SouthernFriedYankee: DamnYankees: I'm not sure why this is a problem,. The UN is a forum for the nations of the world to come together. It's not a place for those countries who think they are they awesomesauce to dictate to those they think suck poop.

I can appreciate that. But Saudi Arabia, on the Human Rights Council? Fox, henhouse, etc.

You mean our ally Saudi Arabia?

BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Good start. There's a farkton of oil out here that should not only be drilled but stay in the country. fark you, wto.

It's almost impressive how you understand how literally nothing works. Here's a free clue, cumstain: set down the $49 pamphlet on how the 16th amendment was never really ratified, pick up a dictionary and search for the word "fungible". Then smash your nuts with said dictionary in order to insure that you don't pass on your utter lack of understanding to another generation.

OK, that's a five dollar laugh.

DamnYankees: SouthernFriedYankee: Tatterdemalian: DamnYankees: For the life of me, hatred of the UN remains one of those things I can't understand. Just makes no sense.

Because it claims to have no ambition to be a worldwide government, while trying to enforce international law with the ICC.

/you ask why people don't trust the UN
//I ask why people are so quick to trust blatant con jobs

This, plus Cuba, Saudi Arabia and China on the Human Rights Council. Silly little things like that.

I'm not sure why this is a problem,. The UN is a forum for the nations of the world to come together. It's not a place for those countries who think they are they awesomesauce to dictate to those they think suck poop.

See, that's where you're wrong. The UN is SUPPOSED to be a weapon for the US to coerce people into being just like us, and since they don't, they're obviously being run by the Illuminati under a mandate to destroy the world.

DjangoStonereaver: There is lot of similarity to the Tea Party's irrational hatred of 'big government' recalcitrant teenagers, actually.

FTFY

SouthernFriedYankee: I can appreciate that. But Saudi Arabia, on the Human Rights Council? Fox, henhouse, etc.

It's a representative organization. Saudi Arabia on that council is no different from Republicans being on the Judiciary or Ways and Means committees in the US Congress.

Goddamnit... who can we sell/give Alabama to? Arizona and Texas are easy, they're right next to Mexico, plus it's fairly easy to get rid of Utah, Oklahoma and Kansas in the process. Maybe if we give Florida to Cuba they'll take Alabama as well?

Jim_Callahan: //People hate the UN because its entire purpose is to prevent the exercise of what most individual nations regard as their sovereign rights, and stop them from doing things their culture often explicitly defines as good. It's as simple as "a good compromise leaves no one satisfied".

To amplify, the purpose of the UN isn't even to actually take action to stop these things, as such - at most, it encourages the nations that can take such action to get together on it,

For the most part, all it actually does is tell those nations that they should feel bad for exercising their sovereignty in such ways. (Naturally, people tend to get their back up when you tell them they should feel bad about doing things they think are good or appropriate. "Who the fark are you to tell me I shouldn't commit genocide/mutilate women/wreck the environment?")

It's all about moral authority, not legal authority.

godofusa.com: intelligent comment below: godofusa.com: No Agenda 21 for you!


All the old idiot trolls are back in business this weekend.

Looks like they're out of high school for the summer

Still not sure what you are biatching about. Any US citizen that supports Agenda 21 is a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly.

I haven't bothere wikiing agenda 21, but I know I support it of the retards hate it.

SouthernFriedYankee: intelligent comment below: It's just a plan for economic and environmental sustainability for the future. Morans.

You trust them anybody to do so in a balanced an impartial manner. I do not.

FTFY

forgotmydamnusername: Don't bother wading through Rand's leaden prose. Read this instead. I would also remind you that we tried your preferred solution before. Laissez-faire led to the Age of Robber Barons, trusts, and monopolies.

The period between 1870 and 1910 saw the average American's standard of living rise more and faster than it has during any other 40-year period in our history.

Also several brutal economic collapses, only a bit less severe than the Great Depression.

Cleaver way of saying that the collapse AFTER the creation of the FED and dozens of regulatory agencies was the worst in America's history (except the one we're entering now, which will probably be worse).

Capitalism left completely unmolested for long enough, eats itself. We presently have a situation where there is not a level playing field, there is a revolving door between industry and government agencies...

...which wouldn't exist if the government didn't have the power, thru regulations, to guarantee big business profits/market share by regulating competitors into bankruptcy.

...and much of the extant regulation is ineffective. Let's fix that. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is just going to make this a third-world country that much sooner.

There is no baby... it's nothing but bath water.

DamnYankees: For the life of me, hatred of the UN remains one of those things I can't understand. Just makes no sense.

If I may oversimplify a bit:

level 1. ME! I GOT MY RIGHTS! GITCHER DAM GUMMINT OUTA MY BUSINESS!
level 2. We don't need no interference from up in the statehouse. Us locals can run our business just fine.
level 3. States rights! States rights! States rights!
level 4. We don't need no furriners runnin' some kinda world gummint, takin our propperty an' our guns!

So, you see, the further anything resembling authority gets from ALL ABOUT ME, the more detestable it becomes. This is why trying to populate Mars is doomed: it won't be a decade before the first Earth-Mars war because they won't think just like Jethro by then. They'll have their own Jethros and both sides will want to fight because "those other people want to rule our solar system and take our rights".

ghare: DrPainMD: forgotmydamnusername: Don't bother wading through Rand's leaden prose. Read this instead. I would also remind you that we tried your preferred solution before. Laissez-faire led to the Age of Robber Barons, trusts, and monopolies.

The period between 1870 and 1910 saw the average American's standard of living rise more and faster than it has during any other 40-year period in our history.

Also several brutal economic collapses, only a bit less severe than the Great Depression.

Cleaver way of saying that the collapse AFTER the creation of the FED and dozens of regulatory agencies was the worst in America's history (except the one we're entering now, which will probably be worse).

Capitalism left completely unmolested for long enough, eats itself. We presently have a situation where there is not a level playing field, there is a revolving door between industry and government agencies...

...which wouldn't exist if the government didn't have the power, thru regulations, to guarantee big business profits/market share by regulating competitors into bankruptcy.

...and much of the extant regulation is ineffective. Let's fix that. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is just going to make this a third-world country that much sooner.

There is no baby... it's nothing but bath water.

We're talking about the UN, not the inside of your brain.

I bow to your superior intellect and debate skills.

MeinRS6: Man, no wonder Salon may soon be going under.

Care to elaborate, or is it that you have nothing substantial to argue but couldn't resist threadsh*tting?

forgotmydamnusername: DrPainMD: forgotmydamnusername: Don't bother wading through Rand's leaden prose. Read this instead. I would also remind you that we tried your preferred solution before. Laissez-faire led to the Age of Robber Barons, trusts, and monopolies.

The period between 1870 and 1910 saw the average American's standard of living rise more and faster than it has during any other 40-year period in our history.

Also several brutal economic collapses, only a bit less severe than the Great Depression.

Cleaver way of saying that the collapse AFTER the creation of the FED and dozens of regulatory agencies was the worst in America's history (except the one we're entering now, which will probably be worse).

Capitalism left completely unmolested for long enough, eats itself. We presently have a situation where there is not a level playing field, there is a revolving door between industry and government agencies...

...which wouldn't exist if the government didn't have the power, thru regulations, to guarantee big business profits/market share by regulating competitors into bankruptcy.

...and much of the extant regulation is ineffective. Let's fix that. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is just going to make this a third-world country that much sooner.

There is no baby... it's nothing but bath water.

Good argument. I already explained why there's a baby, not just bathwater. Your counter is, essentially, "Is not! Nyah, nyah, nyah! Can't hear you!" The only thing that permits you to hold the view that you do is severe historical and economic ignorance.

You haven't explained anything. You whine about the age of the Robber Barons, when it was the period of time that the AVERAGE American's standard of living rose THE FASTEST.

You whine about the recessions, and then admit that they've been WORSE since we created your beloved FED and zillions of regulatory agencies.

You whine about the revolving door from business to government, yet love the agencies that are stacked full of former business executives, and the politicians who run the show.

You're basically blaming all the countries problems on the system that I want to get rid of, then calling me an idiot for wanting to get rid of it. You make no sense.

DrPainMD: You haven't explained anything. You whine about the age of the Robber Barons, when it was the period of time that the AVERAGE American's standard of living rose THE FASTEST.

You whine about the recessions, and then admit that they've been WORSE since we created your beloved FED and zillions of regulatory agencies.

You whine about the revolving door from business to government, yet love the agencies that are stacked full of former business executives, and the politicians who run the show.

You're basically blaming all the countries problems on the system that I want to get rid of, then calling me an idiot for wanting to get rid of it. You make no sense.


I can't speak to any of the rest of the problems; but the reason the "average American's standard of living" rose so much in the age of the Robber Barons was because the average standard of living had been in the sewer prior to that. Everyone's lifestyle got better because it had been so wretched before that. The Robber Barons and the railroad tycoons created jobs that paid money that hadn't existed before; prior to that, most of America had been subsistence-level agriculture and dock-wollopers. Moving up from the sewer to the gutter is a big improvement; but they were still in the gutter. If it hasn't improved any faster since then, it's only because once everyone has the basic amenities of life, it's harder to see how much better off you are.