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(Engadget)   Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government   (engadget.com) divider line 123
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2012-06-22 06:27:05 PM  
Its quite sad how he was treated.

This man was brilliant. By merit alone he should have been given even more chances where he could have increased our knowledge ten fold. Unfortunately, hatred got in the way, and we are still paying for it.
 
2012-06-22 07:08:08 PM  
The World owes you a huge thanks, Mr. Turing!

Sorry you couldn't find the solution to why people are such asshats to their fellow humans.
 
2012-06-22 07:08:18 PM  
Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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2012-06-22 07:11:26 PM  
He also got into a biatch-fight with Wittgenstein over bridges and math or some shiat.
 
2012-06-22 07:11:58 PM  

BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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/RIP, father of the arquebus
 
2012-06-22 07:13:36 PM  

cman: Its quite sad how he was treated.


And a significant segment of the public wishes we still treated gay people this way.
 
2012-06-22 07:14:36 PM  

BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.
 
2012-06-22 07:15:55 PM  
I'm thinking it was the Rooskies that did most of the fighting and dying in WWII, in Europe anyway.
 
2012-06-22 07:17:53 PM  

BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.


Yeah, but the other great men generally weren't chemically castrated just because of who they were attracted to.
 
2012-06-22 07:24:07 PM  

Snow-Dog: BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.

Yeah, but the other great men generally weren't chemically castrated just because of who they were attracted to.


True that, but I have serious doubts the rule of law in 1950s England was created with Turing in mind. I imagine the rule of law existed before Turing was born. You can't go around saying the government betrayed him when the government did exactly as it said it would do according to the law books of that time.

So, again, it was his penis, or more specifically, his inability to control it or keep its doings a secret, that betrayed him.
 
2012-06-22 07:25:00 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-06-22 07:25:36 PM  
found dead at age 41

The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long. 41 hardly seems like you've begun living.
 
2012-06-22 07:27:02 PM  

BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.


This really wasn't a case of not being discreet.
 
2012-06-22 07:27:50 PM  
 
2012-06-22 07:29:07 PM  

mantidor: BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.

This really wasn't a case of not being discreet.


I'll bet it was Rudy von something-or-other who told on him!
 
2012-06-22 07:29:19 PM  
wtf? everyone knows steve jobs invented the modern computer. that's why we all use apples now.
 
2012-06-22 07:31:16 PM  
This still happens, or has happened until recently, in a sense. The US has thrown away hundreds of millions of dollars training people in the military only to kick them out. Even worse seeing the fact that many of the people kicked out were Arabic translators. Dishonorable discharges, equivalent to a felony in the eyes of employers, because someone was attracted to their own sex.

And many of our representatives want to go back to that.
 
2012-06-22 07:31:17 PM  

some_beer_drinker: wtf? everyone knows steve jobs invented the modern computer. that's why we all use apples now.


You're thinking of the newton, Al gore invented the modern computer.
 
2012-06-22 07:37:35 PM  

RoxtarRyan: This still happens, or has happened until recently, in a sense. The US has thrown away hundreds of millions of dollars training people in the military only to kick them out. Even worse seeing the fact that many of the people kicked out were Arabic translators. Dishonorable discharges, equivalent to a felony in the eyes of employers, because someone was attracted to their own sex.

And many of our representatives want to go back to that.


don't ask, don't tell tacitly included 'don't pursue'.

many of those knocked out wound up... 'discreetly' pursuing within the service to one degree or another. many of the rest decided 'fark it' and owned up figuring better to be thrown out than to live a lie.

biggest mistake to make is diddling another service member regardless of orientation, ESPECIALLY same-service, even more-so same base, and if it's same unit you're just retarded and need to be kicked out anyways.

/fraternization rules exist for a VERY good reason.
 
2012-06-22 07:37:59 PM  
Went and edumacated myself on the particulars of Turing's indecency case, and it appears it was more his mouth that got him in trouble than his wanker. Undoubtedly a brilliant mind, nevertheless he stupidly confessed to a crime during the reporting of another crime.
 
2012-06-22 07:40:27 PM  

BroVinny: Snow-Dog: BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.

Yeah, but the other great men generally weren't chemically castrated just because of who they were attracted to.

True that, but I have serious doubts the rule of law in 1950s England was created with Turing in mind. I imagine the rule of law existed before Turing was born. You can't go around saying the government betrayed him when the government did exactly as it said it would do according to the law books of that time.

So, again, it was his penis, or more specifically, his inability to control it or keep its doings a secret, that betrayed him.


You're either a troll or an idiot. Probably both. His penis didn't even come into play, he loved other men, therefore his government betrayed and destroyed him. In any case, I don't argue with trolls, and my idiot quotient filled up some time around Tuesday afternoon, so I'm off to get drunk.
 
2012-06-22 07:43:58 PM  
Whoohoo, I'm glad to see Turing getting the recognition that he deserves, even if it's too late to do him any good.

/Subby
//Also, John von Neumann's 110th anniversary of his birth is coming up. I don't think anybody did anything for his centenary, but we should do something for that, too.
 
2012-06-22 07:44:21 PM  
The fun part of these threads is seeing who rushes in to make sure their homophobic comment is heard, so that they can go resisting their own desires.

The not so fun part is realizing that throughout human history, the energy spent persecuting gays, or keeping oneself tightly closeted, has probably prevented some really great stuff from being invented and definitely kept some wonderful voices from being heard.
 
2012-06-22 07:44:57 PM  

BroVinny: Snow-Dog: BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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/RIP, father of the arquebus

What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.

Yeah, but the other great men generally weren't chemically castrated just because of who they were attracted to.

True that, but I have serious doubts the rule of law in 1950s England was created with Turing in mind. I imagine the rule of law existed before Turing was born. You can't go around saying the government betrayed him when the government did exactly as it said it would do according to the law books of that time.

So, again, it was his penis, or more specifically, his inability to control it or keep its doings a secret, that betrayed him.


Kinda like blacks who couldn't manage to control their skin color during slavery? That wasn't the government betraying them as humans at all...

/Pride weekend
//He was kinda cute!
 
2012-06-22 07:45:41 PM  

Snow-Dog: BroVinny: Snow-Dog: BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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/RIP, father of the arquebus

What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.

Yeah, but the other great men generally weren't chemically castrated just because of who they were attracted to.

True that, but I have serious doubts the rule of law in 1950s England was created with Turing in mind. I imagine the rule of law existed before Turing was born. You can't go around saying the government betrayed him when the government did exactly as it said it would do according to the law books of that time.

So, again, it was his penis, or more specifically, his inability to control it or keep its doings a secret, that betrayed him.

You're either a troll or an idiot. Probably both. His penis didn't even come into play, he loved other men, therefore his government betrayed and destroyed him. In any case, I don't argue with trolls, and my idiot quotient filled up some time around Tuesday afternoon, so I'm off to get drunk.


It's not betrayal to follow through in doing exactly what you say you're going to do.

The law was stupid, and I'm glad it's changed, but it nevertheless was a social contract that said if a happens, the government will do b. If the government had said it would protect his rights regardless of lifestyle and then did this atrocity to him, some sense of betrayal is a given.

And if his penis never came into play, as you say, I have to feel rather sorry for the other men he loved.
 
2012-06-22 07:47:01 PM  

Snow-Dog: BroVinny: Snow-Dog: BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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/RIP, father of the arquebus

What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.

Yeah, but the other great men generally weren't chemically castrated just because of who they were attracted to.

True that, but I have serious doubts the rule of law in 1950s England was created with Turing in mind. I imagine the rule of law existed before Turing was born. You can't go around saying the government betrayed him when the government did exactly as it said it would do according to the law books of that time.

So, again, it was his penis, or more specifically, his inability to control it or keep its doings a secret, that betrayed him.

You're either a troll or an idiot. Probably both. His penis didn't even come into play, he loved other men, therefore his government betrayed and destroyed him. In any case, I don't argue with trolls, and my idiot quotient filled up some time around Tuesday afternoon, so I'm off to get drunk.


no, he pretty much farked himself on that one by admitting to the cops that he'd had sex with one of the guys that broke into his house. (it was how the burglars knew where it was. think the bit with the artist in as good as it gets only without greg kinnear's endearing puppy-eyes and boy next door all grown up good looks.
 
2012-06-22 07:57:07 PM  

RexTalionis: Whoohoo, I'm glad to see Turing getting the recognition that he deserves, even if it's too late to do him any good.

/Subby
//Also, John von Neumann's 110th anniversary of his birth is coming up. I don't think anybody did anything for his centenary, but we should do something for that, too.


I, for one, will buy a nice suit.
 
2012-06-22 08:00:25 PM  
Just think how much more we, as a part of Western society, could have accomplished by this point if we hadn't wasted all that energy worrying about what people were doing with their naughty bits and who they were doing it with.
 
2012-06-22 08:01:51 PM  

BroVinny: Went and edumacated myself on the particulars of Turing's indecency case, and it appears it was more his mouth that got him in trouble than his wanker. Undoubtedly a brilliant mind, nevertheless he stupidly confessed to a crime during the reporting of another crime.


There are not much specifics, but it seems it was him not trying to hide something that was natural for him. As it happens to extremely intelligent people ,he just didn't had that "street smarts" quality. I honestly think is possible he didn't know it was illegal.
 
2012-06-22 08:05:19 PM  

embiggen: Kinda like blacks who couldn't manage to control their skin color during slavery? That wasn't the government betraying them as humans at all...


Definition of "betrayal" from Wikipedia:

Betrayal (or backstabbing) is the breaking or violation of a presumptive contract, trust, or confidence that produces moral and psychological conflict within a relationship amongst individuals, between organizations or between individuals and organizations.

Feel free to glean additional definitions from online dictionaries. The thing you'll find as the recurring theme is violation of trust. The U.S. Government in its early days did not give its black slaves any reason to trust them. There was no social contract; heck, in the eyes of the government, blacks weren't even people. Since there was no contract extended to the black man, there was no trust to violate.

I'm glad we live in a freer world. I'm glad people of all colors, creeds, and orientations can view one another as equals. I think the British government did Turing a grave disservice by enforcing the laws that were on the books at the time. But again, that doesn't make it a betrayal.
 
2012-06-22 08:08:40 PM  

BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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/RIP, father of the arquebus


I love that little paw.
 
2012-06-22 08:27:13 PM  
The problem with Turing was that he was socially pretty unaware. He'd spent most of his adult life at King's College, Cambridge where being gay is practically an admissions requirement, with a stint at Blechley park which was pretty much crawling eccentrics, so nobody too much notice.

So, after the war, when he went into the "real world" (Manchester), he didn't even realise that it might not be a good idea to tell the police that you were having sex with the man who robbed you. So, the Mancunian Plod decided to arrest him, and once the wheels of justice start turning, they're pretty difficult to stop. Maybe he would have been better off doing a stint at Reading, like Wilde.
 
2012-06-22 08:32:29 PM  
Didn't the Poles do a lot of work laying the groundwork for what was achieved later at Bletchley Park before they got overrun?
 
2012-06-22 08:34:18 PM  
Sad how he was treated.
 
2012-06-22 08:38:22 PM  
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/oblig
 
2012-06-22 08:41:50 PM  
In related news, Google has a nifty new interactive doodle commemorating Turing's 100th birthday.
 
2012-06-22 08:50:11 PM  
Yeah, the world wars were unsurprisingly a significantly more farked up time than either the preceding or the following period.
 
2012-06-22 09:00:18 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Didn't the Poles do a lot of work laying the groundwork for what was achieved later at Bletchley Park before they got overrun?


Yep. It was actually a Pole named Marion Rejewski who initially broke Enigma, and it was he who invented the cryptologic bombe. Turing, brilliant as he was, merely built upon Rejewski's work.
 
2012-06-22 09:03:08 PM  

BroVinny: So, again, it was his penis, or more specifically, his inability to control it or keep its doings a secret, that betrayed him.


Turing felt that he was doing nothing wrong, and that his sex life was his own business. He was correct.
 
2012-06-22 09:22:57 PM  

BroVinny: I'm glad we live in a freer world. I'm glad people of all colors, creeds, and orientations can view one another as equals. I think the British government did Turing a grave disservice by enforcing the laws that were on the books at the time. But again, that doesn't make it a betrayal.


I'd call it a betrayal because he worked his tail off in the war to destroy the fascists, only to have more fascists tell him who he can bork.
 
2012-06-22 09:27:58 PM  

PanicMan: Sad how he was treated.


Sadder how he would STILL be treated so many years after his death.
 
2012-06-22 09:37:21 PM  

dittybopper: Seth'n'Spectrum: Didn't the Poles do a lot of work laying the groundwork for what was achieved later at Bletchley Park before they got overrun?

Yep. It was actually a Pole named Marion Rejewski who initially broke Enigma, and it was he who invented the cryptologic bombe. Turing, brilliant as he was, merely built upon Rejewski's work.


And Polish resistance fighters grabbed a working enigma machine and smuggled it to England. They used a commercial variant to fool the Germans.
 
2012-06-22 09:47:34 PM  

mr intrepid: dittybopper: Seth'n'Spectrum: Didn't the Poles do a lot of work laying the groundwork for what was achieved later at Bletchley Park before they got overrun?

Yep. It was actually a Pole named Marion Rejewski who initially broke Enigma, and it was he who invented the cryptologic bombe. Turing, brilliant as he was, merely built upon Rejewski's work.

And Polish resistance fighters grabbed a working enigma machine and smuggled it to England. They used a commercial variant to fool the Germans.


This whole thing really ought to be in a movie. There was more than one Enigma, and there was more than one Bombe because of that, when Turing took charge the germans had already made Enigma II and he was basically starting from scratch, or so Ive read. Of course the polish Bombe helped him, but is not like he just took the machine and run it against the secret codes.
 
2012-06-22 09:51:05 PM  

BroVinny: Snow-Dog: BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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/RIP, father of the arquebus

What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.

Yeah, but the other great men generally weren't chemically castrated just because of who they were attracted to.

True that, but I have serious doubts the rule of law in 1950s England was created with Turing in mind. I imagine the rule of law existed before Turing was born. You can't go around saying the government betrayed him when the government did exactly as it said it would do according to the law books of that time.

So, again, it was his penis, or more specifically, his inability to control it or keep its doings a secret, that betrayed him.


You're missing the broader point, in two ways: First, being honest and open about who you are is not the same thing as being indiscreet: blaming the victim is very unattractive. Second, the UK betrayed *all* gay men affected by this law, not just Turning.
 
2012-06-22 10:05:42 PM  

mantidor: BroVinny: BumpInTheNight: BroVinny: Remembering Alan Turing at 100: The man who shortened WWII by 3 years single-handedly and laid the foundation for modern computing, but was betrayed by his government penis

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What? Lots of great men throughout history were ruined (or at least marred) by not being discreet.

This really wasn't a case of not being discreet.


Sounds like it from what I have read, numerous people were gay but kept it hidden when society as a whole acts in a way towards a demographic how is it the government? The reason he most likely offed himself is because he was stripped of all his clearances and responsibilities because he didn't do what those funding his research wanted him to do. That's the way it goes a lot, they hide any vices or outside societal norms as long as you do what they want you to do.
 
2012-06-22 10:08:10 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: You're missing the broader point, in two ways: First, being honest and open about who you are is not the same thing as being indiscreet: blaming the victim is very unattractive. Second, the UK betrayed *all* gay men affected by this law, not just Turning.


Don't forget, only a few decades earlier, they put Oscar Wilde into a hard labor camp for the same thing, and the experience destroyed his health to the point that he died a few years after his release.
 
2012-06-22 10:11:13 PM  
Yes, he singlehandedly stormed the beaches, drove the tanks, loaded the guns, took cities, flew airplanes, and captained all sea vessels.

Look, yeah the guy was a freaking genius and made great and fantastic contributions to the human race, but he didn't do it SINGLE HANDED.

/its a pet peeve
 
2012-06-22 10:14:04 PM  

dahmers love zombie: definitely kept some wonderful voices from being heard.


Thanks for the post, Seacrest

/i keed i keed
 
2012-06-22 10:19:03 PM  

Bad_Seed: The problem with Turing was that he was socially pretty unaware. He'd spent most of his adult life at King's College, Cambridge where being gay is practically an admissions requirement, with a stint at Blechley park which was pretty much crawling eccentrics, so nobody too much notice.

So, after the war, when he went into the "real world" (Manchester), he didn't even realise that it might not be a good idea to tell the police that you were having sex with the man who robbed you. So, the Mancunian Plod decided to arrest him, and once the wheels of justice start turning, they're pretty difficult to stop. Maybe he would have been better off doing a stint at Reading, like Wilde.


Right, the problem with intolerant societies and bigots is always that their victims aren't always clever enough to avoid persecution.

Listen, wrong is wrong. You can blame the Puritan who spoke the truth about masturbation. You can blame the slave who mouthed off to his master. You can blame the Jew who didn't avoid eye contact with a brownshirt. And you can blame the queer who admitted the truth. None of that mitigates the fundamental crime of inhumanity one bit.

Can we please stop blaming victims for their oppressors' wrongdoing?

It's not that Turing might have known better, been more discreet, maybe lied when it mattered -- all of that is factual. But he did nothing *wrong*. What happened to him was wrong for that reason alone. All the rest is irrelevant academic bickering that hasn't mattered for a very long time. This far on, can we finally admit that what happened to him was just plain wrong, and stop qualifying it?
 
2012-06-22 10:23:37 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: You're missing the broader point, in two ways: First, being honest and open about who you are is not the same thing as being indiscreet: blaming the victim is very unattractive.


Okay, here's an exercise. Here's an example of how Turing hypothetically could have been open and honest about who he is:

"I am a homosexual man."

Here is an example of being indiscreet:

"I had sexual relations with the man who later broke into my house."

See the difference? One is a statement of identity, the other is an admission to activity--activity that (stupidly, unjustly) happened to be illegal when Turning admitted to it.

Second, the UK betrayed *all* gay men affected by this law, not just Turning.

To prove the betrayal, you have to prove the prior establishment of trust between the UK and *all* gay men that was violated. All I can see is the UK saying, "You can trust us on this: If you are convicted of indecency, you will be punished."

I will say and have said the law was stupid and unjust, and maybe you can accuse me of being overly-pedantic about word meanings, but again, betrayal has at its core the idea of violation of trust, and the UK government had given Turing no reason to trust them in this matter.
 
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