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(BusinessWeek)   Olive Garden and Red Lobster struggle to revive sales, as American appetite for authentic Italian foods and high-class seafood cuisine dwindles   (businessweek.com) divider line 418
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2012-06-22 10:31:47 PM
rustypouch: urban.derelict: Omahawg: Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?

Yeah. I don't understand it either. Are they pickled peas or something? What's with the jar of formaldehyde? Who the f*ck would eat that?

I'm astounded that it's possible to make it to adulthood without know what capers are.

I suppose it's possible if you're the type of person who doesn't know that cheese comes in colors other than orange.


I've memorized the PLU code (4543) for Belgian endive because the clerks always ask me what it is. But a few weeks ago I was buying asparagus and the checkout girl asked, "Is this asparagus?" At least she knew the word.
 
2012-06-22 10:32:05 PM
The Jami Turman Fan Club: farkityfarker: MeAs much as I hear the term "authentic" Italian food, or Mexican food, or whatever else, I've still yet go get an explanation of what it actually consists of.

Authentic Mexican food involves tortillas, cheese, and refried beans, in various combinations. Oh, and hot sauce. I had some before they put on the hot sauce, it was the blandest stuff imaginable.


You're a riot. Ahem: http://hugosrestaurant.net/

/traditional Mexican is an incredibly diverse, regionally-oriented cuisine
//tex-mex is as you described, give or take some lard and/or beef
 
2012-06-22 10:32:28 PM
rustypouch: I suppose it's possible if you're the type of person who doesn't know that cheese comes in colors other than orange.

I don't want none of that weirdo, stinky (prolly COMMIE) cheese!

I miss DeLaurenti very badly.
 
2012-06-22 10:33:13 PM
Jurodan: Funk Brothers: This is what a kitchen in an average Red Lobster looks like.
[i.imgur.com image 507x377]

Oh Christ, that looks like it's from Silent farking Hill.



I was thinking Saw.
 
2012-06-22 10:36:59 PM
Lt. Cheese Weasel: Lowest common denominator dreck. I'd rather eat dog food.

I've told you a million times--don't exaggerate.
 
2012-06-22 10:38:08 PM
AbortionsForAll: ongbok: AbortionsForAll: ongbok: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

It's even funnier watching the trailer trash white folks like you that go there dressed in your best CAT hat and flannel laughing at them when everybody already knows the real joke is that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to an upscale restaurant.

Just so you know, your reply was vastly inferior to the statement which you were answering (on multiple levels - humor, accuracy, etc.).

No it is pretty accurate. After all you seem to know a lot about what type of people frequent Red Lobster. The only way for you to have that type of knowledge on the subject is if you frequent the place quite often yourself, and that would tend to prove the point that Red Lobster is the closest that you will ever get to upscale dinning. Me on the other hand, I have no idea what kind of people frequent either Red Lobster or the Olive Garden because I have never been to a Red Lobster and only been to Olive Garden twice in mt life. Furthermore since I was a child I was taught that if you were going to eat out, you really should look for upscale places to eat.

It's called "living in suburbia", dipshiat. Besides, one visit to Red Lobster is all it takes to realize that you're surrounded by 97% black people (loud obnoxious black people in their fancy best).


I live in the suburbs also dipshiat, and I have managed not to go to those places. also 1 visit to Red Lobster in your area a person may find it is 97% black people, and you.
 
2012-06-22 10:41:06 PM
theknuckler_33: misanthropic1: theknuckler_33: I love the disdain for Olive Garden and Red Lobster... as if you are supposed to get high quality cuisine at an Applebess-level chain restaurant. For the $16 or so you'll pay for an entree there, it's acceptable.

Is that sarcasm or are you just unwilling to drive into downtown? I mean, I suppose you specified "Applebess-level" which entails way overpriced, low-quality food, but you can do so much better for $16-$20 an entree in Philly it's not even in the ballpark next to the one it's not even in.

/IMFSO

I've gotten some really good meals in that range in china town and a few mom&pop type places in the burbs, but nothing I'd consider something significantly above what you can get at Red Lobster or Olive Garden. I've had meals in downtown plenty of times and I'd spend close to $16 on a sandwich. I'd really be interested in hearing about the places that you can get a bonafide entree of seafood or steak for $16-20 that you think is significantly better than Olive Garden in center-city.


I'll level with ya; I have not been to Philly in the better part of a decade, so I wouldn't doubt prices have gone up, and I was with family then and not sticking to a strict budget (though did include some of the best Italian I can recall eating). However, a quick glance at urbanspoon yields a lot of pretty highly rated restaurants with a $10-15 entree range, including quite a bit of seafood. East coast isn't really my area of expertise (haven't lived there since I was a kid), but it would appear there's a lot there to explore for not that much money, if you're willing to dig/drive...

/I realize sometimes convince trumps quality
 
2012-06-22 10:44:33 PM
What exactly is a dipshiat?

Most other insults have some meaning. fark? That's sex. biatch? A person having the less desirable qualities of a female dog. God Damn? Well that one doesn't make sense either. But that's not the point. My point is, what's a dipshiat. Yes I know Farkfilterwilleatmypostbecauseidaredincludeaworthhatstartswithshandrhy meswithit.
 
2012-06-22 10:46:10 PM
OnlyM3: meat0918

Could it be that Americans
...don't think the economy is doing as great as this idiot does.
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Dude, fark off. Who brings politics into a farking Red Lobster thread?
 
2012-06-22 10:46:29 PM
Trackball: Olive Garden is the worst crap on the face of the planet.

Nah. it's not.

I've been waiting tables/cooking/managing for small Italian restaurants since I was 18, and while I HATE corporate chains, they (Olive Garden) do have a formula that's not horrible. The salad and breadstick thing at the beginning of the meal works. I like their salad dressing and their breadsticks, although I assume the breadsticks are frozen and shipped in and the salad dressing comes in in one-gallon bottles. But both end up being pretty good (I am a foodie).

The breadsticks are way oversalted though, and often inconsistent (sometimes too oily, sometimes dry, sometimes cold/lukewarm, sometimes perfectly hot).

The reason I don't hate Olive Garden is that whomever came up with their marinara did a good job. I have worked for mom-n-pop places that had marinara that was too bitter or too sweet or too over-used and the consistency of Olive Garden marinara (probably also shipped in frozen in reheatable bags) isn't bad on the whole.

Big chains can afford to throw away marinara (which has to be served within the first 48 hours of making/reconstituting) have an advantage here. Marinara's like beer, it can't be held at temperature too long, and after 28 years in the restaurant business I give them a thumbs up for that along with the salad and breadsticks.

They a'aight.

/No, have never worked for them.
//Red Lobster is a far more difficult deal what with all that frozen seafood... nah. Cardboardy. The biscuits are good.
 
2012-06-22 10:50:30 PM
MrHappyRotter: What exactly is a dipshiat?

Most other insults have some meaning. fark? That's sex. biatch? A person having the less desirable qualities of a female dog. God Damn? Well that one doesn't make sense either. But that's not the point. My point is, what's a dipshiat. Yes I know Farkfilterwilleatmypostbecauseidaredincludeaworthhatstartswithshandrhy meswithit.


My parents liked to use the word "shiat-hook". Get back to me when you figure that one out.
 
2012-06-22 10:52:25 PM
macadamnut: I've memorized the PLU code (4543) for Belgian endive because the clerks always ask me what it is. But a few weeks ago I was buying asparagus and the checkout girl asked, "Is this asparagus?" At least she knew the word.

I bought some fennel bulbs and the checkout guy asked me if it was celery.
 
2012-06-22 10:56:42 PM
macadamnut: MrHappyRotter: What exactly is a dipshiat?

Most other insults have some meaning. fark? That's sex. biatch? A person having the less desirable qualities of a female dog. God Damn? Well that one doesn't make sense either. But that's not the point. My point is, what's a dipshiat. Yes I know Farkfilterwilleatmypostbecauseidaredincludeaworthhatstartswithshandrhy meswithit.

My parents liked to use the word "shiat-hook". Get back to me when you figure that one out.


Like you've never had a turd grow so long that it started to curl back around after it came out your ass, hooking back around and squishing in you in the left ass cheek.
 
2012-06-22 10:56:43 PM
misanthropic1: However, a quick glance at urbanspoon yields a lot of pretty highly rated restaurants with a $10-15 entree range

What is 'highly rated'? I see a couple Olive Garden's in the 80% range and Red Lobsters in the upper 70's. People tend to rate OK food that is cheap pretty high. For God's sake, Tony Luke's is rated 87% on that site and it's a steak sandwich place!

I'm no expert on center city Philly, but outside of 'pubs', I'd say the City Tavern is a reasonably priced place. Obviously just one random dude's opinion, but I'd consider it a place with food well above an Olive Garden or Red Lobster and once you get into seafood or beef on their menu, you are looking at $24.95 or higher. I had rack of lamb there for $34.95 on my birthday and it was out of this world. If I'm getting an entree for less than $20 that is beef or seafood, I won't expect it to be much better than the chains.
 
2012-06-22 10:57:52 PM
TravisBickle62: I don't really want authentic ethnic food, because most of the world's people are dirt poor and they eat shiat.

So if you want a really authentic ethnic meal, you are going to get served up a plate of shiat.



Doesn't get more ignorant than this

Gotta love Americans
 
2012-06-22 10:58:27 PM
I've never understood the love for OG's bread sticks. They're elongated dinner rolls, FFS, you can buy them in the frozen section of any grocery store and heat them up in your oven at home, sprinkling some garlic salt on them to make them authentic or whatever. I really don't get it...and I'm all about the bread basket when it's good bread but the OG sticks aren't even worth eating to me.

/Remembers a few times going to RL as a kid and not eating dinner b/c filled up on biscuits...
 
2012-06-22 10:59:56 PM
American appetite for authentic Italian foods and high-class seafood cuisine dwindles

I went to lunch today at a place called Ozzie's Corner Italian. I ordered the short rib ragu.

The meat was perfectly braised; it would fall apart at the slightest touch of my fork. The short rib, in case you're ignorant, is one of the most flavorful parts of bovines. On this dish, that flavor shone through. The mascarpone polenta was creamy, slightly sweet. The sauce, a nice demi glace, was a wonderful accent.

The amount of food on the plate was perfect; I didn't feel like a fatass after devouring it, yet it filled me up quite nicely.

Oh, and it only cost $15.

So go to the Olive Garden and pay more for a plate that has half the flavor and is bulked up by pasta, which by itself does a great job of bulking up your fat stores too. And enjoy your crappy leftovers when the blood sugar spike from the cheap food passes and your body suddenly decides it's starving.
 
2012-06-22 10:59:59 PM
misanthropic1: theknuckler_33: I love the disdain for Olive Garden and Red Lobster... as if you are supposed to get high quality cuisine at an Applebess-level chain restaurant. For the $16 or so you'll pay for an entree there, it's acceptable.

Is that sarcasm or are you just unwilling to drive into downtown? I mean, I suppose you specified "Applebess-level" which entails way overpriced, low-quality food, but you can do so much better for $16-$20 an entree in Philly it's not even in the ballpark next to the one it's not even in.

/IMFSO


I don't get the point of going to those places when Perkins, Embers, IHOP, and other places serve the same food for 2/3 of the price. The main difference between that and the Applebee's level is that the latter servers alcohol.

Example- why does anybody go to Olive Garden instead of Fazoli's?
 
2012-06-22 11:01:25 PM
macadamnut: MrHappyRotter: What exactly is a dipshiat?

Most other insults have some meaning. fark? That's sex. biatch? A person having the less desirable qualities of a female dog. God Damn? Well that one doesn't make sense either. But that's not the point. My point is, what's a dipshiat. Yes I know Farkfilterwilleatmypostbecauseidaredincludeaworthhatstartswithshandrhy meswithit.

My parents liked to use the word "shiat-hook". Get back to me when you figure that one out.


Your parents are into ass-play.
 
2012-06-22 11:01:52 PM
intelligent comment below: Doesn't get more ignorant than this

Gotta love Americans



Yeah, the retarded 90% of us fark it up for the rest of us.
 
2012-06-22 11:02:24 PM
I haven't been to Red Lobster in forever they do have good biscuits


Cheddar Bay Biscuits


Makes: 20 biscuits

Ingredients:

4 cups baking mix
3 ounces Cheddar cheese, shredded
1 1/3 cups water
1/2 cup melted butter
1 teaspoon garlic powder
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/8 teaspoon onion powder
1/8 teaspoon dried parsley
Directions:

Preheat oven to 375 degrees F (190 degrees C). Line a baking sheet with parchment paper.

In a mixing bowl, combine the baking mix, cheese, and water. Mix until dough is firm. Using a small scoop, place dough on the prepared pan.

Bake at 375 degrees F (190 degrees C) for 10 to 12 minutes, or until golden brown.

Combine the melted butter, garlic powder, salt, onion powder and parsley. Brush over baked biscuits immediately upon removing from oven.

Nutritional Info:

Amount Per Serving Calories: 139 | Total Fat: 6.3g | Cholesterol: 17mg Powered by ESHA Nutrient Database

Source: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/cheddar-bay-biscuits/
 
2012-06-22 11:03:57 PM
screw you guys, i love the olive garden. i go there a couple times a year and i've never had a bad experience. i've also been to more "authentic" local italian places and the food was 1) more expensive 2) took longer to arrive at my table and 3) tasted just about the same as olive garden's food anyway, so why bother? olive garden used to have this shrimp ravioli in garlic sauce stuff and my god it was the most delicious thing i've ever had in my life.
 
2012-06-22 11:07:57 PM
MrEricSir: Why do elderly folks love Olive Garden so much? Seems like every time I go by one, there's a flock of 70+ folks waiting outside. Do they get a discount, or did they simply reach the age where they can't taste anything and don't care? Or both?

They feel comfortable there. No big screen TVs and visual assaults like a sports bar. No Loud music so you have to shout.
It's not just Olive Garden; Go into most 'hipster places'. And older person would feel wildly out of place there. Be aware of your surroundings...and you'll see the places you go are also frequented by people in your same age group.
 
2012-06-22 11:17:52 PM
Fromageball: I've never understood the love for OG's bread sticks. They're elongated dinner rolls, FFS, you can buy them in the frozen section of any grocery store and heat them up in your oven at home, sprinkling some garlic salt on them to make them authentic or whatever. I really don't get it...and I'm all about the bread basket when it's good bread but the OG sticks aren't even worth eating to me.

/Remembers a few times going to RL as a kid and not eating dinner b/c filled up on biscuits...


Probably because the breadsticks are free.

And pretty good for reconstituted, oiled and salted breadsticks.

/And yes on Red Lobster hot cheese biscuits. They are pretty damn good. I like them better than the meal I am gonna get so when I do go there I order something I assume the cook is going to sautee, like shrimp scampi. Still frozen, as is all restaurant shrimp, unless you are in Louisiana or Florida or southern Cali or Mexico, but frozen shrimp works.
 
2012-06-22 11:21:14 PM
Biner: jshine: lots of tasty things have come from ethnic food being adapted to local tastes

"Mexican" food served in Northern New Mexico is a great case in point.

/ NM green chile FTW!


My favorite kind of "Chinese" food is chifa, which is what Perú did to Chinese food. Some of the ingredients from China weren't available, so immigrants had to substitute ingredients native to South America. It's probably different in other ways, too. I don't have enough experience with authentic Chinese cuisine to say. I just know it's damn tasty. If you ever get to Perú, chifa and ceviche are two things you should definitely try.

Oh, and lomo saltado, of course.

Speaking of South America, my favorite Mexican restaurant in the world is in Chile, but the people who run it are from México, so I'm not sure what that means.
 
2012-06-22 11:21:24 PM
Perceive better?

Love works, mans.

Love energy is stronger than field energy.

You'll see.

Maybe without me?

;)
 
2012-06-22 11:21:50 PM
theknuckler_33: misanthropic1: However, a quick glance at urbanspoon yields a lot of pretty highly rated restaurants with a $10-15 entree range

What is 'highly rated'? I see a couple Olive Garden's in the 80% range and Red Lobsters in the upper 70's. People tend to rate OK food that is cheap pretty high. For God's sake, Tony Luke's is rated 87% on that site and it's a steak sandwich place!

I'm no expert on center city Philly, but outside of 'pubs', I'd say the City Tavern is a reasonably priced place. Obviously just one random dude's opinion, but I'd consider it a place with food well above an Olive Garden or Red Lobster and once you get into seafood or beef on their menu, you are looking at $24.95 or higher. I had rack of lamb there for $34.95 on my birthday and it was out of this world. If I'm getting an entree for less than $20 that is beef or seafood, I won't expect it to be much better than the chains.


Fair enough, I'm not an east coast guy and it's been a while. I generally don't trust most restaurants with protein-centric dinners, just because it's so much cheaper to do it at home, and I have a good charcoal grill and know how to use it (even many of the decent joints get it sub-par; rack of lamb is an art, and nothing makes me sadder than dried-out lobster). So for red meat or seafood, I'm either going big if I'm going out, or going home. Hence, when I'm looking in that price range, I'm looking for something I can't do easily or well, so my outlook on the whole deal is a little different. Plus, I've been living on the west coast and in Texas of late, so I'm kinda spoiled for price vs quality. If you look on the menu to Hugo's I posted up-thread though, you'll see you can get out for ~$20 an entree (though admittedly not for rack of lamb), and that's a James Beard nominated chef. Call me a food snob (it's probably deserved) but I just think anything over $10 an entree is too steep for mediocre chain food, but I'm kinda obsessive when it comes to local/organic/good food (I probably spend over five times more on food than I do on clothes in a year). That said, I've had a lot of meat/seafood entrees that were absolutely awesome for under $20, and I'm kinda picky. As I said though, region probably has a lot to do with it; last years trip to NYC was shockingly expensive, can't imagine Philly is that much better...
 
2012-06-22 11:23:34 PM
Indubitably: Perceive better?

Love works, mans.

Love energy is stronger than field energy.

You'll see.

Maybe without me?

;)


P.S. This relates to Red Lobster in that they might need to slow down and show some love, no?
 
2012-06-22 11:24:13 PM
theknuckler_33: I'd really be interested in hearing about the places that you can get a bonafide entree of seafood or steak for $16-20 that you think is significantly better than Olive Garden in center-city.

There is no such thing as good seafood and steak for that price range.

Seafood: The only way seafood is ever that cheap is if the restaurant is buying stuff that was farmed raised halfway across the world and frozen, and thus, tasteless. Wildly caught fish that has never been frozen is simply expensive because of the costs associated with catching the fish and then transporting to its destination without freezing it. And this isn't the restaurant marking-up the price. Got into any Whole Foods that has a mix of farm raised, frozen, wild caught, etc., and you'll see a huge pricing continuum. Same deal with things like lobster, crab and scallops. They're pretty expensive; only time they're ever cheap is if they've been frozen.

Steak: A steak of quality meat will simply cost in the mid-$20s. The difference between a $16 steak and $26 one is night and day.
 
2012-06-22 11:27:27 PM
Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.
 
2012-06-22 11:28:59 PM
badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.



Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA
 
2012-06-22 11:34:42 PM
I live in St. Louis. We have a neighborhood call The Hill with one of the best Italian food outside of NYC and many of them are quite reasonable.... Someone pls shoot me if you ever see me at a R. L or O.G.
Sad thing is there are actually many locals who go to these sorry excuse for Italian food.
 
2012-06-22 11:35:17 PM
Sounds like a lot of fools need to get the fark outta Dodge before Zimmerman gets acquitted.
 
2012-06-22 11:36:59 PM
theknuckler_33: misanthropic1: However, a quick glance at urbanspoon yields a lot of pretty highly rated restaurants with a $10-15 entree range

What is 'highly rated'? I see a couple Olive Garden's in the 80% range and Red Lobsters in the upper 70's. People tend to rate OK food that is cheap pretty high. For God's sake, Tony Luke's is rated 87% on that site and it's a steak sandwich place!

I'm no expert on center city Philly, but outside of 'pubs', I'd say the City Tavern is a reasonably priced place. Obviously just one random dude's opinion, but I'd consider it a place with food well above an Olive Garden or Red Lobster and once you get into seafood or beef on their menu, you are looking at $24.95 or higher. I had rack of lamb there for $34.95 on my birthday and it was out of this world. If I'm getting an entree for less than $20 that is beef or seafood, I won't expect it to be much better than the chains.


If City Tavern is your reference point, you need to try more Philly restaurants.

Suggestions that won't break the bank:

Melograno
Parc
Tinto
Zahav
Friday Saturday Sunday
Meme
Shake Shack
 
2012-06-22 11:45:11 PM
Olive Garden tastes straight out of a can and Red Lobster is the Taco Bell of all seafood restaurants. could that have anything to do with it?
 
2012-06-22 11:45:48 PM
badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Then you haven't lived.

All of this is a matter of taste but if I had to rate world cuisines (and I have devoted 28 of my 46 years to it) I give Italian the edge.

I was raised on Irish/English/Grill-a-steak/bake a fish/boil a lobster/clambake American cuisine, I think French is over-buttered and wined, over-played-with pretentious small portions, and I think raw fish sucks (Asian, ugh, too weird) along with the other odd weird things Asians like to eat (okay, I am fine with pork fried rice and hot'n'sour'soup but that's all we get here without paying premiums). I don't wanna remove the fish's eyeballs myself and I don't want sickly bottom-feeders. And seaweed? Ok, small doses. Authentic Asian food is for Asians although it's totally worth sampling here and there.

I started cooking and making my living off Italian food and think they had and have the best of all worlds, and that's why it is my favorite. Seafood, pasta, veggies, spices, all the meats we are familiar with.

I love Mediterranean cuisine though, and have a lot of respect for falafel, hummus, tabouleh, dolmades, etc. Middle-eastern totally works for me.

And then there's Indian food which is a whole different genre. Yum.

And don't even get me started on Tuscan and Neapolitan and pizza.
 
2012-06-22 11:46:22 PM
intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA


No matter where you go, what you get in an Italian place is not much different than what can be bought at a grocery store. just about any one of them, you can go into the frozen food section and find all kinds of bags of "something-alfredo" or "something-parmesiano" or whatever nonsense they do. It might not be the best but the crap in any restaurant sure isn't going to be seven times better to coinside with the price. I love steak. I know quite a few joints that do an awesome job. I complain the same about them. I have to go out to eat because my gf makes me. I can do almost as good for far far far far far less cost at home. So when it comes to restaurants and having to take it in the ass costwise, I am going to to someplace where it takes a little more effort to make my meal than pouring whatever sauce on some pasta or eggplant or chicken. Because in the end, that is the majority of Italian.
 
2012-06-22 11:54:10 PM
Benjimin_Dover: intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA

No matter where you go, what you get in an Italian place is not much different than what can be bought at a grocery store. just about any one of them, you can go into the frozen food section and find all kinds of bags of "something-alfredo" or "something-parmesiano" or whatever nonsense they do. It might not be the best but the crap in any restaurant sure isn't going to be seven times better to coinside with the price. I love steak. I know quite a few joints that do an awesome job. I complain the same about them. I have to go out to eat because my gf makes me. I can do almost as good for far far far far far less cost at home. So when it comes to restaurants and having to take it in the ass costwise, I am going to to someplace where it takes a little more effort to make my meal than pouring whatever sauce on some pasta or eggplant or chicken. Because in the end, that is the majority of Italian.


I should clarify that by "Italian" I'm talking about here in the US. I don't know what they do in Italy. I've never been there. Probably a third of my extended family is Italian and I have eaten at many of their places. Sauce and pastas with some meats and salads. That's it. The population in this metro area is 20% Italian according to census data. It was third behind NYC and Chicago for Mafia activities. It seems they rather like the US version of Italian restaurants too with all the sauce and pastas. So I don't know. I can only comment on what I have observed.
 
2012-06-22 11:55:11 PM
I'll eat at either RL or OG. They're OK and tend to have friendly staff.

The problem is that they charge too much.

I can save $5-$7 on a meal going to a little indie grill with a creative menu. It's cheaper and a lot better. I can also save $10-$12 a meal by eating at some outside taco carts around here. They kick ass.

Further, the taco carts are cheaper than McDonald's or the other fast food places.

When I can get higher quality food for less, that's what I buy. If OG could get me out the door with tax and tip for $8 like my favorite little Chinese place can, I might go.
 
2012-06-22 11:56:27 PM
At one time, I actually believed that each Olive Garden had a chef trained in Tuscany working in the kitchen.
 
2012-06-22 11:57:04 PM
Benjimin_Dover: intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA

No matter where you go, what you get in an Italian place is not much different than what can be bought at a grocery store. just about any one of them, you can go into the frozen food section and find all kinds of bags of "something-alfredo" or "something-parmesiano" or whatever nonsense they do. It might not be the best but the crap in any restaurant sure isn't going to be seven times better to coinside with the price. I love steak. I know quite a few joints that do an awesome job. I complain the same about them. I have to go out to eat because my gf makes me. I can do almost as good for far far far far far less cost at home. So when it comes to restaurants and having to take it in the ass costwise, I am going to to someplace where it takes a little more effort to make my meal than pouring whatever sauce on some pasta or eggplant or chicken. Because in the end, that is the majority of Italian.


Well, really the old world ethos of the cuisine is preserving the purity of quality ingredients (as I've been told, read, and experienced). So, while the preparations are often simple, they walk a fine line and depend on top shelf ingredients... the last part is the hinge; the quality of raw ingredients in Europe (in my experience and that of others' I've talked to) is so much better than the Monsanto mass-ag and factory farm meats we get here (for the most part) that it gets lost in translation. I'd take a food-oriented tour of the country before writing the whole epicurean culture off wholesale. Even then, a good sauce made with care from scratch is still a thing of beauty, even from unremarkable ingredients; do you mostly cook from cans or something?
 
2012-06-22 11:58:29 PM
HempHead: LtDarkstar: What's funny is watching all of the ghetto black people who go to Red Lobster in their "finest" fake furs and crap because to them that's a "very upscale restaurant" LOL! I wonder how many times Red Lobster has been asked if they take food stamps :P

Pappadeaux in Texas is the exact same.


I ate at Pappadeux when I was out there for work in Houston. I liked it as a tourist thing. Gigantic black ladies, tasty deep fry, coronary clogging goodness---what's not to like?

Seriously, I'd totaly eat there again, and get the fried skrimps.

/The giant black lady was so fat she needed assistance to get in and out of her chair.
//Yay Houston!
///You sad fat bastards.
 
2012-06-22 11:58:49 PM
Benjimin_Dover: intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA

No matter where you go, what you get in an Italian place is not much different than what can be bought at a grocery store. just about any one of them, you can go into the frozen food section and find all kinds of bags of "something-alfredo" or "something-parmesiano" or whatever nonsense they do. It might not be the best but the crap in any restaurant sure isn't going to be seven times better to coinside with the price. I love steak. I know quite a few joints that do an awesome job. I complain the same about them. I have to go out to eat because my gf makes me. I can do almost as good for far far far far far less cost at home. So when it comes to restaurants and having to take it in the ass costwise, I am going to to someplace where it takes a little more effort to make my meal than pouring whatever sauce on some pasta or eggplant or chicken. Because in the end, that is the majority of Italian.


*sigh*

That is because Italian food is so popular because it is so good that it has been bagged and processed.

/Gonna go buy a bag of pre-marinated burger patties. Love them so much.
//Try following an actual recipe for something as simple as chicken piccata and make it at home. Then you'll see why there are so many Italian pre-prepared in the local grocery store.
 
2012-06-23 12:00:41 AM
Benjimin_Dover:
I should clarify that by "Italian" I'm talking about here in the US. I don't know what they do in Italy. I've never been there. Probably a third of my extended family is Italian and I have eaten at many of their places. Sauce and pastas with some meats and salads. That's it. The population in this metro area is 20% Italian according to census data. It was third behind NYC and Chicago for Mafia activities. It seems they rather like the US version of Italian restaurants too with all the sauce and pastas. So I don't know. I can only comment on what I have observed.


Shoulda refreshed. That said, I've had good Italian in the US, though it largely depends on what type of Italian food you're talking about; it's pretty regional and seasonal, like a lot of places.
 
2012-06-23 12:00:55 AM
dericwater: PF Chang's is the worst mass-market chinese food I've ever been in. It's vile. The food is way over salted and even if they claim no MSG, I leave there with that MSG shake and the tightening of the throat.

Just vile and way too expensive for chinese.


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i requested NO salt
 
2012-06-23 12:01:50 AM
styckx: My favorite ghetto place (and by ghetto I mean stereotyping the place by the commericials) is Golden Corral. I see their commercials all the time and lol @ the fattie magnet Chocolate Wonderfall and now they're even giving away Cotton Candy.. That place is the poster child for obesity in America.

Golden Corral, and several near-identical predecessors, was my parents' favorite restaurant. Never do I recall being steered towards a green vegetable on the buffet, nor do I remember either parent ever taking such a thing for themselves.

But Farkers don't let me blame my obesity on anything but lack of exercise/self control, so never mind.
 
2012-06-23 12:03:57 AM
intelligent comment below: badgerb: Benjimin_Dover: I'm not sure why ANY person goes out to a restaurant to get "Italian." Seriously? It's a sauce on some shape of pasta. You can do the same shiat at your place for a buck or so worth of stuff.

This.

Italian food is overrated.


Go to Italy before you say that.

Or even Chicago, NYC, LA


I think you may be overlooking Boston.
 
2012-06-23 12:05:06 AM
misanthropic1: urban.derelict: Omahawg: Interesting, but what the hell's Capers?

sarcasm or a real question?

Yeah. I don't understand it either. Are they pickled peas or something? What's with the jar of formaldehyde? Who the f*ck would eat that?

Respectively: flower buds, it's pickling liquid, and me. It's quintessential to much Mediterranean food, high-end tarter sauces/seafood salads, and most anything with smoked salmon (especially on an everything bagel with cream cheese and red onion). If you're more comfortable with double cheeseburgers though, more power to ya, I guess.


a place 'round here used to serve a holsteiner schnitzel: basic schniztel with cream cheese, lox, and capers. best thing ever. nom nom nom
 
2012-06-23 12:07:36 AM
kidsizedcoffin: styckx: Dude, people dip steak and meatloaf in that fountain and not for jokes either. Link

shiat, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.


Only if you've fought for that right.
 
2012-06-23 12:09:10 AM
ZeroCorpse: Anyway, I'm sad that Chi-Chi's is gone. There are none left in Michigan that I know of, and I assume the chain is long-since dead.

RIP Chi-Chi's
 
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