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(Deseret News)   Eye for an eye, hair for hair? Judge orders Utah woman to cut off daughter's ponytail in court   (deseretnews.com) divider line 237
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2012-06-23 11:47:13 AM  
FTA: "They tried to borrow some from McDonald's employees, but when they were turned down, they walked across the street and bought scissors from a dollar store.
"After acquiring the scissors, they returned to McDonald's, where they both took a turn ... cutting some of the little girl's hair off the back of her head,""



Where was the 3-year-old's mother during all of this?
 
2012-06-23 11:58:25 AM  

biff1: FTA: "They tried to borrow some from McDonald's employees, but when they were turned down, they walked across the street and bought scissors from a dollar store.
"After acquiring the scissors, they returned to McDonald's, where they both took a turn ... cutting some of the little girl's hair off the back of her head,""


Where was the 3-year-old's mother during all of this?


Or the 11 year old's?
 
2012-06-23 12:06:28 PM  
FTA: At a May 28 hearing, Lopan entered admissions in the assault case, as well as another case stemming from eight months of phone calls she made to another teen in Colorado that included threats of rape and mutilation, according to an audio recording of the hearing provided to the Deseret News by Bruno.

13 and already a sociopathic psycho biatch. I do not see a bright future for this girl.
 
2012-06-23 12:09:28 PM  
After that the judge said he would cut her sentence even more if she would shave her daughter's bush off in court. She obliged.

WTF judge?
 
2012-06-23 12:12:11 PM  
TFA Moneyshot: "She definitely needed to be punished for what had happened," Valerie Bruno told the Deseret News. "But I never dreamt it would be that much of a punishment."

That much of a punishment? Really? It's farking hair, it'll grow back. It's not like he cut off her hand.
 
2012-06-23 12:21:30 PM  
"An eye for an eye, that's not how you teach kids right from wrong."

Yeah, that's your job, mom.
 
2012-06-23 12:43:02 PM  
Good job, judge.

Zero sympathy for 13 yr old cruel biatch or her lousy mother.
 
2012-06-23 12:55:42 PM  
i105.photobucket.com

What Lopan might look like.
 
2012-06-23 01:10:03 PM  

reported: FTA: At a May 28 hearing, Lopan entered admissions in the assault case, as well as another case stemming from eight months of phone calls she made to another teen in Colorado that included threats of rape and mutilation, according to an audio recording of the hearing provided to the Deseret News by Bruno.

13 and already a sociopathic psycho biatch. I do not see a bright future for this girl.


She is one f*cked up girl.

Dogberry: "An eye for an eye, that's not how you teach kids right from wrong."

Yeah, that's your job, mom.


It all makes so much sense now. I'm a sh*tty parent, I know, I'll whine to the media. My daughter and I are victims of the system.

Sterilize them both.
 
2012-06-23 01:14:29 PM  
An eye for an eye style punishment actually teaches more empathy for the victim in this instance so I have no problem with this form of punishment. It fit the crime perfectly. No permanent damage done.

And had the 13 year old's Mom been better at her role in her child's life this incident would never have happened. Who goes around taking out their inadequacies on a 3 year old?

/13 year old needs to be seeing a shrink for a while. I would have made that part of the ruling myself.
 
2012-06-23 01:14:40 PM  

EvilEgg: biff1: FTA: "They tried to borrow some from McDonald's employees, but when they were turned down, they walked across the street and bought scissors from a dollar store.
"After acquiring the scissors, they returned to McDonald's, where they both took a turn ... cutting some of the little girl's hair off the back of her head,""


Where was the 3-year-old's mother during all of this?

Or the 11 year old's?


This is America. We pass responsibility on to other people here.
 
2012-06-23 01:16:33 PM  

AbbeySomeone: reported: FTA: At a May 28 hearing, Lopan entered admissions in the assault case, as well as another case stemming from eight months of phone calls she made to another teen in Colorado that included threats of rape and mutilation, according to an audio recording of the hearing provided to the Deseret News by Bruno.

13 and already a sociopathic psycho biatch. I do not see a bright future for this girl.

She is one f*cked up girl.


Apparently, sociopaths cannot help it. Their brain circuitry is so wired that they cannot feel empathy towards other people. It occurs in 1 out of 100 people.

Not sure what you can do about that...other than have them run for Congress, I guess...

*ba dum bum bssh*
 
2012-06-23 01:34:48 PM  
The punishment fit the crime. Good call by the judge.

FTA: Bruno's daughter, Kaytlen

**grumble, grumble, lotsa negative thoughts about bratty kids with stupid names**
 
2012-06-23 01:38:57 PM  

biff1: Where was the 3-year-old's mother during all of this?


I don't feel overprotective as a parent when say my sons were never, ever, out of my sight in a public place. Never put a leash on them tho. I think it's better Lopan did get the reduced sentence- the less exposure other troubled youth have to her the better. And it's too bad it will come to a head when she gets tried as an adult for something else in the near future since it's obvious her parent(s) knew she was stalking someone and let her roam around freely.

Still, it is really disturbing the three-year old was able to end up in that situation.... There's no excuse in the article given, so I just have to go with another bad mom.
 
2012-06-23 01:41:54 PM  

Lorelle: **grumble, grumble, lotsa negative thoughts about bratty kids with stupid names**


Well, my younger son is named El-O (pronounced El dash Oh) but he is not a brat!
 
2012-06-23 01:50:06 PM  
Listen to this twunt's mom complaining about her daughter's hair being cut off. How the fark does she think the 3-year-old's parents feel?
 
2012-06-23 01:51:40 PM  

OregonVet: Well, my younger son is named El-O (pronounced El dash Oh) but he is not a brat!


That's different. Hyphenated names are A-OK because they sound more civilized. Like Kal-El.

/middle name rhymes with Jor-El
 
2012-06-23 01:54:44 PM  
FTFA: "She definitely needed to be punished for what had happened," Valerie Bruno told the Deseret News. "But I never dreamt it would be that much of a punishment."

Give me the damned scissors, Your Honor. I'll cut it!

The world we live in really has changed. My mother would have agreed with the judge's logic completely. I can see by the mother's reaction that the judge knew exactly what he was doing when he made his sentence reduction offer to her. Mom really doesn't think that her daughter did anything wrong -- what was the big deal? What harm did her daughter cause? Mom doesn't understand it, which is probably a contributing factor to why her daughter did what she did.
 
2012-06-23 01:59:04 PM  

OregonVet: biff1: Where was the 3-year-old's mother during all of this?

I don't feel overprotective as a parent when say my sons were never, ever, out of my sight in a public place. Never put a leash on them tho. I think it's better Lopan did get the reduced sentence- the less exposure other troubled youth have to her the better. And it's too bad it will come to a head when she gets tried as an adult for something else in the near future since it's obvious her parent(s) knew she was stalking someone and let her roam around freely.

Still, it is really disturbing the three-year old was able to end up in that situation.... There's no excuse in the article given, so I just have to go with another bad mom.


Without all the details from the case it's hard to say how she lost sight of her daughter but it's not hard to imagine that there are plenty of nooks and crannies in those jungle gyms where you can lose sight for a few moments. If it's especially busy with lots of children it's even more chaotic. One flick of the scissors and instant hair cut for a 3 year old. It's not like they have a heap load of hair at that age. I bet the act took all of a few seconds.
 
2012-06-23 01:59:10 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "She definitely needed to be punished for what had happened," Valerie Bruno told the Deseret News. "But I never dreamt it would be that much of a punishment."

Give me the damned scissors, Your Honor. I'll cut it!

The world we live in really has changed. My mother would have agreed with the judge's logic completely. I can see by the mother's reaction that the judge knew exactly what he was doing when he made his sentence reduction offer to her. Mom really doesn't think that her daughter did anything wrong -- what was the big deal? What harm did her daughter cause? Mom doesn't understand it, which is probably a contributing factor to why her daughter did what she did.


And after all that, mom was STILL unable to reconcile how she felt about having to cut her daughter's hair with how the OTHER (inattentive) mother might have felt about having HER daughter's hair cut by random teenagers.
 
2012-06-23 02:07:31 PM  

hbomb1129: I bet the act took all of a few seconds.


I'm guessing it played out as you suggest. But, the girls had enough time to pick the girl, and -what was the term, befriend her or whatever, go ask staff for scissors, go across the street to purchase scissors, come back, get the girl to a spot out of site, and finally cut her hair. Assuming the three-year old ate, they would have been there an awful long time. Meh, maybe they don't have air conditioning at home.

/considering this is 'merika, won't be surprised if McDs gets sued
 
2012-06-23 02:11:13 PM  

reported: FTA: At a May 28 hearing, Lopan entered admissions in the assault case, as well as another case stemming from eight months of phone calls she made to another teen in Colorado that included threats of rape and mutilation, according to an audio recording of the hearing provided to the Deseret News by Bruno.

13 and already a sociopathic psycho biatch. I do not see a bright future for this girl.


I agree there is something really wrong with this girl. Stalking and threats of rape and mutilation at 13? **shivers**
 
2012-06-23 02:47:22 PM  
Hair grows back, but (hopefully) that lesson will stay with her for a long time.
 
2012-06-23 03:11:28 PM  

EvilEgg: biff1: FTA: "They tried to borrow some from McDonald's employees, but when they were turned down, they walked across the street and bought scissors from a dollar store.
"After acquiring the scissors, they returned to McDonald's, where they both took a turn ... cutting some of the little girl's hair off the back of her head,""


Where was the 3-year-old's mother during all of this?

Or the 11 year old's?


When I was 11 (that's 6th grade, BTW) I was allowed to go outside and wander all I wanted. I was allowed to go to the store and spend my allowance on my own without mommy and daddy always by my side.

And, yes, we did our fair share of mischief.
 
2012-06-23 03:13:50 PM  
Seriously... 24 comments and I'm the first to point out that punishment was 200+ hours community service? The hair cutting part was just a deal the judge offered to remove the community service punishment.

The judge didn't and couldn't force such an action.
 
2012-06-23 03:16:55 PM  

AbbeySomeone: reported: FTA: At a May 28 hearing, Lopan entered admissions in the assault case, as well as another case stemming from eight months of phone calls she made to another teen in Colorado that included threats of rape and mutilation, according to an audio recording of the hearing provided to the Deseret News by Bruno.

13 and already a sociopathic psycho biatch. I do not see a bright future for this girl.

She is one f*cked up girl.

Dogberry: "An eye for an eye, that's not how you teach kids right from wrong."

Yeah, that's your job, mom.

It all makes so much sense now. I'm a sh*tty parent, I know, I'll whine to the media. My daughter and I are victims of the system.

Sterilize them both.


There's another story of a kid who attacked his teacher and broke her knee and the mom was saying she deserved it.... I wonder if these 2 broads are related
 
2012-06-23 03:19:34 PM  

reported: FTA: At a May 28 hearing, Lopan entered admissions in the assault case, as well as another case stemming from eight months of phone calls she made to another teen in Colorado that included threats of rape and mutilation, according to an audio recording of the hearing provided to the Deseret News by Bruno.

13 and already a sociopathic psycho biatch. I do not see a bright future for this girl.


dingdingdingdingding i really hope all involved are put into counseling. those two children are right out of a TV forensics or real detective show. too creepy.
the kids are not a first round draft pick, both Moms (or Dads) may well be long time walking danger zones too. good luck
 
2012-06-23 03:21:18 PM  

Lorelle: OregonVet: Well, my younger son is named El-O (pronounced El dash Oh) but he is not a brat!

That's different. Hyphenated names are A-OK because they sound more civilized. Like Kal-El.

/middle name rhymes with Jor-El


Le-a (the dash don't be silent)
 
2012-06-23 03:22:04 PM  
What downstairs said... mommy dearest had the choice of the full sentence or a haircut. She chose the haircut. She really needs to quit biatching NOW
 
2012-06-23 03:22:24 PM  
"An eye for an eye, that's not how you teach kids right from wrong."


It was ponytail for a ponytail, stupid-assed biatch of a mother. Doing a helluva job of teaching your progeny the difference between right and wrong.
 
2012-06-23 03:23:51 PM  
the judge needs hero tag?
 
2012-06-23 03:23:57 PM  
1. where were the parents. i wouldn't just throw my kids out to public places without supervision. especially at 3.

2. see above.

3. if the deal was struck and agreed upon, i see nothing wrong here. hair grows back (for most people).
 
2012-06-23 03:24:04 PM  
Hair today, gone tomorrow.
 
2012-06-23 03:24:43 PM  

xanadian: AbbeySomeone: reported: FTA: At a May 28 hearing, Lopan entered admissions in the assault case, as well as another case stemming from eight months of phone calls she made to another teen in Colorado that included threats of rape and mutilation, according to an audio recording of the hearing provided to the Deseret News by Bruno.

13 and already a sociopathic psycho biatch. I do not see a bright future for this girl.

She is one f*cked up girl.

Apparently, sociopaths cannot help it. Their brain circuitry is so wired that they cannot feel empathy towards other people. It occurs in 1 out of 100 people.

Not sure what you can do about that...other than have them run for Congress, I guess...

*ba dum bum bssh*


And 3 out of 4 politicians.
 
2012-06-23 03:26:54 PM  

KrispyKritter: reported: FTA: At a May 28 hearing, Lopan entered admissions in the assault case, as well as another case stemming from eight months of phone calls she made to another teen in Colorado that included threats of rape and mutilation, according to an audio recording of the hearing provided to the Deseret News by Bruno.

13 and already a sociopathic psycho biatch. I do not see a bright future for this girl.

dingdingdingdingding i really hope all involved are put into counseling.


If they are already 13 and that farked up, I don't see much hope for them.
 
2012-06-23 03:28:55 PM  
What a selfish coont of a mother. No wonder her sociopathic little brat already has 2 run-ins with the police. I fully expect a preggers 15 year old with a few classy tats and some meth pipe burns on her arms.

Help us evolve as a species and kill yourself and your child you boil on this planet's ass...
 
2012-06-23 03:29:13 PM  
Oh. Your. God. It's farking hair and it will grow the fark back before your delinquent twat of a snowflake has her school pictures taken in the fall. The 3 year old probably doesn't even care. The mothers should each be sentenced to gargle a bag of dicks until they stop crippling their children into thinking that a bad haircut is worth histrionics and taking up the court's time.
 
2012-06-23 03:29:41 PM  
The judge is likely farked because he offered that as a condition to a lower sentence. I think he'd been fine to just *make* that the sentence.
 
2012-06-23 03:29:49 PM  
No voices in the sky?
 
2012-06-23 03:32:29 PM  

gopher321: Good job, judge.

Zero sympathy for 13 yr old cruel biatch or her lousy mother.



Agreed. It was a fair punishment.
 
2012-06-23 03:32:38 PM  
The only thing "sad" about this article, subby, is that the mother is suing instead of supplementing the judge's verdict with more punishment at home. 13 years old and already in court twice for this and for some pretty graphic cyber bullying? Kid needs some discipline ASAP. The haircut was an excellent idea on the judge's part. It puts the offender in the victim's place and will provide a constant reminder until the hair grows back. Too bad the mother doesn't agree and is making it into an issue.
 
2012-06-23 03:32:43 PM  
I don't completely disagree with the court's decision but I disagree with the philosophy behind it. If the court decided what the girl did was assault and that it was an egregious act wouldn't the court's punishment also be assault and egregious? My logic puts this in the category of cruel and unusual punishment. In essence that are assaulting a minor if by the court's account that the cutting of the 3 year holds hair was assault.
 
2012-06-23 03:33:40 PM  
Too bad the judge was such a spineless wimp.

uwemilitaria.org

/it grows back
 
2012-06-23 03:34:01 PM  

universebetween: the judge needs hero tag?


I agree. This is one of the very few Judges that actually display common sense.
 
2012-06-23 03:34:16 PM  

titwrench: I don't completely disagree with the court's decision but I disagree with the philosophy behind it. If the court decided what the girl did was assault and that it was an egregious act wouldn't the court's punishment also be assault and egregious? My logic puts this in the category of cruel and unusual punishment. In essence that are assaulting a minor if by the court's account that the cutting of the 3 year holds hair was assault.


Drunk typing but you get the idea.
 
2012-06-23 03:37:00 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: No voices in the sky?


That's not a hair question.
 
2012-06-23 03:39:36 PM  

downstairs: Seriously... 24 comments and I'm the first to point out that punishment was 200+ hours community service? The hair cutting part was just a deal the judge offered to remove the community service punishment.

The judge didn't and couldn't force such an action.


30 days in detention plus the community service.
Not gonna read it again, but didn't it say that the hair cut would remove 150 hours, or reduce it to 150 hours?

/Were it my Mom, I woulda been bald before going to court.
 
2012-06-23 03:40:43 PM  
There's plenty of WTF to go around in this story.

First of all, I couldn't help but roll my eyes at the 3-year-old's mom whining about how beautiful her daughter's hair was. NOT that I don't empathize, but...really? A lawsuit? The article didn't say if she was looking for money or anything, though.

Does the term 'assault' really apply here?

I don't have a 13-year-old daughter (mine is only 9) but if she ever did something so blatantly cruel-hearted, I could see myself offering to chop her hair before we even left McDonald's. In fact, I'd be falling all over myself trying to apologize to the other mom. Offer to pay a year's worth of salon costs, or *something*. I can't imagine letting her walk away without doing my very best to convince her that I'd make my daughter's life a living hell for what she did.

Also, it's worth asking where the mom of the 3-year-old was. I know that haircut fiascos can happen really fast, but...how long was this lady at mcdonald's if the older girls had time to meet the little one, decide to cut her hair, ask the mcd's staff for scissors, get rejected, walk across the street to buy their own pair, walk back and then corner the little one again? It's hard--not impossible, but hard--to imagine being totally unaware of your 3-year-old daughter for so long.
 
2012-06-23 03:43:37 PM  

Trance750: KrispyKritter: reported: FTA: At a May 28 hearing, Lopan entered admissions in the assault case, as well as another case stemming from eight months of phone calls she made to another teen in Colorado that included threats of rape and mutilation, according to an audio recording of the hearing provided to the Deseret News by Bruno.

13 and already a sociopathic psycho biatch. I do not see a bright future for this girl.

dingdingdingdingding i really hope all involved are put into counseling.

If they are already 13 and that farked up, I don't see much hope for them.


If she is a psychopath and not just acting out, probably not. Some budding psychopaths have been turned around by intensive therapy, but it looks like this girl won't get it.

My suspicion is that the 13-year old isn't as farked up as people here think; I'd be looking more at what might be happening to her at home. I have this feeling that mommy isn't the paragon of virtue she pretends to be.
 
2012-06-23 03:45:43 PM  
This is clearly McDonald's fault.
 
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