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2012-06-23 12:31:04 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: [i49.tinypic.com image 618x415]


Ha! Originality is dead.
 
2012-06-23 01:05:38 PM  
Ok, my two cents: jerry boy gets to spend a couple of nights in GP. Under supervision. I would'nt want him hurt, just for him to get scared, like those kids he molested. Then to solitary confinement. a small poorly lit room with poor air circulation. No TV, no radio. Just Jerry and his thoughts. He does get out, but only at night. Very limited communication with anyone.


Now, my hope would be that a good attorney will handle the civil suits for a flat fee. I really can't believe his wife knew nothing. If found liable, she loses everything. She gets a one-room apartment, and social security. Out of state. The Feds come in an rake the university over the coals. If found culpable, they pay out of their endowments, starting with anything to do with the athletic department. If found culpabel, the NCAA shuts everything down. Permanetly. Hell, maybe get CDI to come in and level everything. Sell JoePa's statue for scrap.
 
2012-06-23 01:08:31 PM  
Warden: Jerry, we'd like you to play center on the prison football team.

Sandusky: OK, I guess.

Warden: There are about 117 guys trying out for quarterback. You're gonna love this.
 
2012-06-23 01:28:40 PM  
Goodbye, pervyman...
 
2012-06-23 01:28:49 PM  
So, has anyone mentioned yet that the law enforcement officer taking Sandusky away is HOT? Like super MEGA-HOT? I'd let him take me away if you know what I mean.

/and I know you do...
 
2012-06-23 01:38:46 PM  
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2012-06-23 01:47:52 PM  
Tickle time is over.....rot in hell you low-life, scumbag, piece of sh*t.
 
2012-06-23 01:54:15 PM  

Baz the Spaz: [img685.imageshack.us image 640x480]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!


what the hell is THAT magical device
airline tablet on the back of the seat in front of you?
 
2012-06-23 02:19:06 PM  
I knew nothing of Sandusky's Penn State career, but from casual observation of him during this event, I would have thought he was mentally retarded or something. He looks like he's not all there, in interviews he seemed completely oblivious to the fact that he was casually making horribly incriminating statements, and seems to have no concept that there was anything even wrong with what he was doing.

How the hell did George from Of Mice and Men end up as a coach at Penn State?
 
2012-06-23 02:33:33 PM  

Max Awesome: relcec: Max Awesome: 9beers: Why do the victims have attorneys?

What the fark do you mean?

They aren't knowledgeable in the field of law, and deserve expert representation.

Asshole.

representation?
you mean they'd have trouble filing a multimilliondollar suits themselves so they need expert representation.
if this pedo lived in a singlewide and had no affiliation with a billion dollar institution they wouldn't have representation because it would be a money sucking proposition.

/not that there is anything wrong with that.

I sued the crap out of the church that parachuted the pervert priest into my parish from across the country so that he could continue raping kids with no oversight. If Penn State turned a blind eye the same way the Anglican Church did in my case, then those victims deserve their pound of flesh and whatever dollar amount will help them overcome the disadvantages they've had to struggle with as a result of having been raped as kids.

And they don't deserve to be further denigrated by assholes who have lived charmed lives free from being raped as a child. You have no idea how it nearly completely destroys a man. It's a huge hurdle to have to overcome to just near some approximation of normality. If some monetary composition can help those poor men then nobody who has any semblance of humanity should begrudge them that small compensation.


I have no problem with suing people who f*ck over other people. I have no problem with these people suing the f*ck out of penn state.
I have no problem you suing the f*ck out of the church that employed a guy who f*cked you in the ass as a child.
I have a JD for f*cks sake.
I'm not even ambivalent about these and other meritorious lawsuits. I believe they are massively f*cking beneficial to society for Christ sake.

hence my 'not that there is anything wrong with that' comment.

you acted like them securing expert representation was necessary for their protection though. and obfuscation is one thing I don't like.

I just was making clear that this idea was bullshiat, and that retaining expert attorneys was really about getting at penn states fat pockets. not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
2012-06-23 02:39:42 PM  
msnbcmedia.msn.com

Should I not have done that?
 
2012-06-23 03:05:57 PM  

Gyrfalcon: ox45tallboy: Gyrfalcon: There is NO evidence that Paterno knew it was ongoing; and I hate to tell you, but no police agency will investigate a closed case based on someone returning and saying he knew about a past incident and why aren't they doing more about it? People keep saying Paterno "must have known," but why? People often don't know there is molestation going on in their own homes when it is their partner attacking their child. If a father can rape his daughter and the mother is unaware of it, why should a coach have any more knowledge of what his assistant coaches are doing?

I can answer this one. My parent were houseparents in a children's home, so I grew up around lots of foster brothers and sisters. Within the organization my parents worked for, there were occasional accusations of sexual impropriety - although never any leveled against my father. The first time any person in the organization had an accusation against them, they were immediately suspended with pay while an investigation took place. Assuming the investigation deemed that no improper action occurred, the person was put back into their position, with one change - they were never allowed to be alone with that child ever, ever again, under penalty of termination. Repeated accusations, even those deemed to be without merit, resulted in a change of job responsibilities in which an individual was no longer allowed to be alone with any child.

As the boss, Paterno should have at least asked a few questions, and probably said something along the lines of "Jerry, I don't think you need to be showering with the little boys here anymore." He could not have prevented the abuse which occurred outside of his domain, but at Penn State, he was God and it is not unfair to expect him to be omnipotent instead of just all-powerful.

OK, that is not unreasonable. Finally, someone provided an answer as to what Paterno could reasonably have done, and I salute you for that.


I know you'll probably never read this and it may have already been said as I've not made it through the thread yet, but I've said essentially the same thing multiple times during this whole mess. I've read the same essential thing many many times.
 
2012-06-23 03:54:12 PM  
Live to 120, Sandusky. Just you, alone with your thoughts in a little dark hole. You'll still think to the end you did nothing wrong, but it'll be hell anyways.
 
2012-06-23 03:54:24 PM  
"It's not about him, it's about you and your own soul."

THIS.

/seriously, letting go is the only way to save yourself.
//personal experience.
 
2012-06-23 03:57:32 PM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: I knew nothing of Sandusky's Penn State career, but from casual observation of him during this event, I would have thought he was mentally retarded or something. He looks like he's not all there, in interviews he seemed completely oblivious to the fact that he was casually making horribly incriminating statements, and seems to have no concept that there was anything even wrong with what he was doing.

How the hell did George from Of Mice and Men end up as a coach at Penn State?


I assumed they provided him with medication from around the time he was charged. He might have complained to a doctor about not sleeping, etc. Better get used to it, Jerry.
 
2012-06-23 04:13:09 PM  
As many people have probably said in this thread already, I don't want to see Sandusky raped. I just want to see him beaten very, very badly. Is that so much to ask for?
 
2012-06-23 04:23:07 PM  
You know who else knew and said nothing???

Ernie.

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2012-06-23 04:35:49 PM  
If I was in prison with Sandusky when all of us were at the cafeteria getting our lunch I would make sure I would walk by Sandusky when he was sitting and his back to me and I would make my elbow hit him right in the back of his head and I wouldn't say sorry I'd say in an exaggerated voice "OOOPS!"

Cuz fuk him, right?
 
2012-06-23 04:42:08 PM  
TheManofPA : Did you see the story about how the town realized they can't advertise because #Sandusky is not a good idea right now

Talk about a public relations nightmare, albeit one that is largely over:

Baltimore Sportscaster Gerry Sandusky
 
2012-06-23 04:51:28 PM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: I knew nothing of Sandusky's Penn State career, but from casual observation of him during this event, I would have thought he was mentally retarded or something. He looks like he's not all there, in interviews he seemed completely oblivious to the fact that he was casually making horribly incriminating statements, and seems to have no concept that there was anything even wrong with what he was doing.

How the hell did George from Of Mice and Men end up as a coach at Penn State?


Better question is how did everyone else at Penn State let this go for so long? I guess winning football games is more important than anything else.
 
2012-06-23 05:03:37 PM  
It's difficult to understand the defenders of Joe Paterno here.

I am confident that had Paterno been the sole witness to the incident in the shower, the world would never have known about it. He had no choice but to report it since an aide reported it to him. But his actions thereafter tell me that he had no interest in seeing the incident become public.

Why else would he fail to see it through? He cast a willfully blind eye, doing the minimum he could, glad that it blew over without involving his beloved football program. 

"Paterno, 85, told the Washington Post that the young aide who came to him in 2002 with a report that he had seen Jerry Sandusky allegedly fondling a boy in the lockerroom did not go into details.

"You know, he didn't want to get specific. And to be frank with you I don't know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man," Paterno said.

But even the few details that Paterno did hear baffled him.

"I didn't know which way to go," he said. "And rather than get in there and make a mistake ...."

At another point, Paterno said, "I didn't know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was. So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn't work out that way."

Source: ABC News

So Fark Joe Paterno.  I mean seriously. If you heard what he was told, why would you put yourself in the position of having to answer the question "whatever happened in that alleged incident you reported?" with "Uh, I dunno. I passed along the information"?   The only reason I can think of, other than sheer incompetence, is placing one's personal interests above those of the alleged victim.

So he was a great coach. Big deal.  As far as I am concerned, he failed as a human when it really counted.
 
2012-06-23 05:18:44 PM  
At least he did something about those nasty choppers. They were pretty bad for awhile until he got some new, chiklet-sized front teeth.
 
2012-06-23 05:22:11 PM  

reubendaley: It's difficult to understand the defenders of Joe Paterno here.

I am confident that had Paterno been the sole witness to the incident in the shower, the world would never have known about it. He had no choice but to report it since an aide reported it to him. But his actions thereafter tell me that he had no interest in seeing the incident become public.

Why else would he fail to see it through? He cast a willfully blind eye, doing the minimum he could, glad that it blew over without involving his beloved football program. 

"Paterno, 85, told the Washington Post that the young aide who came to him in 2002 with a report that he had seen Jerry Sandusky allegedly fondling a boy in the lockerroom did not go into details.

"You know, he didn't want to get specific. And to be frank with you I don't know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man," Paterno said.

But even the few details that Paterno did hear baffled him.

"I didn't know which way to go," he said. "And rather than get in there and make a mistake ...."

At another point, Paterno said, "I didn't know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was. So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn't work out that way."

Source: ABC News

So Fark Joe Paterno.  I mean seriously. If you heard what he was told, why would you put yourself in the position of having to answer the question "whatever happened in that alleged incident you reported?" with "Uh, I dunno. I passed along the information"?   The only reason I can think of, other than sheer incompetence, is placing one's personal interests above those of the alleged victim.

So he was a great coach. Big deal.  As far as I am concerned, he failed as a human when it really counted.


This.

Any his sycophants really need to take a good, hard look at how they would feel if this was Urban Meyer instead of JoePa.
 
2012-06-23 05:22:47 PM  

alwaysjaded: styckx: 9beers to troll the thread in 5...4....3....2.....

He was in a Commented thread already getting warmed up. Someone's gonna be eating good tonight.


futurama.yaia.com

Ha ha ha...no dog food for 9beers tonight....
 
2012-06-23 05:54:55 PM  

KwameKilstrawberry: AbbeySomeone: His enabling wife deserves to suffer as well.

I'm sure steps have already been taken to hide the pensions and 401(k)s and I'm betting none of their adopted children will be taking her in.

Spouses that turn a blind eye and blame victims of child abuse should suffer the same fate as the perp. How many children could have been spared if she had blown the whistle years ago?

IF it ends up that she is sued or brought up on charges of complicity, I guarantee her defense will be years of psychological abuse by her husband and while likely true, no excuse for allowing a rape room to exist in her farking basement for years.


My grandmother allowed my mother to be raped by her (my mother's) stepfather. We know she knew because she was in the same bed he shared with my grandmother.
My mother was somehow able to forgive her for allowing that to happen, but I never did. I truly wish I believed in Hell so I would know that right now some demon is, and will continue, shoving his red hot poker dick up her ass for eternity.
 
2012-06-23 06:15:24 PM  

downstairs: They ought to de-accredite Penn State as an institution and be done with it. Like, today.


Right. Students shouldn't be able to get jobs and have careers because of the criminal activities of an assistant athletic director.
 
2012-06-23 06:25:03 PM  

Krymson Tyde: KwameKilstrawberry: AbbeySomeone: His enabling wife deserves to suffer as well.

I'm sure steps have already been taken to hide the pensions and 401(k)s and I'm betting none of their adopted children will be taking her in.

Spouses that turn a blind eye and blame victims of child abuse should suffer the same fate as the perp. How many children could have been spared if she had blown the whistle years ago?

IF it ends up that she is sued or brought up on charges of complicity, I guarantee her defense will be years of psychological abuse by her husband and while likely true, no excuse for allowing a rape room to exist in her farking basement for years.

My grandmother allowed my mother to be raped by her (my mother's) stepfather. We know she knew because she was in the same bed he shared with my grandmother.
My mother was somehow able to forgive her for allowing that to happen, but I never did. I truly wish I believed in Hell so I would know that right now some demon is, and will continue, shoving his red hot poker dick up her ass for eternity.


If your moms over it then i fail to see why you hold such a grudge, kinda selfish imo
 
2012-06-23 07:19:30 PM  

kenshin5435: Krymson Tyde: KwameKilstrawberry: AbbeySomeone: His enabling wife deserves to suffer as well.

I'm sure steps have already been taken to hide the pensions and 401(k)s and I'm betting none of their adopted children will be taking her in.

Spouses that turn a blind eye and blame victims of child abuse should suffer the same fate as the perp. How many children could have been spared if she had blown the whistle years ago?

IF it ends up that she is sued or brought up on charges of complicity, I guarantee her defense will be years of psychological abuse by her husband and while likely true, no excuse for allowing a rape room to exist in her farking basement for years.

My grandmother allowed my mother to be raped by her (my mother's) stepfather. We know she knew because she was in the same bed he shared with my grandmother.
My mother was somehow able to forgive her for allowing that to happen, but I never did. I truly wish I believed in Hell so I would know that right now some demon is, and will continue, shoving his red hot poker dick up her ass for eternity.

If your moms over it then i fail to see why you hold such a grudge, kinda selfish imo


I could have told the story better.
My mom believes she has to forgive everyone for everything because of her religious beliefs. If it helps her find peace then I'm happy for her.
I can't imagine the hell her life has been considering all that she's been through, but I do see outward signs such as the inability to trust others, the mood swings, the waking up to nightmares and the heavy medication she has to take just be able to function daily followed by other medications at night so she can even go to sleep.
I grew up with a victim of sexual, physical, and verbal abuse as a mother so I have a slightly better perspective as to how it affects a person as well as people in the victim's life. I choose to not forgive the "mother" who was supposed to love and protect her child, but instead allowed her drunken husband to rape her on numerous occasions, beginning before she even hit double digits in age. fark that.
But yes, you are entitled to your opinion and I don't begrudge you that.
 
2012-06-23 08:52:34 PM  

mr intrepid: I really can't believe his wife knew nothing. If found liable, she loses everything. She gets a one-room apartment, and social security. Out of state.


I can imagine her in her comfortable bed upstairs.

The cries from boys in the basement... well, that was just Jer roughhousing, like Jerry used to do with their own boys.
 
2012-06-23 09:00:18 PM  
Glad he's done. But this case really told me that personality cults are scary. People are going around saying he was framed and that the stress of the accusations killed Joe Pa and that it was all a conspiracy by a rival team and yadda yadda. It really sucks to see an idol caught doing something terrible and you may deny it for awhile (Went through a similar thing with Michael Vick) but the aggressive denial is frightening.
 
2012-06-23 09:33:19 PM  

WTFDYW: AbbeySomeone: girlygirlmpls: Even though he is guilty, I wish they would go back and talk to that wife of his. Or maybe one of his "adopted" kids will come forward with details about what it was like in the Sandusky household. I know Jerry is a guilty perv, but I have questions.
How can a husband ( a raging pedophile) get away with this behaviour at home and his wife not know???????

She chose to ignore it. She is guilty as well.

She should be jailed as an accessory if it can be proven. It's a shame that it can't. A real big shame.


This is were it gets murky, Sandusky seems to be a manipulative sociopath, which is why he was able to get away with it so long.

He's one of the few "smart" pedophiles (90% of pedophiles have below 100 IQs).

If anyone watched the Anderson Cooper video with the Sandusky's creepy lawyer (knocked up a 16 year old employee) claiming that Matt "had a history of Mental Health issues" and a bunch of other excuses to undermine his testimony.

Maybe Sandusky has been using this line the whole time and is why he targeted "at risk youth".

"Oh that poor boy is mentally ill, he doesn't know what he's saying."

"Oh that poor boy is on drugs, he doesn't know what he's saying."

"Oh that poor boy has a horrible home life, he doesn't know what he's saying."

"Oh that Mom just wants to get rich suing Penn State, you don't have to do an investigation. BTW, officer since you're doing such a great job in the community here's some season tickets."
 
2012-06-23 11:54:09 PM  
Here's what should happen to that big metal statue of "Jo Pa".

Remember when they took down the giant statue of Saddam in Iraq? They attached a few ropes and pulled it down with a beat up Ford Tempo. Wonder if that car is still available....
 
2012-06-23 11:57:54 PM  

AbbeySomeone: dosboot: Jerry Sandusky, a gay pedophile, will get what's coming to him in the end.

Pedophiles aren't gay. He was married and did not have consenual sex with those boys.


Baloney. Man touches other man in sexual way = gay
 
2012-06-24 01:11:12 AM  

girlygirlmpls: Here's what should happen to that big metal statue of "Jo Pa".

Remember when they took down the giant statue of Saddam in Iraq? They attached a few ropes and pulled it down with a beat up Ford Tempo. Wonder if that car is still available....


Pull it down with a Ford Tempo?

This is America! You can't just rip the statue down with a Ford Tempo!

We have to use the Olds Delta 88 Sam Raimi puts in all his movies.
 
2012-06-24 09:49:01 AM  
I don't suppose something like this would motivate more "educational" institutions to get out of the athletic club business?

Also relevant Crack Baby Athletic Association

Because really what is worse, a few surprise buttsexes or earning millions of dollars from mostly poor "student athletes" and not sharing a dime with them?
 
2012-06-24 11:56:23 AM  

hoyt clagwell: AbbeySomeone: dosboot: Jerry Sandusky, a gay pedophile, will get what's coming to him in the end.

Pedophiles aren't gay. He was married and did not have consenual sex with those boys.

Baloney. Man touches other man in sexual way = gay


i think he means gay being happy. and since he's not happy touching children in his mind it's gay. but to some people it IS gay.
 
2012-06-24 12:14:52 PM  

ox45tallboy: doglover: Yes, he was. Why did we love him? His conduct. He did what he did and he did it well.

He was a football coach. He won games. Games won, he went home.

If he had been some snoop who had to follow every rumor the root after it was already investigated by police he wouldn't be much of a coach, let alone liked by anyone.

It's terrible kids got hurt, but it's Sandusky who's the monster.

No. No, he didn't. He sat in the office going over game tape, and he had nonstop meetings with his assistant coaches, he went over play-by-play, he made decisions regarding each and every single person remotely connected to the football program at Penn State. He was God Incarnate as far as Penn State football was concerned. He didn't just show up on Saturday morning to stand on the sidelines and make decisions about whether or not to go for the two-point conversion.


Are you really shocked? Universities have a History of covering up sex crimes least they damage the reputation of the school.

Remember that young girl who killed herself BC the university wasn't investigating her rape and let the perp walk free on campus? That happend in the past year.

Personally, schools shouldn't be allowed to do their own investigations of serious crimes and if they don't report these to the local police they should be completely liable.

Examples:
Girl raped and murdered on campus, told everyone, even the girls family that it was an accident: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003756379_murder21. html

Here's a charity dedicated to forcing campuses to report violent crimes after their daughter was murdered on campus: http://www.securityoncampus.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti cle&id=52.&Itemid=81

Hell on my old campus some weirdo was sneaking in to the girls bathroom and locker room trying to rape chicks (thankfully no one was). All they did was post some signs up warning people, didn't increase security, etc. we started carrying knives instead.
 
2012-06-24 01:35:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: JoePa was raping children? I must have missed that newsflash. JoePa had someone report that they saw inappropriate behavior and he passed that information along to those who were in a position to do something about it. Sandusky wasn't employed by Penn State at the time, so Paterno couldn't fire him or really do anything other than make sure that the accusations were reported.

It wasn't Paterno's job to investigate Sandusky or to make sure he never used university facilities - the police and the university administrators had those responsibilities.


If you're in a position of authority over other people, it is YOUR JOB to make sure that other people aren't victimizing them. You don't just whisper what you know to one other person and then hope the whole thing blows over.

Joe Paterno failed those kids. Hard. It's really sad that you choose to ignore that.
 
2012-06-24 10:21:35 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Joe Paterno failed those kids.



The kids were Sandusky's thing, in more ways than one. There was an allegation, Joe passed the secondd hand vague allegation to the university police to investigate. Then Sandusky was barred from being alone with kids on Penn State property, which was pretty much the geographical extent of Joe's power, after the police found no grounds for charges.


If you call the police, and they don't arrest the guy you called them about, what the hell would you do? Probably a damn sight less than barring said guy from doing certain things on a whole university campus. Not to mention the parents who didn't come forward until AFTER the news broke. You wanna talk about failing kids....
 
2012-06-25 12:06:17 AM  
Why couldn't the Vatican just have transferred him to another parish to avoid prosecution like they did the other ones?
 
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