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2012-06-23 12:05:50 AM  
The first thing I noticed upon clicking the link, is that the police officer bringing him in looks like John Barrowman and Salma Hayek had a love child.
 
2012-06-23 12:05:59 AM  

Gyrfalcon: HardRocker488: Here's hoping they don't isolate him from the general population.

Sorry, but they will. Less because of the rape thingy than because he's just too high-profile to place in GP. Also because of his age. He's not going to any kind of supermax PMITA prison. He'll be going someplace for geriatric prisoners.


So, let's chemically castrate him at least, no?

Grrr.

I would have his dick/head on a pike, please...

;)
 
2012-06-23 12:06:01 AM  
that would be funny if they moved some prisoners from State Penn to Penn State
 
2012-06-23 12:06:37 AM  
So has everyone finished rehashing how if only everything had been different this never would have happened?
 
2012-06-23 12:06:42 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Paterno did what was withing his power, he heard a report second hand, and passed the information along. No one should be asked to throw their career away based on uncorroborated accusations.


This.

People just like to hate on him because ZOMG! THE CHILDREN! HE IS FAMOUS! IT MUST BE HIS FAULT!

Paterno was a football coach for decades. Do you have any idea what kind of drama can go on in a locker room? He probably reported stuff routinely and had it handled by people who're supposed to handle allegations countless times.

How is a football coach supposed to know that something he never sees and only hears about once second hand and reports quickly is happening?

I was at Penn State for years. I never heard a whisper of Sandusky's name in the rumor mill. And there was QUITE a rumor mill. Dude played it close to the vest. Joe Pa wasn't the police and he reported it the one time he heard something.

Blame the officials who did the cover up, blame sandusky, but don't lump Penn State as a whole or Joe Pa into your impotent rage. You're just being a jerk at that level.
 
2012-06-23 12:07:04 AM  

AbbeySomeone: alwaysjaded: R.A.Danny: TuteTibiImperes: Paterno did go to the police when he was told about Sandusky's actions, and the police didn't do anything about it.

There are a number of powerful people, who, had they done the right thing, could have stopped this. They didn't.

Yep. I remember reading somewhere that Sandusky was just the tip of the iceberg and was part of a group that was networking kids to all sorts of people. Wish I had saved that article.

He had ties to many corrupt people. Let's not forget the Kids for cash scandal and the judges that went down for that. They knew him.


Wasn't there a reporter that was hot on the trail years ago and then he vanished without a trace? Unless I'm mistaken, the article said the guilty parties included Senators.
 
2012-06-23 12:07:46 AM  

namegoeshere: Good.

/bummed his lawyer managed to keep him off the stand


The lawyer said something about he was going to put Jerry on the stand until the prosecution indicated last week they would call Matt to the stand as a rebuttal witness if necessary.

Amendola was also lying through his teeth when he tried to say his client was innocent. You could tell. The crowd still wanted to rip him apart though. I honestly think Amendola knew his client was guilty the moment he took the case.
 
2012-06-23 12:07:55 AM  
Say "Hello" to Joe Pa for me when you get to Hell, asshole.
 
2012-06-23 12:08:11 AM  

AnnoyingKidNextDoor: mc_madness: Jerry Sandusky had an outstanding coaching career and played a central role in two championship winning teams.

You really do have to remain objective and weigh the good with the bad.

Yes, because being good at teaching people how to throw or run with a ball totally outweighs ruining the lives of young boys who were already at risk.


I keep seeing people quoting this post, me thinks an EMP blew out a bunch of sarcasm detectors.
 
2012-06-23 12:08:36 AM  

doglover: TuteTibiImperes: Paterno did what was withing his power, he heard a report second hand, and passed the information along. No one should be asked to throw their career away based on uncorroborated accusations.

This.


Holy shiat that is a load of crap. If he gave a shiat he would not have stopped telling people. I know he was a god at Penn State but get some perspective. He failed those kids.
 
2012-06-23 12:09:26 AM  

djmbbandie: I really hope he gets life and gets to bunk with an inmate named Bubba,


Smilin' Bob...
 
2012-06-23 12:09:28 AM  
I love how indignant some people are over hire a "civilized society" wouldn't want Sandusky raped in prison, yet these same people remain silent when others snicker among themselves when a cartoon bear is used to make fun of child rape.
 
2012-06-23 12:09:45 AM  
Lisa Bloom, CNN - "There are other monsters in this story...who wanted to protect a football team."

It is so goddamned heartening to know that others get it. It's easier to breathe.
 
2012-06-23 12:09:51 AM  
So has everyone finished explaining how Paterno should have shot Sandusky in the locker room when the cops decided there wasn't enough evidence to go forward with the case?
 
2012-06-23 12:10:03 AM  

Barnacles!: [i98.photobucket.com image 280x295]


I will be in my bunk.
 
2012-06-23 12:11:31 AM  

Gyrfalcon: So has everyone finished explaining how Paterno should have shot Sandusky in the locker room when the cops decided there wasn't enough evidence to go forward with the case?


There was plenty of evidence. Go to a different police force. Nope...gotta let him keep doing it.
 
2012-06-23 12:11:45 AM  

doglover: TuteTibiImperes: Paterno did what was withing his power, he heard a report second hand, and passed the information along. No one should be asked to throw their career away based on uncorroborated accusations.

This.


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2012-06-23 12:11:48 AM  
White power bill, please pick up the white courtesy phone
 
2012-06-23 12:11:50 AM  

2wolves: Rape isn't the answer to rape.


You said rape twice

3.bp.blogspot.com

KINKY !!!
 
2012-06-23 12:12:01 AM  

Gyrfalcon: So has everyone finished explaining how Paterno should have shot Sandusky in the locker room when the cops decided there wasn't enough evidence to go forward with the case?


No, we were waiting for you.
 
2012-06-23 12:12:25 AM  

Two16: TuteTibiImperes: AeAe: TuteTibiImperes: Owangotang: geom_00: Owangotang: Even a panel that included nine jurors with direct ties to Penn State University was able to see the monster among them and send him away, understanding the local and regional shame of the truth - that a community too reverent of football enabled, abetted and facilitated the serial rape of children.

This Penn Stater has been saying that Jerry should have been guilty since DAY ONE.

Congrats, you are just like the rest of us. The problem is not that Penn Staters think Sandusky is guilty, it is that many I've seen put it all on him. Their focus is solely on Sandusky, overlooking Spanier, Schultz, Thomas Harmon, and of course Joe Paterno.

Just wait until the stadium is named for Paterno.

Paterno did go to the police when he was told about Sandusky's actions, and the police didn't do anything about it.

Oh, well, in that case that makes his inaction after that ok then.

Paterno wasn't in a law enforcement role, and he wasn't the president of the school or even in charge of the athletics department. Anything he did after reporting what he was told would have been either vigilante justice or beyond his role and responsibilities which could have endangered his position or opened up the university to civil action from Sandusky.

There are plenty of people who could have taken action that would have ended this earlier - the victims by going to the police earlier, the police by taking the accusations of the victims who did go forward seriously, and even the university administrators who likely heard enough reports to at least revoke Sandusky's privileges to use university grounds - but Paterno did what was withing his power, he heard a report second hand, and passed the information along. No one should be asked to throw their career away based on uncorroborated accusations.

HE.

WAS.

RAPING.

CHILDREN.

Or is his career as a professional jock-sniffer that much more important than doing the right t ...


JoePa was raping children? I must have missed that newsflash. JoePa had someone report that they saw inappropriate behavior and he passed that information along to those who were in a position to do something about it. Sandusky wasn't employed by Penn State at the time, so Paterno couldn't fire him or really do anything other than make sure that the accusations were reported.

It wasn't Paterno's job to investigate Sandusky or to make sure he never used university facilities - the police and the university administrators had those responsibilities.
 
2012-06-23 12:12:45 AM  

Gyrfalcon: So has everyone finished rehashing how if only everything had been different this never would have happened?


*Insert 'SEC Gets Away With Everything' Rant Here*
 
2012-06-23 12:12:45 AM  
The dominoes are falling now that Sandusky is put away for good. Round up Spanier, Schultz, Paterno...oh wait he's dead, thank goodness...Thomas Harmon.

I have hope, finally, that the death penalty will be doled out to Penn State football. IF EVER there was a time for it...
 
2012-06-23 12:13:07 AM  
jokerzentertainment.com
 
2012-06-23 12:13:54 AM  

Nabb1: Say "Hello" to Joe Pa for me when you get to Hell, asshole.


I'm reminded of the retarded girl who said something like, "JoePA! They should let him keep his job!"

Or something like that. I doubt I recited it accurately.
 
2012-06-23 12:14:08 AM  

MrHappyRotter: R.A.Danny: I hope he dies with a fist in his ass.

I say this with a straight face. Okay, not really straight, pretty much 100% gay. But that's not the point, the point is one man's Hell is a gay man's wet dream. Not mine, per se, but to each his own.


I hope he dies with his heart pulled out of his ass....

/better?
 
2012-06-23 12:14:24 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: It wasn't Paterno's job to investigate Sandusky or to make sure he never used university facilities - the police and the university administrators had those responsibilities.


Oh...since it wasn't his job...WTF?
 
2012-06-23 12:15:05 AM  

nilsy07: The first thing I noticed upon clicking the link, is that the police officer bringing him in looks like John Barrowman and Salma Hayek had a love child.


upload.wikimedia.org

/surprised they convicted him. I was expecting one of the faithful to hang the jury.
 
2012-06-23 12:15:17 AM  
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Shot at 2006-03-14
 
2012-06-23 12:15:19 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Two16: TuteTibiImperes: AeAe: TuteTibiImperes: Owangotang: geom_00: Owangotang: Even a panel that included nine jurors with direct ties to Penn State University was able to see the monster among them and send him away, understanding the local and regional shame of the truth - that a community too reverent of football enabled, abetted and facilitated the serial rape of children.

This Penn Stater has been saying that Jerry should have been guilty since DAY ONE.

Congrats, you are just like the rest of us. The problem is not that Penn Staters think Sandusky is guilty, it is that many I've seen put it all on him. Their focus is solely on Sandusky, overlooking Spanier, Schultz, Thomas Harmon, and of course Joe Paterno.

Just wait until the stadium is named for Paterno.

Paterno did go to the police when he was told about Sandusky's actions, and the police didn't do anything about it.

Oh, well, in that case that makes his inaction after that ok then.

Paterno wasn't in a law enforcement role, and he wasn't the president of the school or even in charge of the athletics department. Anything he did after reporting what he was told would have been either vigilante justice or beyond his role and responsibilities which could have endangered his position or opened up the university to civil action from Sandusky.

There are plenty of people who could have taken action that would have ended this earlier - the victims by going to the police earlier, the police by taking the accusations of the victims who did go forward seriously, and even the university administrators who likely heard enough reports to at least revoke Sandusky's privileges to use university grounds - but Paterno did what was withing his power, he heard a report second hand, and passed the information along. No one should be asked to throw their career away based on uncorroborated accusations.

HE.

WAS.

RAPING.

CHILDREN.

Or is his career as a professional jock-sniffer that much more important than doing the ...


I'll bet JoePa knew what was going on and didn't care. As long as he had football and ESPN attention, and a nice home and a luxurious salary, he didn't care what was going on.
 
2012-06-23 12:15:46 AM  

alwaysjaded: AbbeySomeone: alwaysjaded: R.A.Danny: TuteTibiImperes: Paterno did go to the police when he was told about Sandusky's actions, and the police didn't do anything about it.

There are a number of powerful people, who, had they done the right thing, could have stopped this. They didn't.

Yep. I remember reading somewhere that Sandusky was just the tip of the iceberg and was part of a group that was networking kids to all sorts of people. Wish I had saved that article.

He had ties to many corrupt people. Let's not forget the Kids for cash scandal and the judges that went down for that. They knew him.

Wasn't there a reporter that was hot on the trail years ago and then he vanished without a trace? Unless I'm mistaken, the article said the guilty parties included Senators.


Yes, and since then the story has been squashed. Hmm.
 
2012-06-23 12:16:18 AM  

TsukasaK: Is this the revenge rape fetishist thread? Oh good, I haven't missed it.

/lock the guy up and throw away the key
//you people calling for him to be raped etc are terrible


Well in my defense I simply hope he's murdered. Skip the rape.
 
2012-06-23 12:16:33 AM  

TommyymmoT: I don't think he's been sentenced yet. I hear 90 days, and yeah, you're right, there is no bail in most places after you've been convicted of a "capital crime", but he wasn't convicted of a "capital crime".

Yes, he's facing life (400 something years actually), but what he actually gets, we won't know, for about 90 days.

Don't get me wrong I'm not cheering the guy on (unless he's setting himself on fire) I'm just saying that the justice system is drastically different for certain (rich, connected, or famous) people, than it is for you and me.


While i agree with Sayben91 that that probably won't be the case this time, all too often you are correct. Way too often the rich, famous, and/or connected get slaps on the wrist for crimes much worse than you or I would spend much of our lives in hard prison for.

The worst is how they're allowed to plea bargain down from major felonies that they're very obviously guilty as sin of to barely qualifying as misdemeanors, or even mere infractions.

Where do they get all these great plea bargains, anyway?

I finally figured it out (drag mouse between arrows):  At the plea market. 
 
2012-06-23 12:17:40 AM  

9beers: styckx: 9beers to troll the thread in 5...4....3....2.....

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that's the first time I've ever liked you.

Your shade of red is one paler now.
 
2012-06-23 12:18:18 AM  

Mad_Radhu:


Ha! Poor old luther
 
2012-06-23 12:19:21 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-23 12:19:31 AM  

COMALite J: While i agree with Sayben91 that that probably won't be the case this time, all too often you are correct. Way too often the rich, famous, and/or connected get slaps on the wrist for crimes much worse than you or I would spend much of our lives in hard prison for.


You have to have a white collar. They will also give you ridiculously short sentences at the tennis court.
 
2012-06-23 12:19:43 AM  
Rot in hell you bastard.
 
2012-06-23 12:20:33 AM  

geom_00: TuteTibiImperes: Paterno did go to the police when he was told about Sandusky's actions, and the police didn't do anything about it.

Thank you.

Gary Schultz WAS the CHIEF of PSU Police...which is NOT a rent a cop university police force.

doglover: I wouldn't mind beating him with a one of those poster tubes...

Thank you. I needed that laugh.


Devil's Advocate: No, he was not. He was the equivalent of a comptroller, who is the person who oversees the funding of the police. He was not a member of the police force himself. (An argument could be said that this is the same as going to the next level of authority ABOVE them, but it's stretching it a bit.)

Owangotang: geom_00: Owangotang: Even a panel that included nine jurors with direct ties to Penn State University was able to see the monster among them and send him away, understanding the local and regional shame of the truth - that a community too reverent of football enabled, abetted and facilitated the serial rape of children.

This Penn Stater has been saying that Jerry should have been guilty since DAY ONE.

Congrats, you are just like the rest of us. The problem is not that Penn Staters think Sandusky is guilty, it is that many I've seen put it all on him. Their focus is solely on Sandusky, overlooking Spanier, Schultz, Thomas Harmon, and of course Joe Paterno.

Just wait until the stadium is named for Paterno.


I've been waiting for this to hit Spanier and Schultz and such from the start. Sandusky was a done deal from day 1. The rest of them need to burn. I've been trying to mostly withhold judgement on Paterno until the details from THEIR trials come to light. I do think that it's telling that the emails which NBC obtained and discussed recently had Spanier, Schultz, and a few other folks discussing actively covering it up....and Paterno's name was nowhere to be found on it. He should have obviously resigned from his post simply to due to association (not arguing blame, but it happened under his watch so he did bear some degree of responsibility for it even if it's only 'doing what he was supposed to do, which in this case due to the actions of others was not enough'), but I can't help but hope that the results from the other trials will show what those emails imply - that the people he went to with what he knew actively kept the truth from him because they knew he wouldn't be party to something like what they were pulling.
 
2012-06-23 12:20:35 AM  

Owangotang: I have hope, finally, that the death penalty will be doled out to Penn State football. IF EVER there was a time for it...


I'm not trying to be an ass and I'm generally curious, but what rule in the NCAA rule book would allow the death penalty. As much as you want to say 'They harbored a convicted pedophile!', there has to be something in the books.
 
2012-06-23 12:21:22 AM  

Sabyen91: He failed those kids.


What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.


If I say "Sabyen91 sells white babies to Mexico." to Drew, he tells the police, and the police find out that of course Sabyen91 is actually a really great person who doesn't do anything illegal, because you are, then I never say anything to Drew again, it really Drew's job to climb to the top of Mr Derp and wave his flag forever until you're arrested? Is it even moral to do so? NO!

Your hindsight is out of temporal whack. Just because someone is a criminal doesn't mean there's any reason to suspect them before they're discovered. As such, when the police say "It's not a crime." it's not a crime.

Second hand allegations are often false. You're not supposed to stick to them forever. If the investigation turns up zilch, it's the investigators' problem, not the person who sparked the investigation's problem.
 
2012-06-23 12:21:56 AM  
Jerry Sandusky, a gay pedophile, will get what's coming to him in the end.
 
2012-06-23 12:22:19 AM  

Sabyen91: doglover: TuteTibiImperes: Paterno did what was withing his power, he heard a report second hand, and passed the information along. No one should be asked to throw their career away based on uncorroborated accusations.

This.

Holy shiat that is a load of crap. If he gave a shiat he would not have stopped telling people.


Our justice system is still based on the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Paterno didn't witness anything, he heard a report from someone. Going around telling everyone Sandusky was a molester would have been slander.

If a co-worker comes to me and tells me that they saw another employee smoking crack behind the building it's my duty to tell my superiors or perhaps the police about it. If I hide in the bushes spying on what's going on behind the building or start telling everyone that the suspected co-worker is a crack-head then I'm breaking the law. Joe did what the law required and what the law allowed.
 
2012-06-23 12:23:32 AM  
if its good enough for Superman, its good enough for Asst. Penn State Football Coaches.....

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2012-06-23 12:24:29 AM  

doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.


Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?
 
2012-06-23 12:24:53 AM  

Aar1012: Owangotang: I have hope, finally, that the death penalty will be doled out to Penn State football. IF EVER there was a time for it...

I'm not trying to be an ass and I'm generally curious, but what rule in the NCAA rule book would allow the death penalty. As much as you want to say 'They harbored a convicted pedophile!', there has to be something in the books.


They could, I suppose, let it fall under "failure to maintain institutional control," which really wasn't conceived for situations like this. Usually, that applies where the coaches, AD, etc. are either complicit or willfully ignorant of repeated violations (USC in the Reggie Bush case, for example). If ever there was a more egregious example of failure to maintain institutional control, this has to be it. If the feds start poking around and uncover anything remotely like an ongoing conspiracy to conceal the scandal - and they could because Penn State receives federal funds - the NCAA might have to strongly consider booting Penn State. I hope this happens. That program should be shut down. This is what happens when fervor for college football and the cult around a winning coach overtake common human decency.
 
2012-06-23 12:25:21 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Our justice system is still based on the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Paterno didn't witness anything, he heard a report from someone. Going around telling everyone Sandusky was a molester would have been slander.


No, it wouldn't have been slander on Joe's part if he believed what people were telling him.
 
2012-06-23 12:26:07 AM  

dosboot: Jerry Sandusky, a gay pedophile, will get what's coming to him in the end.


Pedophiles aren't gay. He was married and did not have consenual sex with those boys.
 
2012-06-23 12:26:19 AM  
2wolves

Rape isn't the answer to rape.

I want him to say those very words when they release him into general population.
 
2012-06-23 12:26:23 AM  

Sabyen91: doglover: What kids?


He was a COLLEGE football coach. He was responsible for a bunch of college football things. One staff member made an accusation about another in vague terms and he reported it to the police who did nothing.

Holy crap...you carry the water. Don't we ALL have a responsibility to make sure children don't get raped?


Not if it negatively affects recruiting or tarnishes the reputation of an iconic old man, apparently.
 
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