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(Breitbart.com)   Walmart may have violated federal regulations in thousands of gun sales, some guns already recovered from crime scenes. In other news, you can still buy guns at Walmart   (breitbart.com) divider line 24
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2012-06-24 08:51:52 AM  
4 votes:
What if you were an idiot Subby?
2012-06-24 11:24:58 AM  
2 votes:
Subby and whoever approved this headline(and I'd be surprised if they're not the same person) should feel bad.

Any further comment NOT heaping derision on them and their headline is essentially a waste of time.

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2012-06-24 08:52:37 AM  
2 votes:

EnviroDude: If the government goes after wallyworld, will the government jail itself for putting millions of guns in the hands of criminals via Fast and Furious?


Yes. Just like the did during Iran contra.
2012-06-24 08:17:26 PM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: FlashHarry: since this is breitbart, i'll go ahead and assume the opposite is true - that walmart legally sold guns to a bunch of people. what kind of boring story is that?

It's not even that. The "writer" seems to have some difficulty understanding that private businesses and government have different functions, and imagines that Democrats would condemn Wal-mart for acting like a branch of the government. It's really rather bizarre.

Not all Dems are even thrilled with F&F anyway, so I'm not really sure what the dumbasses are complaining about.


The only people who are "thrilled" by F&F are committed partisan Republicans, who see it as an opportunity to score political points off of a dead cop. It's disgusting and shameful.
2012-06-24 03:32:14 PM  
1 votes:
What if Reagan sold guns to Iran, and tried to hide it from Congress? Oh wait, we already know that nothing would happen.
2012-06-24 02:29:35 PM  
1 votes:
Brietbart thread! fark you, admins!
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2012-06-24 02:23:26 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf - used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=mncol; lst;4


Let's be clear about what that article does and does not say.

1) It does not say that Holder & Co. tried to blame gun dealers for the F&F fiasco, which was the original point of contention.

2) It says that ATF officials, not Holder, privately emailed each other regarding the proposition that if, because of Bush's Operation Gunrunner, they could prove multiple gun sales to gunrunners they could use their newly acquired evidence to argue for an administrative requirement that gun dealers report sales of multiple long arms via a document called a "Demand Letter."

3) On close reading, the article fails even to show ATF officials actually talking about Demand Letters at the press conference. But even supposing they did, what contradicts the right's Vast Left Wing Conspiracy Theory is that publicly arguing for Demand Letters based on Fast and Furious sales implicitly involves admitting that the reason we know multiple long arm sales end up in Mexico is because of an undercover sting operation that enabled tracking guns as they went to Mexico. The "how we know" would eventually become public knowledge one way or another.

4) Now this is a biggy, so pay attention to this: Contrary to the the right wing meme that the ATF put guns in the stream of commerce with no ability to trace them whatsoever, ATF's group supervisor on Fast and Furious David Voth told gun dealers: "We (ATF) are continually monitoring these suspects using a variety of investigative techniques which I cannot go into detail."

It's almost like disclosing thousands of pages of requested documents could implicate ongoing international law enforcement operations involving guns sold in Fast and Furious. Which may be why Holder has sought so hard to compromise with Congressional requests by producing many of the requested documents in ways that preserve legitimate federal prerogatives.

What this is not on any level is a vast left wing conspiracy by Holder, Obama, and Saul Alinsky to put guns in commerce to Mexico, then use the fact of guns going to Mexico to argue for broad gun control restrictions. Maybe--maybe--the ATF used bad judgment in discussing how evidence gathered in Fast and Furious could be used to argue for a new regulation not even restricting firearms sales, but only requiring dealers to report them. But that's a far cry from what conservatives are trying to make this out to be, which is some mass conspiracy to take away yer guns.

Thank you for this article, because it further establishes the case I've been making that the GOP's motives here are pure political grandstanding. This is a government controversy, not a political one. What makes the right's conduct here even more abhorrent is the risk that they've already compromised ongoing operations. Shame on them.
2012-06-24 01:53:03 PM  
1 votes:
I'm really confused. There's a link to a deadslob.com article and the headline doesn't say anything about Obama, FEMA camps, Pelosi, buying gold, global warming fakers, black helicopters, chem-trails, SOCIALISM!TM, or scary dark-skinned people. Someone is off their game.

/Remember, the way you can be sure that Obama will do everything he can to take away your guns is because he hasn't done anything to take away your guns. Real Merikuns are way too smart to fall for something like that.
2012-06-24 01:52:24 PM  
1 votes:
First Norquist, now this guy:

dailycensored.com

How did veteran GOP legislators get to be such pants-pissing pussies?
2012-06-24 01:47:26 PM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: If the government goes after wallyworld, will the government jail itself for putting millions of guns in the hands of criminals via Fast and Furious?


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2012-06-24 12:11:27 PM  
1 votes:

Boxcutta: Are you sure, Subby? 'cause I'm pretty sure I have at least ten forwarded emails in my spam folder stating that "President" Fartbongo is going to take away everyone's guns. I have to assume this is true and therefore it presents problems for your hypothesis.


Obama forced the GOP and NRA to abandon the long time held belief the Guns Don't Kill People, People Kill People. Because of Obama and Fast and Furious a gun, for the first time, became sentient and killed a federal agent. Now that Guns Kill People, they will soon be taken away. Our only hope to win the war on sentient guns is to vote for Romney.
2012-06-24 11:48:58 AM  
1 votes:
"We all know what would happen. Both their C.E.O. and ranking board members would be handcuffed and frog-marched out to paddy wagons in broad daylight, then transported to prison cells that would house them for the rest of their lives."

...and that's where the analogy breaks down. In point of fact, the CEO and ranking board members would not be handcuffed and frogmarched anywhere, just as the CEO and ranking board members of BP were not handcuffed and frogmarched for their negligence in the Gulf oil spill, just as the CEO and ranking board members of Bain Capital were not handcuffed and frogmarched for destroying the jobs and stealing the pensions of tens of thousands of innocent, hard-working Americans.The Enron criminals only went to trial and jail because the company went bankrupt first. In this country, if you have a certain amount of money you are essentially immune from prosecution. Below that amount you are fair game. Case in point: the first time OJ Simpson went to trial for murder, he had the money to hire Johnny Cochrane and got off. The second time he went to trial for armed robbery, he was a semi-bankrupt shlub and went promptly to jail.
2012-06-24 11:44:13 AM  
1 votes:
Another valuable contribution to public discourse compliments of zombie Breitbart.
2012-06-24 11:22:37 AM  
1 votes:
What if private gun owners neglected their responsibility to store firearms safely, thereby providing criminals with thousand and thousands of free guns every year?
2012-06-24 11:15:15 AM  
1 votes:
disbanded
/sigh
2012-06-24 11:13:49 AM  
1 votes:
So are those on the right trying to pretend sting operations are illegal now?
2012-06-24 11:09:44 AM  
1 votes:
But I was told that this never happened and that Fast and Furious was part of a conspiracy to institute gun laws against innocent US citizens.
2012-06-24 10:52:10 AM  
1 votes:
Looking at the link, It makes me happy that Andrew Breitbart is still dead.
2012-06-24 10:46:44 AM  
1 votes:
deadmoran.com
2012-06-24 10:31:02 AM  
1 votes:
If Walmart did it, it would have been called Operation Fat and Spurious.

What if Walmart, the "largest seller of firearms and ammunition in America," had knowingly sold 2,500 firearms to straw purchasers with the intent of having those purchasers carry those guns across an international border and sell them to drug cartel members in Mexico?

The problem with this analogy is that had Fast & Furious never happened, the exact same number of guns would have been sold and they would have wound up in the same places they already did. They only difference is that the Phoenix ATF were watching it happen. I guess you could argue for some sort of observer effect, but I'd guess that the differences between watched gun sales and unwatched gun sales would have been minimal.

If Walmart were to be analogous with the ATF in this situation, the ATF would have had to have brought to market 2500 guns that otherwise would not have been sold. (To buyers who wouldn't have otherwise have not had guns, I guess?)
2012-06-24 09:43:56 AM  
1 votes:
According to deadmoran.com, law enforcement officers are not allowed to do anything that a normal, run-of-the mill civilian can't do. So the next time you get pulled over for speeding, just go right ahead and tell the officer that since you can't pull people over, the officer must be breaking the law.
2012-06-24 09:41:40 AM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: since this is breitbart, i'll go ahead and assume the opposite is true - that walmart legally sold guns to a bunch of people. what kind of boring story is that?


It's not even that. The "writer" seems to have some difficulty understanding that private businesses and government have different functions, and imagines that Democrats would condemn Wal-mart for acting like a branch of the government. It's really rather bizarre.
2012-06-24 09:06:06 AM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: If the government goes after wallyworld, will the government jail itself for putting millions of guns in the hands of criminals via Fast and Furious?


Hey guys, guess who didn't read the f*cking article? Neither did I! But I still clicked the link and saw the hypothetical Breitbart bullsh*t.
2012-06-24 08:40:53 AM  
1 votes:
If the government goes after wallyworld, will the government jail itself for putting millions of guns in the hands of criminals via Fast and Furious?
 
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