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2012-06-23 05:04:45 PM

GAT_00: Actually, I saw a quote yesterday that said it best, though this is rough: "Socialism will never succeed in America because the poor view themselves as temporarily impoverished millionaires." It sums up the stupid that is voting Republican nicely.


The fact that you think it's stupid sums up the derp that is leftism perfectly. Ambition and optimism are what make this country great. Not everyone will succeed, but everyone should have every encouragement to try, and that includes not having the fruits of their labors stripped away from them to give to those who don't try.

And before you get your panties in a wad over the truly disadvantaged and needy, I don't oppose a safety net, but leftism isn't about a safety net, and hasn't been for decades. It's about cradle-to-grave centrally planned command economy, along with thought-police wharrgarbl like hate crimes laws. It's about leftists being in control of every aspect of every person's life, because leftists truly believe they are better than everyone else.

DO NOT WANT.

It's just that simple.
 
2012-06-23 05:05:29 PM
We get it. He's banging a BLACK chick in the WHITE house.

/on the upside, only 4+ more years
 
2012-06-23 05:06:57 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: It's just that simple.


It needs to be, otherwise people as dumb as yourself wouldn't be able to be conned into believing it.
 
2012-06-23 05:07:42 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Weaver95: I get that sometimes from random people in the politics tab. i'm sure what you did was the most horrible thing to happen to relcec this year. to him, it was a defining moment that's reorganized his life and goals every since. But to you? it was Tuesday.

I think I created a super-villain. He's going to put on a taffeta cape and half-mask and start murdering people and it's inadvertently my fault.

/my lawyers have advised me to note that I do not in fact take legal responsibility for the Taffeta Terror's killing spree


static3.beanscdn.co.uk
 
2012-06-23 05:08:59 PM

Lorelle: The same people who don't want others to have access to affordable healthcare because it costs money have no problem with their tax dollars being wasted on unnecessary wars and corporate welfare.


I have an enormous problem with both of those things. But neither Obama nor the Dems share this view, any more than the GOP does.

Next lie error, please?
 
2012-06-23 05:09:04 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: G
The fact that you think it's stupid sums up the derp that is leftism perfectly. Ambition and optimism are what make this country great. Not everyone will succeed, but everyone should have every encouragement to try, and that includes not having the fruits of their labors stripped away from them to give to those who don't try..


ambition is great...I just want to stop the GOP from shooting everyone in the foot right before the race starts....
 
2012-06-23 05:12:06 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: SouthernFriedYankee: It's just that simple.

It needs to be, otherwise people as dumb as yourself wouldn't be able to be conned into believing it.


Ouch. That one's going to leave a mark.
 
2012-06-23 05:14:30 PM

relcec: oh, 1.50 per meal.
boy was I wrong.


Cool. You admitted your mistake. That is one step closer to becoming a rational human being. Keep up the good work!

/That is honestly more than can be said of many farkers and politicians. not much of a comparison i know.
 
2012-06-23 05:15:21 PM

Tor_Eckman: LouDobbsAwaaaay: SouthernFriedYankee: It's just that simple.

It needs to be, otherwise people as dumb as yourself wouldn't be able to be conned into believing it.

Ouch. That one's going to leave a mark.


Oh God. Did I do it again? Is he going to come barreling into a different thread on July 10 and have a meltdown?
 
2012-06-23 05:15:33 PM
seriously - who in their right mind actually believes that the GOP is for a 'level playing field'? that's mind blowing. the Republicans are VERY obvious about their agenda and it does not benefit anyone except the top 5% of the country. i'm willing to bet that most of us in the politics tab ain't in that elite club so why would you vote for an agenda that does not and will never benefit you? esp when most GOP voters are of the 'f*ck you I got mine' mentality.

logically, most GOP voters (esp the purely economic theory ones) should be voting Democrat. that's the only party that has a policy agenda that directly benefits their bottom line.
 
2012-06-23 05:15:40 PM
There should be opt in taxes. I can opt for my taxes to pay for socialized medicine but not war. If i have a need for healthcare I can access it. If terr'sts end up in Albuquerque I don't get help. And a righty can do the opposite. Sign away all access to any future health assistance to have their taxes not fund it. Its a smart bet for them. In addition to being one break away from being billionaires they're also immune to aging and failing health.
 
2012-06-23 05:17:49 PM

New Farkin User Name: relcec: oh, 1.50 per meal.
boy was I wrong.

Cool. You admitted your mistake. That is one step closer to becoming a rational human being. Keep up the good work!

/That is honestly more than can be said of many farkers and politicians. not much of a comparison i know.


You didn't read my posts above. This is what he does. Calls people assholes and pos's and farking retards and then when his point is totally dismantled he admits defeat and slinks away.

He is not anywhere near to becoming a rational human being.
 
2012-06-23 05:20:21 PM

relcec: MFAWG: St_Francis_P: My 85-year old father, who was a staunch Republican all his life, thought we ought to have some form of universal healthcare. I doubt the issue will quietly disappear.

This bears repeating: universal care as well as the mandate to purchase are both Republican ideas.

The fact that they now oppose it is mere partisan hackery

and they are terrible ideas that were always opposed by liberals and progressives for very good reasons.
the fact that it is supported by you is merely because you are partisan douchebag.


I think you mean the mandate is a terrible idea rather than the idea of universal health care. Or at least that's my assumption since you're one of the biggest champions of Medicare for All that I know.
 
2012-06-23 05:21:37 PM

rudemix: There should be opt in taxes. I can opt for my taxes to pay for socialized medicine but not war.


Can't really do that for war, but wouldn't the Public Option have essentially been an opt-in program like this? I remember the right-wing screaming that it would have been a nightmarish-ly awful insurance system, but simultaneously that it would have been so good that it would put all of the private insurers out of business.

Sadly, Obama dropped it after talking to some lobbyists.
 
2012-06-23 05:22:21 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: SouthernFriedYankee: It's just that simple.

It needs to be, otherwise people as dumb as yourself wouldn't be able to be conned into believing it.


Aaaaand right right off the edge into ad hominem we go.

Pfffft.
 
2012-06-23 05:24:27 PM

Weaver95: ambition is great...I just want to stop the GOP from shooting everyone in the foot right before the race starts....


Agreed. My political affiliation is post-partisan. They're all full of shiat.
 
2012-06-23 05:24:40 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: LouDobbsAwaaaay: SouthernFriedYankee: It's just that simple.

It needs to be, otherwise people as dumb as yourself wouldn't be able to be conned into believing it.

Aaaaand right right off the edge into ad hominem we go.

Pfffft.


I think its a little late to try and claim the moral high ground....but hey, if you just wanted to threadjack then its a good way to get one started.

speaking of morality - how does a good christian republican reconcile the GOP attitude of 'f*ck the poor' with Christ's message to heal the sick and help the poor?
 
2012-06-23 05:25:05 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: rudemix: There should be opt in taxes. I can opt for my taxes to pay for socialized medicine but not war.

Can't really do that for war, but wouldn't the Public Option have essentially been an opt-in program like this? I remember the right-wing screaming that it would have been a nightmarish-ly awful insurance system, but simultaneously that it would have been so good that it would put all of the private insurers out of business.

Sadly, Obama dropped it after talking to some lobbyists.


Oooh, swing and and a miss on that one, Lou. He actually dropped it after talking to this guy.
 
2012-06-23 05:25:21 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: Aaaaand right right off the edge into ad hominem we go.

Pfffft.


Actually it started a bit earlier than that. Somewhere around:

SouthernFriedYankee: It's about leftists being in control of every aspect of every person's life, because leftists truly believe they are better than everyone else.


A hypocritical, projecting right-winger. Will wonders ever cease.
 
2012-06-23 05:27:28 PM

Weaver95: relcec: LouDobbsAwaaaay: relcec:

LouDobbsAwaaaay 2012-06-06 12:18:15 AM
I've lived in it since I was six months old, and I feel like an outsider now. I hope to actually be an outsider soon enough.

did you realize your skills were not as valuable as you had thought?

Holy crap I have a stalker. Who do I report this kind of thing to?


I just want assholes like yourself to actually leave when you say you will.
unfortunately you people rarely have skills necessary to make it the f*ck out of the country.

what is it with you anyway?


you personally?
I can't believe you have the balls to ask this.

you're a pholibertarian/progressive authoritarian who wants to his personal ideas on the limits of human morality dictating what constitutes illegal behavior for everyone. that's why I have a problem with you.

you bug be because you spent 6 years as a fake republican on this site using puddle deep analysis that embarrassed me to me in the same party as you personally, and now after pulling a complete "180" in your you have somehow managed to learn absolute nothing in the transformation, and you are annoying in the exact same ways as in your new form as a a fake progressive/libertarian. it bugs me that your analysis of any set of circumstances is merely deep enough to pop out a cliche or pre-approved party talking point.

I get offended that you are a dumbass who can't hold down a job, yet you somehow think you have all the answers, economic or otherwise, for the how I and others should live their lives.

I get offended that assholes like you, rightly, take great offense at the h1b visa program because it threatens your job personally but are also active supporters of other forms of mass immigration that has destroyed the value of working class labor.

I get offended that assholes like you are the ones who drove the republican party off the deep end by demanding that the Constitution needed to be altered for our *security*, and then instead of sticking around to clean up the mess you created in that party you abandoned what you created as an authoritarian anachronism, and are now supporting the same exact shiat in the democrat party (such as the Obama administration demanding, and getting, the ability to indefinitely detain citizens of the united states once he deems them to be terrorists. citation).

the end of f*cking habaes corpus in America for Christ sake.
this is your fault.
you personally are what the f*ck is wrong with this country.

that's why I have a problem with you.




Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2004-10-16 07:05:25 PM
I'd rather catch the terrorists myself. I'm funny that way tho.
I'm thinking the constitution might need to 'bend' a little. Hey - Roe v Wade was bending the rules to fit the whims of society. Now that there's a group of people willing to trade their lives for a mass kill of US citizens it might be time for another 'reevaluation'.
 
2012-06-23 05:27:55 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Tor_Eckman: LouDobbsAwaaaay: SouthernFriedYankee: It's just that simple.

It needs to be, otherwise people as dumb as yourself wouldn't be able to be conned into believing it.

Ouch. That one's going to leave a mark.

Oh God. Did I do it again? Is he going to come barreling into a different thread on July 10 and have a meltdown?


You folks are so smug and sure of yourselves. It's amazing and amusing. You also think I'm concerned with your name calling.

But when you devolve into strawman and ad hominem, it means you're out of actual debate points. This means I win. So go for it. : )
 
2012-06-23 05:29:39 PM

relcec:
you're a pholibertarian/progressive authoritarian who wants to his personal ideas on the limits of human morality dictating what constitutes illegal behavior for everyone. that's why I have a problem with you....


what's a 'pholibertarian'?

*scratches head*
 
2012-06-23 05:29:44 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: SouthernFriedYankee: It's about leftists being in control of every aspect of every person's life, because leftists truly believe they are better than everyone else.

A hypocritical, projecting right-winger. Will wonders ever cease.



I still can't understand how they look at Republicans trying to constitutionally outlaw same-sex marriage, log it away as a fact of life, then look at a socialized medicine proposal being touted as the best and most efficient way to pay for health insurance based on the number of people covered, and twist it into "LEFTY WANTS TO CONTROL EVERYTHING."

It's like this crap about "job-killing legislation" when the only job it's trying to eliminate is the guy whose job it is to dump arsenic in the river.
 
2012-06-23 05:29:54 PM

Weaver95: SouthernFriedYankee: LouDobbsAwaaaay: SouthernFriedYankee: It's just that simple.

It needs to be, otherwise people as dumb as yourself wouldn't be able to be conned into believing it.

Aaaaand right right off the edge into ad hominem we go.

Pfffft.

I think its a little late to try and claim the moral high ground....but hey, if you just wanted to threadjack then its a good way to get one started.

speaking of morality - how does a good christian republican reconcile the GOP attitude of 'f*ck the poor' with Christ's message to heal the sick and help the poor?


Oooh oooh can I take this one? It must have been on Limblabb last week, because I've heard it over and over again lately.

Ahem.

You should help people voluntarily. Helping people by having your hard earned money stolen at gunpoint by the government is not what Jebus meant.

Because being threatened with eternal damnation isn't being forced or anything.
 
2012-06-23 05:30:35 PM

Tor_Eckman: Oooh, swing and and a miss on that one, Lou. He actually dropped it after talking to this guy.


I'm not saying the political road was clear for him to move on the Public Option. However ...

"Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals said it was understood as a condition of their support that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan paying-Medicare rates...or controlled by the secretary of health and human services. 'We have an agreement with the White House that I'm very confident will be seen all the way through conference', one of the industry lobbyists, Chip Kahn, director of the Federation of American Hospitals, told a Capitol Hill newsletter...Industry lobbyists say they are not worried [about a public option.] 'We trust the White House,' Mr. Kahn said."

... he did make a deal to insure that it would never be part of the final bill. After that, the finger-pointing about who is ultimately to blame for it never getting to the floor is theater. The lobby said 'no', and the President and Congress obeyed.
 
2012-06-23 05:31:11 PM

Weaver95: relcec:
you're a pholibertarian/progressive authoritarian who wants to his personal ideas on the limits of human morality dictating what constitutes illegal behavior for everyone. that's why I have a problem with you....

what's a 'pholibertarian'?

*scratches head*


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2012-06-23 05:32:35 PM

Tor_Eckman:
You should help people voluntarily. Helping people by having your hard earned money stolen at gunpoint by the government is not what Jebus meant.

Because being threatened with eternal damnation isn't being forced or anything.


now that you mention it, I *have* heard that exact same phrase used again and again to defend the GOP's blatantly anti-christian messages regarding screwing over the sick and poor.

Like I said up thread, it's almost as if the GOP leadership is TRYING to make people reject Christ.
 
2012-06-23 05:33:45 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: But when you devolve into strawman and ad hominem, it means you're out of actual debate points. This means I win. So go for it. : )


Alright here goes: Your very Boobies on the subject was strawmen and ad hominem, so by your own admission you never had any actual debate points. So you "win" ... nothing.

/smug, smug, smug
 
2012-06-23 05:36:14 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Tor_Eckman: Oooh, swing and and a miss on that one, Lou. He actually dropped it after talking to this guy.

I'm not saying the political road was clear for him to move on the Public Option. However ...

"Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals said it was understood as a condition of their support that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan paying-Medicare rates...or controlled by the secretary of health and human services. 'We have an agreement with the White House that I'm very confident will be seen all the way through conference', one of the industry lobbyists, Chip Kahn, director of the Federation of American Hospitals, told a Capitol Hill newsletter...Industry lobbyists say they are not worried [about a public option.] 'We trust the White House,' Mr. Kahn said."

... he did make a deal to insure that it would never be part of the final bill. After that, the finger-pointing about who is ultimately to blame for it never getting to the floor is theater. The lobby said 'no', and the President and Congress obeyed.


He knew Lieberman would never give him the vote he had to have to pass anything with a public option. He had to make a deal with the lobbyists or there would have been no health care reform bill passed for him to sign at all. As he usually does, he did what he could to get shiat done. It may not have been exactly what he or you or I wanted, but he got it done.
 
2012-06-23 05:37:31 PM

Tor_Eckman: Weaver95: relcec:
you're a pholibertarian/progressive authoritarian who wants to his personal ideas on the limits of human morality dictating what constitutes illegal behavior for everyone. that's why I have a problem with you....

what's a 'pholibertarian'?

*scratches head*

Forget it, he's rolling.


yes, but his account was created in 2009 and yet he remembers quotes from as far back as 2004. interesting, that. I wonder what his original fark login was...? Did I discredit him before I wonder? have others destroyed his credibility in the past as well?
 
2012-06-23 05:38:23 PM

Tor_Eckman: He knew Lieberman would never give him the vote he had to have to pass anything with a public option. He had to make a deal with the lobbyists or there would have been no health care reform bill passed for him to sign at all. As he usually does, he did what he could to get shiat done. It may not have been exactly what he or you or I wanted, but he got it done.


He got done precisely what the lobby allowed him to get done and not a single thing more than that. Ultimately we're still trapped by them, and no progress can be made without their say-so. Who you wish to blame on the House or Senate floor for that seems like a secondary issue to me.
 
2012-06-23 05:38:35 PM

Weaver95: Tor_Eckman:
You should help people voluntarily. Helping people by having your hard earned money stolen at gunpoint by the government is not what Jebus meant.

Because being threatened with eternal damnation isn't being forced or anything.

now that you mention it, I *have* heard that exact same phrase used again and again to defend the GOP's blatantly anti-christian messages regarding screwing over the sick and poor.

Like I said up thread, it's almost as if the GOP leadership is TRYING to make people reject Christ.


The GOP leadership has their own Christ. It's certainly not the one I learned about during my 12 years of Catholic school, that's for sure.
 
2012-06-23 05:39:42 PM

Serious Black: relcec: MFAWG: St_Francis_P: My 85-year old father, who was a staunch Republican all his life, thought we ought to have some form of universal healthcare. I doubt the issue will quietly disappear.

This bears repeating: universal care as well as the mandate to purchase are both Republican ideas.

The fact that they now oppose it is mere partisan hackery

and they are terrible ideas that were always opposed by liberals and progressives for very good reasons.
the fact that it is supported by you is merely because you are partisan douchebag.

I think you mean the mandate is a terrible idea rather than the idea of universal health care. Or at least that's my assumption since you're one of the biggest champions of Medicare for All that I know.


yes. this is where you and I agree completely.
we need medicare for all. universal is the only answer for our problems.

it is thoroughly humanitarian and the ability to slow inflation to a reasonable level should overcome any objection to more directly paying for other peoples healthcare (which we all do in any event). without massive reform we'll all be paying for eachothers healthcare (or lack of it) anyway, and we'll all be paying much more to do it too.
 
2012-06-23 05:40:03 PM

Tor_Eckman:
The GOP leadership has their own Christ. It's certainly not the one I learned about during my 12 years of Catholic school, that's for sure.


agreed. the god the GOP worships isn't Christ. which isn't to say that the Republicans lack faith. i'm sure they are very faithful to their god(s)...they're just not worshiping the christian deity is all.
 
2012-06-23 05:41:35 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Tor_Eckman: He knew Lieberman would never give him the vote he had to have to pass anything with a public option. He had to make a deal with the lobbyists or there would have been no health care reform bill passed for him to sign at all. As he usually does, he did what he could to get shiat done. It may not have been exactly what he or you or I wanted, but he got it done.

He got done precisely what the lobby allowed him to get done and not a single thing more than that. Ultimately we're still trapped by them, and no progress can be made without their say-so. Who you wish to blame on the House or Senate floor for that seems like a secondary issue to me.


What I am saying is that the lobbyists had much more actual influence on Lieberman than they had on Obama.

It may seem like picking nits, but I believe that it's a nit worth picking.
 
2012-06-23 05:46:21 PM

Tor_Eckman: What I am saying is that the lobbyists had much more actual influence on Lieberman than they had on Obama.

It may seem like picking nits, but I believe that it's a nit worth picking.


That might be true, but the White House still literally sat down with the lobby and promised that a Public Option would never make it into the final bill. That paints a picture that's quite a bit different from "his hands were tied".
 
2012-06-23 05:49:31 PM

Weaver95: seriously - who in their right mind actually believes that the GOP is for a 'level playing field'? that's mind blowing. the Republicans are VERY obvious about their agenda and it does not benefit anyone except the top 5% of the country.


No arguments here. But neither do the Dems. Their agenda cosists of trying to control as much of every person's life as possible, except of course the right to an abortion (I'm not "pro-life"), which should be available to a ten year old without parental consent.

At some point (not in this thread) I'll post my explanation of how Democrat economic policy directly benefits the top 0.01%, at the expense of the middle and upper middle classes. But I've got to go dig it up in the archives of my desktop 'puter.
i'm willing to bet that most of us in the politics tab ain't in that elite club so why would you vote for an agenda that does not and will never benefit you? esp when most GOP voters are of the 'f*ck you I got mine' mentality.

I've known a lot of GOP voters, and no, *most* of them are not of this mentality. WTH happened to you, Weaver95? You used to be one of the most level-headed Farkers here. If BushCo made you flip like this, you need to remember that BushCo had nothing to do with actual limited government free market conservatism, any more than ObamaCo actually cared about stopping corruption and getting the bootheel of the oligarchy off the necks of the middle and upper middle classes.
logically, most GOP voters (esp the purely economic theory ones) should be voting Democrat. that's the only party that has a policy agenda that directly benefits their bottom line.

Democrat policies are unsustainable. Collectivism and command economies always fail. the European socialist countries are going to collapse when the US finally has to default on its debt and can't be the world-police any more. US taxpayers foot the bill to keep shipping lanes open for countries that in turn devalue their currancies to win the trade war with us. This allows them to spend that money on cradle to grave stuff for the inept and the unwilling alike.

It is very very sad, the staggering lack of basic understanding of ecomonic and political principles that exists in America and a lot of the rest of the world. Google "Estonia," please. I'll leave it up to you to discover this pleasant bit of news on your own.
 
2012-06-23 05:51:13 PM

Weaver95: speaking of morality - how does a good christian republican reconcile the GOP attitude of 'f*ck the poor' with Christ's message to heal the sick and help the poor?


I'm neither christian nor republican, so I couldn't begin to tell you.
 
2012-06-23 05:53:37 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: Weaver95: speaking of morality - how does a good christian republican reconcile the GOP attitude of 'f*ck the poor' with Christ's message to heal the sick and help the poor?

I'm neither christian nor republican, so I couldn't begin to tell you.


I ask everyone who defends the GOP. I keep hoping that eventually I'll get an answer.
 
2012-06-23 05:54:35 PM

Weaver95: Tor_Eckman: Weaver95: relcec:
you're a pholibertarian/progressive authoritarian who wants to his personal ideas on the limits of human morality dictating what constitutes illegal behavior for everyone. that's why I have a problem with you....

what's a 'pholibertarian'?

*scratches head*

Forget it, he's rolling.

yes, but his account was created in 2009 and yet he remembers quotes from as far back as 2004. interesting, that. I wonder what his original fark login was...? Did I discredit him before I wonder? have others destroyed his credibility in the past as well?


I've been farking since 2001 when I saw a link on another site for a photochopping contest or some such.

I added the account in 2009 specifically to argue about healthcare.
but I always remembered you and found your limited and hackneyed attempts at argumentation and your particular bastardization of conservative ideals embarrassing because you were considered a prominent conservative voice on here for a very long time.

I didn't specifically remember you called for the alteration of the constitution for our *safety*, but I knew you probably did because you are at heart an authoritarian, so I searched.
 
2012-06-23 05:54:42 PM

SouthernFriedYankee:
Democrat policies are unsustainable. Collectivism and command economies always fail. the European socialist countries are going to collapse when the US finally has to default on its debt and can't be the world-police any more. US taxpayers foot the bill to keep shipping lanes open for countries that in turn devalue their currancies to win the trade war wi ...


um...what are you talking about?
 
2012-06-23 05:55:50 PM

relcec:

I didn't specifically remember you called for the alteration of the constitution for our *safety*, but I knew you probably did because you are at heart an authoritarian, so I searched.


so you're creepy, weird AND not very good with the english language.
 
2012-06-23 05:56:04 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: SouthernFriedYankee: Aaaaand right right off the edge into ad hominem we go.

Pfffft.

Actually it started a bit earlier than that. Somewhere around:

SouthernFriedYankee: It's about leftists being in control of every aspect of every person's life, because leftists truly believe they are better than everyone else.

A hypocritical, projecting right-winger. Will wonders ever cease.


Do you understand the words you type? Ad hominem refers to personal insults instead of facts. And the fact is that leftists truly believe they're smarter, better informed, more compassionate, and therfore better at running people's lives than the people themselves are.

Do you have another explanation for why so much of leftist policy seeks to remove freedom from individuals and increase the power and reach of the government? No insults or dodging, please.
 
2012-06-23 05:57:10 PM

Weaver95: I ask everyone who defends the GOP. I keep hoping that eventually I'll get an answer.


Funny how there are so many people out there defending the GOP, who aren't GOP themselves. Just rugged, stalwart Fark IndependentsTM who are not part of any party and make their own decisions ... to vote GOP every single election.

But not GOP, no sir-ee. That would mean having to inherit all the toxic politics that go along with them. Much easier to just support them and defend them without taking ownership of the stuff you support and defend them for.
 
2012-06-23 05:57:31 PM
subby, just because you can benefit from a stupid socialist program, doesn't mean you don't have a brain and principles and can't be opposed to it.
 
2012-06-23 05:58:46 PM

Tor_Eckman: relcec: X-boxershorts: relcec: X-boxershorts: badhatharry: Granted, not taking benefits offered by the government is a difficult concept for liberals to grasp.

How so? I am not taking advantage of the food stamp program, although while unemployed I believe I could qualify for it. Yet at the same time, I believe it should also be strengthened some. $1.54 a meal is not sufficient, especially in more rural areas of the US where food costs tend to be higher.

where did you get $1.54 from?
http://www.ndhealth.gov/dhs/foodstampcalculator.asp

Take the food stamp challenge and get back to me

Link

The number I posted might be a bit off. It could be LESS per meal.


I gave you the link to the DHS calculator that tells you what a family in poverty will receive.
I don't give a f*ck if the Queen of England declares you only get $1.44 a day in food stamp allowance when I know from the DHS's mouth they pay $3-4 a day for those at the poverty line.
a family of two at the federal poverty line of $1260.83 income a month with $750 in rent and $125 in utility bills gets $241 a month, or $120.5 per person per month, or $4.01 per day, not $1 and whatever like you people always claim.

use the calculator you pos.

Wow. You've really lost it, haven't you?


You stupid fark.
 
2012-06-23 05:59:03 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: Do you understand the words you type?


I do. I understand yours, too. I call it "The Liberal's Burden".
 
2012-06-23 05:59:18 PM
If the ACA had been passed "as is", instead of the bastardized version we got, (after the Repubs got done with their "compromises"), we would have Universal Health care right now.
 
2012-06-23 05:59:40 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Weaver95: I ask everyone who defends the GOP. I keep hoping that eventually I'll get an answer.

Funny how there are so many people out there defending the GOP, who aren't GOP themselves. Just rugged, stalwart Fark IndependentsTM who are not part of any party and make their own decisions ... to vote GOP every single election.

But not GOP, no sir-ee. That would mean having to inherit all the toxic politics that go along with them. Much easier to just support them and defend them without taking ownership of the stuff you support and defend them for.


there does seem to be a lot of that going around.
 
2012-06-23 05:59:59 PM
Lorelle: The same people who don't want others to have access to affordable healthcare because it costs money have no problem with their tax dollars being wasted on unnecessary wars and corporate welfare.

I accidentally got into a political "conversation" with a coworker recently and this is, among other things, exactly his sentiment.
 
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