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(Yahoo)   Yahoo's annual "10 Companies That Won't Be Around Next Year" includes some familiar faces and... the Oakland Raiders?   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 61
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2012-06-24 12:45:39 AM
When will yahoo add yahoo to this list.
 
2012-06-24 12:54:07 AM

Generation_D: When will yahoo add yahoo to this list.


Yahoo isn't popular in the US, but it has a really strong international base. Yahoo has been the homepage of every Taiwanese computer I've seen, and friends in places like Africa have told me it's very popular. They also have a lot of small money makers. I like to play yahoo games, and a lot of the people on there pay for extra services free accounts don't get. Yahoo personals (which are paid), yahoo auctions, etc, are all money-makers beyond advertising. I doubt Yahoo will go away anytime soon.
 
2012-06-24 01:07:07 AM
Al Davis may be undead, but his spirit lives on in the Oakland/Los Angeles/Oakland/San Jose Raiders.
 
2012-06-24 01:46:14 AM

Mentat: Al Davis may be undead, but his spirit lives on in the Oakland/Los Angeles/Oakland/San Jose Raiders.


I think the 9ers and the Raiders will share the new stadium in Santa Clara starting in 2017. They'll still be called the Oakland Raiders & they'll still be called SF 49ers

While Al Davis had controlling ownership of the team from the 1960s until he died he only got it over 50% in 2006.
 
2012-06-24 03:09:47 AM

Generation_D: When will yahoo add yahoo to this list.


Yeah Yahoo!, what gives?
 
2012-06-24 05:06:15 AM
# 10, Avon

Avon is still around?
 
2012-06-24 05:51:08 AM

TomD9938: Avon is still around?


It makes a profit.

Now, shareholders might like it to make more profit, but their spending on the shares is a sunk cost. If they close it up, they'll be worse off than keeping it running. People don't close profit-making businesses - at worst, someone will buy them.

Remember, before Steve Jobs came back, Apple were losing money for a few years.
 
2012-06-24 06:03:42 AM

Makh: Generation_D: When will yahoo add yahoo to this list.

Yeah Yahoo!, what gives?


Yahoo is the Radio Shack of the internet.
 
2012-06-24 07:05:10 AM
24/7 Wallstreet's predictions are pretty hit or miss. Their predictions for 2011 were:

Reader's Digest (Still around)
Blockbuster Video (which they've predicted for several years prior to September 2010, when it finally died.)
Dollar Thrifty Auto Group
T-Mobile (still around)
Moody's Corporation (Still around)
British Petroleum (still around)
Radio Shack (still here)
Zales (still around, albeit much smaller)
Merrill Lynch (still around as a subsidiary of Bank of America)
Kia Motor Company (still around)
 
2012-06-24 07:16:54 AM
Can't really say I will miss any on the current list.

While they will be around for a while, Sony will eventually be on this list. I believe their quality levels have fallen in recent years and are not improving, and their products went from being cutting edge to me-too.

I think Sears will also be back on this list soon enough. They always seem to be losing, rather than gaining share, a problem in the retail industry. I wouldn't be surprised to see JCPenney start down the same path, as they seem determined to abandon their current customers without attracting new ones.
 
2012-06-24 07:39:26 AM
I didn't know Salon.com was in such deep shiat.
 
2012-06-24 08:08:11 AM

Mentat: Al Davis may be undead, but his spirit lives on in the Oakland/Los Angeles/Oakland/San Jose Raiders.


As the Dodgers recently proved, there's no way a major sports team will be allowed to go under, no matter how bad their financial situation.
 
2012-06-24 08:09:06 AM
I didn't know MetroPCS was in bad shape. I keep seeing their billboards and hearing their radio ads. Then I look at their coverage and read their fine print (19 cents per minute for roaming), and their comparable plans cost me almost as much or more as I'm paying now. I guess if I never traveled or went into rural areas they might be O.K.

OTOH, I've never used them or any of the second tier or MVNO companies, because everyone I know who has tried them gets terrible coverage. I'm tempted because of not having a contract, but I really am happy with my LTE phone, and pretty much voice and data coverage everywhere I go .
 
2012-06-24 08:17:52 AM

mr_a: Can't really say I will miss any on the current list.

While they will be around for a while, Sony will eventually be on this list. I believe their quality levels have fallen in recent years and are not improving, and their products went from being cutting edge to me-too.

I think Sears will also be back on this list soon enough. They always seem to be losing, rather than gaining share, a problem in the retail industry. I wouldn't be surprised to see JCPenney start down the same path, as they seem determined to abandon their current customers without attracting new ones.


Sony is fine, they're the GM of electronics makers in that their biggest profit maker is financial services, they're essentially too big to fail for the Japanese gov't not to bail them out, plus they just started the process of restructuring and downsizing their TV business and other failing departments

Sega probably won't actually be making games in the near future - they're already in the first stages of abandoning console game development altogether in favor of bite-size downloadable games, wouldn't be surprised if they just turn into a company that only exists on paper

might as well put THQ on the list, as much as i like their games there's no guarantee any mid-tier developers survive the next 5 years
 
2012-06-24 08:20:02 AM
Hell the way RIM's going they may not even make 2013. We've still got half of 2012 to go after all.

/holding out for Playbooks to be given away in boxes of Cheerios
 
2012-06-24 08:30:54 AM

Ishkur: Yahoo is the Radio Shack of the internet.


And oddly - both make money.
 
2012-06-24 08:32:14 AM

mr_a: While they will be around for a while, Sony will eventually be on this list. I believe their quality levels have fallen in recent years and are not improving, and their products went from being cutting edge to me-too.


Sony is a massive conglomerate and makes more than just TVs you know. Its not going anywhere.
 
2012-06-24 08:44:03 AM

RexTalionis: Blockbuster Video (which they've predicted for several years prior to September 2010, when it finally died.)


I saw a Blockbuster video this week in Orlando.
 
2012-06-24 09:02:39 AM
Talbots, shiat. My mom will biatch and whine about this to no end.
 
2012-06-24 09:42:50 AM
Oakland?

Which other city shouldn't have a team based on its earning or city's fading value?

And I love the Raiders, even if they are poor.
 
2012-06-24 09:50:36 AM

SharkTrager: RexTalionis: Blockbuster Video (which they've predicted for several years prior to September 2010, when it finally died.)

I saw a Blockbuster video this week in Orlando.


Blockbuster is still around but they seem to be slowly closing store by store and going to try and steal the Redbox market.
 
2012-06-24 09:58:19 AM
No Best Buy?
 
2012-06-24 10:02:16 AM

gingerjet: Ishkur: Yahoo is the Radio Shack of the internet.

And oddly - both make money.


But even the CEO has no idea how it's still profitable
 
2012-06-24 10:05:53 AM
FTA:Current team managing owner Mike Davis already has said he may move the Raiders back to LA to get a better stadium deal.

That's some killer research Lou, I was unaware this guy:

www.davepear.com

Has become and old, white ginger:

static6.businessinsider.com

I know I've said it before, but if the Raiders really want a new stadium see about something with 40,000 or so seats but creates a scarcity and has amazing sight-lines and amenities. We Raider fans tend to vote on the team's performance with our feet and dollars, so why new try something revolutionary? Consult with the people who built Seattle's stadium on the noise generating parabolic shapes and a few others.
 
2012-06-24 10:09:24 AM

Mugato: No Best Buy?


They've probably got another 3-4, but the vultures are circling.

Ken VeryBigLiar: Has become and old, white ginger:

static6.businessinsider.com


WTF is with that hair?
 
2012-06-24 10:17:03 AM

SharkTrager: RexTalionis: Blockbuster Video (which they've predicted for several years prior to September 2010, when it finally died.)

I saw a Blockbuster video this week in Orlando.


Blockbuster is still around in the DC Area too. While they have probably closed about 1/2 to 3/4 of their stores around where I live, there are still a few including the one near where I live which seem to be still going strong. Being able to survive in some shape or form while their main competition failed completely (Movie Gallery) might actually allow them to survive for a while, Until RedBox can compete on selection and internet bandwidth issues can be better resolved allowing Netflix and any competitors to more fully flourish, I believe the standard movie rental place will still have a niche in the marketplace, even if its heyday has long since passed.
 
2012-06-24 10:35:21 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: FTA:Current team managing owner Mike Davis already has said he may move the Raiders back to LA to get a better stadium deal.

That's some killer research Lou, I was unaware this guy:

[www.davepear.com image 202x263]

Has become and old, white ginger:

[static6.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

I know I've said it before, but if the Raiders really want a new stadium see about something with 40,000 or so seats but creates a scarcity and has amazing sight-lines and amenities. We Raider fans tend to vote on the team's performance with our feet and dollars, so why new try something revolutionary? Consult with the people who built Seattle's stadium on the noise generating parabolic shapes and a few others.


Thats right, we do it all with parabolic sound shapes. Not amplified crowd noise. And on really big plays we have hydraulic pumps installed in the ground to shake the stadium artificially like a minor earthquake.
 
2012-06-24 12:07:36 PM

Unobtanium: I didn't know MetroPCS was in bad shape. I keep seeing their billboards and hearing their radio ads. Then I look at their coverage and read their fine print (19 cents per minute for roaming), and their comparable plans cost me almost as much or more as I'm paying now. I guess if I never traveled or went into rural areas they might be O.K.

OTOH, I've never used them or any of the second tier or MVNO companies, because everyone I know who has tried them gets terrible coverage. I'm tempted because of not having a contract, but I really am happy with my LTE phone, and pretty much voice and data coverage everywhere I go .


MetroPCS is doing ok. They article just says they are "too small to survive". But I think they can do fine picking up the customers that can't afford $80/mnth for Sprint/AT&T/Verizon.
 
2012-06-24 12:40:46 PM

Ishkur: Makh: Generation_D: When will yahoo add yahoo to this list.


I came for this

Yahoo is the Radio Shack of the internet.

awesome
 
2012-06-24 01:10:48 PM
Al Fore will have to go back selling Green Indulgences.
 
2012-06-24 01:12:38 PM
It's hard to be a Raiders fan, but whether Oakland or LA, the Raiders will live on.

/Just win, baby!
 
2012-06-24 01:27:59 PM

Masso: I didn't know Salon.com was in such deep shiat.


i guess the mods are looking out for them. at last check they are 3 out of the last 5 greens on the politics tab
 
2012-06-24 01:30:45 PM
The probable merger sequence will be Metro PCS by TMoble, then AT&T will pay off enough politicians to swallow TMobile. It may take five years to get there, though.
 
2012-06-24 01:53:57 PM

RexTalionis: 24/7 Wallstreet's predictions are pretty hit or miss. Their predictions for 2011 were:

Reader's Digest (Still around)
Blockbuster Video (which they've predicted for several years prior to September 2010, when it finally died.)
Dollar Thrifty Auto Group
T-Mobile (still around)
Moody's Corporation (Still around)
British Petroleum (still around)
Radio Shack (still here)
Zales (still around, albeit much smaller)
Merrill Lynch (still around as a subsidiary of Bank of America)
Kia Motor Company (still around)


This just shows how shoddy their research is. Kia has been on the upswing for a few years. (Basically, ever since Hyundai bought them.) Nobody with any knowledge of the auto industry at all would have predicted Kia was going away. Mitsubishi or Suzuki, maybe.
 
2012-06-24 01:56:56 PM

HempHead: MetroPCS is doing ok. They article just says they are "too small to survive". But I think they can do fine picking up the customers that can't afford $80/mnth for Sprint/AT&T/Verizon.


That's part of my personal issue with them, the way I use (and places I go with) my "phone" MetroPCS would cost me as much or more a month than Verizon does. I know, YMMV, big news.

I would really like there to be more actual competition in the cell phone market, and in the land-line internet market.
 
2012-06-24 02:27:01 PM
Just bring em back to LA baby! Then we can have our 1980's gang reconnaissance where gang bangers had 3 sports jersey options: Lakers, Kings, and the always fashionable Raiders gears.

Colors? What are those?
 
2012-06-24 02:36:51 PM

Unobtanium: HempHead: MetroPCS is doing ok. They article just says they are "too small to survive". But I think they can do fine picking up the customers that can't afford $80/mnth for Sprint/AT&T/Verizon.

That's part of my personal issue with them, the way I use (and places I go with) my "phone" MetroPCS would cost me as much or more a month than Verizon does. I know, YMMV, big news.

I would really like there to be more actual competition in the cell phone market, and in the land-line internet market.


I use StraightTalk ( sold at Walmart lol ). $45 month unlimited text, talk, data(not really). They use AT&T's network. The big thing is that you have to buy your own phone and Americans (the 'how mucha month' crowd) seem like getting a "free" phone and paying out the butt in monthly charges.
 
2012-06-24 02:39:43 PM
I have been reading Salon and Slate for several years and prefer reading them on my phone because I like the formatting of the mobile site much better. In the past couple months, Salon has not had a mobile site, or at least I can't find one. I figured that was a sign of concern because they probably felt they weren't getting good advertising dollars on the mobile version so they were forcing everyone to use the full version. Anyway, I've stopped reading Salon because of it. It's too much of a pain to scroll around on the page to find stuff on my phone.
 
2012-06-24 02:54:31 PM

Mentat: Al Davis may be undead, but his spirit lives on in the Oakland/Los Angeles/Oakland/San Jose Raiders.



This back and forth is ridiculous. Who are they fooling?

Why don't they just formalize what's been going on: Oakland gets the team for ~10 years, then they ship them down to LA for ~10 years, then ship them back up to Oakland again for another decade. Then back to LA again. Rinse and repeat.
 
2012-06-24 03:51:07 PM

king of vegas: I have been reading Salon and Slate for several years and prefer reading them on my phone because I like the formatting of the mobile site much better. In the past couple months, Salon has not had a mobile site, or at least I can't find one. I figured that was a sign of concern because they probably felt they weren't getting good advertising dollars on the mobile version so they were forcing everyone to use the full version. Anyway, I've stopped reading Salon because of it. It's too much of a pain to scroll around on the page to find stuff on my phone.


THANK YOU!

I've been reading Salon for years, (since the beginning, actually) and the one high point is that they had a mobile site that loaded quickly. Since the new redesign the same page that loads on your desktop computer is the exact same one that loads on your phone. It takes a full two minutes to load, and since the pages all render at exactly the same size no matter what screen you're loading them on it's like playing whack a mole to find a link to click on.

It doesn't matter, Salon has been on the fence since it started. I don't think it's ever turned a profit, even when I was paying for Salon Premium along with four or five other suckers. They shut down the best part of the site - the Table Talk, and they've been bleeding experienced journalists for years and replacing them with angry kids.
 
2012-06-24 04:34:24 PM
Say Hola to the Mexico City Raiders...
 
2012-06-24 06:22:33 PM
If Suzuki does go under, look to pick up one of "their" Equator pick-up trucks on the cheap. They are basically Nissan Frontier clones without some minor frills.
 
2012-06-24 09:43:06 PM
#11. Phoenix Coyotes
 
2012-06-24 09:52:20 PM

bingethinker: This just shows how shoddy their research is. Kia has been on the upswing for a few years. (Basically, ever since Hyundai bought them.) Nobody with any knowledge of the auto industry at all would have predicted Kia was going away. Mitsubishi or Suzuki, maybe.


Hell, Kia now has cars beating Lexus, Audi and Infiniti in reviews.
 
2012-06-24 11:25:01 PM

Mugato: No Best Buy?


They're about to announce a very big restructure, so let's see how that goes first
 
2012-06-24 11:29:36 PM
What about companies like Garmon that make GPS units? They'll quickly be obsolete. Maybe 2 or 3meet yeats left?
 
2012-06-25 12:10:46 AM

burber: What about companies like Garmon that make GPS units? They'll quickly be obsolete. Maybe 2 or 3meet yeats left?


Depends on what all they make. Commercial trucking, for example, will not be relying on cell phones.
 
2012-06-25 01:42:40 AM
Best Buy cannot die fast enough for me.
 
2012-06-25 02:53:23 AM

SharkTrager: burber: What about companies like Garmon that make GPS units? They'll quickly be obsolete. Maybe 2 or 3meet yeats left?

Depends on what all they make. Commercial trucking, for example, will not be relying on cell phones.


Until cell phone GPS gets a little better, Garman will be around.
 
2012-06-25 05:06:16 AM

Lsherm: SharkTrager: burber: What about companies like Garmon that make GPS units? They'll quickly be obsolete. Maybe 2 or 3meet yeats left?

Depends on what all they make. Commercial trucking, for example, will not be relying on cell phones.

Until cell phone GPS gets a little better, Garman will be around.


I'd say "lots" better.

GPS specialty units are used by more people than drivers. Wouldn't rely on my phone for hiking/trail riding, but I would use a specialty GPS unit.
 
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