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2012-06-23 12:26:39 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Two16: TuteTibiImperes: AeAe: TuteTibiImperes: Owangotang: geom_00: Owangotang: Even a panel that included nine jurors with direct ties to Penn State University was able to see the monster among them and send him away, understanding the local and regional shame of the truth - that a community too reverent of football enabled, abetted and facilitated the serial rape of children.

This Penn Stater has been saying that Jerry should have been guilty since DAY ONE.

Congrats, you are just like the rest of us. The problem is not that Penn Staters think Sandusky is guilty, it is that many I've seen put it all on him. Their focus is solely on Sandusky, overlooking Spanier, Schultz, Thomas Harmon, and of course Joe Paterno.

Just wait until the stadium is named for Paterno.

Paterno did go to the police when he was told about Sandusky's actions, and the police didn't do anything about it.

Oh, well, in that case that makes his inaction after that ok then.

Paterno wasn't in a law enforcement role, and he wasn't the president of the school or even in charge of the athletics department. Anything he did after reporting what he was told would have been either vigilante justice or beyond his role and responsibilities which could have endangered his position or opened up the university to civil action from Sandusky.

There are plenty of people who could have taken action that would have ended this earlier - the victims by going to the police earlier, the police by taking the accusations of the victims who did go forward seriously, and even the university administrators who likely heard enough reports to at least revoke Sandusky's privileges to use university grounds - but Paterno did what was withing his power, he heard a report second hand, and passed the information along. No one should be asked to throw their career away based on uncorroborated accusations.

HE.

WAS.

RAPING.

CHILDREN.

Or is his career as a professional jock-sniffer that much more important than doing the right t ...

JoePa was raping children? I must have missed that newsflash. JoePa had someone report that they saw inappropriate behavior and he passed that information along to those who were in a position to do something about it. Sandusky wasn't employed by Penn State at the time, so Paterno couldn't fire him or really do anything other than make sure that the accusations were reported.

It wasn't Paterno's job to investigate Sandusky or to make sure he never used university facilities - the police and the university administrators had those responsibilities.


Little pedantic troll, you know exactly what I ment. And gosh, I'm sorry for thinking "not-my-job" isn't an excuse for child (or any) rape. This wasn't a one-off thing. It was happening for YEARS and no one, your precious JoePa included, did anything to stop this diseased farker from preying on these children.

But, oh... hey it wasn't his job. So its all cool, right?
 
2012-06-23 12:27:08 AM  

Nabb1: Sabyen91: doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.

Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?

Not if it negatively affects recruiting or tarnishes the reputation of an iconic old man, apparently.


We are!
 
2012-06-23 12:27:23 AM  

Aar1012: Owangotang: I have hope, finally, that the death penalty will be doled out to Penn State football. IF EVER there was a time for it...

I'm not trying to be an ass and I'm generally curious, but what rule in the NCAA rule book would allow the death penalty. As much as you want to say 'They harbored a convicted pedophile!', there has to be something in the books.


We'll see. You never know, it may not come from the NCAA.
 
2012-06-23 12:27:23 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Christ, subtard, I've seen no less than 15 people on my Twitter timeline make the same hackneyed joke that was made when he was first arrested.


Really; your TWITer timeline is the first time you heard this? You've got to get out more or put your T-Mobile 2G down once in a while; we were throwing this joke around 40 years ago when a football player got pinched for a DUI...

*Heavy Sigh*
 
2012-06-23 12:27:46 AM  
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So long and thanks for the bicycle, Mr. Pervymann
 
2012-06-23 12:27:47 AM  
Does this mean that if Sandusky opened a fast food joint, all the items on the kids menu would include buttered buns?
 
2012-06-23 12:28:54 AM  

Nabb1: Sabyen91: doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.

Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?

Not if it negatively affects recruiting or tarnishes the reputation of an iconic old man, apparently.


Forget the kids.. gotta protect Paterno's football legacy. that's what's important.
 
2012-06-23 12:28:55 AM  
Sandusky being convicted is not the surprise, nor does it signal the end of this. This is just the beginning. The long history of cover-up that exists at every single level of the Penn State faculty and administration will be brought to light over the coming months / years.

I didn't know about the Gricar fellow. I suspect his bizarre decision not to prosecute and his very suspicious disappearance will be the linchpin in a the bigger coverup scandal that will inevitably unravel.

From the timeline:

Ray Gricar, the former district attorney who chose not to prosecute Sandusky in 1998, disappears. The circumstances are murky: his car is found abandoned, his laptop is recovered months later in a river without a hard drive and his body is never found.
 
2012-06-23 12:29:23 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Does this mean that if Sandusky opened a fast food joint, all the items on the kids menu would include buttered buns?


Just don't open the box with the toy inside
 
2012-06-23 12:29:24 AM  

fragMasterFlash: [img706.imageshack.us image 400x302]

So long and thanks for the bicycle, Mr. Pervymann


You know, I have heard about the molesty episode of Different Strokes but I had no idea it was Arthur Carlson.
 
2012-06-23 12:29:26 AM  

Sabyen91: Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?


Within reason.

If you SEE something yourself. Never give it up. Fight till your arms and legs fall off.

If someone tells you a rumor, only bother someone if it's credible.


Bad things are happening all the time. Are you are responsible for the woman who got raped in the city you used to live in? You COULD HAVE been there still and maybe saved her? Because you moved, you didn't. Posibilities are endless. Eventually you have to say "I've done enough."
 
2012-06-23 12:30:16 AM  

doglover: Sabyen91: Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?

Within reason.

If you SEE something yourself. Never give it up. Fight till your arms and legs fall off.

If someone tells you a rumor, only bother someone if it's credible.


Bad things are happening all the time. Are you are responsible for the woman who got raped in the city you used to live in? You COULD HAVE been there still and maybe saved her? Because you moved, you didn't. Posibilities are endless. Eventually you have to say "I've done enough."


Bad things happen...Paterno lets them happen...Paterno did nothing wrong. Grrrrrrreat!
 
2012-06-23 12:30:24 AM  

AbbeySomeone: dosboot: Jerry Sandusky, a gay pedophile, will get what's coming to him in the end.

Pedophiles aren't gay. He was married and did not have consenual sex with those boys.


There are plenty of gay people who are married. There are plenty of pedophiles who target the opposite sex.

Most gay people aren't pedophiles just like most straight people aren't pedophiles. Many pedophiles seem to have a preferred gender for their victims, so it's probably fair to say someone is a 'gay pedophile' if their preference is for same-sex victims. It isn't fair to say that being gay makes one more likely to be a pedophile or otherwise criminally sexually deviant.
 
2012-06-23 12:31:12 AM  

Nabb1: Aar1012: Owangotang: I have hope, finally, that the death penalty will be doled out to Penn State football. IF EVER there was a time for it...

I'm not trying to be an ass and I'm generally curious, but what rule in the NCAA rule book would allow the death penalty. As much as you want to say 'They harbored a convicted pedophile!', there has to be something in the books.

They could, I suppose, let it fall under "failure to maintain institutional control," which really wasn't conceived for situations like this. Usually, that applies where the coaches, AD, etc. are either complicit or willfully ignorant of repeated violations (USC in the Reggie Bush case, for example). If ever there was a more egregious example of failure to maintain institutional control, this has to be it. If the feds start poking around and uncover anything remotely like an ongoing conspiracy to conceal the scandal - and they could because Penn State receives federal funds - the NCAA might have to strongly consider booting Penn State. I hope this happens. That program should be shut down. This is what happens when fervor for college football and the cult around a winning coach overtake common human decency.


Yeah, I've got to weigh "allowed a star athlete to make some extra cash on the side by signing autographs" against "allowed repeated, institutional child sex abuse" and say one is a leeeetle bit worse than the other.
 
2012-06-23 12:31:21 AM  

doglover: Sabyen91: Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?

Within reason.

If you SEE something yourself. Never give it up. Fight till your arms and legs fall off.

If someone tells you a rumor, only bother someone if it's credible.


Bad things are happening all the time. Are you are responsible for the woman who got raped in the city you used to live in? You COULD HAVE been there still and maybe saved her? Because you moved, you didn't. Posibilities are endless. Eventually you have to say "I've done enough."


I think most would agree that you've done quite enough, especially after that nonsensical contribution.
 
2012-06-23 12:31:44 AM  
I, for one, am against child rape
 
2012-06-23 12:32:08 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Does this mean that if Sandusky opened a fast food joint, all the items on the kids menu would include buttered buns?


Yeah, but eventually, Sandusky would be arrested for trying to stuff a big mac into a small fry.
 
2012-06-23 12:32:49 AM  

dosboot: Jerry Sandusky, a gay pedophile, will get what's coming to him in the end.


Obviously he should've consulted with his Catholic priest for some moral guidance about what to do in this sort of situation.
 
2012-06-23 12:33:33 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: MrHappyRotter: Does this mean that if Sandusky opened a fast food joint, all the items on the kids menu would include buttered buns?

Yeah, but eventually, Sandusky would be arrested for trying to stuff a big mac into a small fry.


Big Mac? More like a chicken nugget. BOOM!

He's about to learn how to toss a salad
 
2012-06-23 12:34:34 AM  

Sabyen91: doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.

Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?


We all have the responsibility to not rape children. We have the responsibility to try to stop violence against children that we witness if it can be done safely, and we have the responsibility to report violence against children that we have witnessed. Beyond that it becomes the responsibility of law enforcement professionals to take further action.
 
2012-06-23 12:34:35 AM  
I wonder why more child molesters don't get shotguns up their asses by grown up victims. Maybe that's just my overly simple view of the world.
 
2012-06-23 12:35:39 AM  

SilentStrider: Rot in hell you bastard.


wtf, what did I do to you??

Oh. you meant sandusky.
 
2012-06-23 12:35:40 AM  

doglover: Bad things are happening all the time. Are you are responsible for the woman who got raped in the city you used to live in? You COULD HAVE been there still and maybe saved her? Because you moved, you didn't. Posibilities are endless. Eventually you have to say "I've done enough."


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-23 12:36:48 AM  
Not to be all contrarian or defend the Tickle Monster, but...

Isn't it obvious that Sandusky's condition is a mental illness and not something he can control? Isn't it worth our time and effort as a society to research the disease and take steps to treat it or move to prevent it (think genetic engineering)?

Frothing at the mouth hoping he dies in prison doesn't solve the problem, nor is it something I necessarily think Sandusky *truly* deserves. The real criminals are the enablers and the guys who covered up his actions to protect their careers and/or fortunes.
 
2012-06-23 12:38:28 AM  

BomberPilot: Coco LaFemme: Christ, subtard, I've seen no less than 15 people on my Twitter timeline make the same hackneyed joke that was made when he was first arrested.

Really; your TWITer timeline is the first time you heard this? You've got to get out more or put your T-Mobile 2G down once in a while; we were throwing this joke around 40 years ago when a football player got pinched for a DUI...

*Heavy Sigh*


Did I say it was the first time I heard the joke? No....no I didn't.
 
2012-06-23 12:39:19 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: We all have the responsibility to not rape children. We have the responsibility to try to stop violence against children that we witness if it can be done safely, and we have the responsibility to report violence against children that we have witnessed. Beyond that it becomes the responsibility of law enforcement professionals to take further action.


Dude, this happened at Paterno's job. Where he was the boss. He was told about it. He didn't even bother asking Sandusky about it, nor did he bother notifying the cops. He allowed it to continue. I'm not saying he approved of it, but he was the boss, and it happened on his watch. And kept happening.
 
2012-06-23 12:40:12 AM  
www.brightestyoungthings.com

Lots of pretty young men in prison, Coach.

But they're mostly pitchers, not catchers.
 
2012-06-23 12:40:41 AM  

Sabyen91: doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.

Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?


Oh, calm down. Of course we do. But you realize that rape is the most OVER-reported and UNDER-reported crime going, and police have a duty to uphold the law. That includes presuming people are innocent unless proven guilty. Anyone who "knows something" has a duty to report, and police have a duty to investigate. Both of these were done, and the first time around the police decided Sandusky wasn't guilty of anything.

There is NO evidence that Paterno knew it was ongoing; and I hate to tell you, but no police agency will investigate a closed case based on someone returning and saying he knew about a past incident and why aren't they doing more about it? People keep saying Paterno "must have known," but why? People often don't know there is molestation going on in their own homes when it is their partner attacking their child. If a father can rape his daughter and the mother is unaware of it, why should a coach have any more knowledge of what his assistant coaches are doing?

Now if that sounds unreasonable, consider this: Anyone can make an allegation of "child molestation" in this day and age, regardless of how truthful or untruthful it is. And presuming people guilty of even this most heinous of crimes leads to situations like I handled today, where a mom--reasonably or not--accused a babysitter of molesting her child. When the police closed the case, mom took it on herself to notify the entire neighborhood of her suspicions. She "knew something" and advised the authorities and they determined there was no grounds to pursue the case. Ruining another person's life is easy, but reassembling it is very hard. You can't just say "BUT THE CHILDREN" based on someone's "knowing something." This person did something, and now may have tainted any future case because she contaminated the potential witnesses.

So blaming someone for not doing something MORE after the police said "We find no grounds for arrest" is calling for crazy acts like the above, at best, or vigilante justice at worst. While I appreciate the need to keep kids from getting attacked, we also need to remember the McMartin Preschool case and its progeny--lives ruined for no reason because someone "knew something."
 
2012-06-23 12:42:38 AM  
Probably already posted, but could this arsehat (Sandusky) be granted an appeal because his lawyer is a straight up tard?
 
2012-06-23 12:42:51 AM  

ox45tallboy: Nabb1: Aar1012: Owangotang: I have hope, finally, that the death penalty will be doled out to Penn State football. IF EVER there was a time for it...

I'm not trying to be an ass and I'm generally curious, but what rule in the NCAA rule book would allow the death penalty. As much as you want to say 'They harbored a convicted pedophile!', there has to be something in the books.

They could, I suppose, let it fall under "failure to maintain institutional control," which really wasn't conceived for situations like this. Usually, that applies where the coaches, AD, etc. are either complicit or willfully ignorant of repeated violations (USC in the Reggie Bush case, for example). If ever there was a more egregious example of failure to maintain institutional control, this has to be it. If the feds start poking around and uncover anything remotely like an ongoing conspiracy to conceal the scandal - and they could because Penn State receives federal funds - the NCAA might have to strongly consider booting Penn State. I hope this happens. That program should be shut down. This is what happens when fervor for college football and the cult around a winning coach overtake common human decency.

Yeah, I've got to weigh "allowed a star athlete to make some extra cash on the side by signing autographs" against "allowed repeated, institutional child sex abuse" and say one is a leeeetle bit worse than the other.


The problem is still what is in the NCAA rules. 'Failure to Maintain Institutional Control' would need a repeat violation to back it up. I doubt the NCAA has a specific rule that say 'No Molestation of Children' because, when it was written, it wouldn't seem necessary. I am betting, however, that there is a rule in place that says 'No Criminal Activities' and since Penn State didn't prevent it THEN you have Failure to Maintain Instututional Control and thus a case for the death penalty.

Again, I'm just curious on what the grounds would be. I'm not arguing for or against it.

/If Penn State did get a death penalty then could the Big Ten go back to their old logo?
 
2012-06-23 12:44:17 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Not to be all contrarian or defend the Tickle Monster, but...

Isn't it obvious that Sandusky's condition is a mental illness and not something he can control? Isn't it worth our time and effort as a society to research the disease and take steps to treat it or move to prevent it (think genetic engineering)?

Frothing at the mouth hoping he dies in prison doesn't solve the problem, nor is it something I necessarily think Sandusky *truly* deserves. The real criminals are the enablers and the guys who covered up his actions to protect their careers and/or fortunes.


You bring up a good point. I've gotten shot down and called obscene names before on Fark (yeah, I know, welcometofark.jpg) for daring to suggest that a prison sentence for a 18-year-old farking a 13-year-old maybe wasn't in everyone's best interest.

In this case, I think his wife is as much to blame as any administrator at Penn State. She knew these things were going on under her roof, and did nothing.

This begs the question, why were so many people looking out for this dude's sexual gratification, when I can never find a wingman on a Saturday?
 
2012-06-23 12:44:34 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.

Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?

Oh, calm down. Of course we do. But you realize that rape is the most OVER-reported and UNDER-reported crime going, and police have a duty to uphold the law. That includes presuming people are innocent unless proven guilty. Anyone who "knows something" has a duty to report, and police have a duty to investigate. Both of these were done, and the first time around the police decided Sandusky wasn't guilty of anything.

There is NO evidence that Paterno knew it was ongoing; and I hate to tell you, but no police agency will investigate a closed case based on someone returning and saying he knew about a past incident and why aren't they doing more about it? People keep saying Paterno "must have known," but why? People often don't know there is molestation going on in their own homes when it is their partner attacking their child. If a father can rape his daughter and the mother is unaware of it, why should a coach have any more knowledge of what his assistant coaches are doing?

Now if that sounds unreasonable, consider this: Anyone can make an allegation of "child molestation" in this day and age, regardless of how truthful or untruthful it is. And presuming people guilty of even this most heinous of crimes leads to situations like I handled today, where a mom--reasonably or not--accused a babysitter of molesting her child. When the police closed the case, mom took it on herself to notify the entire neighborhood of her suspicions. She "knew something" and advised the authorities and they determined there was no grounds to pursue the case. Ruining another person's life is easy, but reassembling it is very hard. You can't just s ...


You said progeny.

Heh.

;)
 
2012-06-23 12:44:48 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Not to be all contrarian or defend the Tickle Monster, but...

Isn't it obvious that Sandusky's condition is a mental illness and not something he can control? Isn't it worth our time and effort as a society to research the disease and take steps to treat it or move to prevent it (think genetic engineering)?

Frothing at the mouth hoping he dies in prison doesn't solve the problem, nor is it something I necessarily think Sandusky *truly* deserves. The real criminals are the enablers and the guys who covered up his actions to protect their careers and/or fortunes.


To a certain extent I agree with you. But I believe any sort of study, short of getting all Dr. Mengele on his thought-meats, is really futile in finding a "cure" for this sort of thing. You'd never get permission/clearance for that sort of experimentation.
 
2012-06-23 12:45:26 AM  
Jim Ross @JRsBBQ
It's almost a blessing that Coach JoPa has passed to not have to endure his long time assistants guilty verdict for heinous crimes.


Always knew that guy was a prick.
 
2012-06-23 12:45:40 AM  
This joke was already in the Police Squad!

Watch from 1:35
 
2012-06-23 12:45:48 AM  

Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.

Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?

Oh, calm down. Of course we do. But you realize that rape is the most OVER-reported and UNDER-reported crime going, and police have a duty to uphold the law. That includes presuming people are innocent unless proven guilty. Anyone who "knows something" has a duty to report, and police have a duty to investigate. Both of these were done, and the first time around the police decided Sandusky wasn't guilty of anything.

There is NO evidence that Paterno knew it was ongoing; and I hate to tell you, but no police agency will investigate a closed case based on someone returning and saying he knew about a past incident and why aren't they doing more about it? People keep saying Paterno "must have known," but why? People often don't know there is molestation going on in their own homes when it is their partner attacking their child. If a father can rape his daughter and the mother is unaware of it, why should a coach have any more knowledge of what his assistant coaches are doing?

Now if that sounds unreasonable, consider this: Anyone can make an allegation of "child molestation" in this day and age, regardless of how truthful or untruthful it is. And presuming people guilty of even this most heinous of crimes leads to situations like I handled today, where a mom--reasonably or not--accused a babysitter of molesting her child. When the police closed the case, mom took it on herself to notify the entire neighborhood of her suspicions. She "knew something" and advised the authorities and they determined there was no grounds to pursue the case. Ruining another person's life is easy, but reassembling it is very hard. You c ...


Have I mentioned this man should be Vladded?
 
2012-06-23 12:46:04 AM  

ox45tallboy: TuteTibiImperes: We all have the responsibility to not rape children. We have the responsibility to try to stop violence against children that we witness if it can be done safely, and we have the responsibility to report violence against children that we have witnessed. Beyond that it becomes the responsibility of law enforcement professionals to take further action.

Dude, this happened at Paterno's job. Where he was the boss. He was told about it. He didn't even bother asking Sandusky about it, nor did he bother notifying the cops. He allowed it to continue. I'm not saying he approved of it, but he was the boss, and it happened on his watch. And kept happening.


Except that when he was told Sandusky was no longer an employee at PSU, and Paterno was not the boss - there was an athletics director, trustees, and university president all above him.

At most workplaces the policy is that if you witness or hear reports of sexual harassment you report it to either the HR director or the general manager and they take the reports to the police. The big bosses and PSU and the police had heard reports of Sandusky's actions and didn't do anything, any collateral blame should fall on them. The police even heard Sandusky confess to inappropriate sexual touching four years before anyone told Paterno anything, and they did nothing.
 
2012-06-23 12:46:12 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: AbbeySomeone: dosboot: Jerry Sandusky, a gay pedophile, will get what's coming to him in the end.

Pedophiles aren't gay. He was married and did not have consenual sex with those boys.

There are plenty of gay people who are married. There are plenty of pedophiles who target the opposite sex.

Most gay people aren't pedophiles just like most straight people aren't pedophiles. Many pedophiles seem to have a preferred gender for their victims, so it's probably fair to say someone is a 'gay pedophile' if their preference is for same-sex victims. It isn't fair to say that being gay makes one more likely to be a pedophile or otherwise criminally sexually deviant.


Studies show that most molesters of boys are not homosexual.
 
2012-06-23 12:47:07 AM  

Two16: TuteTibiImperes: AeAe: TuteTibiImperes: Owangotang: geom_00: Owangotang: Even a panel that included nine jurors with direct ties to Penn State University was able to see the monster among them and send him away, understanding the local and regional shame of the truth - that a community too reverent of football enabled, abetted and facilitated the serial rape of children.

This Penn Stater has been saying that Jerry should have been guilty since DAY ONE.

Congrats, you are just like the rest of us. The problem is not that Penn Staters think Sandusky is guilty, it is that many I've seen put it all on him. Their focus is solely on Sandusky, overlooking Spanier, Schultz, Thomas Harmon, and of course Joe Paterno.

Just wait until the stadium is named for Paterno.

Paterno did go to the police when he was told about Sandusky's actions, and the police didn't do anything about it.

Oh, well, in that case that makes his inaction after that ok then.

Paterno wasn't in a law enforcement role, and he wasn't the president of the school or even in charge of the athletics department. Anything he did after reporting what he was told would have been either vigilante justice or beyond his role and responsibilities which could have endangered his position or opened up the university to civil action from Sandusky.

There are plenty of people who could have taken action that would have ended this earlier - the victims by going to the police earlier, the police by taking the accusations of the victims who did go forward seriously, and even the university administrators who likely heard enough reports to at least revoke Sandusky's privileges to use university grounds - but Paterno did what was withing his power, he heard a report second hand, and passed the information along. No one should be asked to throw their career away based on uncorroborated accusations.

HE.

WAS.

RAPING.

CHILDREN.

Or is his career as a professional jock-sniffer that much more important than doing the right t ...


www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-06-23 12:48:08 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Sabyen91: doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.

Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?

We all have the responsibility to not rape children. We have the responsibility to try to stop violence against children that we witness if it can be done safely, and we have the responsibility to report violence against children that we have witnessed. Beyond that it becomes the responsibility of law enforcement professionals to take further action.


Pass the buck, dude. Hell, he told someone...he no longer has any responsibility when nothing happens.
 
2012-06-23 12:49:06 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Oh, calm down. Of course we do. But you realize that rape is the most OVER-reported and UNDER-reported crime going, and police have a duty to uphold the law.


Hehe.
 
2012-06-23 12:49:36 AM  

Owangotang: Jim Ross @JRsBBQ
It's almost a blessing that Coach JoPa has passed to not have to endure his long time assistants guilty verdict for heinous crimes.


Always knew that guy was a prick.


Well, you have to remember, JR is a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. If Vince McMahon were caught tomorrow doing things that made Sandusky look like a Saint, JR would be out there later in the afternoon demanding that the age of consent be pushed back to 5 and insisting the boys asked for it.

Also, he's one of the people who have drank the college football Kool-Aid.
 
2012-06-23 12:50:24 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Except that when he was told Sandusky was no longer an employee at PSU, and Paterno was not the boss - there was an athletics director, trustees, and university president all above him.


And he still showed up...
 
2012-06-23 12:50:43 AM  
I like how some people seem to think if you follow all the laws you are absolved of any moral responsibility as well.
 
2012-06-23 12:51:06 AM  
As a PSU alum, I am glad he's guilty. This Nittany Lion mourns and prays for the victims of this sick abuse. He does not represent who Penn State is and now I hope this will help with the healing process for all victims involved.

www.katherinelightner.com
 
2012-06-23 12:51:35 AM  

ox45tallboy: HaywoodJablonski: Not to be all contrarian or defend the Tickle Monster, but...

Isn't it obvious that Sandusky's condition is a mental illness and not something he can control? Isn't it worth our time and effort as a society to research the disease and take steps to treat it or move to prevent it (think genetic engineering)?

Frothing at the mouth hoping he dies in prison doesn't solve the problem, nor is it something I necessarily think Sandusky *truly* deserves. The real criminals are the enablers and the guys who covered up his actions to protect their careers and/or fortunes.

You bring up a good point. I've gotten shot down and called obscene names before on Fark (yeah, I know, welcometofark.jpg) for daring to suggest that a prison sentence for a 18-year-old farking a 13-year-old maybe wasn't in everyone's best interest.

In this case, I think his wife is as much to blame as any administrator at Penn State. She knew these things were going on under her roof, and did nothing.

This begs the question, why were so many people looking out for this dude's sexual gratification, when I can never find a wingman on a Saturday?


Doesn't that mean that anyone who knew Sandusky is just as guilty as he is for knowing something was going on and doing nothing? What about the kids who told their parents and the parents didn't do anything? Or their friends? Or their friends' parents? What about McQueary's family and friends, shouldn't they also have done something? Why does this come down to Paterno should have done something even after something was done?

Also, what else does anyone think should have "been done?" They went to the cops, the cops said no grounds for arrest. If you want a closed case reopened, there has to be something NEW. Going to the police or DA and saying "About that closed case you closed, I think you should still investigate it based on that past incident," will get you nowhere. They will say they investigated that and determined it was without merit. Then they will say "If you have something NEW we will reopen the case." If you DON'T have anything new, they will send you on your way. You all may not like that a person can't be arrested for something that happened and was determined invalid by the cops; but that's the way things are in our legal system.
 
2012-06-23 12:51:50 AM  

Sabyen91: TuteTibiImperes: Sabyen91: doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.

Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?

We all have the responsibility to not rape children. We have the responsibility to try to stop violence against children that we witness if it can be done safely, and we have the responsibility to report violence against children that we have witnessed. Beyond that it becomes the responsibility of law enforcement professionals to take further action.

Pass the buck, dude. Hell, he told someone...he no longer has any responsibility when nothing happens.


Someone tells you that they witnessed a crime, and you report it. Later on you see the person who was accused still walking around free. Is the most logical reaction to assume that the accusations were without merit or that those whose profession is to investigate and prosecute crimes must be wrong and the random person who told you they saw something was right?
 
2012-06-23 12:52:05 AM  

vygramul: I like how some people seem to think if you follow all the laws you are absolved of any moral responsibility as well.


Hell, I was just following orders.

/Oh yeah, I Godwinned.
 
2012-06-23 12:52:25 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Owangotang: Jim Ross @JRsBBQ
It's almost a blessing that Coach JoPa has passed to not have to endure his long time assistants guilty verdict for heinous crimes.


Always knew that guy was a prick.

Well, you have to remember, JR is a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. If Vince McMahon were caught tomorrow doing things that made Sandusky look like a Saint, JR would be out there later in the afternoon demanding that the age of consent be pushed back to 5 and insisting the boys asked for it.

Also, he's one of the people who have drank the college football Kool-Aid.


Yea he is. If Stoops had been in Paterno's position and all this happened at OU we'd have seen JR berating the victims himself.
 
2012-06-23 12:52:35 AM  
No remorse and still doesn't believe he has done anything wrong.

Sick and sad, but mostly just sick.

I doubt he will survive long in prison.

Will prolly collapse a die from a fear induced heart attack at the first sight of other inmates who have been down for decades with nothing to do but hit the weights 6 hours per day or more.
 
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