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2012-06-23 01:30:02 AM  

Owangotang: kdawg7736: As a PSU alum, I am glad he's guilty. This Nittany Lion mourns and prays for the victims of this sick abuse. He does not represent who Penn State is and now I hope this will help with the healing process for all victims involved.

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That lion is going to shed many, many more tears before it is all said and done, friendo. The dominoes are falling, institutionally backed child rape does not go away with the conviction of one man.


I wish I believed that. The fact is, things go away real fast when there's big money involved.
Faster still if you have a high-profile escape goat. By next week we won't be hearing a thing about this, and Sandusky's sentencing will be a brief late-summer footnote between reports of "Obama v. Romney" and "Why oil is below $80, but gas prices have dropped a nickel".

/escape goat. one of those rare instances where the reverse portmanteau makes as much sense as the actual word.
 
2012-06-23 01:33:30 AM  
So the asshole finally gets a bigger asshole, eh?


GOOD.
 
2012-06-23 01:33:58 AM  

doglover: NOBODY KNEW HE WAS RAPING KIDS.


Bull farking shiat. It's logical to draw the conclusion that at the VERY least Paterno knew. "I'm sorry that you had to see that" is damn sure not "Whoa! We need to call the cops now! Why didn't you call them yourself sooner?!?". There's no way in hell that Paterno did not know, he was god incarnate at that school.
 
2012-06-23 01:34:17 AM  
The teacher who abused me had several limbs amputated then died of diabetes. I win.

But I was only verbally abused.
 
2012-06-23 01:35:56 AM  

gunther_bumpass: high-profile escape goat.


A what!?


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2012-06-23 01:42:51 AM  

doglover: America can't have a tragedy anymore. Everything has to be someone famous' fault, even if it wasn't.



I'm not trying to blame anyone other than Sandusky for raping kids. He (and hopefully only he) was the one who did these things. He is the only one that should be labeled as a Very Bad Person and live the rest of his life in psychological torment.

However, when you have an organization that works with kids, you should know that there are certain things you do and don't do in order to prevent even an accusation from being made. In the ten years my parents spent with foster kids, my Dad was NEVER accused of any kind of impropriety, because he was never alone with any single child. There was simply never the possibility that he could be accused.

This was my biggest problem with the whole Michael Jackson deal - why in the fark didn't he have one of those security guards in the room with him? Why did he want to sleep alone with little kids? Why did he place himself in a position to allow those accusations to be made?

And this is my problem with both Sandusky's charity organization and Penn State - why did they allow Sandusky to be in a position where accusations could be made? Why didn't someone, somewhere, say, "Hey, let's not allow anyone to shower alone with little boys. And while we're at it, let's not visit little kids in their hotel rooms late at night with the door closed."

As far as the abuse that took place at his house, it's a little different because his wife was there. If I am making a decision on whether or not to allow a child to spend the night with another adult, the fact that their spouse is there makes this sort of thing very unlikely to occur - in most circumstances. This is why I think his wife was at fault, especially after that conversation the one kid got on tape. She knew this was occurring, and did nothing.
 
2012-06-23 01:42:58 AM  
Would an older guy like Sandusky be considered a "hot pocket" to the prison population? It's not like he is some 20 year old with a buff bod. He is a grandpa with an old ass and wrinkled balls.
 
2012-06-23 01:47:06 AM  

girlygirlmpls: Would an older guy like Sandusky be considered a "hot pocket" to the prison population? It's not like he is some 20 year old with a buff bod. He is a grandpa with an old ass and wrinkled balls.


That means he gets farmed out to the weaker ones who do some service for the stronger ones.
 
2012-06-23 01:49:08 AM  

Owangotang: There's no way in hell that Paterno did not know, he was god incarnate at that school.


Yes, he was. Why did we love him? His conduct. He did what he did and he did it well.

He was a football coach. He won games. Games won, he went home.

If he had been some snoop who had to follow every rumor the root after it was already investigated by police he wouldn't be much of a coach, let alone liked by anyone.

It's terrible kids got hurt, but it's Sandusky who's the monster.
 
2012-06-23 02:01:07 AM  

AnnoyingKidNextDoor: Kinda wish Paterno lived to see this. He got off too easy.


Not if he's in hell. He just got a head start on the really bad stuff.
 
2012-06-23 02:01:50 AM  
I think I'll watch HBO Oz tonight.
 
2012-06-23 02:03:59 AM  
www.pastemagazine.com
The Culprits?
 
2012-06-23 02:05:40 AM  

doglover: Owangotang: There's no way in hell that Paterno did not know, he was god incarnate at that school.

Yes, he was. Why did we love him? His conduct. He did what he did and he did it well.

He was a football coach. He won games. Games won, he went home.

If he had been some snoop who had to follow every rumor the root after it was already investigated by police he wouldn't be much of a coach, let alone liked by anyone.

It's terrible kids got hurt, but it's Sandusky who's the monster.


uc.exteenblog.com
 
2012-06-23 02:06:13 AM  

doglover: Yes, he was. Why did we love him? His conduct. He did what he did and he did it well.

He was a football coach. He won games. Games won, he went home.

If he had been some snoop who had to follow every rumor the root after it was already investigated by police he wouldn't be much of a coach, let alone liked by anyone.

It's terrible kids got hurt, but it's Sandusky who's the monster.


No. No, he didn't. He sat in the office going over game tape, and he had nonstop meetings with his assistant coaches, he went over play-by-play, he made decisions regarding each and every single person remotely connected to the football program at Penn State. He was God Incarnate as far as Penn State football was concerned. He didn't just show up on Saturday morning to stand on the sidelines and make decisions about whether or not to go for the two-point conversion.
 
2012-06-23 02:11:10 AM  
. The foreman said guilty 45 times.

He likes guilty.
 
2012-06-23 02:13:59 AM  

Zombie DJ: . The foreman said guilty 45 times.

He likes guilty.


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2012-06-23 02:15:17 AM  

ox45tallboy: doglover: Yes, he was. Why did we love him? His conduct. He did what he did and he did it well.

He was a football coach. He won games. Games won, he went home.

If he had been some snoop who had to follow every rumor the root after it was already investigated by police he wouldn't be much of a coach, let alone liked by anyone.

It's terrible kids got hurt, but it's Sandusky who's the monster.

No. No, he didn't. He sat in the office going over game tape, and he had nonstop meetings with his assistant coaches, he went over play-by-play, he made decisions regarding each and every single person remotely connected to the football program at Penn State. He was God Incarnate as far as Penn State football was concerned. He didn't just show up on Saturday morning to stand on the sidelines and make decisions about whether or not to go for the two-point conversion.


Well when you put it like that, it makes his job sound even more worthless to society.
People as much effort into being good at World of Warcraft.
 
2012-06-23 02:16:03 AM  
*put
 
2012-06-23 02:16:12 AM  
Late to the party. Did anyone make the obligatory joke involving the Football positions of 'Tight End' and 'Wide Receiver' in reference to Jerry Sandusky, a football coach, getting anally raped in prison? If not, then I'd like to make it now:

The Football positions of 'Tight End' and 'Wide Reveiver' make reference to Jerry Sandusky, a football coach, who is going to get anally raped in prison.
 
2012-06-23 02:18:11 AM  

doglover: You seem to have difficulty grasping a very simple concept: NOBODY KNEW HE WAS RAPING KIDS.


JoePa making him retire from coaching at age 55 says otherwise.
 
2012-06-23 02:22:47 AM  

bsharitt: This was the best headline?


Done in one.
 
2012-06-23 02:23:15 AM  

desertgeek: Paterno only knew of McQuery's info.


Very very doubtful.
 
2012-06-23 02:30:15 AM  

ox45tallboy: but at Penn State, he was God and it is not unfair to expect him to be omnipotent instead of just all-powerful.


I find it interesting that someone is finally breaking out the religion language. The people in this thread most blaming Paterno for and the surrounding culture for treating him like a "God" are themselves treating Paterno like a God too. Its a rare sight to see projection this thoroughly documented. If you want people to stop treating sports and sports coaches like Gods, you'll have to stop ascribing omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence to all of them yourself too. Paterno was not the unversity President, Provost, HR director, or Penn State policy maker concerning sexual harassment. All of those offices I just named are occupied by other locally powerful people with their own agendas who aren't cowed by football coaches, be they Joe Paterno or Barry Switzer. Best to remember that. There is still a lot of investigating to do and I dare say that few enough of the facts and names have come out. There will be time to assign appropriate blame to dead people. Best to stop treating them like Gods right now.
 
2012-06-23 02:33:05 AM  

9beers: Sure they did, after they realized there was money to be had.


So let me get this right. 9beers is doubling down after the conviction?

wow.
 
2012-06-23 02:39:50 AM  

Somacandra: If you want people to stop treating sports and sports coaches like Gods, you'll have to stop ascribing omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence to all of them yourself too.


Can we still use "pangropic" ?
 
2012-06-23 02:40:18 AM  
Roll Tide.
 
2012-06-23 02:45:53 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Sports coach or Catholic priest? It's getting harder to tell the difference anymore these days.


No...sports coaches get convicted. Catholic priests are above the law.

/WTF??
 
2012-06-23 02:50:04 AM  

9beers: Why do the victims have attorneys?


What the fark do you mean?

They aren't knowledgeable in the field of law, and deserve expert representation.

Asshole.
 
2012-06-23 02:53:27 AM  

tuna fingers: Is anyone surprised with this whole case?
Only recently, Pennsylvania has begun discourse regarding recognizing gay marriage... and then boom... someone goes and pushes the envelope.
It's Adam and EVE, not Adam and STEVE!


Gay ≠ Pedophile you scum-sucking mongoloid.
 
2012-06-23 02:55:03 AM  
here's his well deserved future:

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2012-06-23 02:55:06 AM  
clyph
Seriously, no one deserves to be prison raped, or murdered, or anything else. The fact that it's allowed to happen with such alarming frequency is shameful.

If we, as a country, decide that rape IS an appropriate and lawful punishment for some crimes, it should be made an official part of the sentence. Of course, there's that whole prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment, but I'm sure Scalia and Thomas could find a way to weasel their way around that if they had to.

Extra-judicial punishment and vigilante justice is wrong, m'kay?

We're the good guys. We don't do that.


Don't be such a pussy. He RAPED CHILDREN.

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Yes he deserves to die and I hope he burns in hell!
 
2012-06-23 02:56:45 AM  

Max Awesome: tuna fingers: Is anyone surprised with this whole case?
Only recently, Pennsylvania has begun discourse regarding recognizing gay marriage... and then boom... someone goes and pushes the envelope.
It's Adam and EVE, not Adam and STEVE!

Gay ≠ Pedophile you scum-sucking mongoloid.



Hm.. Sounds like someone took the batteries out of his sarcasm detector to power his gaydar unit.
 
2012-06-23 02:57:17 AM  

Max Awesome: 9beers: Why do the victims have attorneys?

What the fark do you mean?

They aren't knowledgeable in the field of law, and deserve expert representation.

Asshole.


representation?
you mean they'd have trouble filing a multimilliondollar suits themselves so they need expert representation.
if this pedo lived in a singlewide and had no affiliation with a billion dollar institution they wouldn't have representation because it would be a money sucking proposition.

/not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
2012-06-23 02:57:31 AM  

spanarkelspinner: Tickle Monster is 68 years old. Exactly how much justice was served if this guy drops dead in jail at 70?


Your lips to God's ears...
 
2012-06-23 02:57:41 AM  

Somacandra: I find it interesting that someone is finally breaking out the religion language. The people in this thread most blaming Paterno for and the surrounding culture for treating him like a "God" are themselves treating Paterno like a God too. Its a rare sight to see projection this thoroughly documented. If you want people to stop treating sports and sports coaches like Gods, you'll have to stop ascribing omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence to all of them yourself too. Paterno was not the unversity President, Provost, HR director, or Penn State policy maker concerning sexual harassment. All of those offices I just named are occupied by other locally powerful people with their own agendas who aren't cowed by football coaches, be they Joe Paterno or Barry Switzer. Best to remember that. There is still a lot of investigating to do and I dare say that few enough of the facts and names have come out. There will be time to assign appropriate blame to dead people. Best to stop treating them like Gods right now.


The reason I expect Godlike omnipotence and Godlike responsibility is because coaches in this position are given not just Godlike worship but Godlike authority as well.
 
2012-06-23 02:57:48 AM  

girlygirlmpls: Even though he is guilty, I wish they would go back and talk to that wife of his. Or maybe one of his "adopted" kids will come forward with details about what it was like in the Sandusky household. I know Jerry is a guilty perv, but I have questions.
How can a husband ( a raging pedophile) get away with this behaviour at home and his wife not know???????


Maybe Dottie was just a dingbat? She must have been to accept a sexless marriage, with the big lunkhead crashing unconscious long before her bedtime.
 
2012-06-23 02:59:04 AM  

Begoggle: Well when you put it like that, it makes his job sound even more worthless to society.
People as much effort into being good at World of Warcraft.



Please Google "highest paid employee of the United States Government" and get back to me afterwards.
 
2012-06-23 02:59:11 AM  
Dead Pool 2012 or 2013?
 
2012-06-23 03:03:10 AM  
I hope he finds, either in prison or in death, the peace he was missing in life. And hope this gives the victims some measure of relief from the scars he inflicted.
 
2012-06-23 03:06:33 AM  

doglover: You seem to have difficulty grasping a very simple concept: NOBODY KNEW HE WAS RAPING KIDS. There was no evidence and only one half-hearted allegation that was reported and investigated and found wanting.


Yeah...that is kinda the problem we have with Paterno. We believe he DID know.
 
2012-06-23 03:07:22 AM  

Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: Again, seriously. Do you want "failure to report a possible crime" to become a crime? Because that's the way this thread is trending.

Sorry, I missed "possible". Look, I don't think Paterno should have been arrested but I think he was morally and ethically deficient. I think he should have really hated himself for the last couple of decades of his life.


You're not the only one who missed the "possible", so don't sweat it.

And yes, he was certainly deficient in keeping his own house clean, as tallboy rightly pointed out. What irks me no end about most people in this debate--regardless of where it occurs--are always screaming that someone should have "done something" and yet can't come up with rational answers for what that "something" might be, except for a) keep going to the cops over something the police can't do anything about, or b) "string him up by his balls because!!!" Only tallboy came up with c) should have done what he could have done, but didn't. And THAT is morally wrong, but hardly criminally prosecutable.

And I do hope that Paterno felt considerable regret and agony for his failure to have done what tallboy said. But it's not the same thing as aiding and abetting.
 
2012-06-23 03:09:54 AM  

FraggleStickCar: I hope he finds, either in prison or in death, the peace he was missing in life. And hope this gives the victims some measure of relief from the scars he inflicted.


your eulogy sounds more appropriate for tortured soul who lived in mental anguish and who jumped off the SF bridge to quite the voices in his head, not for a guy who seemed very happy and content to f*ck little boys in the shower for 40 years and appeared convinced he wasn't doing anything wrong.
just sayin'.
 
2012-06-23 03:11:04 AM  
*Seal him inside a completely empty shipping container and set it adrift in the ocean (maybe one or two airholes, depending on how airtight it is).
*After about five hellish days, blow the locks with a small charge, opening the doors and flooding the container.

Either his dead body sinks with the container, or if he's still alive he gets to drown. In any case a broken part, thrown away like so much garbage.
 
2012-06-23 03:11:06 AM  

Virtuoso80: Late to the party. Did anyone make the obligatory joke involving the Football positions of 'Tight End' and 'Wide Receiver' in reference to Jerry Sandusky, a football coach, getting anally raped in prison? If not, then I'd like to make it now:

The Football positions of 'Tight End' and 'Wide Reveiver' make reference to Jerry Sandusky, a football coach, who is going to get anally raped in prison.


Oh, were you looking for high-brow humor? Go get raped in the ass.
 
2012-06-23 03:12:47 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: 9beers: Sure they did, after they realized there was money to be had.

So let me get this right. 9beers is doubling down after the conviction?

wow.


Heh. SHOCKED! If Zimmerman gets time I am so guessing it will be even worse. He and vegasj will be so pissed.
 
2012-06-23 03:13:13 AM  
I would hate to be inside Mr. Sandusky's soul at the moment he wakes up one morning in his jail cell, or overhears some inmates' conversation, or ponders any one of his deeds in just the right way, and realizes: "Oh, shiat, I really am one of THEM. I wasn't just looking for love and fun, I really really am one of THEM!"
 
2012-06-23 03:14:07 AM  

relcec: Max Awesome: 9beers: Why do the victims have attorneys?

What the fark do you mean?

They aren't knowledgeable in the field of law, and deserve expert representation.

Asshole.

representation?
you mean they'd have trouble filing a multimilliondollar suits themselves so they need expert representation.
if this pedo lived in a singlewide and had no affiliation with a billion dollar institution they wouldn't have representation because it would be a money sucking proposition.

/not that there is anything wrong with that.


You are a moron. I am sure that doesn't come as a surprise to you.
 
2012-06-23 03:20:11 AM  

Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: Again, seriously. Do you want "failure to report a possible crime" to become a crime? Because that's the way this thread is trending.

It is already a crime.


moodyeyeview.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-23 03:21:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: Again, seriously. Do you want "failure to report a possible crime" to become a crime? Because that's the way this thread is trending.

Sorry, I missed "possible". Look, I don't think Paterno should have been arrested but I think he was morally and ethically deficient. I think he should have really hated himself for the last couple of decades of his life.

You're not the only one who missed the "possible", so don't sweat it.

And yes, he was certainly deficient in keeping his own house clean, as tallboy rightly pointed out. What irks me no end about most people in this debate--regardless of where it occurs--are always screaming that someone should have "done something" and yet can't come up with rational answers for what that "something" might be, except for a) keep going to the cops over something the police can't do anything about, or b) "string him up by his balls because!!!" Only tallboy came up with c) should have done what he could have done, but didn't. And THAT is morally wrong, but hardly criminally prosecutable.

And I do hope that Paterno felt considerable regret and agony for his failure to have done what tallboy said. But it's not the same thing as aiding and abetting.


I agree. He should have done a hell of a lot more, though. If he would have lived longer he would have lived with his inaction longer. Now he is feeding worms.
 
2012-06-23 03:22:04 AM  

the_chief: I wonder why more child molesters don't get shotguns up their asses by grown up victims. Maybe that's just my overly simple view of the world.


I've thought about it something along those lines to the pervert priest who molested me, but it would cause too much pain to my parents and family if I did something like that. And it's not exactly in my nature to take somebody's life, no matter now much pain they've caused me.

Maybe if I was an orphan with no close family ties, and if I was as much of a monster as the creep who raped me when I was a child. Thankfully I'm not.
 
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