal definition of "rationality", so people keep killing each other anyways. Instead of accepting differences and moving on, we eliminate differences and find new ones to divide humanity.

We've come to a crossroads as a moral society. We can either reject radicalism and really solve problems, or we can use religion, class differences, philosophy, and the like as scapegoats for issues. I'd like to reject Christian radicalization. The "New Atheist" movement seems to embrace the radicalization of atheism. While the ideology is peaceful at the moment, we can't guarantee that it will stay that way when you have guys like Dawkins at the wheel, calling those with faith "diseased" and instructing people to disrespect others based on one premise (the inclusion of faith in thought) alone. I understand most non-believers aren't like this, but the trend is troubling from my side of the table.

I know Dawkins wasn't mentioned explicitly. I'm just bringing him up because we have this segment on Fark that believes in a "movement" that he "leads", and that movement holds that faith is inherently evil and that those who reject it seem to do no wrong. His thinking is central to this movement and gets parroted by tons of individuals. We saw that in this thread, and I'm tired of hearing it.
 
2012-06-25 01:36:59 PM
The only thing that will preserve human soceity is not religion, nor lack of it- it will be responsible population control and management of resources. The two go hand-in-hand- saying you're an environmentalist who doesn't believe in contraception is like saying you're in favour of due process of law with only the occasional lynching every other Saturday.
Many animals will stop breeding when population pressures grow too great. Humans are a glaring exception to this, and as a result we are poisoning our environment and depleting our resources at an alarming rate. In these conditions, war is essentially inevitable. Religion will just be another excuse.
 
2012-06-25 05:50:59 PM

beta_plus: First non-military leader of Egypt?

[faq.macedonia.org image 640x441]

EGYPT, I AM DISSAPOINT

/was Cleopatra a general?


She was a descendent in a line of Creole/Mestizo Military Governors.
 
2012-06-25 06:19:18 PM

Marine1: Acharne: Marine1: There's tons of everyone that think US law should be based on (insert something the rest of us don't want to live by here) . I just don't know any of these guys that supposedly make up the majority of Christians in this country. And if you guys do, let me know who it is, and as a Christian, I'll try to put them in their place. I mean, I'm a freakin' college student acting alone, but hey, it's worth a shot.

On the other point, again, tons of people want their beliefs (religious and otherwise) shoved into government. You have the Christian stuff listed earlier, then you have Jews wanting the Noahide laws recognized as the basis of our legal tradition, and the list goes on. There are probably atheists of the communist movement (however small) that want to see religion go the way of the dodo through government regulation.

Instead of saying shiat like "Xtian nutjobs", let's go with anyone anywhere who is a fundamentalist on anything. Religion, politics, economics, anything. I'm just tired of coming on here and reading the same crap parroted over and over from Richard Dawkins' talking points about how religion is dangerous and how Christians in the US are somehow supportive of religious fundamentalism in other countries. It's patently false. Find the guys that live sensibly and support them (Jew, Christian, Muslim, atheist, whatever) and tear down the guys who just can't get over differences with others.

I wanted to treat this statement fairly.. I really did. I cannot. You are correct that being a fundamentalist is the key point, there is such much evidence of fundamentalist thinking in the United States it is difficult to combat. Religion is dangerous. Historically and demonstrably evil. You are talking about a concept wherein the examination is given up because the answers are there. While I think personally you might be living am examined life, it is difficult for me to accept that you are not aware of or privvy to the evils of religion and how it ...


I see what you are saying. In effect you and I do the same things from opposite sides of faith. I do *not* tell religious people 'They' are evil, I explain how religious thinking can lead to evil actions. This, as you pointed out, is not unique to religion. I don't consider education children on multiculturalism to be religious, I'm just teaching them how to be tolerant. There is a sickening symptom amongst many young athiest that it is 'OK' to be bigoted towards the religious. This naturally solves nothing. The problems with it are obvious as there is a disconnect between what one is fighting against and what one causes as a result. I do and will freely and fairly combat many of the assumptions of religion. The whole idea that the world can be explained using no science, ancient texts and tradition is extremely offensive to the secular humanist. However, we cannot wins followers to our side by sticking our fingers in our ears.

I do not trust nor like religion. However I respect your take and I'll shake your hand.

As for Dawkins. I love the man, but he is just a man, and his arguments need the same sober examination as anyone else... that being said, I think it worrisome that you might reject someone in a debate because you consider yourself 'over Dawkins'. That person quoting Dawkins might still be making a valid point.
 
2012-06-26 06:07:05 PM

Marine1: PunGent: willyfreddy: [img41.imageshack.us image 499x171]

I don't have time to track down the reference myself, but when the uprising started I vividly recall the Muslim Brotherhood claiming that they have no intention of ever seeking power in Egypt. It would be awesome, and very educational, if someone could find that reference for us.

/shocked that the MB didn't follow through on their word
//not rly

Marine1: Mrtraveler01: Marine1: really, really wonder where all of these crazy creationist Christians are. I mean, according to Fark, I'm one. I am supposed to reject all reason, think that Jesus wanted America to nuke all non-believers (which would include the wonderful woman sitting next to me on the couch at this moment) and stone scientists to death for their blasphemy. I'm supposed to be living in the middle of "Jesus' 'Mericuh" where we all bomb abortion clinics and tell people they're going to hell for being gay. Again, I've never met any of these "nutjob Xtians" that supposedly work to make life miserable for the rest of you.

You live right down the road from Jefferson City and you're asking us this question?

Or do we need to propose a "don't say gay" bill in schools a second time and regulate strip clubs even further for you to realize these loons do exist.

/Disgruntled Missouri Christian

The strip club thing... yeah, but it's more or less offset by the fact that the stretch of interstate known as I-70 between KC and St. Louis is probably the most perverted highway in the country.

As for that dick representative, well, then a Catholic colleague of his came out as gay.

Like I hear about these guys in the news but the way it's said here on Fark (by what would appear to be a bunch of Dawkins acolytes) is that we're all here to impose Biblical law on the land and shiat. It's just not true. Hell, it even comes up in threads not even remotely related to conservative Christians in the US, like this one.

There are absolutely Christians who think US law sho ...


Yes, there are extremists in other religions, and in atheism, but atheists hold no power here in the US.

For Christian extremists, Google Chalcedon Foundation, that'll get ya started. And their politicians ABSOLUTELY affect our foreign policy, particularly in Israel. And you might also consider how the Prosperity Gospel folks contributed DIRECTLY to politicians who weakened our fiscal regulations before the current market blowout and recession.

Not to mention that I don't quite see how they get "material acquisition" to give with any part of Jesus' gospel, but that's on THEIR souls.

As for those who would deny separation of Church and State, I reply that it's good for both Church AND State; they would "elevate" church...notice how they assume it'll be THEIR church...to the status of the Post Office.
 
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