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(BusinessWeek)   Olive Garden and Red Lobster struggle to revive sales, as American appetite for authentic Italian foods and high-class seafood cuisine dwindles   (businessweek.com) divider line 416
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2012-06-22 05:36:06 PM
 
2012-06-22 06:09:09 PM

meat0918: Could it be that Americans got pissy at their CEO and didn't want to go to a place that doesn't want to give sick employees time off or give them lunch breaks?



I would like to imagine that Americans suddenly got enlightened, but I don't see it.

Most retail companies do the same type of crap. Sure, maybe on paper they give employees breaks and sick time, but in practice it doesn't happen.
 
2012-06-22 06:26:29 PM
Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.
 
2012-06-22 06:29:17 PM
Now that's a headline!
 
2012-06-22 06:30:44 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.


Se gusta skrimps.
 
2012-06-22 06:30:49 PM
Great restaurants for those really special occasions when even someplace as fancy as Applebee's or Chili's won't do.
 
2012-06-22 06:31:02 PM

9beers: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

That's not racism, it's a fact. The last time I was in a Red Lobster, it was about 75% black and that's in an area where blacks make up 10% of the population at most. Brothers will drive their asses off for some bad seafood.


It depends on how it was said. My guess is his dad said it in the same manner my dad would say it and it very much was racist.
 
Rat
2012-06-22 06:31:21 PM
/inside voice

I love biscuits and crab alfredo

/inside voice

© don't tell no one I'm honkyish
 
2012-06-22 06:31:47 PM
I like Olive Garden because ordering is so easy. Everything tastes exactly the same.
 
2012-06-22 06:32:03 PM
I dunno if Red Lobster changed, or my tastes did, but that shiat is terrible. So damn salty that you can't even taste what you're eating, it's disgusting.
 
2012-06-22 06:32:33 PM
Olive Garden I can stomach.

Red Lobster?

strongdogz.com
 
2012-06-22 06:33:08 PM
all you can eat shrimp at red lobster or get the fark out
 
2012-06-22 06:33:44 PM
On the other hand the same business group operates PF Chang's which has some decent food by comparison. All the little old ladies in this town just go on and on about how we need an Olive Garden. My wife is from a very Italian family (grandfather off the boat), and it just drives her crazy.
 
2012-06-22 06:34:32 PM
I'll agree with the red lobster thing, I like the bread and that's about it.

Olive garden, while not being 'good' italian food, is a passable enough go at it that it's fine. All one really ever wants from faux italian is too much bread/starch/pasta, and passable sauce. I choose better when I can, but if you just want to 'go get something', it's fine. Like Mcdonalds isn't super cuisine, but it's a passable interpretation of a burger.
 
2012-06-22 06:34:43 PM
Yay, food snob thread!
 
2012-06-22 06:34:43 PM
Olive Garden = Salt flavored heated frozen pasta
Red Lobster = Salt flavored frozen seafood
 
2012-06-22 06:34:59 PM
Been to OG twice. Dragged there once by an ex, met a blind date the 2nd time. Never again. RL? Not so bad. Always enjoyed it. Wish they were still here (Bangor ME)
 
2012-06-22 06:35:33 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.


rlv.zcache.com
 
2012-06-22 06:35:39 PM

9beers: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

That's not racism, it's a fact. The last time I was in a Red Lobster, it was about 75% black and that's in an area where blacks make up 10% of the population at most. Brothers will drive their asses off for some bad seafood.


Endless Skrimps, motherf*cker
 
2012-06-22 06:36:52 PM
Red Lobster is the only restaurant I've ever walked out of and that was from the appetizer making me sick.
 
2012-06-22 06:37:57 PM

kroonermanblack: I'll agree with the red lobster thing, I like the bread and that's about it.

Olive garden, while not being 'good' italian food, is a passable enough go at it that it's fine. All one really ever wants from faux italian is too much bread/starch/pasta, and passable sauce. I choose better when I can, but if you just want to 'go get something', it's fine. Like Mcdonalds isn't super cuisine, but it's a passable interpretation of a burger.


The thing is though, it's not even cheap. I guess if you just totally don't know an area, and can't be bothered to use urbanspoon or google local or something, that'd be the only reason I can see to go to those places.
 
2012-06-22 06:38:26 PM

iaazathot: On the other hand the same business group operates PF Chang's which has some decent food by comparison.


One of the worst meals I ever had was at a PF Chang's. It was disgusting.
 
2012-06-22 06:38:36 PM
I'll never understand it... Someone asks where to get good Italian food in town, I start listing off a dozen good locally-owned places, and they interrupt me to ask if there's an Olive Garden in town.

/I thought you wanted ITALIAN food.
 
2012-06-22 06:39:05 PM
No excuse for eating at either of those places after high school... If you eat there you are bad and you should feel bad.. If you live somewhere where those are your choices, you need to move.
 
2012-06-22 06:39:05 PM
I don't get the Red Lobster hate: took the mrs. there last month on a date, the wood-fire-grilled salmon was teh sex. Really, very good, and yet still reasonably priced.
 
2012-06-22 06:39:19 PM
Olive Garden, Red Lobster strain for turnaround?
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Well, here's a colander to help 'em with their straining.
 
2012-06-22 06:39:39 PM
They recently opened an Olive Garden and Red Lobster directly next to each other in our redone shopping mall. The old people here love it. No one seems to know that they are owned by the same company.

Then again, no one seems to know the Trader Joe's is German.
 
2012-06-22 06:39:43 PM

Rufus Lee King: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

Wow, didn't take long to insert "racism" into it, eh?


and another dummy who doesn't know how an implication works and how easily it is to read between the lines when talking to someone you know like a family member or close friend.

If a farker said it to another farker in text and you assume racism that is bad.

When someone you intimately know gives you some variation of the old "those people" line in real life it is easy to tell if they are being racist or not.

You are either trolling, dense or a racist.
 
2012-06-22 06:40:02 PM
Once my in-laws were visiting some town and the hotel concierge asked them if they needed dinner recommendations. They said they wanted Italian so he called a cab to take them to Romanos, purportedly the town's best. Turned out to be Romano's Macaroni Grill
 
2012-06-22 06:41:19 PM
PF Chang's is the worst mass-market chinese food I've ever been in. It's vile. The food is way over salted and even if they claim no MSG, I leave there with that MSG shake and the tightening of the throat.

Just vile and way too expensive for chinese.
 
2012-06-22 06:41:37 PM
Or; maybe everyone is tired of all the damn carbs.

/ except the bread sticks; I swear they dip the bread sticks in heroin
 
2012-06-22 06:43:06 PM

Jgok: I'll never understand it... Someone asks where to get good Italian food in town, I start listing off a dozen good locally-owned places, and they interrupt me to ask if there's an Olive Garden in town.

/I thought you wanted ITALIAN food.


EXACTLY.. And if you live within a few hours of a coastline there is NO EXCUSE to eat at Red Lobster.. Hell even in Philly you can eat seafood that is still kicking pulled out of the ocean the day before or that very morning..
 
2012-06-22 06:43:39 PM

meat0918: Could it be that Americans got pissy at their CEO and didn't want to go to a place that doesn't want to give sick employees time off or give them lunch breaks?

Regulatory mandates flowing from federal health care reform may be the most visible, but the list also includes measures such as new mandatory paid leave provisions that require us to change the way we accommodate employees who need to take time off when they are ill and ever more unrealistic requirements regarding employee meal and rest breaks that, in California for example, force our employees to take breaks in the middle of serving lunch or dinner


yeah...that's it I'm sure moron. Most have never read or heard this crap....or even cared.
 
2012-06-22 06:44:08 PM
Everything I've had at Red Lobster has been delicious.

Respect my opinion!
 
2012-06-22 06:44:26 PM
A) I love this headline.

B) The last time I was in a Red Lobster was 9/11 and I hold them directly responsible.
 
2012-06-22 06:45:12 PM
Lobster Garden? Best of both worlds?
 
2012-06-22 06:45:18 PM
must include this

NSFW language

Link
 
2012-06-22 06:46:12 PM
Our Olive Garden is always packed; it's like the fancy restaurant for the ghetto and the "eh, it's slightly more Italian than the little bitty place you can't get into anyway" for the rest of us.

As for Red Lobster...why they thought a Red Lobster would do good in the South Coast of Massachusetts is beyond me.

\but apparently the one next to Downtown Disney is good because it's their show restaurant :P
 
2012-06-22 06:47:12 PM
OG and RL both have decent dinner rolls/bread sticks.

The last time I ate at RL it was next to the hotel I was staying at. I got shrimp pasta alfredo (pretty hard to screw up). It was served with the cheese on the top molten and the cheese in the middle raw.
 
2012-06-22 06:47:13 PM
My GF loves olive garden for the breadsticks and italian dressing. She drags me there a few times a year to get her fix, even though there is a much better and cheaper locally owned italian restaurant about a mile from our house.

Getting old time, the attempt at making it "when you're here you're family", needs to stop. They need some better dividers or sound dampeners, even half empty, I can barely hear myself speak. That, and when was the last time you paid your family to cook for you?
 
2012-06-22 06:48:13 PM
Olive Garden is the worst crap on the face of the planet.
 
2012-06-22 06:48:19 PM
I currently live in "fly over" country and there are plenty of decent local Italian places. Italian is hardly exotic food. Are there really places in this country so devoid of local restaurants that they need to do Olive Garden?


Doc Daneeka

iaazathot: On the other hand the same business group operates PF Chang's which has some decent food by comparison.

One of the worst meals I ever had was at a PF Chang's. It was disgusting.


I had PF Changs when it was still relatively unknown outside a few branches. Their duck was pretty good. Once they became more or less national, they must have seriously slipped on standards. And imho, it now sucks. I wouldn't eat there.
 
2012-06-22 06:49:02 PM

Jgok: I'll never understand it... Someone asks where to get good Italian food in town, I start listing off a dozen good locally-owned places, and they interrupt me to ask if there's an Olive Garden in town.

/I thought you wanted ITALIAN food.


Same thing for me. Went over to some yokel backlot town. Asked where's a nice restaurant. "You mean like a Denny's?" I replied, "No, something better than that." "Well, there's Red Lobster, but I can't recall where it is..."
 
2012-06-22 06:49:18 PM

John Buck 41: Been to OG twice. Dragged there once by an ex, met a blind date the 2nd time. Never again. RL? Not so bad. Always enjoyed it. Wish they were still here (Bangor ME)


Wait, the Bangor OG closed? Where will the kids go on prom night if they can't afford the gas to get to Dysart's?
 
2012-06-22 06:49:30 PM

Evenbiggerknickers: must include this

NSFW language

Link


fark that, easy. The girl. Now, if we're talking Cheddar Bay Biscuits (which I can only assume are made in Cheddar Bay, ME) then the choice becomes more difficult.
 
2012-06-22 06:50:19 PM

iaazathot: On the other hand the same business group operates PF Chang's which has some decent food by comparison.


PF Changs is owned by PF Changs. Darden does not own or run it. Darden is basically Red Lobster and Olive garden with some other minor chains or specialty restaurants.
 
2012-06-22 06:51:14 PM

Abner Doon: I dunno if Red Lobster changed, or my tastes did, but that shiat is terrible. So damn salty that you can't even taste what you're eating, it's disgusting.


My BP goes up 20 points just driving past one!

Part of the appeal of RL must be the mystery dishes. Reading their menu is like being on an expedition with Darwin. Do they just make up this shiat? I guess "immature, tasteless crustaceon" is not as sexy as "Zimbabwe Lobster"
 
2012-06-22 06:51:24 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Evenbiggerknickers: must include this

NSFW language

Link

fark that, easy. The girl. Now, if we're talking Cheddar Bay Biscuits (which I can only assume are made in Cheddar Bay, ME) then the choice becomes more difficult.


I had a roommate for a long time that was a manager at a red lobster, he would come home every night with several bags of those biscuits. Too much of a good thing, I may never be able to eat them again without getting ill.
 
2012-06-22 06:52:31 PM
Any Farkers ever heading to New Orleans need to check this site out for the best local eats: http://www.nomenu.com
 
2012-06-22 06:52:40 PM
Why can't you people eat real food? Personally, I can't wait to go to Manhattan and eat at the TGI Fridays in Times Square..
 
2012-06-22 06:52:49 PM
Last time I went to Red Lobster our waiter smelled like he'd just gotten done chain smoking for an hour back by the dumpsters and wouldn't stop this annoying humming/singing thing he was doing while we were trying to place our order. He was an African American gentleman, and wouldn't stop carrying on with the African American customers in his area. Had very little time for us. When my scallop appetizer thing came, it tasted like his hands probably smelled. Couldn't finish my meal.

Won't be a next time, but if there is I'm just going to continually ask for more cheesy biscuits and water.
 
2012-06-22 06:53:07 PM
Olive Garden sucks. I hate going there. I'd rather eat at Jack in the Box or McDonalds.
 
2012-06-22 06:53:09 PM

TheGreatGazoo: OG and RL both have decent dinner rolls/bread sticks.

The last time I ate at RL it was next to the hotel I was staying at. I got shrimp pasta alfredo (pretty hard to screw up). It was served with the cheese on the top molten and the cheese in the middle raw.


Which means it wasn't microwaved. Otherwise, the cheese in the middle would be melted and the cheese on top would not.
 
2012-06-22 06:53:10 PM
Sad tag, subby? Really? What, is the Spiffy tag on vacation?
 
2012-06-22 06:53:46 PM
Ray Liotta described what Olive Garden makes in Goodfellas

"I asked for spaghetti with marinara and I got egg noodles and ketchup"
 
2012-06-22 06:53:50 PM

dericwater: PF Chang's is the worst mass-market chinese food I've ever been in.


You've been in Chineese food? I thought they used cats and dogs?
 
2012-06-22 06:54:44 PM
This past Easter I took my mother and daughter to Red Lobster after church service because my mother really wanted to go and since she's 63 with MS she tends to get her way. Even she had to admit that it was a god-awful meal, especially considering what we paid and I know that I will never eat there again. Mind you I have fairly mid-western plebian tastes when it comes to food so I am not hard to please, however deep fried everything with a side of icky tartar sauce was not worth the price tag. AT least Mom got to share some of her memories about eating there back in the 70's and 80's, which was a nice part of the day for her, but I don't think she'll ask to go back.

Plus, since we were in our Easter Sunday clothes and no one dresses up to go out anymore, (why do American white people dress casually for everything?!) we were emphatically overdressed. Only one other elderly couple was there dressed up. They, too, had just come from church and one look around was nearly enough to send them back out the door only the wife insisted on staying.

Overpriced, lousy food and no ambiance is not a way to attract customers.
 
2012-06-22 06:55:21 PM
meat0918

Could it be that Americans

...don't think the economy is doing as great as this idiot does.
cdn.breitbart.com
 
2012-06-22 06:56:20 PM

Great Janitor: Olive Garden sucks. I hate going there. I'd rather eat at Jack in the Box or McDonalds.


I would so totally agree with you...if it weren't for "other locations".

I have found great experiences with both places....and bad for both too.

Remember you friggin "critics"....the location makes the place.....
 
2012-06-22 06:56:37 PM
Whenever I don't like someone I give them a gift card for Red Lobster.
 
2012-06-22 06:57:06 PM

Gestankfaust: Great Janitor: Olive Garden sucks. I hate going there. I'd rather eat at Jack in the Box or McDonalds.

I would so totally agree with you...if it weren't for "other locations".

I have found great experiences with both places....and bad for both too.

Remember you friggin "critics"....the location makes the place.....


Yer an idiot...just for showing a pic of the asshat in charge...dickwad
 
2012-06-22 06:57:56 PM
Yea, grew up in Boston and married an Italian... Never been to either place, and don't feel the need to...
 
2012-06-22 06:58:08 PM
I think the reason old people like OG is because you can gum the pasta. Seriously, I don't think the people who run that restaurant have ever heard of al-dente.
 
2012-06-22 06:58:58 PM
When I was a kid, my father would drive down to the Jersey shore and buy fish dockside from the boat operators. It would go into an ice filled cooler for the trip back home. The fish were usually still moving when we go home. It would be on the dinner table that evening. I've also tasted fish dishes made from processed frozen fish......no thanks.

/Couldn't pay me eat at Red Lobster.
 
2012-06-22 06:59:01 PM

Hermione_Granger: Plus, since we were in our Easter Sunday clothes and no one dresses up to go out anymore, (why do American white people dress casually for everything?!) we were emphatically overdressed.


European white people don't put on their suits to go to McDonalds either...
 
2012-06-22 06:59:02 PM

9beers: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

That's not racism, it's a fact. The last time I was in a Red Lobster, it was about 75% black and that's in an area where blacks make up 10% of the population at most. Brothers will drive their asses off for some bad seafood.


A few of us went to Joe's Crab Shack a couple of weeks ago for a friends birthday. Our group was 50/50 black and white but everyone else in the place was black in a predominantly white and Hispanic part of town. I am not exaggerating, even the black people at our table were aware of it and were giving us a hard time about being the only white people. So I said "At least our waitress will get a tip."

/csb
 
2012-06-22 06:59:18 PM

dericwater: PF Chang's is the worst mass-market chinese food I've ever been in. It's vile. The food is way over salted and even if they claim no MSG, I leave there with that MSG shake and the tightening of the throat.

Just vile and way too expensive for chinese.


Meh, I like PF Changs. I agree on overpriced though. I end up going maybe once every 2 years because the wait is ridiculous and I don't like the prices. A lot of the dishes are very sweet and probably horribly bastardized, but I'm not to ashamed to admit that kind of food turns me on.
 
2012-06-22 07:01:10 PM
Oh, and as for Olive Garden, I've only ever been for baby showers and the yearly Never Ending Pasta Bowl that my now ex insisted on participating in.

Partly why he's my ex.
 
2012-06-22 07:01:10 PM

OnlyM3: meat0918

Could it be that Americans
...don't think the economy is doing as great as this idiot does.
[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]


Now for the real reply I made (thanks to fark for combining them instead....how weird)


Yer an idiot...just for showing a pic of the asshat in charge...dickwad
 
2012-06-22 07:01:12 PM
Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.
When you know where all the independent restaurants or hole-in-the-wall joints are in town, the chains just don't cut it.
Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB. Same goes for Italian-- why spend a fortune eating at Carrabba's when V's or Garozzo's has much better food? It might sound snobby, and that's okay, but there's no way anyone can say with a straight face that the food is better at those chain restaurants.
 
2012-06-22 07:02:22 PM
Didnt read the article, cant believe it. Whenever i drive past the olive garden here between 4 & 8 pm, even on most weeknights they are lined up out the farking door.
and it truly is terrible italian food, i just get the chicken tender app there, and eat that, the salad, and the breadsticks

/totally worth going there just for the breadsticks tho
 
2012-06-22 07:03:13 PM

dericwater: TheGreatGazoo: OG and RL both have decent dinner rolls/bread sticks.

The last time I ate at RL it was next to the hotel I was staying at. I got shrimp pasta alfredo (pretty hard to screw up). It was served with the cheese on the top molten and the cheese in the middle raw.

Which means it wasn't microwaved. Otherwise, the cheese in the middle would be melted and the cheese on top would not.


I see people make this assertion, and yet no microwave oven I've ever used has actually worked like this. I have yet to encounter one that cooks from the inside out. If you have a make and model you can recommend, that'd be awesome. I'd love to give it a spin.
 
2012-06-22 07:03:27 PM
My father once went to a trade show where the organizers were replaced the next year for several reasons.

The next year's announcement started off "First of all this year we will be going to a city where 'Red Lobster' is not the best establishment in town."
 
2012-06-22 07:04:15 PM
Red Lobster == DISGUSTING
Olive Garden == Italian-esque, better than nothing
 
2012-06-22 07:04:23 PM

Rufus Lee King: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

Wow, didn't take long to insert "racism" into it, eh?


This is FARK. Racism usually shows up in the FP. I despise a lot of these little old white boys but I stay around if for no other reason than to remind them that they're mostly assholes despite mostly having good taste in beer.

I hold onto a sliver of hope that people who like beer as much as your average FARKer can't be all bad. But god they are some racist farks aren't they?
 
2012-06-22 07:04:54 PM

kroonermanblack: I'll agree with the red lobster thing, I like the bread and that's about it.

Olive garden, while not being 'good' italian food, is a passable enough go at it that it's fine. All one really ever wants from faux italian is too much bread/starch/pasta, and passable sauce. I choose better when I can, but if you just want to 'go get something', it's fine. Like Mcdonalds isn't super cuisine, but it's a passable interpretation of a burger.


You seem very reasonable and moderate in your opinions. Normally this is a great thing and I tend to agree with people like you.

However, in this particular case, these gentleman are correct:



styckx: Olive Garden = Salt flavored heated frozen pasta
Red Lobster = Salt flavored frozen seafood


Great Janitor: Olive Garden sucks. I hate going there. I'd rather eat at Jack in the Box or McDonalds.

 
2012-06-22 07:05:34 PM

KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.
When you know where all the independent restaurants or hole-in-the-wall joints are in town, the chains just don't cut it.
Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB. Same goes for Italian-- why spend a fortune eating at Carrabba's when V's or Garozzo's has much better food? It might sound snobby, and that's okay, but there's no way anyone can say with a straight face that the food is better at those chain restaurants.


Im not even sure if it was a national chain, but if it was add Cooker's to that list.
 
2012-06-22 07:05:39 PM

Rat: /inside voice

I love biscuits and crab alfredo

/inside voice

© don't tell no one I'm honkyish


does the crab alfredo give you the worst shiats ever the next day, too??
 
2012-06-22 07:05:43 PM
Cheddar Bay Biscuits melt in your mouth, not in your pants.
 
2012-06-22 07:05:56 PM
I still like the unlimited shrip and cheddar biscuits at RL. However, you have to convince them to put the next order in while you're eating this one. Takes 20 minutes to cook. 4 shrimp and then wait 20 minutes ain't my idea of a great time.
 
2012-06-22 07:06:18 PM
So.... they're only making $4.00 per share instead of $4.06 per share. Alert the authorities. We must to something about this. Actually RTFA. Sad tag accurate. Hoping for real doom and gloom.
 
2012-06-22 07:06:38 PM

Shenanigans!: I see people make this assertion, and yet no microwave oven I've ever used has actually worked like this.


Its just a false assumption because of the way certain foods can cook:

From wiki:

A common misconception is that microwave ovens cook food "from the inside out", meaning from the center of the entire mass of food outwards. This idea arises from heating behavior seen if an absorbent layer of water lies beneath a less absorbent dryer layer at the surface of a food; in this case, the deposition of heat inside a food can exceed that on its surface. In most cases, however, with uniformally-structured or reasonably homogenous food item, microwaves are absorbed in the outer layers of the item in a manner somewhat similar to heat from other methods. Depending on water content, the depth of initial heat deposition may be several centimetres or more with microwave ovens, in contrast to broiling/grilling (infrared) or convection heating-methods which deposit heat thinly at the food surface. Penetration depth of microwaves is dependent on food composition and the frequency, with lower microwave frequencies (longer wavelengths) penetrating further.
 
2012-06-22 07:07:17 PM
I'll go to Olive Garden when on road trips, and get their soup and salad combo.
The 'try local places' is a myth when you randomly pick one while traveling as 95precent of them really suck. But then again 100 percent of Applebees really suck.
 
2012-06-22 07:07:23 PM
If these are not good concepts for a casual dining restaurant chain that'll last 30 or 40 years, then what is?
 
2012-06-22 07:08:00 PM
Yeah, saw that coming over a decade ago.

When you get cheap and breaddy, you die faster.

;)
 
2012-06-22 07:08:24 PM

KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.
When you know where all the independent restaurants or hole-in-the-wall joints are in town, the chains just don't cut it.
Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB. Same goes for Italian-- why spend a fortune eating at Carrabba's when V's or Garozzo's has much better food? It might sound snobby, and that's okay, but there's no way anyone can say with a straight face that the food is better at those chain restaurants.


See, to me, it's the exact OPPOSITE of Snobby. Snobby is paying more for something less - if you can get good food for less money, and you do that, you're not being a foodie, or pretentious - you're being sane.

We have a fantastic Italian place called Enzo's - use to be the lunch place for all the IBM bigwigs when IBM was big in this area. Great pizza, fantastic pasta, lots of cheap, good food, real Italian deserts, nice people. Yet because it's not on the "main drag" and Olive Garden is, guess which one you can't get a table at?

/it's just nicer for me, they own the building, they'll never close
 
2012-06-22 07:08:47 PM

Gestankfaust: Gestankfaust: Great Janitor: Olive Garden sucks. I hate going there. I'd rather eat at Jack in the Box or McDonalds.

I would so totally agree with you...if it weren't for "other locations".

I have found great experiences with both places....and bad for both too.

Remember you friggin "critics"....the location makes the place.....

Yer an idiot...just for showing a pic of the asshat in charge...dickwad


What pic did I show?

I've been to two Olive Garden locations, but were not good experiences. Last time I could not get the staff to understand that when I say "No mushrooms." I mean the complete absence of fungus.

The first time I was thrown out of one. I was on a double date, my my now wife, her best friend and her best friend's now husband. He and I got bored, took the napkin, made it into a paper football and I shot it (accidentally) across the restaurant hitting some kid in the head. Farking dicks.
 
2012-06-22 07:09:17 PM

ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.
When you know where all the independent restaurants or hole-in-the-wall joints are in town, the chains just don't cut it.
Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB. Same goes for Italian-- why spend a fortune eating at Carrabba's when V's or Garozzo's has much better food? It might sound snobby, and that's okay, but there's no way anyone can say with a straight face that the food is better at those chain restaurants.

Im not even sure if it was a national chain, but if it was add Cooker's to that list.


Hmm, never heard of Cooker's. What type of food did they claim to serve?
 
2012-06-22 07:09:55 PM

optikeye: I'll go to Olive Garden when on road trips, and get their soup and salad combo.
The 'try local places' is a myth when you randomly pick one while traveling as 95precent of them really suck.


Prior to things like Yelp this might have been a problem. While not perfect its certainly a better litmus test than blind guessing and unlike a chain restaraunt there is a chance you will come away without a wallet filled on nausea and a step closer to type 2 diabetes.
 
2012-06-22 07:10:34 PM

sci2: So.... they're only making $4.00 per share instead of $4.06 per share. Alert the authorities. We must to something about this. Actually RTFA. Sad tag accurate. Hoping for real doom and gloom.


Ikr, now their CEO is prolly only gonna make like $13 mill instead of $15 mill, omg they need a bailout from Obama asap
 
2012-06-22 07:10:59 PM
How do a bunch of honkie crakers turn an article about Red Lobster and Olive Garden loosing business in piss poor economic times into a race issue?
 
2012-06-22 07:11:31 PM
http://www.topsecretrecipes.com/Red-Lobster-Cheddar-Bay-Biscuits-Recip e.html - save yourself a 15 dollars an entree, go buy some good trout, fry or pan sear it, then make these
 
2012-06-22 07:11:55 PM

OnlyM3: meat0918

Could it be that Americans
...don't think the economy is doing as great as this idiot does.
[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]


Shove it, trollboy... he said the private sector was doing fine, and it is... unemployment is way inflated by the number of government workers he is cutting... but if you want to go back to hiring more government employees and big government waste, Romney has already promised he'll add at least a hundred thousand more... and your taxes will go down... and the deficit will go down... and hell, he'd probably pull a Newt and promise a moon base, but that just seems too specific.
 
2012-06-22 07:13:05 PM

KOOLmike: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.
When you know where all the independent restaurants or hole-in-the-wall joints are in town, the chains just don't cut it.
Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB. Same goes for Italian-- why spend a fortune eating at Carrabba's when V's or Garozzo's has much better food? It might sound snobby, and that's okay, but there's no way anyone can say with a straight face that the food is better at those chain restaurants.

Im not even sure if it was a national chain, but if it was add Cooker's to that list.

Hmm, never heard of Cooker's. What type of food did they claim to serve?


It was one of those applebee/ tgi friday like places. Dont remember too much about them they closed down when i was like 12
 
2012-06-22 07:14:11 PM
What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P
 
2012-06-22 07:14:18 PM

titwrench: 9beers: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

That's not racism, it's a fact. The last time I was in a Red Lobster, it was about 75% black and that's in an area where blacks make up 10% of the population at most. Brothers will drive their asses off for some bad seafood.

A few of us went to Joe's Crab Shack a couple of weeks ago for a friends birthday. Our group was 50/50 black and white but everyone else in the place was black in a predominantly white and Hispanic part of town. I am not exaggerating, even the black people at our table were aware of it and were giving us a hard time about being the only white people. So I said "At least our waitress will get a tip."

/csb


HEY.

The Sam Adams Steamer Bucket at the Fort Lauderdale Joe's is pretty damn good, thank you VERY much. And, why, yes, I *am* a honkey!
 
2012-06-22 07:14:36 PM

Rufus Lee King: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

Wow, didn't take long to insert "racism" into it, eh?


So, guessing by your scare quotes, I'm thinking that you don't agree that that was a racist comment?
 
2012-06-22 07:15:46 PM
They need to join forces and call it Red Garden or Olive Lobster.
 
2012-06-22 07:17:09 PM

DocFarker: How do a bunch of honkie crakers turn an article about Red Lobster and Olive Garden loosing business in piss poor economic times into a race issue?


Welcome to Farkkk.com.
 
2012-06-22 07:18:36 PM
Yet every time I drive by either of the two local Olive Garden's there's a line out the door waiting to eat their Sysco food.
 
2012-06-22 07:18:44 PM
Yesterday the wife and I went to Olive Garden and we were making jokes at them the whole time. Like they ran out Gnocci Soup and we were offered alternatives, and my wife asked how long it would take to defrost a new batch. Anyway, good times. I made this graphic earlier and it seemed fitting to share it. I am no photoshop pro. Just having some fun. It's what I picture Olive Garden's kitchen to look like.

sites.google.com
 
2012-06-22 07:18:45 PM

saintstryfe: See, to me, it's the exact OPPOSITE of Snobby. Snobby is paying more for something less - if you can get good food for less money, and you do that, you're not being a foodie, or pretentious - you're being sane.


To me, snobby is looking down judgmentally on other people's tastes, and there's plenty of that in this thread. By your definition, a hipster who thinks some independent band is better than the mainstream and looks down on the "conformists" who like the mainstream bands who "sold out" can't be a snob because it's cheaper to get a ticket to an independent band than to a mainstream.
 
2012-06-22 07:20:19 PM

ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: KOOLmike: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.
When you know where all the independent restaurants or hole-in-the-wall joints are in town, the chains just don't cut it.
Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB. Same goes for Italian-- why spend a fortune eating at Carrabba's when V's or Garozzo's has much better food? It might sound snobby, and that's okay, but there's no way anyone can say with a straight face that the food is better at those chain restaurants.

Im not even sure if it was a national chain, but if it was add Cooker's to that list.

Hmm, never heard of Cooker's. What type of food did they claim to serve?

It was one of those applebee/ tgi friday like places. Dont remember too much about them they closed down when i was like 12


Ah, sounds like the Bennigan's that were around when I was a kid growing up in the Detroit area.

There's a fairly chain joint here in KC called Cheddars. Yet another place like Applebee's that basically serves glorified bar food. Fam and I tried it and it wasn't too bad, and the prices were reasonable. I'd probably consider it again if the kids requested we go there, but I don't think it will be my or the wife's first choice.
 
2012-06-22 07:21:59 PM

Abner Doon: I dunno if Red Lobster changed, or my tastes did, but that shiat is terrible. So damn salty that you can't even taste what you're eating, it's disgusting.


THIS! Even the farking shrimp cocktail was salty. WTF is wrong with that company?

My wife's granny loooves that place. Otherwise I would have never set foot in one.
 
2012-06-22 07:22:00 PM
Sales are down at Red Lobster?

Looks like the 1% has decided to finally stop throwing their money around.

We get it. You're rich!
 
2012-06-22 07:22:26 PM
^ ...Fairly NEW chain joint, I meant to say.
 
2012-06-22 07:23:03 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Rufus Lee King: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

Wow, didn't take long to insert "racism" into it, eh?

So, guessing by your scare quotes, I'm thinking that you don't agree that that was a racist comment?


This is fark... where everything and nothing is racist.... whether it's a broad statement questioning the intelligence of a political party, or a statement about not visiting a restaurant because of discomfort with black people and hispanics... it's the new way of things.
 
2012-06-22 07:23:04 PM
My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.
 
2012-06-22 07:23:48 PM
I like their Zuppa Toscana. Every restaurant has good stuff and bad stuff, I assume.
 
2012-06-22 07:25:17 PM
I am so glad to live in a city with real food and great local restaurants. If your gonna be a snob about something, what you tickle your taste buds with and put in your body is a great thing to be a snob about. Goes for beer and booze too.
 
2012-06-22 07:25:18 PM

optikeye: I'll go to Olive Garden when on road trips, and get their soup and salad combo.
The 'try local places' is a myth when you randomly pick one while traveling as 95precent of them really suck. But then again 100 percent of Applebees really suck.


Think I found your problem...

/aware that much of small-town America is a culinary wasteland
//but not all of it
///slash
 
2012-06-22 07:25:37 PM
I once got into an argument with an Italian-American woman for saying the Olive Garden is like "Taco Bell for Italians."

It ain't the authentic stuff, I told her. "Yeah but it tastes better!" was her reply.

Btw, the mom & pop Italian places I've ate at aren't much better sometimes. Had a lasagna lunch at one little hole-in-the-wall restaurant across the street from a Costco. Yep, the lasagna was identical to taste and look of the Kirkland brand.
 
2012-06-22 07:25:41 PM

meat0918: Could it be that Americans got pissy at their CEO and didn't want to go to a place that doesn't want to give sick employees time off or give them lunch breaks?

Regulatory mandates flowing from federal health care reform may be the most visible, but the list also includes measures such as new mandatory paid leave provisions that require us to change the way we accommodate employees who need to take time off when they are ill and ever more unrealistic requirements regarding employee meal and rest breaks that, in California for example, force our employees to take breaks in the middle of serving lunch or dinner


Requiring restaurants to give breaks in the middle of lunch or dinner rush is asinine and only shows that the regulators are clueless, not to mention people like you who think it's a reason to boycott.
 
2012-06-22 07:26:12 PM
I am sicilian, french, and Colombian, who is from South Louisiana.

REd lobster is farking awful.

Olive Garden does have a good salad.

I live in Ocala Florida, and we have an all you can eat chinese buffet with crawfish, that are hideous, but every black person in town eats about ten plates....
 
2012-06-22 07:27:09 PM
And don't get me wrong,

I used to LOVE going to Red Lobster.

'Twas *slap* one of my fav restaurants.

Big shrimp. Large lobsters. Big fish and mussels. Crabby crabs.

Yummy-past.

;(
 
2012-06-22 07:27:44 PM
Go ahead and laugh about it - I do. But when I was growing up in rural Alabama Red Lobster was where you took your girlfriend if you were really trying to impress her and had saved up your money to be able to afford it.
 
2012-06-22 07:28:21 PM

12349876: saintstryfe: See, to me, it's the exact OPPOSITE of Snobby. Snobby is paying more for something less - if you can get good food for less money, and you do that, you're not being a foodie, or pretentious - you're being sane.

To me, snobby is looking down judgmentally on other people's tastes, and there's plenty of that in this thread. By your definition, a hipster who thinks some independent band is better than the mainstream and looks down on the "conformists" who like the mainstream bands who "sold out" can't be a snob because it's cheaper to get a ticket to an independent band than to a mainstream.


Dude, if you bump ya some Bieber on your way to Olive Garden, that's your deal and I certainly don't think any less of you for it. You just can't bump Bieber in my car, nor will I be joining you at Olive Garden. There are no aspersions being cast here either way.
 
2012-06-22 07:28:25 PM
Shenanigans!:
I see people make this assertion, and yet no microwave oven I've ever used has actually worked like this. I have yet to encounter one that cooks from the inside out. If you have a make and model you can recommend, that'd be awesome. I'd love to give it a spin.


I think this is a common misconception because the microwaves are tuned to be absorbed primarily by water molecules and heating something like a cup of water the water will end up hotter than the cup making it seem to be cooking from the inside when in fact the waves are coming from the outside and are just passing through. You prolly knew that already but just in case.
 
2012-06-22 07:28:47 PM

iaazathot: On the other hand the same business group operates PF Chang's which has some decent food by comparison.


Decent????

Insert the jpeg of "free cat" here. That would be the PF Chang shopping list.

A silk purse can not be made from a sow's ear.
 
2012-06-22 07:29:09 PM

meat0918: Could it be that Americans got pissy at their CEO and didn't want to go to a place that doesn't want to give sick employees time off or give them lunch breaks?

Regulatory mandates flowing from federal health care reform may be the most visible, but the list also includes measures such as new mandatory paid leave provisions that require us to change the way we accommodate employees who need to take time off when they are ill and ever more unrealistic requirements regarding employee meal and rest breaks that, in California for example, force our employees to take breaks in the middle of serving lunch or dinner


Bingo!!

Haven't been to the Olive Garden since he wrote that ridiculous article.
 
2012-06-22 07:29:13 PM

DocFarker: How do a bunch of honkie crakers turn an article about Red Lobster and Olive Garden loosing business in piss poor economic times into a race issue?


Well you see, they fancy themselves "not racist" while at the same time demonstrating that by their very though processes they are, in fact, racist.
 
2012-06-22 07:29:47 PM
I refer to Red Lobster as "The Black Chart House". Anyone from the Philadelphia area will appreciate this (they think Red Lobster = fine dining, bwahaha!)...
 
2012-06-22 07:30:00 PM

styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.


They show Golden Corral commercials all the time here in Los Angeles.

The nearest GC is halfway between Barstow and LA, which is a few hours driving to and from. Rather just keep driving to Vegas.

/also no Applebee's in my part of LA either
 
2012-06-22 07:31:02 PM

flashfry: Olive Garden I can stomach.

Red Lobster?

[strongdogz.com image 400x298]


OMG YOU ARE A DOG THAT CAN TYPE? BRILLIANT!

I seriously lol'd
 
2012-06-22 07:31:12 PM
(But yeah, it is completely chock-full-o-blacks. I go there for the margaritas maybe once or twice a year and every time I feel like I've died and gone to Crooklyn).
 
2012-06-22 07:31:25 PM

12349876: saintstryfe: See, to me, it's the exact OPPOSITE of Snobby. Snobby is paying more for something less - if you can get good food for less money, and you do that, you're not being a foodie, or pretentious - you're being sane.

To me, snobby is looking down judgmentally on other people's tastes, and there's plenty of that in this thread. By your definition, a hipster who thinks some independent band is better than the mainstream and looks down on the "conformists" who like the mainstream bands who "sold out" can't be a snob because it's cheaper to get a ticket to an independent band than to a mainstream.


Can't look down on something that's not there. In all seriousness though, you seem like the kind of person that takes exception to people choosing which businesses they patronize based on the business practices of said institution; if it's good enough for you, it should be good enough for them, no?
 
2012-06-22 07:31:26 PM

meat0918: Could it be that Americans got pissy at their CEO and didn't want to go to a place that doesn't want to give sick employees time off or give them lunch breaks?


You've obviously never worked in food services. You make a f*cking killing on tips but you don't get a break for 8 hours and you make $2.15/hr.
 
2012-06-22 07:32:18 PM

Ed Finnerty: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

Se gusta skrimps.


www.fohguild.org

/oblig
 
2012-06-22 07:32:22 PM

falcon176: all you can eat shrimp at red lobster or get the fark out


I will happily get the fark out.

/skrimp snob
 
2012-06-22 07:33:45 PM
My sister-in-law and her husband always want us to go meet them at either Red Lobster, Olive Garden, the Golden Corral or some other shiat hole for dinner on a regular basis. I stopped going out with them to eat in the late 80s when that side of the wife's family constantly met at the "Old Country Buffet". I put my foot down and said no more will I go to any of those places. It caused a rift in the force for a few years. I still won't go.
 
2012-06-22 07:34:05 PM

LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P


It's even funnier watching the trailer trash white folks like you that go there dressed in your best CAT hat and flannel laughing at them when everybody already knows the real joke is that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to an upscale restaurant.
 
2012-06-22 07:35:24 PM

ongbok: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

It's even funnier watching the trailer trash white folks like you that go there dressed in your best CAT hat and flannel laughing at them when everybody already knows the real joke is that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to an upscale restaurant.


gbge.aclu.org
 
2012-06-22 07:35:43 PM

misanthropic1: optikeye: I'll go to Olive Garden when on road trips, and get their soup and salad combo.
The 'try local places' is a myth when you randomly pick one while traveling as 95precent of them really suck. But then again 100 percent of Applebees really suck.

Think I found your problem...

/aware that much of small-town America is a culinary wasteland


When traveling...I don't have want to have a excursion to track down a well known local place. (Unless it's almost a destination in itself). Interstate exit..stop take a break, eat, back on the road.
 
2012-06-22 07:36:10 PM
I have to say the biggest gap between what the commercial shows and what you get on your plate has to be Red Lobster.
 
2012-06-22 07:36:12 PM

ongbok: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

It's even funnier watching the trailer trash white folks like you that go there dressed in your best CAT hat and flannel laughing at them when everybody already knows the real joke is that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to an upscale restaurant.


Just so you know, your reply was vastly inferior to the statement which you were answering (on multiple levels - humor, accuracy, etc.).
 
2012-06-22 07:36:30 PM
I still tease my mom about the first time she and dad came to visit me in Vegas, nearly ten years ago now. They had offered to take my then-husband and I out to dinner and she suggested Olive Garden.

Who goes to Vegas to eat at the freakin' Olive Garden?

I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere, the little old man strolling around with his accordion and the all-you-can-drink house wine kick Olive Garden's ass any day.
 
2012-06-22 07:36:34 PM

styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.


Oh yeah I saw that this morning and was thinking alike laughing. I would really like to sit in on their marketing team meetings. It's like their subtly mocking their clientele. Golden Corral, we know you have no dignity left so come on down.

I really want to go there and stick my wang in the chocolate wonderfall and cause a scene for lulz but I would probably end up tased to death.
 
2012-06-22 07:37:57 PM

misanthropic1: 12349876: saintstryfe: See, to me, it's the exact OPPOSITE of Snobby. Snobby is paying more for something less - if you can get good food for less money, and you do that, you're not being a foodie, or pretentious - you're being sane.

To me, snobby is looking down judgmentally on other people's tastes, and there's plenty of that in this thread. By your definition, a hipster who thinks some independent band is better than the mainstream and looks down on the "conformists" who like the mainstream bands who "sold out" can't be a snob because it's cheaper to get a ticket to an independent band than to a mainstream.

Can't look down on something that's not there. In all seriousness though, you seem like the kind of person that takes exception to people choosing which businesses they patronize based on the business practices of said institution; if it's good enough for you, it should be good enough for them, no?


You seem to be the kind of person that thinks someone who likes frozen overly salted food is an ignoramus. Choose where you want to go, just don't be a snob about it by insulting people who have different tastes from you.
 
2012-06-22 07:38:45 PM

optikeye: misanthropic1: optikeye: I'll go to Olive Garden when on road trips, and get their soup and salad combo.
The 'try local places' is a myth when you randomly pick one while traveling as 95precent of them really suck. But then again 100 percent of Applebees really suck.

Think I found your problem...

/aware that much of small-town America is a culinary wasteland

When traveling...I don't have want to have a excursion to track down a well known local place. (Unless it's almost a destination in itself). Interstate exit..stop take a break, eat, back on the road.


Ah; road-tripping through pop
 
2012-06-22 07:41:50 PM

berylman: styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.

Oh yeah I saw that this morning and was thinking alike laughing. I would really like to sit in on their marketing team meetings. It's like their subtly mocking their clientele. Golden Corral, we know you have no dignity left so come on down.

I really want to go there and stick my wang in the chocolate wonderfall and cause a scene for lulz but I would probably end up tased to death.


Dude, people dip steak and meatloaf in that fountain and not for jokes either. Link
 
2012-06-22 07:42:41 PM

optikeye: I'll go to Olive Garden when on road trips, and get their soup and salad combo.
The 'try local places' is a myth when you randomly pick one while traveling as 95precent of them really suck. But then again 100 percent of Applebees really suck.


It's 2012... and you still haven't heard of Yelp? Really?
 
2012-06-22 07:43:12 PM

12349876: misanthropic1: 12349876: saintstryfe: See, to me, it's the exact OPPOSITE of Snobby. Snobby is paying more for something less - if you can get good food for less money, and you do that, you're not being a foodie, or pretentious - you're being sane.

To me, snobby is looking down judgmentally on other people's tastes, and there's plenty of that in this thread. By your definition, a hipster who thinks some independent band is better than the mainstream and looks down on the "conformists" who like the mainstream bands who "sold out" can't be a snob because it's cheaper to get a ticket to an independent band than to a mainstream.

Can't look down on something that's not there. In all seriousness though, you seem like the kind of person that takes exception to people choosing which businesses they patronize based on the business practices of said institution; if it's good enough for you, it should be good enough for them, no?

You seem to be the kind of person that thinks someone who likes frozen overly salted food is an ignoramus. Choose where you want to go, just don't be a snob about it by insulting people who have different tastes from you.


Nothing of the sort; merely that lauding it as "fine dining" is rather a misuse of the vernacular.

/don't eat the stuff because I don't like the corporate politics or the food; nothing to do with trying to differentiate myself from the masses
 
2012-06-22 07:44:43 PM
This company also bought Longhorns and are destroying it.
 
2012-06-22 07:45:04 PM

Any Pie Left: I don't get the Red Lobster hate: took the mrs. there last month on a date, the wood-fire-grilled salmon was teh sex. Really, very good, and yet still reasonably priced.


I don't know about anybody else in this thread, but I certainly don't hate Olive Garden or Red Lobster. I eat at both places occasionally, generally when someone else suggests it. It's just that there is better seafood and better Italian available, at least where I live.

Earlier in the thread someone suggested using urbanspoon or google local to find better. Personally, I read the food page of an old-fashioned paper newspaper. You could try just asking friends and co-workers for suggestions. But whatever your methods, I advise you to shop around and see if there's anything nearby you might like better.

But hey, if you enjoy Red Lobster and you're happy, more power to you.
 
2012-06-22 07:45:27 PM

AbortionsForAll: ongbok: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

It's even funnier watching the trailer trash white folks like you that go there dressed in your best CAT hat and flannel laughing at them when everybody already knows the real joke is that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to an upscale restaurant.

Just so you know, your reply was vastly inferior to the statement which you were answering (on multiple levels - humor, accuracy, etc.).


No it is pretty accurate. After all you seem to know a lot about what type of people frequent Red Lobster. The only way for you to have that type of knowledge on the subject is if you frequent the place quite often yourself, and that would tend to prove the point that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to upscale dinning. Me on the other hand, I have no idea what kind of people frequent either Red Lobster or the Olive Garden because I have never been to a Red Lobster and only been to Olive Garden twice in mt life. Furthermore since I was a child I was taught that if you were going to eat out, you really should look for upscale places to eat.
 
2012-06-22 07:45:32 PM

I should be in the kitchen: I still tease my mom about the first time she and dad came to visit me in Vegas, nearly ten years ago now. They had offered to take my then-husband and I out to dinner and she suggested Olive Garden.

Who goes to Vegas to eat at the freakin' Olive Garden?

I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere, the little old man strolling around with his accordion and the all-you-can-drink house wine kick Olive Garden's ass any day.


Almost as bad as people who go to New York, home of the best Italian food outside of Italy, and eat at farking Olive Garden. I'm pretty sure those people actually hate food.

/but never-ending pasta!!!11!!
 
2012-06-22 07:45:49 PM

styckx: berylman: styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.

Oh yeah I saw that this morning and was thinking alike laughing. I would really like to sit in on their marketing team meetings. It's like their subtly mocking their clientele. Golden Corral, we know you have no dignity left so come on down.

I really want to go there and stick my wang in the chocolate wonderfall and cause a scene for lulz but I would probably end up tased to death.

Dude, people dip steak and meatloaf in that fountain and not for jokes either. Link


shiat, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.
 
2012-06-22 07:46:20 PM
Oh and Applebees doesn't suck if you look at its usefulness correctly.

Usually Applebees has one of the better bar setups and some of the best drunk food available. I spent more time in my drinking days getting hammered at Applebees than the local bars..
 
2012-06-22 07:46:24 PM

misanthropic1: Nothing of the sort; merely that lauding it as "fine dining" is rather a misuse of the vernacular.

/don't eat the stuff because I don't like the corporate politics or the food; nothing to do with trying to differentiate myself from the masses


That's fine. I thought were disagreeing on the definition of snob. I was saying that price has nothing to do with it. When you insult someone for their taste, it doesn't matter whether your taste is cheaper or more expensive, it's snobbery.
 
2012-06-22 07:47:47 PM
Red Lobster is probably the biggest scam amongst the restaurant chains. $40 for a place with $3 worth of old sea food.
 
2012-06-22 07:48:16 PM

kidsizedcoffin: styckx: berylman: styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.

Oh yeah I saw that this morning and was thinking alike laughing. I would really like to sit in on their marketing team meetings. It's like their subtly mocking their clientele. Golden Corral, we know you have no dignity left so come on down.

I really want to go there and stick my wang in the chocolate wonderfall and cause a scene for lulz but I would probably end up tased to death.

Dude, people dip steak and meatloaf in that fountain and not for jokes either. Link

shiat, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.


Bread pudding for me.
 
2012-06-22 07:48:39 PM

hbk72777: Ray Liotta described what Olive Garden makes in Goodfellas

"I asked for spaghetti with marinara and I got egg noodles and ketchup"


You should try an "Italian" restaurant in a Japanese shopping mall sometime.

Well, no, really, you shouldn't.

Ever.
 
2012-06-22 07:49:03 PM

Shenanigans!: I see people make this assertion, and yet no microwave oven I've ever used has actually worked like this. I have yet to encounter one that cooks from the inside out. If you have a make and model you can recommend, that'd be awesome. I'd love to give it a spin.


This is like the one we have at work and it cooks about twice as fast as the Magic Chef I have at home. Really amazing actually. I tend to warm something up in little bits. Like start with 99 seconds, then 66 sec, see how it looks, do another 44 seconds and you're done depending on the quantity you're heating.
Link
 
2012-06-22 07:49:16 PM
Better than Long John's?

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

He'll be the judge of that.

/Enjoy your evening.
 
2012-06-22 07:52:17 PM
All I'm saying is that corporatism has created cheaper food all around, and since I'm poor, when I used to go "out" the food was better. It's only gotten worse since I could afford eating out. shiat, corporations now "vote" in your cheap-ass elections, biatches. You think they'll spend more on your "food" now?

;)
 
2012-06-22 07:53:38 PM

KOOLmike: Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB.


Because On The Border's Gringo-Mex is so different from authentic Mexican that it's essentially an entirely different cuisine altogether. It's sorta like comparing French and Italian cuisine and arguing about which is more authentically Italian. Of course Italian food is more Italian than French food, but that doesn't make French food BAD. I happen to like both.
 
2012-06-22 07:54:22 PM

PapaChester: They recently opened an Olive Garden and Red Lobster directly next to each other in our redone shopping mall. The old people here love it. No one seems to know that they are owned by the same company.

Then again, no one seems to know the Trader Joe's is German.


They have to live closer to the ones in the 'nard why drive up here? And it just reminds me, I miss the old Bauducco's.... Hurry up and re-open you bastards! Even the new owners were better than the Sysco frozen slop house that is the og.
 
2012-06-22 07:54:29 PM

Eshman: DocFarker: How do a bunch of honkie crakers turn an article about Red Lobster and Olive Garden loosing business in piss poor economic times into a race issue?

Well you see, they fancy themselves "not racist" while at the same time demonstrating that by their very though processes they are, in fact, racist.


Thank you for explaining.
 
2012-06-22 07:55:23 PM
The stupidity of the American Consumer Drone has not changed, they just have less money now.
 
2012-06-22 07:55:39 PM

I should be in the kitchen: I still tease my mom about the first time she and dad came to visit me in Vegas, nearly ten years ago now. They had offered to take my then-husband and I out to dinner and she suggested Olive Garden.

Who goes to Vegas to eat at the freakin' Olive Garden?



Yo mamma?
 
2012-06-22 07:55:48 PM

vicejay: Any Farkers ever heading to New Orleans need to check this site out for the best local eats: http://www.nomenu.com


Oceana Grill, just off Bourbon Street. PoBoys to die for, and burgers the size of the freakin' plate! Followed by begnies (sp) at Cafe Du Monde in the French Market.
 
2012-06-22 07:57:35 PM
Lowest common denominator dreck. I'd rather eat dog food.
 
2012-06-22 07:57:51 PM
It's a Ramen Noodle every night kind of US these days.
 
Biv
2012-06-22 07:58:29 PM

DocFarker: How do a bunch of honkie crakers turn an article about Red Lobster and Olive Garden loosing business in piss poor economic times into a race issue?


LOSING, it's LOSING damn it. Why do so many people spell that wrong?

I ate at OG once, it was decent but expensive. As someone else says, I think the location has a lot to do with it. Never been to a RL or PF.

I'm guilty of being fond of Panda Express. Black Pepper Chicken FTW.
 
2012-06-22 07:59:22 PM

Shoop008: iaazathot: On the other hand the same business group operates PF Chang's which has some decent food by comparison.

PF Changs is owned by PF Changs. Darden does not own or run it. Darden is basically Red Lobster and Olive garden with some other minor chains or specialty restaurants.


Paul French owns PF Changs ( and Pei Wie ).
 
2012-06-22 08:00:37 PM
Do they make a book called "white folk lingo for dumbies"? I assume they do so do any of you know where I can get a copy?
 
2012-06-22 08:02:13 PM

lilplatinum: No excuse for eating at either of those places after high school... If you eat there you are bad and you should feel bad.. If you live somewhere where those are your choices, you need to move.


Better yet, go down to the Olive Garden or Red Lobster after they close and burn them to the ground. Fire is a cleanser.
 
2012-06-22 08:02:46 PM
If Texas is any indication, I think part of their dwindling sales might be a result of other chains which emphasize higher-quality(relatively) food, in particular the owners of Fish Daddy's and Cheddar's, have been intentionally locating their competing franchises near to Red Lobster and Olive Garden shops, especially in growing markets. The price differences between a Carino's and an Olive Garden aren't that different, and the difference in quality is enormous.
 
2012-06-22 08:03:02 PM

I should be in the kitchen: I still tease my mom about the first time she and dad came to visit me in Vegas, nearly ten years ago now. They had offered to take my then-husband and I out to dinner and she suggested Olive Garden.

Who goes to Vegas to eat at the freakin' Olive Garden?

I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere, the little old man strolling around with his accordion and the all-you-can-drink house wine kick Olive Garden's ass any day.


I know, right? All kinds of choices to love in Vegas. You could be eating at the King's Buffet at the Excalibur or the Starchstravaganza at the Imperial Palace or Rewarmed Taco Night at the El Cortez.
 
2012-06-22 08:03:16 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-22 08:03:25 PM

Ed Finnerty: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

Se gusta skrimps.


And welcome to the "favorites."
 
2012-06-22 08:03:30 PM

Jument: Meh, I like PF Changs.


My wife & I eat at PF Chang's. She was born in China, lived there until she was 6, and grew up eating home-cooked Chinese food, but she still enjoys PF on occasion.

PF Chang's is distinctly different than the kind of home-cooked Chinese food that her parents make -- not "authentic" -- but "authentic" and "good" are totally independent concepts. Food can be inauthentic and good, or authentic and bad.

/ lots of tasty things have come from ethnic food being adapted to local tastes
 
2012-06-22 08:03:35 PM

RussianPooper: Requiring restaurants to give breaks in the middle of lunch or dinner rush is asinine and only shows that the regulators are clueless, not to mention people like you who think it's a reason to boycott.


Is the opposition really to give breaks in the middle of lunch or dinner rush, or to give breaks, period?
 
2012-06-22 08:04:40 PM

KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.
When you know where all the independent restaurants or hole-in-the-wall joints are in town, the chains just don't cut it.
Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB. Same goes for Italian-- why spend a fortune eating at Carrabba's when V's or Garozzo's has much better food? It might sound snobby, and that's okay, but there's no way anyone can say with a straight face that the food is better at those chain restaurants.


Buy the pre-cooked lasagna at Sam's Club and eat it for a week. After that you can recognize it at all your local independent restaurants.
 
2012-06-22 08:06:39 PM

Eshman: DocFarker: How do a bunch of honkie crakers turn an article about Red Lobster and Olive Garden loosing business in piss poor economic times into a race issue?

Well you see, they fancy themselves "not racist" while at the same time demonstrating that by their very though processes they are, in fact, racist.


Note: "I'm not racist, but" is not a valid legal disclaimer.
 
2012-06-22 08:08:04 PM

HempHead: Buy the pre-cooked lasagna at Sam's Club and eat it for a week. After that you can recognize it at all your local independent restaurants.


It's true -- I know plenty of local places that are (in cases, far) worse than the big chains. There are also a few local places that are truly stellar, but they are rare. Chains are at least consistently ok; neither bad nor truly excellent.
 
2012-06-22 08:09:03 PM
How does a thread about food go racism?

Oh, yeah.

Racists and perceptions.

Color me surprised.

;)
 
2012-06-22 08:09:11 PM

optikeye: But then again 100 percent of Applebees really suck.


Maybe it's a local thing, but the Applebee's restaurants I've eaten at here have served me pretty decent food. One plus point for them is that the kitchen is open late. I'm often looking for dinner at 11:00 PM, and around here, the only other choices at that time of night are drive-thru burger joints, Denny's and Village Inn. If I'm eating earlier, though, there are better choices.

Haven't eaten at Olive Garden in years, but I ate at Red Lobster once a few months ago. Never again.
 
2012-06-22 08:09:46 PM
I briefly worked at Red Lobster. It was the most filthy, vile, disgusting kitchen I've ever seen. They gave customers dirty silverware, servers made salads with bare, unwashed hands, and everyone picked food off of customer's plates before it went out to them. Every surface from counter to floor was never cleaned properly and was sticky and slimy. The cooks arms and hands were covered in burns and scars. The dishes were in no way clean.

The smell is something I'll never forget. The dish tank made me want to vomit. I had to quit after 2 weeks.

/ 15 year veteran of restaurant work. Even now I work in one on the weekends. I've never seen another kitchen even remotely that bad.
 
2012-06-22 08:10:01 PM
Ah, restaurant snobbery. Right up there with wine snobbery and fair food snobbery.
 
2012-06-22 08:10:03 PM

LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P


Pappadeaux in Texas is the exact same.
 
2012-06-22 08:10:09 PM

Indubitably: How does a thread about food go racism?

Oh, yeah.

Racists and perceptions.

Color me surprised.

;)


P.S. Cut your skin off: you all look the same to me, you?
 
2012-06-22 08:10:12 PM

optikeye: The 'try local places' is a myth when you randomly pick one while traveling as 95precent of them really suck.


If only we could somehow connect our computers, phones, tablets etc. together in a way that they could communicate with each other. Then people could share reviews of all of the local restaurants so that we could make an educated decision. Oh well, let's just go to the Olive Garden.
 
Biv
2012-06-22 08:10:14 PM

styckx: Oh and Applebees doesn't suck if you look at its usefulness correctly.

Usually Applebees has one of the better bar setups and some of the best drunk food available. I spent more time in my drinking days getting hammered at Applebees than the local bars..


And get the Black and Blue Burger...so farking good.
 
2012-06-22 08:10:24 PM
"Olive Garden and Red Lobster struggle to revive sales" ...

When in doubt, merge

gowausau.webs.com


/red olive?
 
2012-06-22 08:10:25 PM

ciberido: KOOLmike: Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB.

Because On The Border's Gringo-Mex is so different from authentic Mexican that it's essentially an entirely different cuisine altogether. It's sorta like comparing French and Italian cuisine and arguing about which is more authentically Italian. Of course Italian food is more Italian than French food, but that doesn't make French food BAD. I happen to like both.


Hell, I'll go along with that. OTB is certainly its own cuisine, but I just didn't care for it. Been 10 years, though, so maybe my new non-smoker taste buds will approve if I ever give in to the wife and eat there.
 
2012-06-22 08:11:13 PM

Biv: DocFarker: How do a bunch of honkie crakers turn an article about Red Lobster and Olive Garden loosing business in piss poor economic times into a race issue?

LOSING, it's LOSING damn it. Why do so many people spell that wrong?

I ate at OG once, it was decent but expensive. As someone else says, I think the location has a lot to do with it. Never been to a RL or PF.

I'm guilty of being fond of Panda Express. Black Pepper Chicken FTW.


the last spelling bea i wuz in i quit because i was loosing it.
 
2012-06-22 08:11:20 PM

Shenanigans!: dericwater: TheGreatGazoo: OG and RL both have decent dinner rolls/bread sticks.

The last time I ate at RL it was next to the hotel I was staying at. I got shrimp pasta alfredo (pretty hard to screw up). It was served with the cheese on the top molten and the cheese in the middle raw.

Which means it wasn't microwaved. Otherwise, the cheese in the middle would be melted and the cheese on top would not.

I see people make this assertion, and yet no microwave oven I've ever used has actually worked like this. I have yet to encounter one that cooks from the inside out. If you have a make and model you can recommend, that'd be awesome. I'd love to give it a spin.


The heating properties of a microwave oven depend on the frequency of microwaves that it uses; there are hot spots and cold spots that match the wave length. Which is why most modern microwaves have turntables, and microwave meal cooking instructions recommend resting the food for a minute or so before consumption.

Given the wave nature of microwaves, removing the turntable from your microwave also allows a simple experiment to work out the speed of light, by measuring the distance between the heated areas.

Link
Link
 
Biv
2012-06-22 08:12:29 PM

DocFarker: Do they make a book called "white folk lingo for dumbies"? I assume they do so do any of you know where I can get a copy?


Yes, it's called the dictionary. Most fine bookstores should carry one.

If you can't find it, just aks.
 
2012-06-22 08:12:51 PM

HempHead: KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.
When you know where all the independent restaurants or hole-in-the-wall joints are in town, the chains just don't cut it.
Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB. Same goes for Italian-- why spend a fortune eating at Carrabba's when V's or Garozzo's has much better food? It might sound snobby, and that's okay, but there's no way anyone can say with a straight face that the food is better at those chain restaurants.

Buy the pre-cooked lasagna at Sam's Club and eat it for a week. After that you can recognize it at all your local independent restaurants.


I don't doubt it, but why would I want to chance ruining the perfect little world of food snobbiness I've built for myself?
 
2012-06-22 08:13:02 PM

thoughtsausage: I should be in the kitchen: I still tease my mom about the first time she and dad came to visit me in Vegas, nearly ten years ago now. They had offered to take my then-husband and I out to dinner and she suggested Olive Garden.

Who goes to Vegas to eat at the freakin' Olive Garden?

I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere, the little old man strolling around with his accordion and the all-you-can-drink house wine kick Olive Garden's ass any day.

Almost as bad as people who go to New York, home of the best Italian food outside of Italy, and eat at farking Olive Garden. I'm pretty sure those people actually hate food.

/but never-ending pasta!!!11!!


Now that's just wrong! When I'm in New York, I like to go to my favorite little pizza joint called Sbarro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaKuT3dIwfc
 
2012-06-22 08:13:20 PM

netcentric: It's a Ramen Noodle every night kind of US these days.


This. People can't afford to dine in a restaurant anymore. The wiped out middle class don't even have it delivered never mind going out. We pick it up now.
 
2012-06-22 08:13:51 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.


I was at the NTTA (toll both authority place for Dallas, TX) and two middle age white women where in front of me and a black guy was paying and he said something about cash so one of the women opened her book and wrote in big bold letters "that is what they only carry."

I would say I am shocked by the blatant racism but old white people make me laugh because they do it so frequently and don't care. Meanwhile if you say a thing about them they raise a stink.

/red lobster is trash
//the biscuits are the only thing and my wife can make them exactly at home so she just makes those when I want some crappy seafood.
 
2012-06-22 08:14:42 PM
Evenbiggerknickers;must include this

NSFW language

Link...i'd choose A for sure and the go cook us dinner
 
Biv
2012-06-22 08:14:54 PM

Indubitably: How does a thread about food go racism?

Oh, yeah.

Racists and perceptions.

Color me surprised.

;)


What color is that? I want to make fun of you.
 
2012-06-22 08:15:14 PM
better dressing than olive garden. make it at home any time you please

Short Stop Italian salad dressing:

1 Cup Sugar
2 T Salt
2/3 Cup Water
1 1/2 Cup Cider Vinegar
1 T Parsley
2 Cloves Garlic (minced)
Capers (I use a couple of Tablespoons)
Mix the above and let sit at least 1/2 hour.

Then add:

1 Cup oil
Stir and refrigerate. If oil gets thick let set out 1/2 hour before using.
 
2012-06-22 08:15:24 PM

MrEricSir: It's 2012... and you still haven't heard of Yelp? Really?


Yelp is pretty useless IMHO. It's like depending on You tube comments for suggestions.
 
2012-06-22 08:15:29 PM
I have done et in worser places then either of them, n paid more. No shiat.
 
2012-06-22 08:16:18 PM

AbortionsForAll: ongbok: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

It's even funnier watching the trailer trash white folks like you that go there dressed in your best CAT hat and flannel laughing at them when everybody already knows the real joke is that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to an upscale restaurant.

Just so you know, your reply was vastly inferior to the statement which you were answering (on multiple levels - humor, accuracy, etc.).


Perhaps, but your unsolicited interjection is vastly inferior to either post.
 
2012-06-22 08:17:54 PM

Biv: DocFarker: Do they make a book called "white folk lingo for dumbies"? I assume they do so do any of you know where I can get a copy?

Yes, it's called the dictionary. Most fine bookstores should carry one.

If you can't find it, just aks.


Dicktionary
 
2012-06-22 08:18:16 PM

Omahawg: better dressing than olive garden. make it at home any time you please

Short Stop Italian salad dressing:

1 Cup Sugar
2 T Salt
2/3 Cup Water
1 1/2 Cup Cider Vinegar
1 T Parsley
2 Cloves Garlic (minced)
Capers (I use a couple of Tablespoons)
Mix the above and let sit at least 1/2 hour.

Then add:

1 Cup oil
Stir and refrigerate. If oil gets thick let set out 1/2 hour before using.


Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?
 
2012-06-22 08:18:46 PM
I used to never eat Italian until about a year ago. I ordered Lasagna at this place that was suppose to be good. Layers of noodles with filling that looked like they used a paint brush to thinly spread it out. It was bad. Over the next six month we kept going to different Italian places with the same results. Not the best hobby, couldn't find any I liked.

I decided to do it myself. Picked up a couple of those small single serving Corning wear bowls with a handle and made my own. Still sucked, but learned that you have to really pour on the filling with no more than 3 layers of noodles.

Then I found canned spaghetti sauce doesn't work - no matter what brand. I had to figure out what caramelizing was and do it to the tomatoes - and use real herbs and about half the tomato paste to keep the salt level down. Still reminded me of high school until a guy at the meat counter introduced me to sweet Italian sausage to mix with the ground beef.

That really made the difference. I have to be careful to get the right sweet Italian sausage - they aren't all the same.

Here a couple months ago I look online and here's the recipe all over the place. Felt like I reinvented the wheel - except for the nutmeg in the ricotta. That really works.

I finally have it down. I found the secret to good lasagna is to use real ingredients and don't take short cuts. I improved my prep speed and can knock it out in 45 minutes.

I don't like lasagna very much anymore.
 
2012-06-22 08:21:29 PM

HempHead: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

Pappadeaux in Texas is the exact same.


The irony of someone from Dallas talking about people frontin' is delicious... unlike Red Lobster or Olive Garden.

/most of the Pappas chains are at least servicable
//Their steak house is pretty money..
 
2012-06-22 08:22:08 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: lilplatinum: No excuse for eating at either of those places after high school... If you eat there you are bad and you should feel bad.. If you live somewhere where those are your choices, you need to move.

Better yet, go down to the Olive Garden or Red Lobster after they close and burn them to the ground. Fire is a cleanser


The fumes from a burning Olive Garden or Red Lobster would probably be considered some sort of biohazard.
 
2012-06-22 08:22:31 PM

ciberido: KOOLmike: Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB.

Because On The Border's Gringo-Mex is so different from authentic Mexican that it's essentially an entirely different cuisine altogether. It's sorta like comparing French and Italian cuisine and arguing about which is more authentically Italian. Of course Italian food is more Italian than French food, but that doesn't make French food BAD. I happen to like both.


Most people do not like authentic Mexican.
 
2012-06-22 08:22:56 PM
The last time I was in a Red Lobster, it smelled like very bad pussy.
 
2012-06-22 08:23:07 PM
I'm as food snobby as anyone else but if you want crab legs - there's no reason NOT to go to Red Lobster. All of the crab legs in the US are precooked anyway, and they can reheat them as well as anyone.

I was just at Red Lobster last week and they had 1.5 pounds of King crab legs for $28. If they're offering that across the country, then Red Lobster is alright by me.

It's been years since I've been to an Olive Garden, but I wouldn't expect great cuisine there, either. However, if something floats your boat and they offer it cheap, I'm not going to judge you if you go.
 
2012-06-22 08:23:57 PM
Hey, is this the thread where we brag about being too high-class to eat at chain restaurants?
 
2012-06-22 08:24:25 PM
I'm late to this little get together, but I had to stop eating at both restaurants after I moved in with now-husband-man and had been cooking regularly for a while. I ALWAYS have digestion problems afterwords, either acid or the other thing... too much salt and fat, or something.
 
2012-06-22 08:24:29 PM

highwayrun: I should be in the kitchen: I still tease my mom about the first time she and dad came to visit me in Vegas, nearly ten years ago now. They had offered to take my then-husband and I out to dinner and she suggested Olive Garden.

Who goes to Vegas to eat at the freakin' Olive Garden?

I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere, the little old man strolling around with his accordion and the all-you-can-drink house wine kick Olive Garden's ass any day.

I know, right? All kinds of choices to love in Vegas. You could be eating at the King's Buffet at the Excalibur or the Starchstravaganza at the Imperial Palace or Rewarmed Taco Night at the El Cortez.


I wouldn't know, I don't eat at buffets.

Funny thing about this city, there are nearly 2 million people in the metro area and we don't live on the Strip. It's not like there would be, you know, food options that cater to locals and tourists beyond the starch-bloated Midwestern Land Whales.

Think Imma hit the little family-owned Greek place by my house for dinner.
 
2012-06-22 08:27:36 PM

ZombiesYall: Hey, is this the thread where we brag about being too high-class to eat at chain restaurants?


Yelp, but you can only brag if your white though..
 
2012-06-22 08:27:43 PM

Lsherm: I'm as food snobby as anyone else but if you want crab legs - there's no reason NOT to go to Red Lobster. All of the crab legs in the US are precooked anyway, and they can reheat them as well as anyone.

I was just at Red Lobster last week and they had 1.5 pounds of King crab legs for $28. If they're offering that across the country, then Red Lobster is alright by me.

It's been years since I've been to an Olive Garden, but I wouldn't expect great cuisine there, either. However, if something floats your boat and they offer it cheap, I'm not going to judge you if you go.


lolwut?
 
2012-06-22 08:29:05 PM

TheGhostofFarkPast: I was at the NTTA (toll both authority place for Dallas, TX) and two middle age white women where in front of me and a black guy was paying and he said something about cash so one of the women opened her book and wrote in big bold letters "that is what they only carry."


It was the one Plano wasn't it??
 
2012-06-22 08:29:21 PM
Chain restaurants are fine if you want average, consistent food.

But when I'm out of town, I already have a Red Lobster back home I don't eat at, so why bother?
 
2012-06-22 08:31:23 PM

styckx: Lsherm: I'm as food snobby as anyone else but if you want crab legs - there's no reason NOT to go to Red Lobster. All of the crab legs in the US are precooked anyway, and they can reheat them as well as anyone.

I was just at Red Lobster last week and they had 1.5 pounds of King crab legs for $28. If they're offering that across the country, then Red Lobster is alright by me.

It's been years since I've been to an Olive Garden, but I wouldn't expect great cuisine there, either. However, if something floats your boat and they offer it cheap, I'm not going to judge you if you go.

lolwut?


I think the global warming has them coming out of the ocean that way.
 
2012-06-22 08:31:30 PM
Last time, and I mean LAST time, I was in an Olive Garden we waited 15 minutes after being seated. No menus, no server, no water even. There were more staff on the floor than patrons. We walked. No one even noticed.
 
2012-06-22 08:33:31 PM

jshine: lots of tasty things have come from ethnic food being adapted to local tastes


"Mexican" food served in Northern New Mexico is a great case in point.

/ NM green chile FTW!
 
2012-06-22 08:33:37 PM
I pretty much stopped going to most AppleChiliFridayTuesdaybees, just because I can get pretty much EVERYTHING at a local diner (and if you are from the philly area, you can't go a mile without hitting one). Sure, the environment isn't the most trendy or anything (mostly senior citizens unless you go after 9 PM), and some of the dishes aren't the best, but you don't feel like you are getting ripped off on food. You get bigger portions, can get a real burger or sandwich or pancakes for dinner, plus you are supporting a small business, not a franchise where the owner probably owns a dozen restaurants in the area. But if you drive by any chain restaurant in my area (PF Changs, Melting Pot, Applebees...) they'll be lines out the door on a Saturday night.

\Texas Roadhouse was probably the last chain restaurant I went to, but not again. It has since become filthy and dried out food.

\Did hit up Golden Corral one time and for the price, the food wasn't too terrible. You can eat healthy if you just make a big salad and grab a couple sides. Unfortunately, it's on the border of the city and suburbs so the umm.."clientele" left a lot to be desired.

\Will never step in an Old Country Buffet though. The last time I went to one, the place just reeked of dirty overweight people and/or dirty dish rags. Luckily, it went out of business.
 
2012-06-22 08:35:51 PM

I should be in the kitchen: highwayrun: I should be in the kitchen: I still tease my mom about the first time she and dad came to visit me in Vegas, nearly ten years ago now. They had offered to take my then-husband and I out to dinner and she suggested Olive Garden.

Who goes to Vegas to eat at the freakin' Olive Garden?

I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere, the little old man strolling around with his accordion and the all-you-can-drink house wine kick Olive Garden's ass any day.

I know, right? All kinds of choices to love in Vegas. You could be eating at the King's Buffet at the Excalibur or the Starchstravaganza at the Imperial Palace or Rewarmed Taco Night at the El Cortez.

I wouldn't know, I don't eat at buffets.

Funny thing about this city, there are nearly 2 million people in the metro area and we don't live on the Strip. It's not like there would be, you know, food options that cater to locals and tourists beyond the starch-bloated Midwestern Land Whales.

Think Imma hit the little family-owned Greek place by my house for dinner.


I did eat at buffets when I lived there. While some (the Rio, Paris) are better than others (the Orleans, Imperial Palace) they all tend to mediocre, which isn't surprising when you consider to whom they're marketing, namely gullible tourists.

I do have to say, though, Mr. Or Ms. Kitchen, that the best sushi I've ever had, hands down, was on Spring Mountain about a mile off the Strip.
 
2012-06-22 08:39:39 PM

LadyHawke: Seriously, I don't think the people who run that restaurant have ever heard of al-dente.


Places that serve a lot of pasta to the rubes just cook it in huge batches. Then, when an order comes in, they dunk one portion into boiling water for a moment to heat it up and voila, pasta. It's more work for the cook to cook each serving al dente, so most places don't.
 
2012-06-22 08:41:18 PM

KOOLmike: Omahawg: better dressing than olive garden. make it at home any time you please

Short Stop Italian salad dressing:

1 Cup Sugar
2 T Salt
2/3 Cup Water
1 1/2 Cup Cider Vinegar
1 T Parsley
2 Cloves Garlic (minced)
Capers (I use a couple of Tablespoons)
Mix the above and let sit at least 1/2 hour.

Then add:

1 Cup oil
Stir and refrigerate. If oil gets thick let set out 1/2 hour before using.

Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?


sarcasm or a real question?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-22 08:43:35 PM

styckx: Lsherm: I'm as food snobby as anyone else but if you want crab legs - there's no reason NOT to go to Red Lobster. All of the crab legs in the US are precooked anyway, and they can reheat them as well as anyone.

I was just at Red Lobster last week and they had 1.5 pounds of King crab legs for $28. If they're offering that across the country, then Red Lobster is alright by me.

It's been years since I've been to an Olive Garden, but I wouldn't expect great cuisine there, either. However, if something floats your boat and they offer it cheap, I'm not going to judge you if you go.

lolwut?


Don't watch The Deadliest Catch? Almost all of the crab meat that gets shipped elsewhere is cooked and flash frozen right after it's caught. Something about the inability to keep it fresh for very long if it's dead and raw.

So if you're on the east coast like I am and you're eating crab legs - they were caught, cooked, and frozen long before they ever got to the restaurant. Then they're steamed, but that just reheats them.
 
2012-06-22 08:44:13 PM

I should be in the kitchen: I still tease my mom about the first time she and dad came to visit me in Vegas, nearly ten years ago now. They had offered to take my then-husband and I out to dinner and she suggested Olive Garden.

Who goes to Vegas to eat at the freakin' Olive Garden?

I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere, the little old man strolling around with his accordion and the all-you-can-drink house wine kick Olive Garden's ass any day.


Love Batistas!!! Did you have the really old guy playing the accordion while you were there? The food's great and I love tha atmosphere. I may go eat there this weekend now! Thanks!
 
2012-06-22 08:46:45 PM

optikeye: Yelp is pretty useless IMHO. It's like depending on You tube comments for suggestions.


Still a few rungs above Olive Garden.
 
2012-06-22 08:46:47 PM

Lsherm: styckx: Lsherm: I'm as food snobby as anyone else but if you want crab legs - there's no reason NOT to go to Red Lobster. All of the crab legs in the US are precooked anyway, and they can reheat them as well as anyone.

I was just at Red Lobster last week and they had 1.5 pounds of King crab legs for $28. If they're offering that across the country, then Red Lobster is alright by me.

It's been years since I've been to an Olive Garden, but I wouldn't expect great cuisine there, either. However, if something floats your boat and they offer it cheap, I'm not going to judge you if you go.

lolwut?

Don't watch The Deadliest Catch? Almost all of the crab meat that gets shipped elsewhere is cooked and flash frozen right after it's caught. Something about the inability to keep it fresh for very long if it's dead and raw.

So if you're on the east coast like I am and you're eating crab legs - they were caught, cooked, and frozen long before they ever got to the restaurant. Then they're steamed, but that just reheats them.


Interesting..
 
2012-06-22 08:49:02 PM
In my area, both RL and OG are perfectly serviceable, but I can happen to know where I can find seafood and Italian for half of what I'd pay at those two with better-tasting grub. Maybe what their company is finding out is that with the financial strain on the average American household budget during this economic doldrum, there are competing restaurants in their markets that are a better value for the buck.
 
2012-06-22 08:49:20 PM

Omahawg: better dressing than olive garden. make it at home any time you please

Short Stop Italian salad dressing:

1 Cup Sugar
2 T Salt
2/3 Cup Water
1 1/2 Cup Cider Vinegar
1 T Parsley
2 Cloves Garlic (minced)
Capers (I use a couple of Tablespoons)
Mix the above and let sit at least 1/2 hour.

Then add:

1 Cup oil
Stir and refrigerate. If oil gets thick let set out 1/2 hour before using.


i should give credit where that's from. ain't many italians left in little italy no more, no more.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-22 08:50:49 PM

kidsizedcoffin: styckx: berylman: styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.

Oh yeah I saw that this morning and was thinking alike laughing. I would really like to sit in on their marketing team meetings. It's like their subtly mocking their clientele. Golden Corral, we know you have no dignity left so come on down.

I really want to go there and stick my wang in the chocolate wonderfall and cause a scene for lulz but I would probably end up tased to death.

Dude, people dip steak and meatloaf in that fountain and not for jokes either. Link

shiat, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.


Never thought I'd see a Beastie Boys reference in a thread about Red Lobster and Olive Garden, but there it is. Kudoes to you, good sir/madam.
 
2012-06-22 08:52:17 PM
i'm an idiot and posted the wrong place. because i am an idiot. my apologies.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-22 08:53:18 PM
Why go to Red Lobster when I can go to any decent buffet and eat crabs legs/lobster all night long, in fact as much as I can eat
 
2012-06-22 08:54:06 PM

KOOLmike: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: KOOLmike: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.
When you know where all the independent restaurants or hole-in-the-wall joints are in town, the chains just don't cut it.
Here in KC, I don't understand why anyone would eat at On the Border when there is better, more authentic Mexican faire such as El Maguey or Manny's, often with lower prices than OTB. Same goes for Italian-- why spend a fortune eating at Carrabba's when V's or Garozzo's has much better food? It might sound snobby, and that's okay, but there's no way anyone can say with a straight face that the food is better at those chain restaurants.

Im not even sure if it was a national chain, but if it was add Cooker's to that list.

Hmm, never heard of Cooker's. What type of food did they claim to serve?

It was one of those applebee/ tgi friday like places. Dont remember too much about them they closed down when i was like 12

Ah, sounds like the Bennigan's that were around when I was a kid growing up in the Detroit area.

There's a fairly chain joint here in KC called Cheddars. Yet another place like Applebee's that basically serves glorified bar food. Fam and I tried it and it wasn't too bad, and the prices were reasonable. I'd probably consider it again if the kids requested we go there, but I don't think it will be my or the wife's first choice.


Everytime I see a Cheddar's I keep feeling like it serves all of it's food drenched in velveeta style cheddar cheese... And that just makes me want to eat there even more.
 
2012-06-22 09:00:44 PM

DocFarker: How do a bunch of honkie crakers turn an article about Red Lobster and Olive Garden loosing business in piss poor economic times into a race issue?


Welcome to Fark
 
2012-06-22 09:03:15 PM

Omahawg: KOOLmike: Omahawg: better dressing than olive garden. make it at home any time you please

Short Stop Italian salad dressing:

1 Cup Sugar
2 T Salt
2/3 Cup Water
1 1/2 Cup Cider Vinegar
1 T Parsley
2 Cloves Garlic (minced)
Capers (I use a couple of Tablespoons)
Mix the above and let sit at least 1/2 hour.

Then add:

1 Cup oil
Stir and refrigerate. If oil gets thick let set out 1/2 hour before using.

Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?


No, I'm not much of a cook if it doesn't involve a smoke pit, and had never heard of them. I Googled, then C&P'ed your recipe and texted it to the wife. She's intrigued, thanks for posting.
 
2012-06-22 09:03:59 PM

Rufus Lee King: Speaking of crabs: When I worked in a seafood restaurant in Charleston, SC quite a few tourists would ask if the Alaskan king crabs were caught locally. They weren't kidding, either. Sure, they were caught locally. We caught them in boxes from a huge freezer in Shallotte, NC!


That's like asking if Chilean Sea Bass is caught in Chile.
 
2012-06-22 09:04:33 PM

KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.


Say what you will, but Chi-Chi's chimichanga remains one of my favorite dishes, and I've never found anyone that does it remotely the same as they did. Nobody gets the sauce or the consistency of the cheese right.

No, it ain't "real" Mexican food, but I've had real Mexican food and it's severely overrated. The Americanized version adds some flavor.

Anyway, I'm sad that Chi-Chi's is gone. There are none left in Michigan that I know of, and I assume the chain is long-since dead.
 
2012-06-22 09:06:52 PM
I like olive garden..service was a lot better then other places..women was really attentive
 
2012-06-22 09:09:22 PM

9beers: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

That's not racism, it's a fact. The last time I was in a Red Lobster, it was about 75% black and that's in an area where blacks make up 10% of the population at most. Brothers will drive their asses off for some bad seafood.


I went to a Red Lobster in a black neighborhood once so I'm getting a kick out of your replies.
 
2012-06-22 09:09:43 PM
I've never been to an Olive Garden. My Italian mother would spin in her grave (if she had one - maybe dust up in her urn?) if I ever went there.

But I have been to Red Lobster a few times. Last time was years ago when the whole family went for the "All you can eat Crab misguided promotion that got the VP fired" special. I think our table of four ate 25lbs of crab, probably more, and the damn place was PACKED. All you could hear from every table including ours was cracking and mmmmmm. Never saw the need to go back again when they said they'd never do that promotion again.

/make my own version of their cheddar garlic biscuits
 
2012-06-22 09:09:57 PM

ZeroCorpse: KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.

Say what you will, but Chi-Chi's chimichanga remains one of my favorite dishes, and I've never found anyone that does it remotely the same as they did. Nobody gets the sauce or the consistency of the cheese right.

No, it ain't "real" Mexican food, but I've had real Mexican food and it's severely overrated. The Americanized version adds some flavor.

Anyway, I'm sad that Chi-Chi's is gone. There are none left in Michigan that I know of, and I assume the chain is long-since dead.


Chi-Chi's was the best troll restaurant ever. Nothing ever beat randomly picking out one of your friends, taking a piss, then telling the waitress it's your friends birthday today.

10 minutes later

Happy happy happy birthday happy happy happy birthday happy happy happy birthday to you. to you. to you. ole
 
2012-06-22 09:12:27 PM
photos.igougo.com

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-22 09:12:34 PM
www.usmagazine.com

TO THE RESCUE!!!!
 
2012-06-22 09:13:12 PM
My local real Italian restaurant. Awesome doesn't come close to describing it.

Link
 
2012-06-22 09:13:45 PM

AbortionsForAll: ongbok: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

It's even funnier watching the trailer trash white folks like you that go there dressed in your best CAT hat and flannel laughing at them when everybody already knows the real joke is that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to an upscale restaurant.

Just so you know, your reply was vastly inferior to the statement which you were answering (on multiple levels - humor, accuracy, etc.).


Agreed.
2/10 at best
 
2012-06-22 09:17:44 PM

bim1154: The last time I was in a Red Lobster, it smelled like very bad pussy.


Yeah, the last time we went to a RL, which was like 2 -years- ago, I wasn't very impressed at all, especially with that big ass bill they brought me.
The wife always loved eating there as a kid, but that was her last time, made her sick as a dog.

Olive Garden we ate at a couple of times. It was "OK", but I could probably do better at home. Service was nice though.

Five Guys put us in the hospital one time. Myself, my wife and my then 3-year old. They had to put me on IV fluids.
Never went back there again, ever. If I look at a Five Guys while driving by, it makes me sick.
Most likely some nasty bastard back there making burgers who couldn't wash his hands properly.

In the last year, we've been to Checkers, BK, Sonic and McD's. Mostly for the kids, because what parent doesn't let the kids have McD's or the like once or twice a month?
The wife and I usually just have a drink. If we do eat anything there, it's either a burger by itself (no fries, etc) or in the case of McD's, I've been guilty of getting a medium milkshake.
 
2012-06-22 09:21:06 PM

styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.


I used to work in a Sveden House restaurant. It was a smorgasbord (using the term loosely. It was really just a run-of-the-mill buffet), and every Sunday all the absolute fattest people in the tri-city area would drop in, pay their $5.00 a head (this was the 80s), and stay there ALL DAY, eating like pigs.

It was disgusting. I'm not just talking about your average fat people, here. I'm talking about the kind of people who need two chairs... The kind of people who have to wash with a rag on a stick... The kind of people who probably have car keys and missing household pets stuck within their folds of fat.

And these heifers would load up their plates with everything at once. Mashed potatoes with chocolate sauce? You bet! Swedish Meatballs covered in nacho cheese? Oh, yes! Beef gravy milkshakes? They did it. An entire plate heaped with Jell-O and corn? Yes, they did that, too. Getting their coffee in a bowl? Yes. Filling a plastic cup with chili, water, and cheese, and then drinking it? Yes, they did this, too.

Barfing on the table and shiatting on the floor in the restroom? That was them, as well. One time, I even found a plate full of chicken bones in a stall, on the floor next to the toilet... Some porker waddled in there with a pile of fried chicken and sat there crapping and eating for what must have been at least 15 minutes. Possibly more. It was a lot of chicken bones. I think it might have been the equivalent of a chicken and a half. And the bones were cracked, too. They sucked the marrow out of at least some of them. ...All while taking a dump.

The place was horrific. It was almost 30 years ago, and I still occasionally have nightmares about it. And the worst thing about it was the the owner had a strict rule: No bussing the tables until the whole party leaves. That meant the mess piled up in the middle of the table, and under it, and on the floor next to chairs... All while these people stayed for hours and hours, eating more food in a day than some people eat in a month.

So the chocolate fountain at Golden Corral doesn't bother me. It has nothing on the Sveden House.
 
2012-06-22 09:23:26 PM

kidsizedcoffin: Rufus Lee King: Speaking of crabs: When I worked in a seafood restaurant in Charleston, SC quite a few tourists would ask if the Alaskan king crabs were caught locally. They weren't kidding, either. Sure, they were caught locally. We caught them in boxes from a huge freezer in Shallotte, NC!

That's like asking if Chilean Sea Bass is caught in Chile.


makeapowerfulpoint.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-22 09:24:42 PM
This is what a kitchen in an average Red Lobster looks like.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-22 09:29:32 PM
meh

also, what the fark are you people on about regarding the restaurant is always full of people of the ethnicity or race you dislike?
 
2012-06-22 09:32:15 PM

ZeroCorpse:

I used to work in a Sveden House restaurant..


you must have an iron stomach

I'd have vomited right into the middle of the table watching these things

did you ever offer someone a wafer thin mint, just in the vain hope they'd pop?
 
2012-06-22 09:33:00 PM

Biv: Indubitably: How does a thread about food go racism?

Oh, yeah.

Racists and perceptions.

Color me surprised.

;)

What color is that? I want to make fun of you.


It doesn't matter, friend, for skinned, I'm as meaty as human is.

Well, I may be meatier than some, but that doesn't change the equation...

And when I say meat, I mean muscle-meat. Sure, I got fat; you do or you die, so goes the human at this rate...
 
2012-06-22 09:33:01 PM
I figure the people who like Red Lobster or Olive Garden either:

1) Don't have any other options in their area.
2) Haven't ever had decent quality/tasting food of the respective food type.
3) Simply don't know better due to either 1 and/or 2.

I have no problems with chain restaurants, although many of them are terrible. Some are decent though. However, many of them are reasonably priced so I can see why people would eat there - for economic reasons. For the life of me I don't know why anyone would pay $30 a plate at Red Lobster when you can go to an upscale restaurant and get a MUCH MUCH MUCH better entree for the same price. You might get less food, but the quality is so much higher. Do you really need all you can eat anything?

Olive Garden just microwaves frozen meals so I don't why anyone would eat there, it's really repulsive. I don't really care if it's authentic Italian food or not as this is not a concern for me, what concerns me is that is extremely low quality and tastes bad.

And as much as I despise a place like Denny's, I can at least see why someone would eat there if you can get a meal for $3 or whatever. I refuse to step foot in the place, but it's more reasonable to me than paying high prices for low quality.
 
2012-06-22 09:38:17 PM

Eeyore004: John Buck 41: Been to OG twice. Dragged there once by an ex, met a blind date the 2nd time. Never again. RL? Not so bad. Always enjoyed it. Wish they were still here (Bangor ME)

Wait, the Bangor OG closed? Where will the kids go on prom night if they can't afford the gas to get to Dysart's?


Nope. The RL closed. Quite a few years ago. There's still an Applebee's just up the street (and across from) OG.
 
2012-06-22 09:40:10 PM
people realized they could be their own microwave technician at home for a quarter of the cost?
 
2012-06-22 09:40:50 PM

highwayrun: I should be in the kitchen: highwayrun: I should be in the kitchen: I still tease my mom about the first time she and dad came to visit me in Vegas, nearly ten years ago now. They had offered to take my then-husband and I out to dinner and she suggested Olive Garden.

Who goes to Vegas to eat at the freakin' Olive Garden?

I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere, the little old man strolling around with his accordion and the all-you-can-drink house wine kick Olive Garden's ass any day.

I know, right? All kinds of choices to love in Vegas. You could be eating at the King's Buffet at the Excalibur or the Starchstravaganza at the Imperial Palace or Rewarmed Taco Night at the El Cortez.

I wouldn't know, I don't eat at buffets.

Funny thing about this city, there are nearly 2 million people in the metro area and we don't live on the Strip. It's not like there would be, you know, food options that cater to locals and tourists beyond the starch-bloated Midwestern Land Whales.

Think Imma hit the little family-owned Greek place by my house for dinner.

I did eat at buffets when I lived there. While some (the Rio, Paris) are better than others (the Orleans, Imperial Palace) they all tend to mediocre, which isn't surprising when you consider to whom they're marketing, namely gullible tourists.

I do have to say, though, Mr. Or Ms. Kitchen, that the best sushi I've ever had, hands down, was on Spring Mountain about a mile off the Strip.


Oh yeah, Chinatown! Awesome sushi places there, as long as they're actually Japanese owned and not Korean. I've had some damn fine Pho down there too.

Some good sushi places out in the 'burbs too, it seems like no matter which side if town you're on there's decent sushi nearby
 
2012-06-22 09:43:39 PM
I used to love going to Red Lobster for those little baked shrimp scampi dishes, and the cheddar biscuits.

But, ever since I figured out how to make both myself, and how damn easy it was, I don't think I'll ever go back.

You have to drag me into an Olive Garden... I've never been pleased with the food at those places, and they're always so crowded and noisy it makes me want to pull an 'Arnold In Kindergarten Cop' in the middle of dinner. My family, however loves those kind of places, so whenever we get together it's Olive Garden/Red Lobster/Red Robin/Applebees...

/Ok, and occasionally Black Angus... They're OK...
 
2012-06-22 09:44:03 PM

Omahawg: better dressing than olive garden. make it at home any time you please

Short Stop Italian salad dressing:

1 Cup Sugar
2 T Salt
2/3 Cup Water
1 1/2 Cup Cider Vinegar
1 T Parsley
2 Cloves Garlic (minced)
Capers (I use a couple of Tablespoons)
Mix the above and let sit at least 1/2 hour.

Then add:

1 Cup oil
Stir and refrigerate. If oil gets thick let set out 1/2 hour before using.


A whole cup of sugar? That seems... excessive...

/Also, I go to olive garden occasionally to get two meals, a few bowls of soup and whatever I ordered as leftover.
 
2012-06-22 09:44:33 PM
Certain members of my family, whose names are best left unsaid, love Olive Garden. I had the misfortune of sitting through a birthday dinner there a few weeks ago, it was a 45 minute wait for a table. A few days later I found a mom and pop Italian restaurant in the same town that not only had the best manicotti I've ever had, they were practically empty that night. On the way home I drove by Olive Garden and sure enough, the parking lot is packed and I see people standing by the door waiting to get in.

I don't want to live in this country anymore.
 
2012-06-22 09:45:47 PM

Funk Brothers: This is what a kitchen in an average Red Lobster looks like.
[i.imgur.com image 507x377]


Oh Christ, that looks like it's from Silent farking Hill.
 
2012-06-22 09:46:01 PM
Ersatz food for ersatz people.
 
2012-06-22 09:48:14 PM

DocFarker: ZombiesYall: Hey, is this the thread where we brag about being too high-class to eat at chain restaurants?

Yelp, but you can only brag if your white though..


I'm more of a pinkish-beige, does this disqualify me?
 
2012-06-22 09:48:45 PM

ZeroCorpse: styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.

I used to work in a Sveden House restaurant. It was a smorgasbord (using the term loosely. It was really just a run-of-the-mill buffet), and every Sunday all the absolute fattest people in the tri-city area would drop in, pay their $5.00 a head (this was the 80s), and stay there ALL DAY, eating like pigs.

It was disgusting. I'm not just talking about your average fat people, here. I'm talking about the kind of people who need two chairs... The kind of people who have to wash with a rag on a stick... The kind of people who probably have car keys and missing household pets stuck within their folds of fat.

And these heifers would load up their plates with everything at once. Mashed potatoes with chocolate sauce? You bet! Swedish Meatballs covered in nacho cheese? Oh, yes! Beef gravy milkshakes? They did it. An entire plate heaped with Jell-O and corn? Yes, they did that, too. Getting their coffee in a bowl? Yes. Filling a plastic cup with chili, water, and cheese, and then drinking it? Yes, they did this, too.

Barfing on the table and shiatting on the floor in the restroom? That was them, as well. One time, I even found a plate full of chicken bones in a stall, on the floor next to the toilet... Some porker waddled in there with a pile of fried chicken and sat there crapping and eating for what must have been at least 15 minutes. Possibly more. It was a lot of chicken bones. I think it might have been the equivalent of a chicken and a half. And the bones were cracked, too. They sucked the marrow out of at least some of them. ...All while taking a dump.

The place was horrific. It was almost 30 years ago, and I still occasionally have nightmares about it. And the worst thing about it was the the owner had a strict rule: No bussing the tables until the whole party leaves. That meant the mess piled up in the middle of the table, and under it, and on the floor next to chairs... All while these people stayed for hours and hours, eating more food in a day than some people eat in a month.

So the chocolate fountain at Golden Corral doesn't bother me. It has nothing on the Sveden House.


WTF!!!!!
I have worked in a few restaurants in my day but WTF!!!!
 
2012-06-22 09:50:33 PM
I find it sadly amusing that a thread bashing Olive Garden/Red Lobster will get about the same number of comments as a thread praising Taco Bell's new Doritos taco shells.
 
2012-06-22 09:53:54 PM

Funk Brothers: This is what a kitchen in an average Red Lobster looks like.
[i.imgur.com image 507x377]


Meat-slime?
 
2012-06-22 09:54:40 PM

Indubitably: Funk Brothers: This is what a kitchen in an average Red Lobster looks like.
[i.imgur.com image 507x377]

Meat-slime?


P.S. It's pink.
 
2012-06-22 09:54:40 PM
www.copykat.com

The only reason I'll still eat at Red Lobster.

Though with some Bisquick you can make better ones at home that aren't nearly as salty.

/I also love their coconut shrimp
//Judge me, I don't care!
///Yes, I've had good seafood. Maryland and South Carolina. Delicious.
 
2012-06-22 09:56:24 PM

Jurodan: Omahawg: better dressing than olive garden. make it at home any time you please

Short Stop Italian salad dressing:

1 Cup Sugar
2 T Salt
2/3 Cup Water
1 1/2 Cup Cider Vinegar
1 T Parsley
2 Cloves Garlic (minced)
Capers (I use a couple of Tablespoons)
Mix the above and let sit at least 1/2 hour.

Then add:

1 Cup oil
Stir and refrigerate. If oil gets thick let set out 1/2 hour before using.

A whole cup of sugar? That seems... excessive...

/Also, I go to olive garden occasionally to get two meals, a few bowls of soup and whatever I ordered as leftover.


I could see a tablespoon of sugar but damn...a cup? And no pepper? or Parmesan?
 
2012-06-22 09:56:35 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Funk Brothers: This is what a kitchen in an average Red Lobster looks like.
[i.imgur.com image 507x377]

Meat-slime?

P.S. It's pink. How do you color that, haters of color? We're all pink, mans. Come on.

 
2012-06-22 09:56:39 PM
I think I can make better crab legs with frozen stuff I buy at the grocery store. I do wish I had a restaurant pressure steamer but still...
 
2012-06-22 09:56:52 PM

Optimus Composite: Certain members of my family, whose names are best left unsaid, love Olive Garden. I had the misfortune of sitting through a birthday dinner there a few weeks ago, it was a 45 minute wait for a table. A few days later I found a mom and pop Italian restaurant in the same town that not only had the best manicotti I've ever had, they were practically empty that night. On the way home I drove by Olive Garden and sure enough, the parking lot is packed and I see people standing by the door waiting to get in.

I don't want to live in this country anymore.


Olive Garden has better marketing, and people will believe marketing, even if it's offal
 
2012-06-22 09:58:14 PM
Fark has way too many hipsters these days.

Id say its more interesting that the slightly more expensive than normal restaurants are doing bad. People are tightening their belts.
 
2012-06-22 10:00:45 PM

9beers: MrHappyRotter: Red Lobster == DISGUSTING

It's obviously not the best seafood but I've never had a problem with it when I've been there. If anything is disgusting, it's the people you see there. Most of the time you'd think the Red Lobster was attached to the local Wal-Mart.


I'm sorry, whether it was two, ten or twenty years ago, if a restaurant serves me dried out (but somehow slimey on the outside), tasteless and tiny scallops,. there's a very good chance I'm going to automatically assume their food is nasty. Serve me that same quality food a second time in a row, and I'm going to automatically assume their food is nasty and inedible for the entire span of my natural life. This is especially true for the cost/quality ratio of that chain. The only redeeming quality has been and likely always will be the cheesy biscuits they served, so I pray to God that they haven't done away with that.
 
2012-06-22 10:00:52 PM

TheGreatGazoo: OG and RL both have decent dinner rolls/bread sticks.

The last time I ate at RL it was next to the hotel I was staying at. I got shrimp pasta alfredo (pretty hard to screw up). It was served with the cheese on the top molten and the cheese in the middle raw.


That's because, just like every other chain restaurant, it has its crap already made up and sitting around. You order something? It gets pulled from a rack and stuffed in some kind of heating device like a microwave or oven.
 
2012-06-22 10:04:24 PM
CSB

I almost hooked up with the granddaughter of the founder of Darden Restuarants on spring break.

End CSB

/She was pretty hot
//She has a tattoo, of a red lobster
///surprisingly sexy
 
2012-06-22 10:07:15 PM

9beers: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

That's not racism, it's a fact. The last time I was in a Red Lobster, it was about 75% black and that's in an area where blacks make up 10% of the population at most. Brothers will drive their asses off for some bad seafood.


But it has to be in parties of at least 14 people, a la family reunion. Don't forget that part.
 
2012-06-22 10:08:52 PM
Why do elderly folks love Olive Garden so much? Seems like every time I go by one, there's a flock of 70+ folks waiting outside. Do they get a discount, or did they simply reach the age where they can't taste anything and don't care? Or both?
 
2012-06-22 10:09:55 PM

Omahawg: Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?


Yeah. I don't understand it either. Are they pickled peas or something? What's with the jar of formaldehyde? Who the f*ck would eat that?
 
2012-06-22 10:10:47 PM

HempHead: kidsizedcoffin: Rufus Lee King: Speaking of crabs: When I worked in a seafood restaurant in Charleston, SC quite a few tourists would ask if the Alaskan king crabs were caught locally. They weren't kidding, either. Sure, they were caught locally. We caught them in boxes from a huge freezer in Shallotte, NC!

That's like asking if Chilean Sea Bass is caught in Chile.

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Yeah; the marketing department decided the human race wasn't decimating the world's most endangered commercial fishery fast enough and ordered a name change to rectify the problem...

/try not to eat it, mostly succeed
//pity it's so damn tasty
 
2012-06-22 10:11:39 PM
I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.
 
2012-06-22 10:12:56 PM

Dejah: I like their Zuppa Toscana. Every restaurant has good stuff and bad stuff, I assume.


Link to an excellent Zuppa Toscana copycat recipe; scroll down the page a bit until you get to a review written by someone named Dans La Lune and use that recipe. IMHO, tastes even better than the restaurant version (fresher ingredients & not as salty...)
 
2012-06-22 10:14:04 PM
As someone who grew up in a commercial fishing family and having all sorts of fresh fish, lobster, and clams I have to laugh at people that think RL is decent food. I can get lobster caught the same day which doesn't make any difference since they'll live in the fridge for days. Live clams will last a couple weeks in the fridge. WTF do seafood vendors bother to say fresh clams/lobster? As long as they are alive they taste the same. Eat a dead clam and you'll have your head in the toilet for hours. Haven't had Maine lobster, but would love to compare it to Cape Cod lobster, don' think there would be a difference. Besides I get my lobster free so why bother. Having striped bass ceviche as an appetizer tomorrow, yummmm.
 
2012-06-22 10:15:49 PM

Cup_O_Jo: This company also bought Longhorns and are destroying it.


That sucks. My daughter is taking me, Mrs. Buck, and my parents (her grandparents) there tomorrow. Went to Longhorns a little over a year ago. Enjoyed it.

Also went to the Ground Round about a year ago. My FiL poured ketchup (KETCHUP!) on a ribeye steak. It was all I could do not to jump across the table and strangle him.
 
2012-06-22 10:16:07 PM
I love the disdain for Olive Garden and Red Lobster... as if you are supposed to get high quality cuisine at an Applebess-level chain restaurant. For the $16 or so you'll pay for an entree there, it's acceptable.
 
2012-06-22 10:16:17 PM

ongbok: AbortionsForAll: ongbok: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

It's even funnier watching the trailer trash white folks like you that go there dressed in your best CAT hat and flannel laughing at them when everybody already knows the real joke is that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to an upscale restaurant.

Just so you know, your reply was vastly inferior to the statement which you were answering (on multiple levels - humor, accuracy, etc.).

No it is pretty accurate. After all you seem to know a lot about what type of people frequent Red Lobster. The only way for you to have that type of knowledge on the subject is if you frequent the place quite often yourself, and that would tend to prove the point that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to upscale dinning. Me on the other hand, I have no idea what kind of people frequent either Red Lobster or the Olive Garden because I have never been to a Red Lobster and only been to Olive Garden twice in mt life. Furthermore since I was a child I was taught that if you were going to eat out, you really should look for upscale places to eat.


It's called "living in suburbia", dipshiat. Besides, one visit to Red Lobster is all it takes to realize that you're surrounded by 97% black people (loud obnoxious black people in their fancy best).
 
2012-06-22 10:16:36 PM

urban.derelict: Omahawg: Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?

Yeah. I don't understand it either. Are they pickled peas or something? What's with the jar of formaldehyde? Who the f*ck would eat that?


Respectively: flower buds, it's pickling liquid, and me. It's quintessential to much Mediterranean food, high-end tarter sauces/seafood salads, and most anything with smoked salmon (especially on an everything bagel with cream cheese and red onion). If you're more comfortable with double cheeseburgers though, more power to ya, I guess.
 
2012-06-22 10:16:46 PM
As much as I hear the term "authentic" Italian food, or Mexican food, or whatever else, I've still yet go get an explanation of what it actually consists of.
 
2012-06-22 10:17:22 PM
I like Darden's Bahama Breeze restaurants....wish there were more of them.
 
2012-06-22 10:18:03 PM

Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.


The vegan place that operates below me serves gluten-free non-GMO orginically grown in the U.S. pasta and pasta sauces. They have the most incredible vegan meatballs made with a combination of mycoprotein and soy-based gelatins, you would never know it wasn't beef, aside from how easily it breaks apart in your mouth and the fact that it's a bit saltier and slightly more bland.

Tell me that you can make that for what you describe as "a buck or so worth of stuff". Vegan meatballs alone cost almost $2 per service (I did the math).
 
2012-06-22 10:19:41 PM

John Buck 41: Cup_O_Jo: This company also bought Longhorns and are destroying it.

That sucks. My daughter is taking me, Mrs. Buck, and my parents (her grandparents) there tomorrow. Went to Longhorns a little over a year ago. Enjoyed it.

Also went to the Ground Round about a year ago. My FiL poured ketchup (KETCHUP!) on a ribeye steak. It was all I could do not to jump across the table and strangle him.


Ground Round? Holy shiat they still exist? I remember when I was a kid (I'm 35) I remember dad taking me to the Ground Round and they'd play silent movies on a projector.. Was the coolest shiat.. Then I remember at some point they switched over to attracting Hipsters and turned it into a Sports bar.. Then it closed years ago.
 
2012-06-22 10:20:35 PM

urban.derelict: Omahawg: Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?

Yeah. I don't understand it either. Are they pickled peas or something? What's with the jar of formaldehyde? Who the f*ck would eat that?


I'm astounded that it's possible to make it to adulthood without know what capers are.

I suppose it's possible if you're the type of person who doesn't know that cheese comes in colors other than orange.
 
2012-06-22 10:22:07 PM

Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.


No meat or seafood in italian cuisine evar!
 
2012-06-22 10:22:16 PM

MrHappyRotter: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

The vegan place that operates below me serves gluten-free non-GMO orginically grown in the U.S. pasta and pasta sauces. They have the most incredible vegan meatballs made with a combination of mycoprotein and soy-based gelatins, you would never know it wasn't beef, aside from how easily it breaks apart in your mouth and the fact that it's a bit saltier and slightly more bland.

Tell me that you can make that for what you describe as "a buck or so worth of stuff". Vegan meatballs alone cost almost $2 per service (I did the math).


Mmmm... You're making me hungry just talking about it...
 
2012-06-22 10:22:40 PM

theknuckler_33: I love the disdain for Olive Garden and Red Lobster... as if you are supposed to get high quality cuisine at an Applebess-level chain restaurant. For the $16 or so you'll pay for an entree there, it's acceptable.


Is that sarcasm or are you just unwilling to drive into downtown? I mean, I suppose you specified "Applebess-level" which entails way overpriced, low-quality food, but you can do so much better for $16-$20 an entree in Philly it's not even in the ballpark next to the one it's not even in.

/IMFSO
 
2012-06-22 10:24:49 PM

John Buck 41: My local real Italian restaurant. Awesome doesn't come close to describing it.

Link


Wow, I live in Orono & have never heard of that place. Did it used to be Tesoro?
 
2012-06-22 10:26:06 PM

AbortionsForAll: MrHappyRotter: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

The vegan place that operates below me serves gluten-free non-GMO orginically grown in the U.S. pasta and pasta sauces. They have the most incredible vegan meatballs made with a combination of mycoprotein and soy-based gelatins, you would never know it wasn't beef, aside from how easily it breaks apart in your mouth and the fact that it's a bit saltier and slightly more bland.

Tell me that you can make that for what you describe as "a buck or so worth of stuff". Vegan meatballs alone cost almost $2 per service (I did the math).

Mmmm... You're making me hungry just talking about it...


I love you.
 
2012-06-22 10:26:18 PM

farkityfarker: MeAs much as I hear the term "authentic" Italian food, or Mexican food, or whatever else, I've still yet go get an explanation of what it actually consists of.


Authentic Mexican food involves tortillas, cheese, and refried beans, in various combinations. Oh, and hot sauce. I had some before they put on the hot sauce, it was the blandest stuff imaginable.
 
Rat
2012-06-22 10:28:12 PM

DeusMeh: Rat: /inside voice

I love biscuits and crab alfredo

/inside voice

© don't tell no one I'm honkyish

does the crab alfredo give you the worst shiats ever the next day, too??


Why yes, it does!
 
2012-06-22 10:29:48 PM

misanthropic1: theknuckler_33: I love the disdain for Olive Garden and Red Lobster... as if you are supposed to get high quality cuisine at an Applebess-level chain restaurant. For the $16 or so you'll pay for an entree there, it's acceptable.

Is that sarcasm or are you just unwilling to drive into downtown? I mean, I suppose you specified "Applebess-level" which entails way overpriced, low-quality food, but you can do so much better for $16-$20 an entree in Philly it's not even in the ballpark next to the one it's not even in.

/IMFSO


I've gotten some really good meals in that range in china town and a few mom&pop type places in the burbs, but nothing I'd consider something significantly above what you can get at Red Lobster or Olive Garden. I've had meals in downtown plenty of times and I'd spend close to $16 on a sandwich. I'd really be interested in hearing about the places that you can get a bonafide entree of seafood or steak for $16-20 that you think is significantly better than Olive Garden in center-city.
 
2012-06-22 10:31:11 PM

rustypouch: I'm astounded that it's possible to make it to adulthood without know what capers are.


I worked with a fifty-year-old woman in Huntsville, Alabama who didn't know what a date was.
 
2012-06-22 10:31:47 PM

rustypouch: urban.derelict: Omahawg: Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?

Yeah. I don't understand it either. Are they pickled peas or something? What's with the jar of formaldehyde? Who the f*ck would eat that?

I'm astounded that it's possible to make it to adulthood without know what capers are.

I suppose it's possible if you're the type of person who doesn't know that cheese comes in colors other than orange.


I've memorized the PLU code (4543) for Belgian endive because the clerks always ask me what it is. But a few weeks ago I was buying asparagus and the checkout girl asked, "Is this asparagus?" At least she knew the word.
 
2012-06-22 10:32:05 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: farkityfarker: MeAs much as I hear the term "authentic" Italian food, or Mexican food, or whatever else, I've still yet go get an explanation of what it actually consists of.

Authentic Mexican food involves tortillas, cheese, and refried beans, in various combinations. Oh, and hot sauce. I had some before they put on the hot sauce, it was the blandest stuff imaginable.


You're a riot. Ahem: http://hugosrestaurant.net/

/traditional Mexican is an incredibly diverse, regionally-oriented cuisine
//tex-mex is as you described, give or take some lard and/or beef
 
2012-06-22 10:32:28 PM

rustypouch: I suppose it's possible if you're the type of person who doesn't know that cheese comes in colors other than orange.


I don't want none of that weirdo, stinky (prolly COMMIE) cheese!

I miss DeLaurenti very badly.
 
2012-06-22 10:33:13 PM

Jurodan: Funk Brothers: This is what a kitchen in an average Red Lobster looks like.
[i.imgur.com image 507x377]

Oh Christ, that looks like it's from Silent farking Hill.



I was thinking Saw.
 
2012-06-22 10:36:59 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Lowest common denominator dreck. I'd rather eat dog food.


I've told you a million times--don't exaggerate.
 
2012-06-22 10:38:08 PM

AbortionsForAll: ongbok: AbortionsForAll: ongbok: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

It's even funnier watching the trailer trash white folks like you that go there dressed in your best CAT hat and flannel laughing at them when everybody already knows the real joke is that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to an upscale restaurant.

Just so you know, your reply was vastly inferior to the statement which you were answering (on multiple levels - humor, accuracy, etc.).

No it is pretty accurate. After all you seem to know a lot about what type of people frequent Red Lobster. The only way for you to have that type of knowledge on the subject is if you frequent the place quite often yourself, and that would tend to prove the point that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to upscale dinning. Me on the other hand, I have no idea what kind of people frequent either Red Lobster or the Olive Garden because I have never been to a Red Lobster and only been to Olive Garden twice in mt life. Furthermore since I was a child I was taught that if you were going to eat out, you really should look for upscale places to eat.

It's called "living in suburbia", dipshiat. Besides, one visit to Red Lobster is all it takes to realize that you're surrounded by 97% black people (loud obnoxious black people in their fancy best).


I live in the suburbs also dipshiat, and I have managed not to go to those places. also 1 visit to Red Lobster in your area a person may find it is 97% black people, and you.
 
2012-06-22 10:41:06 PM

theknuckler_33: misanthropic1: theknuckler_33: I love the disdain for Olive Garden and Red Lobster... as if you are supposed to get high quality cuisine at an Applebess-level chain restaurant. For the $16 or so you'll pay for an entree there, it's acceptable.

Is that sarcasm or are you just unwilling to drive into downtown? I mean, I suppose you specified "Applebess-level" which entails way overpriced, low-quality food, but you can do so much better for $16-$20 an entree in Philly it's not even in the ballpark next to the one it's not even in.

/IMFSO

I've gotten some really good meals in that range in china town and a few mom&pop type places in the burbs, but nothing I'd consider something significantly above what you can get at Red Lobster or Olive Garden. I've had meals in downtown plenty of times and I'd spend close to $16 on a sandwich. I'd really be interested in hearing about the places that you can get a bonafide entree of seafood or steak for $16-20 that you think is significantly better than Olive Garden in center-city.


I'll level with ya; I have not been to Philly in the better part of a decade, so I wouldn't doubt prices have gone up, and I was with family then and not sticking to a strict budget (though did include some of the best Italian I can recall eating). However, a quick glance at urbanspoon yields a lot of pretty highly rated restaurants with a $10-15 entree range, including quite a bit of seafood. East coast isn't really my area of expertise (haven't lived there since I was a kid), but it would appear there's a lot there to explore for not that much money, if you're willing to dig/drive...

/I realize sometimes convince trumps quality
 
2012-06-22 10:44:33 PM
What exactly is a dipshiat?

Most other insults have some meaning. fark? That's sex. biatch? A person having the less desirable qualities of a female dog. God Damn? Well that one doesn't make sense either. But that's not the point. My point is, what's a dipshiat. Yes I know Farkfilterwilleatmypostbecauseidaredincludeaworthhatstartswithshandrhy meswithit.
 
2012-06-22 10:46:10 PM

OnlyM3: meat0918

Could it be that Americans
...don't think the economy is doing as great as this idiot does.
[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]


Dude, fark off. Who brings politics into a farking Red Lobster thread?
 
2012-06-22 10:46:29 PM

Trackball: Olive Garden is the worst crap on the face of the planet.


Nah. it's not.

I've been waiting tables/cooking/managing for small Italian restaurants since I was 18, and while I HATE corporate chains, they (Olive Garden) do have a formula that's not horrible. The salad and breadstick thing at the beginning of the meal works. I like their salad dressing and their breadsticks, although I assume the breadsticks are frozen and shipped in and the salad dressing comes in in one-gallon bottles. But both end up being pretty good (I am a foodie).

The breadsticks are way oversalted though, and often inconsistent (sometimes too oily, sometimes dry, sometimes cold/lukewarm, sometimes perfectly hot).

The reason I don't hate Olive Garden is that whomever came up with their marinara did a good job. I have worked for mom-n-pop places that had marinara that was too bitter or too sweet or too over-used and the consistency of Olive Garden marinara (probably also shipped in frozen in reheatable bags) isn't bad on the whole.

Big chains can afford to throw away marinara (which has to be served within the first 48 hours of making/reconstituting) have an advantage here. Marinara's like beer, it can't be held at temperature too long, and after 28 years in the restaurant business I give them a thumbs up for that along with the salad and breadsticks.

They a'aight.

/No, have never worked for them.
//Red Lobster is a far more difficult deal what with all that frozen seafood... nah. Cardboardy. The biscuits are good.
 
2012-06-22 10:50:30 PM

MrHappyRotter: What exactly is a dipshiat?

Most other insults have some meaning. fark? That's sex. biatch? A person having the less desirable qualities of a female dog. God Damn? Well that one doesn't make sense either. But that's not the point. My point is, what's a dipshiat. Yes I know Farkfilterwilleatmypostbecauseidaredincludeaworthhatstartswithshandrhy meswithit.


My parents liked to use the word "shiat-hook". Get back to me when you figure that one out.
 
2012-06-22 10:52:25 PM

macadamnut: I've memorized the PLU code (4543) for Belgian endive because the clerks always ask me what it is. But a few weeks ago I was buying asparagus and the checkout girl asked, "Is this asparagus?" At least she knew the word.


I bought some fennel bulbs and the checkout guy asked me if it was celery.
 
2012-06-22 10:56:42 PM

macadamnut: MrHappyRotter: What exactly is a dipshiat?

Most other insults have some meaning. fark? That's sex. biatch? A person having the less desirable qualities of a female dog. God Damn? Well that one doesn't make sense either. But that's not the point. My point is, what's a dipshiat. Yes I know Farkfilterwilleatmypostbecauseidaredincludeaworthhatstartswithshandrhy meswithit.

My parents liked to use the word "shiat-hook". Get back to me when you figure that one out.


Like you've never had a turd grow so long that it started to curl back around after it came out your ass, hooking back around and squishing in you in the left ass cheek.
 
2012-06-22 10:56:43 PM

misanthropic1: However, a quick glance at urbanspoon yields a lot of pretty highly rated restaurants with a $10-15 entree range


What is 'highly rated'? I see a couple Olive Garden's in the 80% range and Red Lobsters in the upper 70's. People tend to rate OK food that is cheap pretty high. For God's sake, Tony Luke's is rated 87% on that site and it's a steak sandwich place!

I'm no expert on center city Philly, but outside of 'pubs', I'd say the City Tavern is a reasonably priced place. Obviously just one random dude's opinion, but I'd consider it a place with food well above an Olive Garden or Red Lobster and once you get into seafood or beef on their menu, you are looking at $24.95 or higher. I had rack of lamb there for $34.95 on my birthday and it was out of this world. If I'm getting an entree for less than $20 that is beef or seafood, I won't expect it to be much better than the chains.
 
2012-06-22 10:57:52 PM

TravisBickle62: I don't really want authentic ethnic food, because most of the world's people are dirt poor and they eat shiat.

So if you want a really authentic ethnic meal, you are going to get served up a plate of shiat.



Doesn't get more ignorant than this

Gotta love Americans
 
2012-06-22 10:58:27 PM
I've never understood the love for OG's bread sticks. They're elongated dinner rolls, FFS, you can buy them in the frozen section of any grocery store and heat them up in your oven at home, sprinkling some garlic salt on them to make them authentic or whatever. I really don't get it...and I'm all about the bread basket when it's good bread but the OG sticks aren't even worth eating to me.

/Remembers a few times going to RL as a kid and not eating dinner b/c filled up on biscuits...
 
2012-06-22 10:59:56 PM
American appetite for authentic Italian foods and high-class seafood cuisine dwindles

I went to lunch today at a place called Ozzie's Corner Italian. I ordered the short rib ragu.

The meat was perfectly braised; it would fall apart at the slightest touch of my fork. The short rib, in case you're ignorant, is one of the most flavorful parts of bovines. On this dish, that flavor shone through. The mascarpone polenta was creamy, slightly sweet. The sauce, a nice demi glace, was a wonderful accent.

The amount of food on the plate was perfect; I didn't feel like a fatass after devouring it, yet it filled me up quite nicely.

Oh, and it only cost $15.

So go to the Olive Garden and pay more for a plate that has half the flavor and is bulked up by pasta, which by itself does a great job of bulking up your fat stores too. And enjoy your crappy leftovers when the blood sugar spike from the cheap food passes and your body suddenly decides it's starving.
 
2012-06-22 10:59:59 PM

misanthropic1: theknuckler_33: I love the disdain for Olive Garden and Red Lobster... as if you are supposed to get high quality cuisine at an Applebess-level chain restaurant. For the $16 or so you'll pay for an entree there, it's acceptable.

Is that sarcasm or are you just unwilling to drive into downtown? I mean, I suppose you specified "Applebess-level" which entails way overpriced, low-quality food, but you can do so much better for $16-$20 an entree in Philly it's not even in the ballpark next to the one it's not even in.

/IMFSO


I don't get the point of going to those places when Perkins, Embers, IHOP, and other places serve the same food for 2/3 of the price. The main difference between that and the Applebee's level is that the latter servers alcohol.

Example- why does anybody go to Olive Garden instead of Fazoli's?
 
2012-06-22 11:01:25 PM

macadamnut: MrHappyRotter: What exactly is a dipshiat?

Most other insults have some meaning. fark? That's sex. biatch? A person having the less desirable qualities of a female dog. God Damn? Well that one doesn't make sense either. But that's not the point. My point is, what's a dipshiat. Yes I know Farkfilterwilleatmypostbecauseidaredincludeaworthhatstartswithshandrhy meswithit.

My parents liked to use the word "shiat-hook". Get back to me when you figure that one out.


Your parents are into ass-play.
 
2012-06-22 11:01:52 PM

intelligent comment below: Doesn't get more ignorant than this

Gotta love Americans



Yeah, the retarded 90% of us fark it up for the rest of us.
 
2012-06-22 11:02:24 PM
I haven't been to Red Lobster in forever they do have good biscuits


Cheddar Bay Biscuits


Makes: 20 biscuits

Ingredients:

4 cups baking mix
3 ounces Cheddar cheese, shredded
1 1/3 cups water
1/2 cup melted butter
1 teaspoon garlic powder
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/8 teaspoon onion powder
1/8 teaspoon dried parsley
Directions:

Preheat oven to 375 degrees F (190 degrees C). Line a baking sheet with parchment paper.

In a mixing bowl, combine the baking mix, cheese, and water. Mix until dough is firm. Using a small scoop, place dough on the prepared pan.

Bake at 375 degrees F (190 degrees C) for 10 to 12 minutes, or until golden brown.

Combine the melted butter, garlic powder, salt, onion powder and parsley. Brush over baked biscuits immediately upon removing from oven.

Nutritional Info:

Amount Per Serving Calories: 139 | Total Fat: 6.3g | Cholesterol: 17mg Powered by ESHA Nutrient Database

Source: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/cheddar-bay-biscuits/
 
2012-06-22 11:03:57 PM
screw you guys, i love the olive garden. i go there a couple times a year and i've never had a bad experience. i've also been to more "authentic" local italian places and the food was 1) more expensive 2) took longer to arrive at my table and 3) tasted just about the same as olive garden's food anyway, so why bother? olive garden used to have this shrimp ravioli in garlic sauce stuff and my god it was the most delicious thing i've ever had in my life.
 
2012-06-22 11:07:57 PM

MrEricSir: Why do elderly folks love Olive Garden so much? Seems like every time I go by one, there's a flock of 70+ folks waiting outside. Do they get a discount, or did they simply reach the age where they can't taste anything and don't care? Or both?


They feel comfortable there. No big screen TVs and visual assaults like a sports bar. No Loud music so you have to shout.
It's not just Olive Garden; Go into most 'hipster places'. And older person would feel wildly out of place there. Be aware of your surroundings...and you'll see the places you go are also frequented by people in your same age group.
 
2012-06-22 11:17:52 PM

Fromageball: I've never understood the love for OG's bread sticks. They're elongated dinner rolls, FFS, you can buy them in the frozen section of any grocery store and heat them up in your oven at home, sprinkling some garlic salt on them to make them authentic or whatever. I really don't get it...and I'm all about the bread basket when it's good bread but the OG sticks aren't even worth eating to me.

/Remembers a few times going to RL as a kid and not eating dinner b/c filled up on biscuits...


Probably because the breadsticks are free.

And pretty good for reconstituted, oiled and salted breadsticks.

/And yes on Red Lobster hot cheese biscuits. They are pretty damn good. I like them better than the meal I am gonna get so when I do go there I order something I assume the cook is going to sautee, like shrimp scampi. Still frozen, as is all restaurant shrimp, unless you are in Louisiana or Florida or southern Cali or Mexico, but frozen shrimp works.
 
2012-06-22 11:21:14 PM

Biner: jshine: lots of tasty things have come from ethnic food being adapted to local tastes

"Mexican" food served in Northern New Mexico is a great case in point.

/ NM green chile FTW!


My favorite kind of "Chinese" food is chifa, which is what Perú did to Chinese food. Some of the ingredients from China weren't available, so immigrants had to substitute ingredients native to South America. It's probably different in other ways, too. I don't have enough experience with authentic Chinese cuisine to say. I just know it's damn tasty. If you ever get to Perú, chifa and ceviche are two things you should definitely try.

Oh, and lomo saltado, of course.

Speaking of South America, my favorite Mexican restaurant in the world is in Chile, but the people who run it are from México, so I'm not sure what that means.
 
2012-06-22 11:21:24 PM
Perceive better?

Love works, mans.

Love energy is stronger than field energy.

You'll see.

Maybe without me?

;)
 
2012-06-22 11:21:50 PM

theknuckler_33: misanthropic1: However, a quick glance at urbanspoon yields a lot of pretty highly rated restaurants with a $10-15 entree range

What is 'highly rated'? I see a couple Olive Garden's in the 80% range and Red Lobsters in the upper 70's. People tend to rate OK food that is cheap pretty high. For God's sake, Tony Luke's is rated 87% on that site and it's a steak sandwich place!

I'm no expert on center city Philly, but outside of 'pubs', I'd say the City Tavern is a reasonably priced place. Obviously just one random dude's opinion, but I'd consider it a place with food well above an Olive Garden or Red Lobster and once you get into seafood or beef on their menu, you are looking at $24.95 or higher. I had rack of lamb there for $34.95 on my birthday and it was out of this world. If I'm getting an entree for less than $20 that is beef or seafood, I won't expect it to be much better than the chains.


Fair enough, I'm not an east coast guy and it's been a while. I generally don't trust most restaurants with protein-centric dinners, just because it's so much cheaper to do it at home, and I have a good charcoal grill and know how to use it (even many of the decent joints get it sub-par; rack of lamb is an art, and nothing makes me sadder than dried-out lobster). So for red meat or seafood, I'm either going big if I'm going out, or going home. Hence, when I'm looking in that price range, I'm looking for something I can't do easily or well, so my outlook on the whole deal is a little different. Plus, I've been living on the west coast and in Texas of late, so I'm kinda spoiled for price vs quality. If you look on the menu to Hugo's I posted up-thread though, you'll see you can get out for ~$20 an entree (though admittedly not for rack of lamb), and that's a James Beard nominated chef. Call me a food snob (it's probably deserved) but I just think anything over $10 an entree is too steep for mediocre chain food, but I'm kinda obsessive when it comes to local/organic/good food (I probably spend over five times more on food than I do on clothes in a year). That said, I've had a lot of meat/seafood entrees that were absolutely awesome for under $20, and I'm kinda picky. As I said though, region probably has a lot to do with it; last years trip to NYC was shockingly expensive, can't imagine Philly is that much better...
 
2012-06-22 11:23:34 PM

Indubitably: Perceive better?

Love works, mans.

Love energy is stronger than field energy.

You'll see.

Maybe without me?

;)


P.S. This relates to Red Lobster in that they might need to slow down and show some love, no?
 
2012-06-22 11:24:13 PM

theknuckler_33: I'd really be interested in hearing about the places that you can get a bonafide entree of seafood or steak for $16-20 that you think is significantly better than Olive Garden in center-city.


There is no such thing as good seafood and steak for that price range.

Seafood: The only way seafood is ever that cheap is if the restaurant is buying stuff that was farmed raised halfway across the world and frozen, and thus, tasteless. Wildly caught fish that has never been frozen is simply expensive because of the costs associated with catching the fish and then transporting to its destination without freezing it. And this isn't the restaurant marking-up the price. Got into any Whole Foods that has a mix of farm raised, frozen, wild caught, etc., and you'll see a huge pricing continuum. Same deal with things like lobster, crab and scallops. They're pretty expensive; only time they're ever cheap is if they've been frozen.

Steak: A steak of quality meat will simply cost in the mid-$20s. The difference between a $16 steak and $26 one is night and day.
 
2012-06-22 11:27:27 PM

Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.


This.

Italian food is overrated.
 
2012-06-22 11:28:59 PM

badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.



Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA
 
2012-06-22 11:34:42 PM
I live in St. Louis. We have a neighborhood call The Hill with one of the best Italian food outside of NYC and many of them are quite reasonable.... Someone pls shoot me if you ever see me at a R. L or O.G.
Sad thing is there are actually many locals who go to these sorry excuse for Italian food.
 
2012-06-22 11:35:17 PM
Sounds like a lot of fools need to get the fark outta Dodge before Zimmerman gets acquitted.
 
2012-06-22 11:36:59 PM

theknuckler_33: misanthropic1: However, a quick glance at urbanspoon yields a lot of pretty highly rated restaurants with a $10-15 entree range

What is 'highly rated'? I see a couple Olive Garden's in the 80% range and Red Lobsters in the upper 70's. People tend to rate OK food that is cheap pretty high. For God's sake, Tony Luke's is rated 87% on that site and it's a steak sandwich place!

I'm no expert on center city Philly, but outside of 'pubs', I'd say the City Tavern is a reasonably priced place. Obviously just one random dude's opinion, but I'd consider it a place with food well above an Olive Garden or Red Lobster and once you get into seafood or beef on their menu, you are looking at $24.95 or higher. I had rack of lamb there for $34.95 on my birthday and it was out of this world. If I'm getting an entree for less than $20 that is beef or seafood, I won't expect it to be much better than the chains.


If City Tavern is your reference point, you need to try more Philly restaurants.

Suggestions that won't break the bank:

Melograno
Parc
Tinto
Zahav
Friday Saturday Sunday
Meme
Shake Shack
 
2012-06-22 11:45:11 PM
Olive Garden tastes straight out of a can and Red Lobster is the Taco Bell of all seafood restaurants. could that have anything to do with it?
 
2012-06-22 11:45:48 PM

badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Then you haven't lived.

All of this is a matter of taste but if I had to rate world cuisines (and I have devoted 28 of my 46 years to it) I give Italian the edge.

I was raised on Irish/English/Grill-a-steak/bake a fish/boil a lobster/clambake American cuisine, I think French is over-buttered and wined, over-played-with pretentious small portions, and I think raw fish sucks (Asian, ugh, too weird) along with the other odd weird things Asians like to eat (okay, I am fine with pork fried rice and hot'n'sour'soup but that's all we get here without paying premiums). I don't wanna remove the fish's eyeballs myself and I don't want sickly bottom-feeders. And seaweed? Ok, small doses. Authentic Asian food is for Asians although it's totally worth sampling here and there.

I started cooking and making my living off Italian food and think they had and have the best of all worlds, and that's why it is my favorite. Seafood, pasta, veggies, spices, all the meats we are familiar with.

I love Mediterranean cuisine though, and have a lot of respect for falafel, hummus, tabouleh, dolmades, etc. Middle-eastern totally works for me.

And then there's Indian food which is a whole different genre. Yum.

And don't even get me started on Tuscan and Neapolitan and pizza.
 
2012-06-22 11:46:22 PM

intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA


No matter where you go, what you get in an Italian place is not much different than what can be bought at a grocery store. just about any one of them, you can go into the frozen food section and find all kinds of bags of "something-alfredo" or "something-parmesiano" or whatever nonsense they do. It might not be the best but the crap in any restaurant sure isn't going to be seven times better to coinside with the price. I love steak. I know quite a few joints that do an awesome job. I complain the same about them. I have to go out to eat because my gf makes me. I can do almost as good for far far far far far less cost at home. So when it comes to restaurants and having to take it in the ass costwise, I am going to to someplace where it takes a little more effort to make my meal than pouring whatever sauce on some pasta or eggplant or chicken. Because in the end, that is the majority of Italian.
 
2012-06-22 11:54:10 PM

Benjimin_Dover: intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA

No matter where you go, what you get in an Italian place is not much different than what can be bought at a grocery store. just about any one of them, you can go into the frozen food section and find all kinds of bags of "something-alfredo" or "something-parmesiano" or whatever nonsense they do. It might not be the best but the crap in any restaurant sure isn't going to be seven times better to coinside with the price. I love steak. I know quite a few joints that do an awesome job. I complain the same about them. I have to go out to eat because my gf makes me. I can do almost as good for far far far far far less cost at home. So when it comes to restaurants and having to take it in the ass costwise, I am going to to someplace where it takes a little more effort to make my meal than pouring whatever sauce on some pasta or eggplant or chicken. Because in the end, that is the majority of Italian.


I should clarify that by "Italian" I'm talking about here in the US. I don't know what they do in Italy. I've never been there. Probably a third of my extended family is Italian and I have eaten at many of their places. Sauce and pastas with some meats and salads. That's it. The population in this metro area is 20% Italian according to census data. It was third behind NYC and Chicago for Mafia activities. It seems they rather like the US version of Italian restaurants too with all the sauce and pastas. So I don't know. I can only comment on what I have observed.
 
2012-06-22 11:55:11 PM
I'll eat at either RL or OG. They're OK and tend to have friendly staff.

The problem is that they charge too much.

I can save $5-$7 on a meal going to a little indie grill with a creative menu. It's cheaper and a lot better. I can also save $10-$12 a meal by eating at some outside taco carts around here. They kick ass.

Further, the taco carts are cheaper than McDonald's or the other fast food places.

When I can get higher quality food for less, that's what I buy. If OG could get me out the door with tax and tip for $8 like my favorite little Chinese place can, I might go.
 
2012-06-22 11:56:27 PM
At one time, I actually believed that each Olive Garden had a chef trained in Tuscany working in the kitchen.
 
2012-06-22 11:57:04 PM

Benjimin_Dover: intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA

No matter where you go, what you get in an Italian place is not much different than what can be bought at a grocery store. just about any one of them, you can go into the frozen food section and find all kinds of bags of "something-alfredo" or "something-parmesiano" or whatever nonsense they do. It might not be the best but the crap in any restaurant sure isn't going to be seven times better to coinside with the price. I love steak. I know quite a few joints that do an awesome job. I complain the same about them. I have to go out to eat because my gf makes me. I can do almost as good for far far far far far less cost at home. So when it comes to restaurants and having to take it in the ass costwise, I am going to to someplace where it takes a little more effort to make my meal than pouring whatever sauce on some pasta or eggplant or chicken. Because in the end, that is the majority of Italian.


Well, really the old world ethos of the cuisine is preserving the purity of quality ingredients (as I've been told, read, and experienced). So, while the preparations are often simple, they walk a fine line and depend on top shelf ingredients... the last part is the hinge; the quality of raw ingredients in Europe (in my experience and that of others' I've talked to) is so much better than the Monsanto mass-ag and factory farm meats we get here (for the most part) that it gets lost in translation. I'd take a food-oriented tour of the country before writing the whole epicurean culture off wholesale. Even then, a good sauce made with care from scratch is still a thing of beauty, even from unremarkable ingredients; do you mostly cook from cans or something?
 
2012-06-22 11:58:29 PM

HempHead: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

Pappadeaux in Texas is the exact same.


I ate at Pappadeux when I was out there for work in Houston. I liked it as a tourist thing. Gigantic black ladies, tasty deep fry, coronary clogging goodness---what's not to like?

Seriously, I'd totaly eat there again, and get the fried skrimps.

/The giant black lady was so fat she needed assistance to get in and out of her chair.
//Yay Houston!
///You sad fat bastards.
 
2012-06-22 11:58:49 PM

Benjimin_Dover: intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA

No matter where you go, what you get in an Italian place is not much different than what can be bought at a grocery store. just about any one of them, you can go into the frozen food section and find all kinds of bags of "something-alfredo" or "something-parmesiano" or whatever nonsense they do. It might not be the best but the crap in any restaurant sure isn't going to be seven times better to coinside with the price. I love steak. I know quite a few joints that do an awesome job. I complain the same about them. I have to go out to eat because my gf makes me. I can do almost as good for far far far far far less cost at home. So when it comes to restaurants and having to take it in the ass costwise, I am going to to someplace where it takes a little more effort to make my meal than pouring whatever sauce on some pasta or eggplant or chicken. Because in the end, that is the majority of Italian.


*sigh*

That is because Italian food is so popular because it is so good that it has been bagged and processed.

/Gonna go buy a bag of pre-marinated burger patties. Love them so much.
//Try following an actual recipe for something as simple as chicken piccata and make it at home. Then you'll see why there are so many Italian pre-prepared in the local grocery store.
 
2012-06-23 12:00:41 AM

Benjimin_Dover:
I should clarify that by "Italian" I'm talking about here in the US. I don't know what they do in Italy. I've never been there. Probably a third of my extended family is Italian and I have eaten at many of their places. Sauce and pastas with some meats and salads. That's it. The population in this metro area is 20% Italian according to census data. It was third behind NYC and Chicago for Mafia activities. It seems they rather like the US version of Italian restaurants too with all the sauce and pastas. So I don't know. I can only comment on what I have observed.


Shoulda refreshed. That said, I've had good Italian in the US, though it largely depends on what type of Italian food you're talking about; it's pretty regional and seasonal, like a lot of places.
 
2012-06-23 12:00:55 AM

dericwater: PF Chang's is the worst mass-market chinese food I've ever been in. It's vile. The food is way over salted and even if they claim no MSG, I leave there with that MSG shake and the tightening of the throat.

Just vile and way too expensive for chinese.


bbsimg.ngfiles.com

i requested NO salt
 
2012-06-23 12:01:50 AM

styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.


Golden Corral, and several near-identical predecessors, was my parents' favorite restaurant. Never do I recall being steered towards a green vegetable on the buffet, nor do I remember either parent ever taking such a thing for themselves.

But Farkers don't let me blame my obesity on anything but lack of exercise/self control, so never mind.
 
2012-06-23 12:03:57 AM

intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA


I think you may be overlooking Boston.
 
2012-06-23 12:05:06 AM

misanthropic1: urban.derelict: Omahawg: Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?

Yeah. I don't understand it either. Are they pickled peas or something? What's with the jar of formaldehyde? Who the f*ck would eat that?

Respectively: flower buds, it's pickling liquid, and me. It's quintessential to much Mediterranean food, high-end tarter sauces/seafood salads, and most anything with smoked salmon (especially on an everything bagel with cream cheese and red onion). If you're more comfortable with double cheeseburgers though, more power to ya, I guess.


a place 'round here used to serve a holsteiner schnitzel: basic schniztel with cream cheese, lox, and capers. best thing ever. nom nom nom
 
2012-06-23 12:07:36 AM

kidsizedcoffin: styckx: Dude, people dip steak and meatloaf in that fountain and not for jokes either. Link

shiat, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.


Only if you've fought for that right.
 
2012-06-23 12:09:10 AM

ZeroCorpse: Anyway, I'm sad that Chi-Chi's is gone. There are none left in Michigan that I know of, and I assume the chain is long-since dead.


RIP Chi-Chi's
 
2012-06-23 12:10:42 AM

Bonzo_1116: HempHead: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

Pappadeaux in Texas is the exact same.

I ate at Pappadeux when I was out there for work in Houston. I liked it as a tourist thing. Gigantic black ladies, tasty deep fry, coronary clogging goodness---what's not to like?

Seriously, I'd totaly eat there again, and get the fried skrimps.

/The giant black lady was so fat she needed assistance to get in and out of her chair.
//Yay Houston!
///You sad fat bastards.


To be fair, there's really not that much to do but eat and drink well (and get stuck in traffic). At least there are some pretty decent options for drinking, and some pretty awesome options for eating (ya can do better than Pappadeaux though).

/born, not raised
 
2012-06-23 12:12:31 AM

kidsizedcoffin: Rufus Lee King: Speaking of crabs: When I worked in a seafood restaurant in Charleston, SC quite a few tourists would ask if the Alaskan king crabs were caught locally. They weren't kidding, either. Sure, they were caught locally. We caught them in boxes from a huge freezer in Shallotte, NC!

That's like asking if Chilean Sea Bass is caught in Chile.


Well, that long flight explains why they're so ill-tempered, you know.
 
2012-06-23 12:12:40 AM

misanthropic1: Benjimin_Dover: intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA

No matter where you go, what you get in an Italian place is not much different than what can be bought at a grocery store. just about any one of them, you can go into the frozen food section and find all kinds of bags of "something-alfredo" or "something-parmesiano" or whatever nonsense they do. It might not be the best but the crap in any restaurant sure isn't going to be seven times better to coinside with the price. I love steak. I know quite a few joints that do an awesome job. I complain the same about them. I have to go out to eat because my gf makes me. I can do almost as good for far far far far far less cost at home. So when it comes to restaurants and having to take it in the ass costwise, I am going to to someplace where it takes a little more effort to make my meal than pouring whatever sauce on some pasta or eggplant or chicken. Because in the end, that is the majority of Italian.

Well, really the old world ethos of the cuisine is preserving the purity of quality ingredients (as I've been told, read, and experienced). So, while the preparations are often simple, they walk a fine line and depend on top shelf ingredients... the last part is the hinge; the quality of raw ingredients in Europe (in my experience and that of others' I've talked to) is so much better than the Monsanto mass-ag and factory farm meats we get here (for the most part) that it gets lost in translation. I'd take a food-oriented tour of the country before writing the whole epicurean culture off wholesale. Even then, a good sauce made with care from scratch is still a thing of beauty, even from unremarkable ingredients; do you mostly cook from cans or something?


I should also clarify. I don't dislike Italian food. I rather enjoy it even. The point I am making is it is not worth going to a restaurant for. Maybe it it is better over on the mother boot but here? Not even close.

Similar to Indian food. Does it taste bad? No. Why do I not want to go an Indian place when my friends in jersey want to go there? Because I want EAT my food not drink it. The three places I have been were identical. I went to three because I didn't think I was judging it fairly by going to only one. Third strike and it is out. Every one of them was identical. Every dish in there was a slurry type of thing except for one. Some kind of chicken. I guess when your region of the world is flooded by typhoons for half the year, the cuisine is going to evolve into sloppy wet dishes.
 
2012-06-23 12:13:13 AM

Omahawg: misanthropic1: urban.derelict: Omahawg: Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?

Yeah. I don't understand it either. Are they pickled peas or something? What's with the jar of formaldehyde? Who the f*ck would eat that?

Respectively: flower buds, it's pickling liquid, and me. It's quintessential to much Mediterranean food, high-end tarter sauces/seafood salads, and most anything with smoked salmon (especially on an everything bagel with cream cheese and red onion). If you're more comfortable with double cheeseburgers though, more power to ya, I guess.

a place 'round here used to serve a holsteiner schnitzel: basic schniztel with cream cheese, lox, and capers. best thing ever. nom nom nom


So they more or less just said "fark the bagel"... I could get behind that.

/giggety-giggety
 
2012-06-23 12:14:37 AM

ZombiesYall: Hey, is this the thread where we brag about being too high-class to eat at chain restaurants?


Eat? I survive off of sniffed farts and boiled ant sweat
 
2012-06-23 12:17:11 AM
My hubby and I got a 25 dollar gift card to Olive Garden from my mom-in-law. Thinking that would cover our meal we ate, I had a glass of wine, he had a soda, no dessert we had to pay 30 bucks out of pocket! I can go to REAL Italian restaraunts for less. Why would ANYONE go there?
 
2012-06-23 12:17:40 AM

ZeroCorpse: KOOLmike: Red Lobster and Olive Garden are in the same category as Applebee's, Chili's, On the Border, Chi-Chi's (remember those?), etc. Piss poor representations of their respective cuisines. Joe's Crab Shack sucks, too.

Say what you will, but Chi-Chi's chimichanga remains one of my favorite dishes, and I've never found anyone that does it remotely the same as they did. Nobody gets the sauce or the consistency of the cheese right.

No, it ain't "real" Mexican food, but I've had real Mexican food and it's severely overrated. The Americanized version adds some flavor.

Anyway, I'm sad that Chi-Chi's is gone. There are none left in Michigan that I know of, and I assume the chain is long-since dead.


It was hard for them to recover after that Hepatitis A incident in PA 10 years ago.
 
2012-06-23 12:25:18 AM

Benjimin_Dover: I should also clarify. I don't dislike Italian food. I rather enjoy it even. The point I am making is it is not worth going to a restaurant for. Maybe it it is better over on the mother boot but here? Not even close.

Similar to Indian food. Does it taste bad? No. Why do I not want to go an Indian place when my friends in jersey want to go there? Because I want EAT my food not drink it. The three places I have been were identical. I went to three because I didn't think I was judging it fairly by going to only one. Third strike and it is out. Every one of them was identical. Every dish in there was a slurry type of thing except for one. Some kind of chicken. I guess when your region of the world is flooded by typhoons for half the year, the cuisine is going to evolve into sloppy wet dishes.


I take your point; not every regional cuisine is everyone's bag. Personally, I LOVE Indian food, and having been attempting to grind my own curries from scratch without some old-world grandmother's guidance, have immense respect for the complexity and intricacy of the art. But you're right; the bulk of the food is going to be some manner of stew over rice, kind of like Ethiopian; it's good, but only if you're down with its basic nature.

/first time I heard of Ethiopian dining I wondered "how do they recreate THAT eating experience? Lock you in a cage for a week then give you an unseasoned broiled rat?"...
//it's good if you're down with stews on yeasty flatbread or French-fusion
 
2012-06-23 12:27:07 AM

Smeggy Smurf: ZombiesYall: Hey, is this the thread where we brag about being too high-class to eat at chain restaurants?

Eat? I survive off of sniffed farts and boiled ant sweat


Good plan: more biomass than humans, no?
 
2012-06-23 12:28:20 AM

styckx: Oh and Applebees doesn't suck if you look at its usefulness correctly.

Usually Applebees has one of the better bar setups and some of the best drunk food available. I spent more time in my drinking days getting hammered at Applebees than the local bars..


Sorry dude, but that sounds really pathetic.


I think whats killing these chains, in part, is the rise of smartphones. Most of the times ive been to olive garden has been on the road, driving through some random town, no way to know whats good, see an OG, its like "well, at least we know itll be ok" im sure theres a good place a few blocks away, but if youre not a local how to find it pre yelp/urbanspoon days.

And with these no one has any reason to go to red lobster ever.

ecx.images-amazon.com


Make em with milk instead of water so theyre a little richer and maybe spray some pam ontop to make em authentically greasy if you really want.
 
2012-06-23 12:30:41 AM

TheGreatGazoo: OG and RL both have decent dinner rolls/bread sticks.

The last time I ate at RL it was next to the hotel I was staying at. I got shrimp pasta alfredo (pretty hard to screw up). It was served with the cheese on the top molten and the cheese in the middle raw.


Hot on the outside and cold on the inside? I'll bet that crap was pre-made and they threw it in the microwave.
 
2012-06-23 12:38:08 AM
I had some friends from Iowa who went to Manhattan to run the marathon. When they told me they went to the Olive Garden in Times Square for dinner the night before, I was floored. I've eaten at a good half-dozen fantastic Italian restaurants in Manhattan, all of which I randomly stumbled across. But they're small town and wanted to go to a place they recognized.

When my wife and I were in Minnesota a few years ago, we decided to eat at the Olive Garden for lunch. She ordered a lunch pizza that was good. I looked the menu up and down and couldn't find a single entree that looked good. So I ordered a soup/salad/breadstick combo, which was quite good. But I would never go there for a real "meal".

Twenty years ago, I thought it was a decent place. Now I know better.
 
2012-06-23 12:46:09 AM
I am wondering after reading all these posts, is Fark run by David Duke?
 
2012-06-23 12:56:05 AM

marcre3363: I had some friends from Iowa who went to Manhattan to run the marathon. When they told me they went to the Olive Garden in Times Square for dinner the night before, I was floored. I've eaten at a good half-dozen fantastic Italian restaurants in Manhattan, all of which I randomly stumbled across. But they're small town and wanted to go to a place they recognized.

When my wife and I were in Minnesota a few years ago, we decided to eat at the Olive Garden for lunch. She ordered a lunch pizza that was good. I looked the menu up and down and couldn't find a single entree that looked good. So I ordered a soup/salad/breadstick combo, which was quite good. But I would never go there for a real "meal".

Twenty years ago, I thought it was a decent place. Now I know better.


Then why didnt they stay home? Im sure they could have found a marathon somewhere in iowa instead of spending probably hundreds of dollars to go to the big scary city where they proceeded to do what they could do any night of the week back home. If that attitude makes me a snob, fine, but i just dont understand people who will fly halfway around the world and then go to farking mcdonalds.

And i dont even like to travel that much, theres so many things around just my state that ive never done, literally hundreds of restaurants in the city that i still havent eaten at yet, all without the expense or hassle of getting on a plane. Ill admit i like Red Robin, but if im down in chicago for the weekend im not even going to bother looking for one, that would never even occur to me, my thinking is going to be what CANT i get back home.
 
2012-06-23 01:10:01 AM

ZeroCorpse: styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.

I used to work in a Sveden House restaurant. It was a smorgasbord (using the term loosely. It was really just a run-of-the-mill buffet), and every Sunday all the absolute fattest people in the tri-city area would drop in, pay their $5.00 a head (this was the 80s), and stay there ALL DAY, eating like pigs.

It was disgusting. I'm not just talking about your average fat people, here. I'm talking about the kind of people who need two chairs... The kind of people who have to wash with a rag on a stick... The kind of people who probably have car keys and missing household pets stuck within their folds of fat.

And these heifers would load up their plates with everything at once. Mashed potatoes with chocolate sauce? You bet! Swedish Meatballs covered in nacho cheese? Oh, yes! Beef gravy milkshakes? They did it. An entire plate heaped with Jell-O and corn? Yes, they did that, too. Getting their coffee in a bowl? Yes. Filling a plastic cup with chili, water, and cheese, and then drinking it? Yes, they did this, too.

Barfing on the table and shiatting on the floor in the restroom? That was them, as well. One time, I even found a plate full of chicken bones in a stall, on the floor next to the toilet... Some porker waddled in there with a pile of fried chicken and sat there crapping and eating for what must have been at least 15 minutes. Possibly more. It was a lot of chicken bones. I think it might have been the equivalent of a chicken and a half. And the bones were cracked, too. They sucked the marrow out of at least some of them. ...All while taking a dump.

The place was horrific. It was almost 30 years ago, and I still occasionally have nightmares about it. And the w ...


Sveden House at State and Center?
 
2012-06-23 01:21:22 AM

Cyno01: marcre3363: I had some friends from Iowa who went to Manhattan to run the marathon. When they told me they went to the Olive Garden in Times Square for dinner the night before, I was floored. I've eaten at a good half-dozen fantastic Italian restaurants in Manhattan, all of which I randomly stumbled across. But they're small town and wanted to go to a place they recognized.

When my wife and I were in Minnesota a few years ago, we decided to eat at the Olive Garden for lunch. She ordered a lunch pizza that was good. I looked the menu up and down and couldn't find a single entree that looked good. So I ordered a soup/salad/breadstick combo, which was quite good. But I would never go there for a real "meal".

Twenty years ago, I thought it was a decent place. Now I know better.

Then why didnt they stay home? Im sure they could have found a marathon somewhere in iowa instead of spending probably hundreds of dollars to go to the big scary city where they proceeded to do what they could do any night of the week back home. If that attitude makes me a snob, fine, but i just dont understand people who will fly halfway around the world and then go to farking mcdonalds.

And i dont even like to travel that much, theres so many things around just my state that ive never done, literally hundreds of restaurants in the city that i still havent eaten at yet, all without the expense or hassle of getting on a plane. Ill admit i like Red Robin, but if im down in chicago for the weekend im not even going to bother looking for one, that would never even occur to me, my thinking is going to be what CANT i get back home.


hell, i'm from a small town in iowa and don't know what's wrong with those people either. we loved finding funky out of the way local places long before it was trendy. easy rule of thumb: avoid any ethnic restaurant where no obvious member of that ethnicity is dining there.
 
2012-06-23 01:25:19 AM
For all the Red Lobster hate, being stuck in BFE, midwest and about as far from open sea as you can get, there's not much else available if you want a) dining out, and b) "seafood".
And for the life of me I don't get what all the wal-mart commentary is, as the local one is exceptionally well maintained & waited, mostly being populated by the more politely quiet small family outings. The olive garden further up the road is a complete zoo, however. The shiat on my plate there was nasty, too.
 
2012-06-23 01:28:22 AM
I'm not a huge seafood fan, and I went to Red Lobster for just one thing - their biscuits. Problem is, they made their biscuits more healthy by removing a bunch of the butter, thus making them not as much fun. Goodbye Red Lobster.
 
2012-06-23 01:34:13 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: farkityfarker: MeAs much as I hear the term "authentic" Italian food, or Mexican food, or whatever else, I've still yet go get an explanation of what it actually consists of.

Authentic Mexican food involves tortillas, cheese, and refried beans, in various combinations. Oh, and hot sauce. I had some before they put on the hot sauce, it was the blandest stuff imaginable.


Rick Bayless should punch you in the nuts for saying that.
 
2012-06-23 01:37:55 AM

RussianPooper: meat0918: Could it be that Americans got pissy at their CEO and didn't want to go to a place that doesn't want to give sick employees time off or give them lunch breaks?

Regulatory mandates flowing from federal health care reform may be the most visible, but the list also includes measures such as new mandatory paid leave provisions that require us to change the way we accommodate employees who need to take time off when they are ill and ever more unrealistic requirements regarding employee meal and rest breaks that, in California for example, force our employees to take breaks in the middle of serving lunch or dinner

Requiring restaurants to give breaks in the middle of lunch or dinner rush is asinine and only shows that the regulators are clueless, not to mention people like you who think it's a reason to boycott.


The requirement in California isn't that the breaks come in the middle of service; it's that they come after X number of hours. But it's easier for Clarence Otis to whine about the mean old regulators than is is to tell store managers to adjust the schedules of their employees appropriately.

urban.derelict: meat0918: Could it be that Americans got pissy at their CEO and didn't want to go to a place that doesn't want to give sick employees time off or give them lunch breaks?

You've obviously never worked in food services. You make a f*cking killing on tips but you don't get a break for 8 hours and you make $2.15/hr.


News flash: California has its own labor laws, and while it's no worker's paradise here, those laws (which cover roughly 10% of the American workforce) are a model for the rest of the country.
 
2012-06-23 01:40:10 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Rick Bayless should punch you in the nuts for saying that.


And then cook his nuts in a delicious, aromatic mole sauce!
 
2012-06-23 01:40:25 AM

styckx: Jgok: I'll never understand it... Someone asks where to get good Italian food in town, I start listing off a dozen good locally-owned places, and they interrupt me to ask if there's an Olive Garden in town.

/I thought you wanted ITALIAN food.

EXACTLY.. And if you live within a few hours of a coastline there is NO EXCUSE to eat at Red Lobster.. Hell even in Philly you can eat seafood that is still kicking pulled out of the ocean the day before or that very morning..


And if you're really lucky, it was caught locally!

media.lehighvalleylive.com
 
2012-06-23 01:54:08 AM

styckx: Lsherm: styckx: Lsherm: I'm as food snobby as anyone else but if you want crab legs - there's no reason NOT to go to Red Lobster. All of the crab legs in the US are precooked anyway, and they can reheat them as well as anyone.

I was just at Red Lobster last week and they had 1.5 pounds of King crab legs for $28. If they're offering that across the country, then Red Lobster is alright by me.

It's been years since I've been to an Olive Garden, but I wouldn't expect great cuisine there, either. However, if something floats your boat and they offer it cheap, I'm not going to judge you if you go.

lolwut?

Don't watch The Deadliest Catch? Almost all of the crab meat that gets shipped elsewhere is cooked and flash frozen right after it's caught. Something about the inability to keep it fresh for very long if it's dead and raw.

So if you're on the east coast like I am and you're eating crab legs - they were caught, cooked, and frozen long before they ever got to the restaurant. Then they're steamed, but that just reheats them.

Interesting..


Not interesting, just fact. The only quality difference for crab legs at a restaurant are the bulk sell at the beginning of each season. Smaller legs are cheaper, and buffets tend to buy those along with cheaper restaurants. Bigger buyers get the larger or higher quality legs.

Either buyer just has to reheat the legs. You can get crab legs at a five star restaurant and they're buying the same precooked legs everyone else is. They can present it differently, but it's the same product. There's no talent to crab legs - they were already cooked right out of the boat. So spending extra money at a restaurant is extra stupid.
 
2012-06-23 02:03:43 AM
 
2012-06-23 02:08:47 AM

Indubitably: Smeggy Smurf: ZombiesYall: Hey, is this the thread where we brag about being too high-class to eat at chain restaurants?

Eat? I survive off of sniffed farts and boiled ant sweat

Good plan: more biomass than humans, no?


Beats me. I starved to death years ago
 
2012-06-23 02:15:55 AM

Ficoce:

I finally have it down. I found the secret to good lasagna is to use real ingredients and don't take short cuts. I improved my prep speed and can knock it out in 45 minutes.

I don't like lasagna very much anymore.


Clearly, you put too much effort into it and ruined the whole thing. My lasagne might not be 'perfect' but I think it's pretty farkin' good.

/the secret is sour cream
//and four kinds of cheese
 
2012-06-23 02:20:47 AM
i love the commercial of the american og chefs in tuscany learning the art of italian cuisine

/not very picky, except for some vegetables
//ate at "tasty goody" chinese buffet restaurant tonight
///with strawberry lemonade (with strawberry "pops")
 
2012-06-23 02:24:38 AM

I should be in the kitchen: I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere,


Thanks for the suggestion. Will keep in mind. But, um, is this Google Street View by any chance accurate?

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-23 02:53:55 AM

rustypouch: urban.derelict: Omahawg: Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?

Yeah. I don't understand it either. Are they pickled peas or something? What's with the jar of formaldehyde? Who the f*ck would eat that?

I'm astounded that it's possible to make it to adulthood without know what capers are.

I suppose it's possible if you're the type of person who doesn't know that cheese comes in colors other than orange.


Jeebus, even Walmart sells Capers.
 
2012-06-23 02:55:54 AM
My subjective feeling is that these places have raised prices pretty fast since the 2008 downturn ... entrees used to be $10-$12, now closer to $20.

The OG near us is fine for "can't be arsed cooking" and the kitchen staff may only speak Spanish but they manage a consistent al dente.

Having grown up on the ocean, I find RL / JCS / LJS a little scary.
 
2012-06-23 03:04:08 AM
Here's an idea. Stop using frozen food, we can tell.

Oh and next time you come out with a dish (talking to you OG) that is a hit dont' take it away to make room for shiaty frozen food !!!
 
2012-06-23 03:59:10 AM

vicejay: Any Farkers ever heading to New Orleans need to check this site out for the best local eats: http://www.nomenu.com


One of the interesting things about our town (the actual town, not the surrounding metro area) is that you really can't get a chain meal outside of fast food.

Look, chain restaurants are fine, for what they are. You roll in, grab a $15 lunch, take pity on the waitress and tip her $10, then you leave with the required calories and proteins. But damn I love being able to stroll around and have like 20 local options to pick from without even starting my vehicle. It's one of the things that give a place her own character rather being Just Another City.

There are no Applebee's or Chili's in downtown New Orleans. Some people are perplexed by this, which makes me wonder why they fly down here in the first place. I'll take a $10 po-boy and frozen schooner of Abita at Liuzza's, thank you very much. I'm gonna stop talking about this topic lest we be here all night.

/recently went to Parasol's just for the roast beef, and managed not to get drunk
//crazy, right?
 
2012-06-23 04:16:16 AM
Olive garden is actually quite good... I don't know if they used to be worse, but they are one of the better chains I've experienced.
 
2012-06-23 04:27:24 AM
I still don't like it that Red Lobster stopped serving hushpuppies. It's the only seafood place I've ever been to that doesn't serve hushpuppies. I remember the rumor being that it was because a yankee who doesn't understand how much us southerners like our hushpuppies bought the chain
 
2012-06-23 04:57:38 AM

enderthexenocide: screw you guys, i love the olive garden. i go there a couple times a year and i've never had a bad experience. i've also been to more "authentic" local italian places and the food was 1) more expensive 2) took longer to arrive at my table and 3) tasted just about the same as olive garden's food anyway, so why bother? olive garden used to have this shrimp ravioli in garlic sauce stuff and my god it was the most delicious thing i've ever had in my life.


... if you were Milano, you'd know ravioli's only flavor is cervello. Shrimp has no place in raw pasta.
 
2012-06-23 04:59:20 AM

jason1178: Pulitzer prize winning food reviewer's April Fool's joke backfires, has to review the Olive Garden


I'm a foodie and an Italian cook and waiter and do both whenever... and that was still an asshole review.

/"Oh this was good but fark 'em" the asshole should have written.
//Not defending Olive Garden, I've said what I think, but that's just a troll review.
 
2012-06-23 05:14:25 AM

on the road: I should be in the kitchen: I talked them into Battista's Hole in the Wall. The food is good--not spectacular, but the cool "Old Vegas" atmosphere,

Thanks for the suggestion. Will keep in mind. But, um, is this Google Street View by any chance accurate?

[i45.tinypic.com image 632x565]


Go back to that exact Street View image and make a 180. Google apparently put the restaurant on the wrong side of the street.

Jgok: I'll never understand it... Someone asks where to get good Italian food in town, I start listing off a dozen good locally-owned places, and they interrupt me to ask if there's an Olive Garden in town.

/I thought you wanted ITALIAN food.


I gave up on most chains years ago. We used to have an OG up the road, always packed, but they closed it. At the time I was sad, but after 3 trips to Italy I've gotten over it. Luckily I grew up in an area with plenty of mom and pop Italian restaurants... One of them's been in operation since Prohibition.
 
2012-06-23 09:17:13 AM
You people eat bagged salads.
You people would eat at a place that had a gravy fountain.

Now I'm off to prepare dinner.
That's right. Prepare dinner at 9:15 in the AM.

Give me this day's meat, yesterday's bread, and last year's cider.
 
2012-06-23 09:52:35 AM
eater.com
 
2012-06-23 10:31:39 AM

macadamnut: John Buck 41: My local real Italian restaurant. Awesome doesn't come close to describing it.

Link

Wow, I live in Orono & have never heard of that place. Did it used to be Tesoro?


No idea.
 
2012-06-23 10:42:44 AM
Darden Restaurants = Frozen food.

It's all terrible. Long Horn, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Bahama Breeze...awful. There are big chains out there that don't freeze almost every piece of meat on the menu, and they're less expensive to boot. I avoid Darden restaurants at all costs.
 
2012-06-23 10:43:24 AM

misanthropic1: The Jami Turman Fan Club: farkityfarker: MeAs much as I hear the term "authentic" Italian food, or Mexican food, or whatever else, I've still yet go get an explanation of what it actually consists of.

Authentic Mexican food involves tortillas, cheese, and refried beans, in various combinations. Oh, and hot sauce. I had some before they put on the hot sauce, it was the blandest stuff imaginable.

You're a riot. Ahem: http://hugosrestaurant.net/

/traditional Mexican is an incredibly diverse, regionally-oriented cuisine
//tex-mex is as you described, give or take some lard and/or beef


I'm not talking about tex-mex. I'm saying that if you go to an average diner in Monterrey, that's what you're going to get. The "mexican" food I've gotten in Mexican restaurants here (owned and served by Mexicans) was far better than the food I got in Mexico.
 
2012-06-23 10:53:46 AM
As a person living in Europe, authentic Italian food is terrible. The only authentic food worth a damn is Turkish and varieties of asian food. Ill stick with American Italian, American pizza, and American steak houses. Red Lobster has the best biscuits and cheese sticks. Olive Garden is alright but rather flat in flavor.
 
2012-06-23 11:44:33 AM

jason1178: Pulitzer prize winning food reviewer's April Fool's joke backfires, has to review the Olive Garden


What a boring and pretentious fool. I'm not a fan of Olive Garden, but that doesn't make me better than someone who is. And it's not bad. It's just not anything special.
 
2012-06-23 12:28:33 PM

Tman144: OnlyM3: meat0918

Could it be that Americans
...don't think the economy is doing as great as this idiot does.
[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]

Dude, fark off. Who brings politics into a farking Red Lobster thread?


Gay people. NTTAWWT (though it is annoying)
 
2012-06-23 12:55:41 PM

Allen. The end.: rustypouch: I'm astounded that it's possible to make it to adulthood without know what capers are.

I worked with a fifty-year-old woman in Huntsville, Alabama who didn't know what a date was.


I'm told you can find them online.
 
2012-06-23 02:00:42 PM

JesseL: Great restaurants for those really special occasions when even someplace as fancy as Applebee's or Chili's won't do.


I don't know why you douchebags have to rag on those four chains constantly. They're great for what they do- if you want fine dining, go to a fine dining establishment. If you want a steak, go to a steakhouse. If you want what they're offering, go there.

No need to be dicks about it.

/says this every.goddamn.time.
 
2012-06-23 03:06:06 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: misanthropic1: The Jami Turman Fan Club: farkityfarker: MeAs much as I hear the term "authentic" Italian food, or Mexican food, or whatever else, I've still yet go get an explanation of what it actually consists of.

Authentic Mexican food involves tortillas, cheese, and refried beans, in various combinations. Oh, and hot sauce. I had some before they put on the hot sauce, it was the blandest stuff imaginable.

You're a riot. Ahem: http://hugosrestaurant.net/

/traditional Mexican is an incredibly diverse, regionally-oriented cuisine
//tex-mex is as you described, give or take some lard and/or beef

I'm not talking about tex-mex. I'm saying that if you go to an average diner in Monterrey, that's what you're going to get. The "mexican" food I've gotten in Mexican restaurants here (owned and served by Mexicans) was far better than the food I got in Mexico.


I've had some pretty terrible food in Mexico, but I've also had some great fresh-caught ceviches and seafood, some surprisingly good tex-mex-esque fare, and some really good upscale dining specializing in traditional Mayan preparations. In my experience, most places in the world have a lot of bad food, but also some really great food, if you know where to look.
 
2012-06-23 03:11:39 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: JesseL: Great restaurants for those really special occasions when even someplace as fancy as Applebee's or Chili's won't do.

I don't know why you douchebags have to rag on those four chains constantly. They're great for what they do- if you want fine dining, go to a fine dining establishment. If you want a steak, go to a steakhouse. If you want what they're offering, go there.

No need to be dicks about it.

/says this every.goddamn.time.


White-knighting chain restaurants every.goddamn.time.?

How noble.
 
2012-06-23 03:12:12 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: JesseL: Great restaurants for those really special occasions when even someplace as fancy as Applebee's or Chili's won't do.

I don't know why you douchebags have to rag on those four chains constantly. They're great for what they do- if you want fine dining, go to a fine dining establishment. If you want a steak, go to a steakhouse. If you want what they're offering, go there.

No need to be dicks about it.

/says this every.goddamn.time.


And why buy from local retailers when you can get most of the same stuff from Walmart? Elitist scum with their smug conscientious-consumption; if exclusively corporate consumption is good enough for me, it should be good enough for everyone goddamnit!
 
2012-06-23 03:28:56 PM

lilplatinum: Why can't you people eat real food? Personally, I can't wait to go to Manhattan and eat at the TGI Fridays in Times Square..


My family went to NYC for a wedding. We et my uncle and cousin up after having one of the best goddamn Italian meals of my life, family style, that broke down to about $15 for each of us. Fresh basil and mozzarella and best tomatoes I've eaten that I didn't pick out of a garden myself, awesome just in season asparagus, too much pasta and fresh bread for us to make a dent in... a decade later and I remember it.

My cousin and uncle went to the Times Square Olive Garden. And raved about it. My dad and I still exchange a glance anytime either one of them recommends a restaurant, a decade later.

/like eating in the private kitchen of a delightful Italian stereotype!
 
2012-06-23 03:39:55 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: The Jami Turman Fan Club: farkityfarker: MeAs much as I hear the term "authentic" Italian food, or Mexican food, or whatever else, I've still yet go get an explanation of what it actually consists of.

Authentic Mexican food involves tortillas, cheese, and refried beans, in various combinations. Oh, and hot sauce. I had some before they put on the hot sauce, it was the blandest stuff imaginable.

Rick Bayless should punch you in the nuts for saying that.


I laughed.

The authentic taqueria by my house doesn't put cheese on anything except a bit of quesco fresco on the veggie tacos, maybe a torta.
 
2012-06-23 05:59:25 PM

misanthropic1:

And why buy from local retailers when you can get most of the same stuff from Walmart? Elitist scum with their smug conscientious-consumption; if exclusively corporate consumption is good enough for me, it should be good enough for everyone goddamnit!


you tell those ignorant masses, you tell em good! (on the fark message boards).
 
2012-06-23 06:08:50 PM
also, don't you people cook your own food? How do you even know all these chain restaurants suck and mom and pops are awesome, are you going out to eat every night or making your own food at home? No wonder Americans are all poor.
 
2012-06-23 06:45:32 PM

allofthisistrue: also, don't you people cook your own food? How do you even know all these chain restaurants suck and mom and pops are awesome, are you going out to eat every night or making your own food at home? No wonder Americans are all poor.



Americans are mainly lazy. You can cook as good as any five star restaurant, but sometimes you go for the atmosphere and the fact you don't have to do any work to get a nice meal on the table.
 
2012-06-23 06:50:50 PM
As a former Olive Garden employee, let me tell you I've eaten every dish. The zuppa toscana is the only thing there I will eat. It is made fresh daily using real ingredients in a huge stainless steel tub. I won't touch any other Italian dish there because I used to be married into a 1st generation Italian family who were crazy good cooks--makes Olive Garden seem like puke, but the sausage soup... it's like crack.
 
2012-06-23 07:02:04 PM

Great Janitor: Gestankfaust: Gestankfaust: Great Janitor: Olive Garden sucks. I hate going there. I'd rather eat at Jack in the Box or McDonalds.

I would so totally agree with you...if it weren't for "other locations".

I have found great experiences with both places....and bad for both too.

Remember you friggin "critics"....the location makes the place.....

Yer an idiot...just for showing a pic of the asshat in charge...dickwad

What pic did I show?

I've been to two Olive Garden locations, but were not good experiences. Last time I could not get the staff to understand that when I say "No mushrooms." I mean the complete absence of fungus.

The first time I was thrown out of one. I was on a double date, my my now wife, her best friend and her best friend's now husband. He and I got bored, took the napkin, made it into a paper football and I shot it (accidentally) across the restaurant hitting some kid in the head. Farking dicks.


the paper football is why I go to glory days with my son, nothing better than playing paper football with your kid while waiting for food.

He's never beat me and I told him if he ever does beat me then I know he is goofing off in school. (like i did lol)
 
2012-06-23 07:05:35 PM

allofthisistrue: also, don't you people cook your own food? How do you even know all these chain restaurants suck and mom and pops are awesome, are you going out to eat every night or making your own food at home? No wonder Americans are all poor.


Well, I have deals with most of the locally-owned places in town. They know how many customers I send them, so I rarely have to pay full price. Hell, the last time I stopped by the local pizza place (just to pick up some menus on the way to work), I walked out of there with two large pies and a pan of lasagna. Two or three times a month, I get a meal dropped off at work as a thank-you from the restaurant.

I do cook at home, of course. On the stove it's usually soups & stews, chili, gumbo, etc... sometimes jambalaya. On the grill it's usually chicken and veggies, though I'll sometimes toss a steak or some Andouille sausages on there.
 
2012-06-23 07:33:16 PM

Waldo Pepper: the paper football is why I go to glory days with my son, nothing better than playing paper football with your kid while waiting for food.

He's never beat me and I told him if he ever does beat me then I know he is goofing off in school. (like i did lol)



My friends and I loved the chain restaurant Islands. Great table design with different colors on the edges making paper football so much fun.
 
2012-06-23 07:35:30 PM

dickfreckle: I'll take a $10 po-boy and frozen schooner of Abita at Liuzza's, thank you very much.


I live in MO and I have to be subjected to your taunting?

/hungry for a Liuzza's Po-boy
//The RiverShack in Old Jefferson is another one of my favs
 
2012-06-23 07:46:47 PM

titwrench: 9beers: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Called my dad on father's day. He said he'd gone to Red Lobster for dinner only to find it "full of every black and mexican" in the area.

I LOL'd at his racism.

That's not racism, it's a fact. The last time I was in a Red Lobster, it was about 75% black and that's in an area where blacks make up 10% of the population at most. Brothers will drive their asses off for some bad seafood.

A few of us went to Joe's Crab Shack a couple of weeks ago for a friends birthday. Our group was 50/50 black and white but everyone else in the place was black in a predominantly white and Hispanic part of town. I am not exaggerating, even the black people at our table were aware of it and were giving us a hard time about being the only white people. So I said "At least our waitress will get a tip."

/csb


Except Joe's is actually decent seafood, especially by chain standards.
 
2012-06-23 07:49:07 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: JesseL: Great restaurants for those really special occasions when even someplace as fancy as Applebee's or Chili's won't do.

I don't know why you douchebags have to rag on those four chains constantly. They're great for what they do- if you want fine dining, go to a fine dining establishment. If you want a steak, go to a steakhouse. If you want what they're offering, go there.

No need to be dicks about it.

/says this every.goddamn.time.


And what exactly do they do that's so great? Provide an nonthreatening choice for people across the nation who enjoy moderately priced family dining and food that consistently uses salt and cheese to make up for the fact that it's otherwise bland, poorly prepared, and made with low quality ingredients? They're farking McDonald's with pretensions.
 
2012-06-23 08:16:36 PM

Mrtraveler01: dickfreckle: I'll take a $10 po-boy and frozen schooner of Abita at Liuzza's, thank you very much.

I live in MO and I have to be subjected to your taunting?

/hungry for a Liuzza's Po-boy
//The RiverShack in Old Jefferson is another one of my favs


Yeah, but have the Rams had as hideous an offseason as the Saints have? It all comes out in the wash. Oh wait...

Alright, it does suck to be you. :P
 
2012-06-23 08:37:57 PM

OnlyM3: Could it be that Americans

...don't think the economy is doing as great as this idiot does.


Hey, look, someone managed to bring politics into it! Me, next.

I love that when Bush was in office, we couldn't blame him because he'd only been President for a little while and this end-of-cheap-credit apocalypse took a long time. Soon as that farker was out, though, and he got replaced with a Democrat, it's the Democrat's fault.

Funny thing: it turns out when companies are in debt, but need to get out of debt, they have to pay down the debt. Another funny thing: personnel is a huge expense.

Another funny thing: a lot of stimulus spending happened on Bush's watch, and has stated that if he had it to do over again, he would. Yes, even the stuff that Republicans like to blame on Obama.

Another funny thing: when the data looked like things were turning around, Republicans, including Romney, acknowledged it but stated that the recovery would have been quicker had they gotten their way. Now that it looks like things are slowing down again, it's back to the old line, and forget that Trotsky--sorry, I mean the recovery--ever existed.

Now, don't take that as a shining endorsement of Obama. It's just that, after four years of blatant lies, and being outraged at works of fiction, there's no way in hell I can vote for most Republicans. Democrats, Republicans, get out of the way. Maybe the Libertarians and Greens can duke it out for a while.

I also agree with the people who call places like Chilis and Applebees "McDonalds with pretensions". :->
 
2012-06-23 08:54:27 PM

dickfreckle: Mrtraveler01: dickfreckle: I'll take a $10 po-boy and frozen schooner of Abita at Liuzza's, thank you very much.

I live in MO and I have to be subjected to your taunting?

/hungry for a Liuzza's Po-boy
//The RiverShack in Old Jefferson is another one of my favs

Yeah, but have the Rams had as hideous an offseason as the Saints have? It all comes out in the wash. Oh wait...

Alright, it does suck to be you. :P


Don't worry, Spagnolo will help turn the Saints around, just look at the spectacular job he did with the Ra...HAHAHAHA!!!

Couldn't say that with a straight face. ;)

/Loves both St. Louis and New Orleans
//Has family in NOLA so he roots for the Saints and LSU
///How the fark did LSU lose to a team from Long Island again?
 
2012-06-23 10:31:32 PM
The feed at Longhorns today was great, FWIW. Damn good NY Sirloin, cooked perfectly.
 
2012-06-24 10:28:32 AM

inertcorkhair: I like Olive Garden because ordering is so easy. Everything tastes exactly the same.


Oddly enough, everything at Red Lobster tastes the same as Olive Garden, too.
 
2012-06-25 07:19:28 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Indubitably: Smeggy Smurf: ZombiesYall: Hey, is this the thread where we brag about being too high-class to eat at chain restaurants?

Eat? I survive off of sniffed farts and boiled ant sweat

Good plan: more biomass than humans, no?

Beats me. I starved to death years ago


Try ants then. I hear they're high in protein and plentiful, easily grasped at by dessicating corpses such as yourself, I guess...;)
 
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