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2012-06-22 11:50:44 PM  

taxandspend: xynix: spongeboob: xynix: In Corinthians: "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality

What version of the Bible are you quoting from?

King James though the verse has not changed in 2000 years except for a few altercations not relevant to the content.

I'm sorry, when do we think the King James version of the Bible was written? In the year 12? Jesus must have had a shiatstorm when he read what was going to happen to him when he grew up.


how the fark did I miss THAT tidbit...?
 
2012-06-23 12:01:30 AM  
Dick Cheney, RINO?
 
2012-06-23 12:36:29 AM  

taxandspend: xynix: spongeboob: xynix: In Corinthians: "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality

What version of the Bible are you quoting from?

King James though the verse has not changed in 2000 years except for a few altercations not relevant to the content.

I'm sorry, when do we think the King James version of the Bible was written? In the year 12? Jesus must have had a shiatstorm when he read what was going to happen to him when he grew up.


I don't get how you are interpreting that from his comment. I read that the verse has been "not relevantly" changed from the time of its authorship up until now, including with the King James edition. I'm not convinced that's necessarily true, or how he could know that it is, but I don't understand how you reached your interpretation.

Anyway, it wasn't King James at all, so I'm not sure why he said it was, either.
 
2012-06-23 12:54:47 AM  

xynix: AirForceVet:

If it were the literal Word of God, no one would eat shellfish, having sex with one's daughters is AOK, slavery is cool, having multiple wives as property is better than sliced bread, she bears would rush out of the woods on comma ...

You're talking about the old testament which isn't relevant in modern day Christianity. Which by the way always pisses me off when someone mentions Leviticus as a reason to oppose gay marriage.

In Corinthians: "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality." That to me is very clear.. it requires no interpretations. If you cheat on your spouse or if you're gay you're not welcome.. The first two parts are open to interpretation.


If you are quoting KJV then no.

I Corinthians 6:9:
King James Version of the Bible translates verse 9 and 10 as:
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

There are literally 25 versions of this in English.

25 English versions of the word

The original Greek text describes the two behaviors as "malakoi" (malakoi). -- some sources quote "malakee" -- and "arsenokoitai" (arsenokoitai). These are interpreted differently in both Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25 as "soft" (KJV) or as "fine" (NIV) in references to clothing. It could also mean "loose" or "pliable," as in the phrase "loose morals," implying "unethical behavior." In the early Christian church, the words were interpreted by some as referring to persons who are pliable, easily influenced, without courage or stability. Non-Biblical writings of the era used the world to refer to lazy men, men who cannot handle hard work, and cowards.

So to use the Corinthians as your stance against homosexual marriage is flawed in so many ways. It would seem that the word "effeminate" can only be regarded as a mistranslation.

So this is just silly. To use a book that has 25 interpretations in English alone is blatant ignorance.
 
2012-06-23 01:23:27 AM  

Linux_Yes: i bet ole' dick is so proud!


He is. He always has been, and he's told the press the same. For decades. What now, moron?
 
2012-06-23 01:41:23 AM  
I just wonder whether Christians are for self-mutilation because they have probably looked at a woman "lustfully", are for divorce ONLY in cases of sexual immorality or are against swearing an oath on anything.

27 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

I'm sure there are some Christian FARKers here who need to get busy cutting off their hands and gouging out their eyes. For Jesus.

31 "It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'[f] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

So THAT'S why divorce is illega- oh wait.

33 "Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.' 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.[g]"

This makes me laugh every time I see a Christian testifying or swearing to hold office holding a bible.
 
2012-06-23 01:55:15 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: xynix: In Corinthians: "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality." That to me is very clear.. it requires no interpretations. If you cheat on your spouse or if you're gay you're not welcome.. The first two parts are open to interpretation.

Sounds like Paul's opinion to me.

Paul was a homophobe so that makes it a good Christian value?


Eh, it wasn't really that. Homosexual behavior was pretty common back then, if you were a man in a Hellenistic society you probably had sex with other men. Homosexuality or Heterosexuality as orientations basically did not exist, instead people were divided into dominate and submissive partners. Women were by definition submissive. Men could be either, but if you were submissive you were seen as weak or lesser (which is why submissive men were usually slaves or young men). They didn't have a word for homosexuality back then, so any translation that uses it is inaccurate at best. Most of the "homophobic" stuff was actually aimed at those "weaker" men, rather than men who had sex with men in general. Paul was really just saying "don't be a weakling", and was being used as a rhetorical strategy to emphasize that Gentiles weren't really all that no matter how much they thought they were. In general the dominant men were considered totally normal. Actual homophobia would have been pretty weird back then, like irrationally hating men who were going bald or wore togas.

BTW, a lot of the stuff that is attributed to Paul probably wasn't actually written by him, such as the Pastoral Epistles. Ancient writers in general liked to put words in the mouths of their favorite people and as a result liked to write letters and histories etc as if they were that person in order to use that person's perceived authority to bolster their point. This is how you get both the Pastoral Epistles and the Acts of Paul and Thecla attributed to Paul despite the vastly differing views of women presented.

Short version: it's pretty wrong to attribute modern attitudes toward sexuality to ancient figures such as Paul.
 
2012-06-23 02:00:55 AM  

xynix: You can't -not- live in sin because being homosexual is considered an abomination in God's eyes.


So's eating shrimp. Shut the fark up and listen to Christ.
 
2012-06-23 02:13:11 AM  

notShryke: Linux_Yes: i bet ole' dick is so proud!

He is. He always has been, and he's told the press the same. For decades. What now, moron?


It would be nice if the people he panders to (those leaving comments on the site, for example) felt the same way. It would be REALLY nice if the Republican Party followed his example.
 
2012-06-23 02:18:33 AM  

xynix: In Corinthians: "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality." That to me is very clear.. it requires no interpretations. If you cheat on your spouse or if you're gay you're not welcome.. The first two parts are open to interpretation.


Actually, there ARE many interpretations. Also, you aren't quoting Jesus.

If you are going to quote Corinthians, do you also believe women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church? Do you pray with your head covered?
 
2012-06-23 03:48:20 AM  

notShryke: Linux_Yes: i bet ole' dick is so proud!

He is. He always has been, and he's told the press the same. For decades. What now, moron?


It is cute how conservatives change their views when reality happens to them.
 
2012-06-23 03:50:11 AM  

Bearwhale: So THAT'S why divorce is illega- oh wait.

33 "Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.' 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.[g]"

This makes me laugh every time I see a Christian testifying or swearing to hold office holding a bible.


To be fair he wasn't using it to bash homos. He apparently thinks it is a sin but he is pro-gay marriage.
 
2012-06-23 03:59:19 AM  

Sabyen91: It is cute how conservatives change their views when reality happens to them.


Except that Cheney, again, was never really big on the social conservatism angle. Remember that that's only been the dominant issue set with the GOP for about five or six years. Cheney is a career guy from the early 90s when the religious nuts were a fairly small fringe group within the GOP.

He didn't go from being anti-gay to pro-gay, he went from being apathetic and vaguely puzzled that gay rights were even a question to pro-gay. If you're curious, this is probably why you're seeing so much puzzlement over this being a story among the people in the thread older than 21 or so who remember the 1990s GOP platform. Cheney hasn't once in his entire life thought that Gay civil rights issues were particularly worth opposing.
 
2012-06-23 04:19:59 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Except that Cheney, again, was never really big on the social conservatism angle.


I suppose. His giant sin is neoconservatism. However, Republicans don't like gay people...even the neo-cons. I am guessing he has known his daughter was gay for at least the last 20 years so...
 
2012-06-23 04:40:45 AM  

downpaymentblues: xynix: In Corinthians: "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality." That to me is very clear.. it requires no interpretations. If you cheat on your spouse or if you're gay you're not welcome.. The first two parts are open to interpretation.

Actually, there ARE many interpretations. Also, you aren't quoting Jesus.

If you are going to quote Corinthians, do you also believe women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church? Do you pray with your head covered?


xynix has clearly demonstrated that he's no Bible scholar when he doesn't even know that the translation he's quoting isn't the KJV. He's also demonstrated that he doesn't understand basic Christian theology in the post where he claimed that only Christians are capable of sinning. He's quite willing to tell me that I'm a sinner since I'm a Christian who's gay, but where he's willing to quote scripture to condemn people like me, he's apparently unaware of Romans 8:28 which says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Someone who doesn't understand the basic doctrine of original sin really shouldn't be telling other people whether they're sinners or not, particularly when digging up translations that use a word that represents a concept that didn't even exist 2000 years ago.
 
2012-06-23 04:42:51 AM  

rynthetyn: downpaymentblues: xynix: In Corinthians: "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality." That to me is very clear.. it requires no interpretations. If you cheat on your spouse or if you're gay you're not welcome.. The first two parts are open to interpretation.

Actually, there ARE many interpretations. Also, you aren't quoting Jesus.

If you are going to quote Corinthians, do you also believe women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church? Do you pray with your head covered?

xynix has clearly demonstrated that he's no Bible scholar when he doesn't even know that the translation he's quoting isn't the KJV. He's also demonstrated that he doesn't understand basic Christian theology in the post where he claimed that only Christians are capable of sinning. He's quite willing to tell me that I'm a sinner since I'm a Christian who's gay, but where he's willing to quote scripture to condemn people like me, he's apparently unaware of Romans 8:28 which says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Someone who doesn't understand the basic doctrine of original sin really shouldn't be telling other people whether they're sinners or not, particularly when digging up translations that use a word that represents a concept that didn't even exist 2000 years ago.


Stop sinning!
 
2012-06-23 04:46:06 AM  
Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.
 
2012-06-23 04:51:59 AM  

Sabyen91: Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.


Hey, at least you have TV in English you can watch, I haven't seen any English-language television that I didn't pirate in the last month.
 
2012-06-23 04:58:20 AM  

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.

Hey, at least you have TV in English you can watch, I haven't seen any English-language television that I didn't pirate in the last month.


I would rather watch Mexican TV than According to Jim. I want to burst my eardrums and dig my eyeballs out with spoons.
 
2012-06-23 05:08:34 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.

Hey, at least you have TV in English you can watch, I haven't seen any English-language television that I didn't pirate in the last month.

I would rather watch Mexican TV than According to Jim. I want to burst my eardrums and dig my eyeballs out with spoons.


At least I can understand what's happening on Mexican TV. I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese, which is kind of a problem when watching TV in China--even the NBA finals were all in Chinese.
 
2012-06-23 05:10:51 AM  

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.

Hey, at least you have TV in English you can watch, I haven't seen any English-language television that I didn't pirate in the last month.

I would rather watch Mexican TV than According to Jim. I want to burst my eardrums and dig my eyeballs out with spoons.

At least I can understand what's happening on Mexican TV. I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese, which is kind of a problem when watching TV in China--even the NBA finals were all in Chinese.


Damn, you are in China now? You live in Turkey, right?
 
2012-06-23 05:16:42 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.

Hey, at least you have TV in English you can watch, I haven't seen any English-language television that I didn't pirate in the last month.

I would rather watch Mexican TV than According to Jim. I want to burst my eardrums and dig my eyeballs out with spoons.

At least I can understand what's happening on Mexican TV. I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese, which is kind of a problem when watching TV in China--even the NBA finals were all in Chinese.

Damn, you are in China now? You live in Turkey, right?


Yeah, I've been in Beijing for the last month taking Chinese law classes. I wish I lived in Turkey, but nope, I'm in Fark's favorite state, so at least I'm away from the political ads that are probably running 24/7 in Florida right now. I figured with plane tickets to Asia costing so much I might as well make the most of it while I'm at it so I head to Vietnam tomorrow and on to Cambodia in a few weeks.
 
2012-06-23 05:21:38 AM  

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.

Hey, at least you have TV in English you can watch, I haven't seen any English-language television that I didn't pirate in the last month.

I would rather watch Mexican TV than According to Jim. I want to burst my eardrums and dig my eyeballs out with spoons.

At least I can understand what's happening on Mexican TV. I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese, which is kind of a problem when watching TV in China--even the NBA finals were all in Chinese.

Damn, you are in China now? You live in Turkey, right?

Yeah, I've been in Beijing for the last month taking Chinese law classes. I wish I lived in Turkey, but nope, I'm in Fark's favorite state, so at least I'm away from the political ads that are probably running 24/7 in Florida right now. I figured with plane tickets to Asia costing so much I might as well make the most of it while I'm at it so I head to Vietnam tomorrow and on to Cambodia in a few weeks.


Huh, I thought you lived in Turkey, not sure why. As a Wisconsinite I don't know about other states but I haven't seen a political ad in a couple of weeks and it is beautiful. I appreciate Ronald freaking McDonald these days. He isn't assassinating Mayor McCheese's character.
 
2012-06-23 05:26:39 AM  

rynthetyn: I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese


All you need is "wo yao pijiu" "xiexie" and "gan bei." Everything after that is just bonus points
 
2012-06-23 05:31:39 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: rynthetyn: I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese

All you need is "wo yao pijiu" "xiexie" and "gan bei." Everything after that is just bonus points


I only know "Me love you long time". Oh...that isn't Chinese?
 
2012-06-23 05:32:25 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.

Hey, at least you have TV in English you can watch, I haven't seen any English-language television that I didn't pirate in the last month.

I would rather watch Mexican TV than According to Jim. I want to burst my eardrums and dig my eyeballs out with spoons.

At least I can understand what's happening on Mexican TV. I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese, which is kind of a problem when watching TV in China--even the NBA finals were all in Chinese.

Damn, you are in China now? You live in Turkey, right?

Yeah, I've been in Beijing for the last month taking Chinese law classes. I wish I lived in Turkey, but nope, I'm in Fark's favorite state, so at least I'm away from the political ads that are probably running 24/7 in Florida right now. I figured with plane tickets to Asia costing so much I might as well make the most of it while I'm at it so I head to Vietnam tomorrow and on to Cambodia in a few weeks.

Huh, I thought you lived in Turkey, not sure why. As a Wisconsinite I don't know about other states but I haven't seen a political ad in a couple of weeks and it is beautiful. I appreciate Ronald freaking McDonald these days. He isn't assassinating Mayor McCheese's character.


Hmm, I dunno. I've been to Turkey before, but it was Vietnam where I used to live. I probably have zero chance at the presidency because of the Vietnam thing--I taught at the university run by the Vietnamese ministry of foreign affairs, and I don't think being on the Vietnamese government payroll is going to go over so well with the tea party, if they're still around a few decades from now.
 
2012-06-23 05:33:31 AM  

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.

Hey, at least you have TV in English you can watch, I haven't seen any English-language television that I didn't pirate in the last month.

I would rather watch Mexican TV than According to Jim. I want to burst my eardrums and dig my eyeballs out with spoons.

At least I can understand what's happening on Mexican TV. I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese, which is kind of a problem when watching TV in China--even the NBA finals were all in Chinese.

Damn, you are in China now? You live in Turkey, right?

Yeah, I've been in Beijing for the last month taking Chinese law classes. I wish I lived in Turkey, but nope, I'm in Fark's favorite state, so at least I'm away from the political ads that are probably running 24/7 in Florida right now. I figured with plane tickets to Asia costing so much I might as well make the most of it while I'm at it so I head to Vietnam tomorrow and on to Cambodia in a few weeks.

Huh, I thought you lived in Turkey, not sure why. As a Wisconsinite I don't know about other states but I haven't seen a political ad in a couple of weeks and it is beautiful. I appreciate Ronald freaking McDonald these days. He isn't assassinating Mayor McCheese's character.

Hmm, I dunno. I've been to Turkey before, but it was Vietnam where I used to live. I probably have zero chance at the presidency because of the Vietnam thing--I taught at the university run by the Vietnamese ministry of foreign affairs, and I don't think being on the Vietnamese government payroll is going to go over so well with the tea party, if they're still around a few decades from now.


Heh, depends. Were you in best Vietnam?
 
2012-06-23 05:35:03 AM  

Sabyen91: I only know "Me love you long time". Oh...that isn't Chinese?


I'm pretty sure that's Thai.
 
2012-06-23 05:39:25 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Sabyen91: I only know "Me love you long time". Oh...that isn't Chinese?

I'm pretty sure that's Thai.


Heh, these days it would be Thai and likely full of penis. :)
 
2012-06-23 05:40:08 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: rynthetyn: I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese

All you need is "wo yao pijiu" "xiexie" and "gan bei." Everything after that is just bonus points


That's about all I know. After the hostel I stayed at in Xian emailed me horrible directions that left me ridiculously lost, I made it there by doing noting but pointing at the address in Chinese and looking confused.
 
2012-06-23 05:40:56 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Remember that that's only been the dominant issue set with the GOP for about five or six years.


Five or six years? Are we talking Earth years?
 
2012-06-23 05:46:38 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Wow, the only thing on is "According to Jim". How did that show last so long? It is a step above Full House. Brutal.

Hey, at least you have TV in English you can watch, I haven't seen any English-language television that I didn't pirate in the last month.

I would rather watch Mexican TV than According to Jim. I want to burst my eardrums and dig my eyeballs out with spoons.

At least I can understand what's happening on Mexican TV. I can't understand but about 5 words of Chinese, which is kind of a problem when watching TV in China--even the NBA finals were all in Chinese.

Damn, you are in China now? You live in Turkey, right?

Yeah, I've been in Beijing for the last month taking Chinese law classes. I wish I lived in Turkey, but nope, I'm in Fark's favorite state, so at least I'm away from the political ads that are probably running 24/7 in Florida right now. I figured with plane tickets to Asia costing so much I might as well make the most of it while I'm at it so I head to Vietnam tomorrow and on to Cambodia in a few weeks.

Huh, I thought you lived in Turkey, not sure why. As a Wisconsinite I don't know about other states but I haven't seen a political ad in a couple of weeks and it is beautiful. I appreciate Ronald freaking McDonald these days. He isn't assassinating Mayor McCheese's character.

Hmm, I dunno. I've been to Turkey before, but it was Vietnam where I used to live. I probably have zero chance at the presidency because of the Vietnam thing--I taught at the university run by the Vietnamese ministry of foreign affairs, and I don't think being on the Vietnamese government payroll is going to go over so well with the tea party, if they're still around a few decades from now.

Heh, depends. Were you in best Vietnam?


Yep, I was in best Vietnam. And the recommendation that got me into law school was written by the assistant dean of my department, who is apparently highly connected to the point that she can pull strings to get the Hanoi People's Committee to do whatever she needs, which means she's got to have loads of high ranking Party connections. There's no way I could ever authorize my university to release my files with that letter on record, especially if some of my former students continue their rapid rise in government.
 
2012-06-23 05:47:49 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Jim_Callahan: Remember that that's only been the dominant issue set with the GOP for about five or six years.

Five or six years? Are we talking Earth years?


Republicans only started hating gays exactly 6 years ago and that is only because gays starting being all...visible.
 
2012-06-23 05:48:50 AM  

rynthetyn: Yep, I was in best Vietnam. And the recommendation that got me into law school was written by the assistant dean of my department, who is apparently highly connected to the point that she can pull strings to get the Hanoi People's Committee to do whatever she needs, which means she's got to have loads of high ranking Party connections. There's no way I could ever authorize my university to release my files with that letter on record, especially if some of my former students continue their rapid rise in government.


You have a really cool life. :)
 
2012-06-23 05:56:14 AM  

Sabyen91: The Why Not Guy: Jim_Callahan: Remember that that's only been the dominant issue set with the GOP for about five or six years.

Five or six years? Are we talking Earth years?

Republicans only started hating gays exactly 6 years ago and that is only because gays starting being all...visible.


That reminds me of the comment that one of the former city councilmen from my hometown left on my facebook in response to my complaining that the religious right hates gays because "Bible" but ignores the Bible when it comes to poor and aliens. I've got to quote it here because it's so derptastic:

"I think you have it wrong - its the Liberals who hate gays - the Religious right just do not believe they should have "SPECIAL" rights - We love gays, just not their deeds perhaps :)"

/finally understand why the dude's brother, who stole his ex-boyfriend's absentee ballot to vote for W a second time in 2000, is such a piece of work
 
2012-06-23 06:03:10 AM  

rynthetyn: "I think you have it wrong - its the Liberals who hate gays - the Religious right just do not believe they should have "SPECIAL" rights - We love gays, just not their deeds perhaps :)"


Wow. That is a whole load of lack of self-awareness.
 
2012-06-23 06:21:03 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Yep, I was in best Vietnam. And the recommendation that got me into law school was written by the assistant dean of my department, who is apparently highly connected to the point that she can pull strings to get the Hanoi People's Committee to do whatever she needs, which means she's got to have loads of high ranking Party connections. There's no way I could ever authorize my university to release my files with that letter on record, especially if some of my former students continue their rapid rise in government.

You have a really cool life. :)


I honestly don't know how I've lucked into things like that. When I applied to go teach with the NGO I worked for, I figured I'd wind up in some little city in the middle of nowhere, not the Diplomatic Academy. If you'd told me when I was a news junkie of an elementary schooler that the Cold War would end without anybody nuking each other and that I'd grow up to wind up working in the communist world I'd have thought you were nuts.
 
2012-06-23 06:34:35 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: "I think you have it wrong - its the Liberals who hate gays - the Religious right just do not believe they should have "SPECIAL" rights - We love gays, just not their deeds perhaps :)"

Wow. That is a whole load of lack of self-awareness.


He never answered when I asked how marriage or serving your country in the military are "special" rights.
 
2012-06-23 07:38:12 AM  

rynthetyn: "I think you have it wrong - its the Liberals who hate gays - the Religious right just do not believe they should have "SPECIAL" rights - We love gays, just not their deeds perhaps :)"


Who want's gays to have specials rights. Every pro-gay rights person I know wants EVERYONE to have the right to gay marry. No one wants it restricted to just homo, the way marriage is restricted to heteros now.
 
2012-06-23 08:18:23 AM  

Di Atribe: Sigh. Not sure if amusing or horribly sad. Is there a single anti-gay marriage argument that isn't just "when you meet your maker, you'll pay?"


I'll answer this honestly, because I used to be a born again Christian who was rabidly anti gay rights. I'm trying to reconnect with the feelings I had in my head at that point.

The best way I can describe it was the sense of not wanting to live in a society that condoned immoral behavior. We witnessed all around us this irresistible, constant, steady march of society over ground that we saw as a buffer against sin and vice. We did genuinely want everyone to be saved, and we saw the legislation of morality to be a kind of institutional help to that end, in that there is likely a swath of people that would get to go to heaven if only they were scared to commit acts that were not sanctioned by law.

It comes across today as "hate" to people who aren't religious conservatives, but I promise you that most of these people genuinely do feel that they are operating out of a desperate love. They see homosexuals and drunks and infidels and gamblers as people standing in the road while a truck is barreling toward them, and they see themselves as diving into the road and tackling these people out of the way.

The only reason I don't still feel this way is because I no longer believe that hell is a real place or that Jesus is the only path to salvation. If Jesus were the only path to salvation and homosexuals really, truly were going to hell, then it absolutely would be our moral obligation to try to prevent homosexual behavior at all costs, as nothing would be more important that preventing someone from going to hell, even if you had to chain them up... Even if you had to kill them! Death is nothing compared to endless scorching darkness with worms eating through your skull.
 
2012-06-23 08:23:06 AM  
It's pretty hard to be wrong about "what the Bible says".
 
2012-06-23 09:10:00 AM  

AirForceVet: xynix: As to #1 .. quite a few actually. I can cite various new testament verses that clarify homosexuality as wrong from a biblical perspective. However with this said a properly studious Christian knows that you can only live in sin if you're a Christian. People who are not should not be chastised or looked down upon. They can't sin because they have not accepted Christ Jesus as their savior. Unfortunately only a handful of Christians like me exist. Many Christians think that people who are not saved can sin when in fact they cannot. Many Christians feel that they themselves are saved when in fact they are probably not.

#2 is where most Christians fail in argument. The bible clearly tells us that we must follow our government and respect that institution. If the government has dictated a separation of church and state then it's clear to me that a state/federal marriage has nothing to do with me. A church marriage however does and it's a catch 22. You're living in sin as a homosexual therefor you can't be married. You can't -not- live in sin because being homosexual is considered an abomination in God's eyes. You can't get married in a Christian church unless you're Christian and work hard to give up a life of sin. In other words yes.. we all sin but by working through Christ we work to create as sin-free of a life as we can. Living in a homosexual lifestyle does not allow for this. Unfortunately I doubt we're going to get any code revisions in the bible to adjust for current social aspects.

#3 agreed

#4 agreed

According to my church's understanding of the Bible, homosexuality is not a sin. Likewise, my church does not believe the Bible is the literal Word of God but the best men (and I mean only men) could come up with as the Bible.

If it were the literal Word of God, no one would eat shellfish, having sex with one's daughters is AOK, slavery is cool, having multiple wives as property is better than sliced bread, she bears would rush out of the woods on command to kill scores of children. etc.

I'll just stick with the best parts of Christianity, i.e. love thy neighbor and God. Simple, easy, uncomplicated. I'll chat with Jesus and recommend an early Second Coming to knock off a Bible rewrite when I see Him on the other side. Too many "Christians" are living for the Rapture to happen instead of living as Jesus wanted us to. Revelations is the most misunderstood book and left too many salivating for the End of the World disaster movie.

/Oh, congratulations to the happy couple.


And favourited. Nicely said
 
2012-06-23 09:22:48 AM  
They live together in Virginia Vagina.

Tee-hee. I'm so mature and things.
 
2012-06-23 09:50:14 AM  
It's kinda funny how the comments in TFA spiral into slippery slope arguments about multiple spouses.

Lot of good biblical dudes had multiple wives. So actually... God would be totally okay with that, if we're doing Old Testament sins.
 
2012-06-23 10:28:00 AM  

Tommy Moo: Di Atribe: Sigh. Not sure if amusing or horribly sad. Is there a single anti-gay marriage argument that isn't just "when you meet your maker, you'll pay?"

I'll answer this honestly, because I used to be a born again Christian who was rabidly anti gay rights. I'm trying to reconnect with the feelings I had in my head at that point.

The best way I can describe it was the sense of not wanting to live in a society that condoned immoral behavior. We witnessed all around us this irresistible, constant, steady march of society over ground that we saw as a buffer against sin and vice. We did genuinely want everyone to be saved, and we saw the legislation of morality to be a kind of institutional help to that end, in that there is likely a swath of people that would get to go to heaven if only they were scared to commit acts that were not sanctioned by law.

It comes across today as "hate" to people who aren't religious conservatives, but I promise you that most of these people genuinely do feel that they are operating out of a desperate love. They see homosexuals and drunks and infidels and gamblers as people standing in the road while a truck is barreling toward them, and they see themselves as diving into the road and tackling these people out of the way.

The only reason I don't still feel this way is because I no longer believe that hell is a real place or that Jesus is the only path to salvation. If Jesus were the only path to salvation and homosexuals really, truly were going to hell, then it absolutely would be our moral obligation to try to prevent homosexual behavior at all costs, as nothing would be more important that preventing someone from going to hell, even if you had to chain them up... Even if you had to kill them! Death is nothing compared to endless scorching darkness with worms eating through your skull.


Did you used to beat up all drunks as they left the bar, or only at the gay bar?
Well maybe not *you*, but the crowd you formerly called your own. Why aren't your former homeboys trying to outlaw casinos?
 
2012-06-23 10:40:15 AM  

Sabyen91: Republicans only started hating gays exactly 6 years ago and that is only because gays starting being all...visible.


They don't mind you being gay, as long as you don't shove it down their throat.
 
2012-06-23 10:51:44 AM  

xynix: King James though the verse has not changed in 2000 years except for a few altercations not relevant to the content.


The King James Bible was created in 1611 and like all Bibles is based on copies of copies of copies of copies of manuscripts in which the verse and text HAS changed due to errors in the translation or the personal bias of the translator.
 
2012-06-23 11:00:44 AM  

nobodyUwannaknow: Tommy Moo: Di Atribe: Sigh. Not sure if amusing or horribly sad. Is there a single anti-gay marriage argument that isn't just "when you meet your maker, you'll pay?"

I'll answer this honestly, because I used to be a born again Christian who was rabidly anti gay rights. I'm trying to reconnect with the feelings I had in my head at that point.

The best way I can describe it was the sense of not wanting to live in a society that condoned immoral behavior. We witnessed all around us this irresistible, constant, steady march of society over ground that we saw as a buffer against sin and vice. We did genuinely want everyone to be saved, and we saw the legislation of morality to be a kind of institutional help to that end, in that there is likely a swath of people that would get to go to heaven if only they were scared to commit acts that were not sanctioned by law.

It comes across today as "hate" to people who aren't religious conservatives, but I promise you that most of these people genuinely do feel that they are operating out of a desperate love. They see homosexuals and drunks and infidels and gamblers as people standing in the road while a truck is barreling toward them, and they see themselves as diving into the road and tackling these people out of the way.

The only reason I don't still feel this way is because I no longer believe that hell is a real place or that Jesus is the only path to salvation. If Jesus were the only path to salvation and homosexuals really, truly were going to hell, then it absolutely would be our moral obligation to try to prevent homosexual behavior at all costs, as nothing would be more important that preventing someone from going to hell, even if you had to chain them up... Even if you had to kill them! Death is nothing compared to endless scorching darkness with worms eating through your skull.

Did you used to beat up all drunks as they left the bar, or only at the gay bar?
Well maybe not *you*, but the crowd you formerly called your own. Why aren't your former homeboys trying to outlaw casinos?


Maybe i am just reading your response as overly antagonistic, so if i am, i apologize.

You have here a guy who is trying to explain the mentality he used to have, and seems repentant about that mentality.

No need to be accusatory
 
2012-06-23 12:01:43 PM  

xynix: spongeboob: xynix: In Corinthians: "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality

What version of the Bible are you quoting from?

King James


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA any and all of your arguments about biblical meanings are therefore invalid. Good day.
 
2012-06-23 12:34:36 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Sabyen91: It is cute how conservatives change their views when reality happens to them.

Except that Cheney, again, was never really big on the social conservatism angle. Remember that that's only been the dominant issue set with the GOP for about five or six years. Cheney is a career guy from the early 90s when the religious nuts were a fairly small fringe group within the GOP.

He didn't go from being anti-gay to pro-gay, he went from being apathetic and vaguely puzzled that gay rights were even a question to pro-gay. If you're curious, this is probably why you're seeing so much puzzlement over this being a story among the people in the thread older than 21 or so who remember the 1990s GOP platform. Cheney hasn't once in his entire life thought that Gay civil rights issues were particularly worth opposing.


Nor did he ever while in power consider supporting them.

Those rising thought Hitler's ranks are no less detestable, perhaps even more so, for not being true believers.
 
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