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(Entertainment Weekly)   The best and worst TV reboots of all time. Was Star Trek:TNG truly a reboot?   (ew.com) divider line 242
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2012-06-23 11:40:17 AM  
No, TNG was not a reboot.

Was DS9 a reboot? Was Voyager? No. So why would TNG be a reboot?
 
2012-06-23 11:48:04 AM  
No.

Stupid slideshow is stupid.
 
2012-06-23 11:49:31 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: No, TNG was not a reboot.

Was DS9 a reboot? Was Voyager? No. So why would TNG be a reboot?


I dunno, I'd call it one. TNG came out 20 years after TOS, that pretty much makes it a reboot. If you're going to argue it isn't just because it was set at a different date, then I'd like to point out all number of reboots that have done exactly that, most recently with X-Men First Class.
 
2012-06-23 11:52:11 AM  
Dallas 2012... not a reboot.

90210... not a reboot.

Get Smart 1995... not a reboot.

Melrose Place 2009... not a reboot.

Does EW not know what a reboot is? When characters from the original show are in the new show, and played by the original actors, and time has visibly passed, it is not a reboot.
 
2012-06-23 11:55:46 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Dallas 2012... not a reboot.

90210... not a reboot.

Get Smart 1995... not a reboot.

Melrose Place 2009... not a reboot.

Does EW not know what a reboot is? When characters from the original show are in the new show, and played by the original actors, and time has visibly passed, it is not a reboot.


Ah, so new characters doesn't mean reboot? You can reboot a universe you know.
 
2012-06-23 11:58:48 AM  

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: Dallas 2012... not a reboot.

90210... not a reboot.

Get Smart 1995... not a reboot.

Melrose Place 2009... not a reboot.

Does EW not know what a reboot is? When characters from the original show are in the new show, and played by the original actors, and time has visibly passed, it is not a reboot.

Ah, so new characters doesn't mean reboot? You can reboot a universe you know.


And in the case of half the shows on the list, nothing was rebooted. They're just continuations.

Battlestar Galactica? That was a reboot. Hawaii 5-O? That was a reboot. But Dallas isn't a reboot.
 
2012-06-23 12:00:10 PM  
 
2012-06-23 12:05:52 PM  
TNG can't be a reboot because I remember hearing the supernova of nerd rage when it premiered.

"The Enterprise is not captained by Baldy McFrenchSurrender! The ship looks like my home care aide's office! The plots are all ripoffs!"
 
2012-06-23 12:06:50 PM  
Can someone post the full list? This site is not iPad friendly
 
2012-06-23 12:20:24 PM  
NERD FIGHT!
 
2012-06-23 12:36:49 PM  
Of course its not.
 
2012-06-23 12:39:58 PM  
I'd call TNG a reboot. They followed the exact same formula, just not as well. Connections to TOS were usually just tossed in as fanservice and you often got the feeling the showrunners were ashamed of TOS. But it was the exact same show over again, just with different sets and actors and a decidedly less fun tone.
 
2012-06-23 12:41:52 PM  
No, TNG's a sequel or a continuation.

A *relaunch* of the franchise, maybe, but not a reboot.
 
2012-06-23 12:42:43 PM  

Confabulat: I'd call TNG a reboot. They followed the exact same formula, just not as well. Connections to TOS were usually just tossed in as fanservice and you often got the feeling the showrunners were ashamed of TOS. But it was the exact same show over again, just with different sets and actors and a decidedly less fun tone.


In one of the early TNG episodes the name James T Kirk came up and the crew had never heard of him.
 
2012-06-23 12:42:50 PM  

Confabulat: I'd call TNG a reboot. They followed the exact same formula, just not as well.


But it was an explicit sequel. It's literally in the name of the show.
 
2012-06-23 12:45:31 PM  

DamnYankees: Confabulat: I'd call TNG a reboot. They followed the exact same formula, just not as well.

But it was an explicit sequel. It's literally in the name of the show.


Technically, maybe. But realistically, all that was window dressing to put Star Trek back on the air without having to explain where Kirk and Spock went. Heck they even have the same opening credits.
 
2012-06-23 12:47:13 PM  

simplicimus: Confabulat: I'd call TNG a reboot. They followed the exact same formula, just not as well. Connections to TOS were usually just tossed in as fanservice and you often got the feeling the showrunners were ashamed of TOS. But it was the exact same show over again, just with different sets and actors and a decidedly less fun tone.

In one of the early TNG episodes the name James T Kirk came up and the crew had never heard of him.


Wut? McCoy was on the first damned episode.
 
2012-06-23 12:50:50 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: No, TNG was not a reboot.

Was DS9 a reboot? Was Voyager? No. So why would TNG be a reboot?


I'd call it like this: TOS was the original of course. The Animated Series was a sequel to TOS. TNG was a reboot of TOS. DS9 was a spinoff of the reboot. Voyager was a sequel to the reboot. Enterprise was a prequel to the reboot (even though it desperately tried to incorporate TOS stuff to keep interest of fans). The latest movie was a spin-off / alt take on TOS.
 
2012-06-23 12:52:05 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: No, TNG's a sequel or a continuation.

A *relaunch* of the franchise, maybe, but not a reboot.


Relaunch is probably the best descriptor for Star Trek: TNG.
 
2012-06-23 12:52:46 PM  

Confabulat: TNG was a reboot of TOS


Why wouldn't TNG be another sequel to TOS?
 
2012-06-23 12:52:54 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Dallas 2012... not a reboot.

90210... not a reboot.

Get Smart 1995... not a reboot.

Melrose Place 2009... not a reboot.

Does EW not know what a reboot is? When characters from the original show are in the new show, and played by the original actors, and time has visibly passed, it is not a reboot.


By that definition, the Chris Pine ST isn't a reboot because of Spock.
 
2012-06-23 12:54:03 PM  

Confabulat: DS9 was a spinoff of the reboot. Voyager was a sequel to the reboot.


What makes DS9 a spinoff but Voyager a sequel? They are both equally sequally.

Confabulat: The latest movie was a spin-off / alt take on TOS.


Of all the things you could possibly consider reboots, its the new movie.
 
2012-06-23 12:57:47 PM  

DamnYankees: Confabulat: DS9 was a spinoff of the reboot. Voyager was a sequel to the reboot.

What makes DS9 a spinoff but Voyager a sequel? They are both equally sequally.

Confabulat: The latest movie was a spin-off / alt take on TOS.

Of all the things you could possibly consider reboots, its the new movie.


The thing about Trek is all these terms are kind of grey as there is connective tissue throughout (you couldn't know why Spock was in Romulan space at the beginning of the new movie without watching TNG, for example) but that's just a fortunate event of having it all technically take place in the same universe.

I'd call DS9 more of a spinoff because it had a different format than the other shows. Voyager was more of a sequel because it was the same "ship travels through space, finding weird stuff" format as TNG.
 
2012-06-23 01:00:31 PM  

vygramul: By that definition, the Chris Pine ST isn't a reboot because of Spock.


That's fair. The movie Star Trek could be considered a sequel to TNG after all. Heck there's even prequel comics with Spock and Picard dealing with Nero.
 
2012-06-23 01:01:05 PM  

vygramul: FirstNationalBastard: Dallas 2012... not a reboot.

90210... not a reboot.

Get Smart 1995... not a reboot.

Melrose Place 2009... not a reboot.

Does EW not know what a reboot is? When characters from the original show are in the new show, and played by the original actors, and time has visibly passed, it is not a reboot.

By that definition, the Chris Pine ST isn't a reboot because of Spock.


Generic Space Movie doesn't count for anything.
 
2012-06-23 01:01:18 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: simplicimus: Confabulat: I'd call TNG a reboot. They followed the exact same formula, just not as well. Connections to TOS were usually just tossed in as fanservice and you often got the feeling the showrunners were ashamed of TOS. But it was the exact same show over again, just with different sets and actors and a decidedly less fun tone.

In one of the early TNG episodes the name James T Kirk came up and the crew had never heard of him.

Wut? McCoy was on the first damned episode.


It was the TNG where the crew comes down with something like the intoxication by contact virus from TOS. Swordsman Sulu episode.
 
2012-06-23 01:03:14 PM  

cman: Can someone post the full list? This site is not iPad friendly


Yeah, sure (you lazy ass). According to EW:


Best:

- Dallas (not a reboot)
- Hawaii Five-0
- 90210 (not a reboot)
- Battlestar Galactica
- Star Trek TNG (not a reboot)


Worst:

- V (the author seems to be under the impression that the 2009 stinker was renewed for another season)
- Grapevine
- Melrose Place (not a reboot)
- Cupid
- Bionic Woman
- Get Smart (not a reboot)
- Coupling
- Fawlty Towers US remakes/Amanda's/Payne
- The Love Boat/The Next Wave (don't think this was a reboot but not sure)
- Knight Rider (not a reboot)

List is missing Red Dwarf USA.
 
2012-06-23 01:04:36 PM  
Handy guide:

Prequel: before the events of the original. (Star Wars I, II, III)
Sequel: after the events of the original. (ST:TNG)
Reboot: the same time period, but changing events (ST)
Remake: the same time period and same events (The Hobbit 1977 vs The Hobbit 2012)
 
2012-06-23 01:08:22 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Generic Space Movie doesn't count for anything.


Oh, so you still haven't gotten over it. 2009 was a long time ago, you know. I can't wait for the next one. You'll probably go see it on Opening Day and sulk the whole way through it, just like you did the last one.
 
2012-06-23 01:15:36 PM  

Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: Generic Space Movie doesn't count for anything.

Oh, so you still haven't gotten over it. 2009 was a long time ago, you know. I can't wait for the next one. You'll probably go see it on Opening Day and sulk the whole way through it, just like you did the last one.


Never saw Generic Space Movie, thanks. If I want to watch shiat, I'll download some German fetish films.

However, Generic Space Film 2009 was a reboot.
 
2012-06-23 01:19:56 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian:
Worst:

- Coupling


Ugh. The US version was just appalling.

List is missing Red Dwarf USA.

I THOUGHT WE AGREED THAT WE WOULD NEVER MENTION THAT "INCIDENT"!
 
2012-06-23 01:24:46 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: Generic Space Movie doesn't count for anything.

Oh, so you still haven't gotten over it. 2009 was a long time ago, you know. I can't wait for the next one. You'll probably go see it on Opening Day and sulk the whole way through it, just like you did the last one.

Never saw Generic Space Movie, thanks. If I want to watch shiat, I'll download some German fetish films.

However, Generic Space Film 2009 was a reboot.


Honestly, there's nothing funnier in these threads than the hatred of the new movie.
 
2012-06-23 01:27:25 PM  

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: Generic Space Movie doesn't count for anything.

Oh, so you still haven't gotten over it. 2009 was a long time ago, you know. I can't wait for the next one. You'll probably go see it on Opening Day and sulk the whole way through it, just like you did the last one.

Never saw Generic Space Movie, thanks. If I want to watch shiat, I'll download some German fetish films.

However, Generic Space Film 2009 was a reboot.

Honestly, there's nothing funnier in these threads than the hatred of the new movie.


If Confabulat wasn't around, I doubt I would come off half as insane as I do.

His insanity brings out my insanity. Without him, I probably would have gotten the one dig in, and that would have been it.

/I'm crazy, but he's nuts.
//Also, I don't see Coupling US as a reboot. It's a remake. Was Three's Company a reboot of Man About The House? No. It was a remake, or maybe an adaptation.
 
2012-06-23 01:29:25 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: /I'm crazy, but he's nuts.


I like Star Trek, well except for Voyager and Enterprise, that sucked. But I don't dress up a Starfleet Officer or go to conventions or anything.

And I don't get overly emotional about its various incarnations. I liked the new movie a lot, and am looking forward to the next one.

That makes me nuts?
 
2012-06-23 01:32:33 PM  
The Star Trek movie wasn't a reboot. Same universe, divergent timeline.
 
2012-06-23 01:33:26 PM  

Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: /I'm crazy, but he's nuts.

I like Star Trek, well except for Voyager and Enterprise, that sucked. But I don't dress up a Starfleet Officer or go to conventions or anything.

And I don't get overly emotional about its various incarnations. I liked the new movie a lot, and am looking forward to the next one.

That makes me nuts?


I think it's even worse that you dress up as a Ferrengi and just loaf about your apt. Going to a Con at least counts as social interaction.
 
2012-06-23 01:35:09 PM  
How can it be a reboot if it followed the events from TOS? Hell, even Bones was on the first episode of TNG... as a really old man.
 
2012-06-23 01:35:42 PM  

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: Confabulat: FirstNationalBastard: Generic Space Movie doesn't count for anything.

Oh, so you still haven't gotten over it. 2009 was a long time ago, you know. I can't wait for the next one. You'll probably go see it on Opening Day and sulk the whole way through it, just like you did the last one.

Never saw Generic Space Movie, thanks. If I want to watch shiat, I'll download some German fetish films.

However, Generic Space Film 2009 was a reboot.

Honestly, there's nothing funnier in these threads than the hatred of the new movie.


This. Aside from the overwhelming lens flare and Tyler Perry I thought it was a very enjoyable movie.

CSB: I met a guy at a party who works on the CGI story boarding (basically he sets up the shots, where the camera is, where things come from) for the upcoming Star Trek. I was fairly buzzed and I started giving him shiat, asked him if there was a guy who story boarded the lens flare.
 
2012-06-23 01:36:58 PM  
How can the NEXT Generation be a reboot? Is Teen Wolf Too a reboot?
 
2012-06-23 01:38:54 PM  

dalovindj: The Star Trek movie wasn't a reboot. Same universe, divergent timeline.


Still a reboot. It goes back in time and uses the same characters and changes the events. Had it used the same events, it would have been a remake, not a reboot.
 
2012-06-23 01:40:06 PM  
FTFA: "Look no further than Eick's next project, Bionic Woman, which unsuccessfully tried to add dramatic heft to Lindsay Wagner's fondly forgotten Six Million Dollar Man spin-off. Still, Battlestar's Katee Sackhoff made a fun, feisty villain - why wasn't the show about her? ?

lolwut. That's certainly a 'different' interpretation.
 
2012-06-23 01:41:15 PM  
I think everything that needs to be said here has been said.

/no. TNG is not a reboot.
/Star Trek: Lens Flare was a reboot
 
2012-06-23 01:45:17 PM  

mat catastrophe: I think everything that needs to be said here has been said.

/no. TNG is not a reboot.
/Star Trek: Lens Flare was a reboot


Actually, let me correct myself - Star Trek: Lens Flare is a retcon, not a reboot. If they'd left out original Spock and actually tried to just tell a story based on canon (and semi-canon) sources, it would be a reboot.

As it is, they chose to do some sketchy timeline stuff that somehow managed to *wildly* alter the universe storyline, unless you want to subscribe to the incredibly nerdy theory that the appearance of the Romulan mining vessel in the late 22nd century was so disruptive to the timeline that it became necessary for Starfleet's time cops to do some serious work to get the timeline back in order.

Of course, that doesn't explain how pregnant Mrs. Kirk was in deep space (when that wouldn't become vogue until the 24th century) instead of on Earth in Iowa.

In fact, it doesn't explain anything.

Holy fark, this is stupid.
 
2012-06-23 01:45:35 PM  

DamnYankees: What makes DS9 a spinoff but Voyager a sequel? They are both equally sequally.



I would say because Voyager follows the same path and style of TNG. Both were a light and zanny Sci-fi adventure on a star ship exploring the unknown where each episode were more stand-alone then intertwined.
DS9 went into a different direction. It wasn't about exploring the unknown space. It focused on exploring the characters with a much more defined and reaching plot.

The styles were completely different.
 
2012-06-23 01:48:06 PM  
Let's all just agree that the following terms in entertainment parlance are apparently interchangeable to the idiots at Entertainment Weekly:

reboot
retcon
based on
spin-off
sequel
prequel
 
2012-06-23 01:48:28 PM  
Technically, Star Trek (2009) is not a reboot, it's an alternative timeline. Practically it's the same thing, but since Spock Prime exists in both universes, it's not covering the same ground. The Prime timeline can continue to exist without issue and not step on any of the J.J. Abrams' films' toes, and vice versa.

That is probably the most cunning choice they made. On the other end of the spectrum is filming the Enterprise engine room in a brewery.
 
2012-06-23 01:48:34 PM  

Confabulat: I'd call TNG a reboot. They followed the exact same formula, just not as well. Connections to TOS were usually just tossed in as fanservice and you often got the feeling the showrunners were ashamed of TOS. But it was the exact same show over again, just with different sets and actors and a decidedly less fun tone.


Nice jorb! I give it a 8/10, possible 9, considering all the bites you got. Well done. Very well done.
 
2012-06-23 01:49:34 PM  

vygramul: dalovindj: The Star Trek movie wasn't a reboot. Same universe, divergent timeline.

Still a reboot. It goes back in time and uses the same characters and changes the events. Had it used the same events, it would have been a remake, not a reboot.


Time travel is a staple of the ST universe. The use of it as a plot device does not itself make it a reboot. The character of Spock came from the original TOS/TNG timeline, back through time resulting in an altered timeline. Not a reboot, not a retelling. The events in the movie are direct continuations of the stories from the series.
 
2012-06-23 01:50:51 PM  

cman: Can someone post the full list? This site is not iPad friendly


iThink you should get a real computer then.
 
2012-06-23 02:00:56 PM  

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: No, TNG was not a reboot.

Was DS9 a reboot? Was Voyager? No. So why would TNG be a reboot?

I dunno, I'd call it one. TNG came out 20 years after TOS, that pretty much makes it a reboot. If you're going to argue it isn't just because it was set at a different date, then I'd like to point out all number of reboots that have done exactly that, most recently with X-Men First Class.


I thought First Class took place in the same universe as the other X-Men movies, just earlier in time. That makes it a prequel, not a reboot. (If I'm mistaken, then yes, First Class would be a reboot.)

It's the same as if Lucas had gone back and made 3 movies about how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader. Those would have been prequels, not a reboot.

I'm no trekkie, but as a casual viewer it seemed TNG was mostly faithful to the history as set out in TOS, aka they occurred in the same universe at different times. That makes TNG a sequel, not a reboot.

The new ST movies, which have the same characters but in an obviously different universe, are a reboot.
 
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