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2012-06-22 07:55:15 PM
2 votes:

rkallister: [encrypted-tbn1.google.com image 223x226]

Swastika

[upload.wikimedia.org image 150x150]

Symbol for Temple

All clear now?


I see you've never been to Asia.
2012-06-22 07:07:03 PM
2 votes:
I hope that more groups like this spring up. The swastika has been around pre-recorded history, and because 12 years there were some evil dudes who used it as a symbol of hate, the swastika is automatically associated with this evil. Its time for us to take the swastika away from the Nazi's
2012-06-23 02:39:11 AM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: Are all Raelians hot women in bikinis?


No, but like anyone else with a bit of money they are perfectly able to hire a few bikini models for a photoshoot.
2012-06-22 10:58:14 PM
1 votes:
These are on the floor of the Customs House in Sydney:

2.bp.blogspot.com


You get a bit taken aback before realising it was built in 1845.
2012-06-22 09:35:40 PM
1 votes:

eggrolls: Who knows? The damn thing was everywhere right before Hitler showed up.

[encrypted-tbn0.google.com image 238x212]

Turn of the century slipper ad.

[crashingthegoalie.files.wordpress.com image 350x260]

Canadian girl's hockey team, 1923

[www.germaniainternational.com image 357x286]

"Lady Luck" pattern china made in Ohio, 1920s

Ten years later, fergeddaboutit. Crystal Pepsi and AYDS didn't lose market share this fast.


I think this probably had a lot to do with the shift. Swastikas were all the rage in the West for a good couple of decades before Hitler. Then this bastard uses it to represent his evil empire. The cultural whiplash kinda makes it too taboo to go back to the way it used to be. Imagine if Sandusky had been the international face of the Ronald McDonald House just before the scandal broke - McDonalds would never be able to use the clown again
2012-06-22 09:35:38 PM
1 votes:

Indubitably: gadian: It's going to happen eventually, it might as well begin with these nutjobs.

You sound displeased.

Fascist much?

;)


Displeased? No, I'm very pleased that someone is trying this. It needs to be done. These guys are still nutjobs, though.
2012-06-22 09:25:50 PM
1 votes:

doglover: Maybe. In Japan, it's a centuries old marker for Buddhist temples.


Yes. Saw it on Buddhist temples in Korea, too. A Korean told me that the symbol represents "the heart of Buddha."
2012-06-22 08:42:08 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

The livery chosen for a Dublin laundry company in 1912. I believe the company operated until the 60s....

The very first non-Nazi swastika I ever saw was a Buddhist one in a hippy-run head-shop. And I don't see a problem at all with it. It's a simple geometric shape, that has been discovered and used by all the peoples of the Earth at some point in time.

If fascists aren't allowed to use the swastika they'll just come up with their own cool designs, such as Golden Dawn in Greece:

upload.wikimedia.org

If nationalists and fascists exist in your country, they'll rally around whichever symbol they choose, if swastikas are not available.
2012-06-22 08:35:52 PM
1 votes:
The Hindus ain't too happy either !

upload.wikimedia.org
2012-06-22 08:33:58 PM
1 votes:
Rael UFO? Where?
i224.photobucket.com
2012-06-22 08:25:33 PM
1 votes:
There's a certain segment of the population in Asia that really has a thing for Hitler and nazi imagery (and yes I am aware of the swastika's prior history in Asia) - and they aren't all necessarily right-wing zealots. Partially I think you can blame it on his snappy uniforms. It's eerie especially considering the way Asians ranked on Hitler's racial hierarchies.
2012-06-22 08:10:40 PM
1 votes:
When Michael Jordan showed up in a Hanes commercial with a toothbrush mustache, I thought: "Here's pretty much the only guy in the history of the world with a chance to take that back from Hitler."

I was probably wrong and nobody ever saw Jordan'shiatlerstache again.

It does seem silly that the guy ruined a particular facial hair style forever, but he did.
2012-06-22 08:03:52 PM
1 votes:
The problem isn't a lack of people aware of its history, once upon a time.

The problem is the amount of people still using it as a symbol of hate.

You're going to avoid going into the pool if one group, no matter how small or misguided, keeps shiatting in it.
2012-06-22 08:02:34 PM
1 votes:
Just let the swastika go man, because it's gone.
2012-06-22 07:58:49 PM
1 votes:

picturescrazy: cman: I hope that more groups like this spring up. The swastika has been around pre-recorded history, and because 12 years there were some evil dudes who used it as a symbol of hate, the swastika is automatically associated with this evil. Its time for us to take the swastika away from the Nazi's

It wasn't just some evil dudes. Hitler was the ultimate bad guy. Stalin and Mao may have killed a lot more people, but they killed their own people (not saying that isn't as bad, but for the average person, it doesn't have the same terror). Hitler conquered other nations, and killed their people. And he did it so well that it took the combined forces of England, Russia, and the US years to stop him. He's the closest thing we've ever had to a Sauron in real life, and the swastika is the symbol most closely associated with him. The swastika can not be taken back until long after WWII is just another boring footnote in a long ago history.


Stalin was a Georgian who was responsible for deaths of millions of Ukrainians, etc. Many of the components of the USSR were conquered peoples. Look at all the countries that exist again since communism fell. They aren't Russian.

The reason he doesn't catch heat like Hitler imo is that he happened to be on the victorious side. Also I dont think the west really new the extent of what was going on in the USSR in the twenties and thirties until long after it happened. With the Nazis the ovens were all there for the world to see in the present time.

I agree with your last statement though. At least in the west its connotation with nazis isn't going anywhere for a long time, no matter how many hot bikini clad UFO weirdo chicks want to take it back.
2012-06-22 07:57:15 PM
1 votes:
they are not enthusiasts. They are an actual cult. I have two of their holy books and went to one of their recruitment meetings. they claim to use psychic sex powers and to understand intergalactic cloning technology. It's quite fascinating and hilarious at the same time.
2012-06-22 07:55:46 PM
1 votes:
aren't these the same attention whores who claimed to clone a human being?
2012-06-22 07:45:34 PM
1 votes:

rkallister: [encrypted-tbn1.google.com image 223x226]

Swastika

[upload.wikimedia.org image 150x150]

Symbol for Temple

All clear now?


It's actually not that simple.
2012-06-22 07:34:56 PM
1 votes:

rkallister: [encrypted-tbn1.google.com image 223x226]

Swastika

[upload.wikimedia.org image 150x150]

Symbol for Temple

All clear now?


That's just a false distinctions that people have tried to make since Hitler screwed things up for the Buddhists/Jains/Hindus. The direction of the swastika doesn't matter, and the kind the Nazis used were as widely used as the other kind until the Nazis started using them.
2012-06-22 07:31:06 PM
1 votes:
I remember my father showing me the old swastika engraved Luger he got from my grandfather when I was young. I haven't seen it since, being that it's obviously something that he's not particularly proud of, but it's technically a family heirloom, so he's held onto it. I also remember seeing him (my grandfather) with his shirt off around the same time, and the giant, wrinkled and faded swastika on the right side of his chest.

/gramps fought in the war

//for the other side

///amazing artist though, unlike another who loved the symbol...
2012-06-22 07:29:54 PM
1 votes:
encrypted-tbn1.google.com

Swastika

upload.wikimedia.org

Symbol for Temple

All clear now?
2012-06-22 07:27:49 PM
1 votes:

doglover: I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: Yeah, and next you're gonna tell me Pharaoh-worshippers are going to succeed in taking back the cross from the Christians...

Well, considering the swastika didn't kill anybody, I don't see the problem. China and the Soviets killed TONS of people, and they had stars on their flags. We didn't pop the stars off Old Glory, though. The Nazis had a lot of eagles too. We still kept ours.

I don't see why the swastika, which is actually highly stylized on the Nazi flag and easily reversed in spin to look different, is still taboo. Especially considering how little taboo the Nazis themselves actually have. I mean this:
[bestof4chan.com image 500x750]
is freakin' funny. Not horrible or condoning anything that happened in the 20th century. It's just a silly image maro and a kid with no idea what he's wearing.

But somehow the swastika is still considered the sole property of the Nazis. It's sad there's not more groups trying to take it back, really. In a generation or two, it could be re-assimilated and racists will have to find some other tattoo to be really offensive.


Why should anyone intentionally try to re-purpose any symbols? They mean what they mean. Just because they can and do change with time does not mean intentionally changing them is a valuable activity.

So... WHY?

Just because the swastika now has well defined negative connotations? I like having symbols with well defined connotations available, both positive and negative. It's useful for conveying a wide range of ideas to other people.

As an ex-Buddhist, I sympathize with people who have historical ties to the symbol, and I think it's healthy for those people to educate others about why the symbol is engraved on their ancient temples and prayer bells. New organizations and cults should just find a new farking symbol.
2012-06-22 07:25:56 PM
1 votes:

bugmn99: It HAS been taken back. Yay, something!


Maybe. In Japan, it's a centuries old marker for Buddhist temples. The Nazi symbol is reversed and diagonal. After about ten minutes, it looks totally different than a normal swastika forever.



Look at this map of Kyoto: Link At first the three temples will make you say "ZOMG NAZIS!" But then, any rational person will look closer and then BOOM! "Oh yeah, different thing."

Peace: 1 Hate:0
2012-06-22 07:24:42 PM
1 votes:

cman: I hope that more groups like this spring up. The swastika has been around pre-recorded history, and because 12 years there were some evil dudes who used it as a symbol of hate, the swastika is automatically associated with this evil. Its time for us to take the swastika away from the Nazi's


It wasn't just some evil dudes. Hitler was the ultimate bad guy. Stalin and Mao may have killed a lot more people, but they killed their own people (not saying that isn't as bad, but for the average person, it doesn't have the same terror). Hitler conquered other nations, and killed their people. And he did it so well that it took the combined forces of England, Russia, and the US years to stop him. He's the closest thing we've ever had to a Sauron in real life, and the swastika is the symbol most closely associated with him. The swastika can not be taken back until long after WWII is just another boring footnote in a long ago history.
2012-06-22 07:20:26 PM
1 votes:

cman: I hope that more groups like this spring up. The swastika has been around pre-recorded history, and because 12 years there were some evil dudes who used it as a symbol of hate, the swastika is automatically associated with this evil. Its time for us to take the swastika away from the Nazi's


And I'd like to sport a Charlie Chaplin mustache from time to time, but Hitler farked that up too.
2012-06-22 07:18:30 PM
1 votes:

doglover: I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: Yeah, and next you're gonna tell me Pharaoh-worshippers are going to succeed in taking back the cross from the Christians...

Well, considering the swastika didn't kill anybody, I don't see the problem. China and the Soviets killed TONS of people, and they had stars on their flags. We didn't pop the stars off Old Glory, though. The Nazis had a lot of eagles too. We still kept ours.

I don't see why the swastika, which is actually highly stylized on the Nazi flag and easily reversed in spin to look different, is still taboo. Especially considering how little taboo the Nazis themselves actually have. I mean this:
[bestof4chan.com image 500x750]
is freakin' funny. Not horrible or condoning anything that happened in the 20th century. It's just a silly image maro and a kid with no idea what he's wearing.

But somehow the swastika is still considered the sole property of the Nazis. It's sad there's not more groups trying to take it back, really. In a generation or two, it could be re-assimilated and racists will have to find some other tattoo to be really offensive.


upload.wikimedia.org

It HAS been taken back. Yay, something!
2012-06-22 06:57:07 PM
1 votes:

I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: Yeah, and next you're gonna tell me Pharaoh-worshippers are going to succeed in taking back the cross from the Christians...


Well, considering the swastika didn't kill anybody, I don't see the problem. China and the Soviets killed TONS of people, and they had stars on their flags. We didn't pop the stars off Old Glory, though. The Nazis had a lot of eagles too. We still kept ours.

I don't see why the swastika, which is actually highly stylized on the Nazi flag and easily reversed in spin to look different, is still taboo. Especially considering how little taboo the Nazis themselves actually have. I mean this:
bestof4chan.com
is freakin' funny. Not horrible or condoning anything that happened in the 20th century. It's just a silly image maro and a kid with no idea what he's wearing.

But somehow the swastika is still considered the sole property of the Nazis. It's sad there's not more groups trying to take it back, really. In a generation or two, it could be re-assimilated and racists will have to find some other tattoo to be really offensive.
2012-06-22 05:27:21 PM
1 votes:
While the sentiment is good, I think there's a certain group who will be quite vocal in their opposition.
2012-06-22 05:13:38 PM
1 votes:
Well, good luck. I don't think it'll go over super well.
2012-06-22 05:09:23 PM
1 votes:
O Raelly?
 
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