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2012-06-22 04:14:47 PM

Cubicle Jockey: KiTTeNs_on_AciD: You've spent far too much time in women's studies courses and not enough living in the world around you.

All you need to know about GM you can learn from this article she wrote back last year. The fark thread was epic.

Link


I figured it was something like that.
 
2012-06-22 04:15:44 PM

SultanofSchwing: Yes, confirmation bias is fun and all but you're actually supporting the idea that catcalling is synonymous with pissing on people at random?


No, I'm just pointing out the flaw in the logic behind "Because there is at least one woman who doesn't mind X, that means that there is no universal consensus about X." Somebody else already made basically the same argument using racial epithets as an example instead of urination.
 
2012-06-22 04:15:44 PM
Which is why I ignore most women.
 
2012-06-22 04:16:50 PM

Another Government Employee: Which is why I ignore most women.


Unless they're hawt.
 
2012-06-22 04:17:50 PM
Has anyone pointed out that this is in New Jersey?
 
2012-06-22 04:18:15 PM

Santa's Knee: Bubba_the_Hutt: SultanofSchwing: Genevieve Marie: voodoolady: ciberido: SultanofSchwing: But all of that aside, I'm glad your second statement is there because it actually makes my point for me. There is no universal consensus, so how can it be expected that there is only one way to act in that situation? Your preference that it isn't done at ...

Some people like to get urinated upon. Therefore, there's no universal consensus on whether or not it's rude to urinate upon a random stranger.

I love this analogy so much.

It made me laugh too, yes.

Yes, confirmation bias is fun and all but you're actually supporting the idea that catcalling is synonymous with pissing on people at random?

Correlated =/= synonymous.

Cat calling is disrespectful, why are people taking offense to people asking not to be disrespected?


Not my thing, but feel free to ask some other guy to give you a rim job, Joto.
 
2012-06-22 04:18:24 PM

Santa's Knee: Another Government Employee: Which is why I ignore most women.

Unless they're hawt.


Then just pretend to ignore them.
 
2012-06-22 04:19:29 PM
I had a woman whistle at me on Monday. I haven't been able to leave the house since. The idea that there are people out there making sounds with their mouths to denote my attractiveness paralyzes me. What if I had been in a deserted part of town and that woman had seen me? I can't risk that happening. So, I sit in the shadows thinking about nothing except that woman. I dare not turn on any lights or do anything else for fear that it will detract from the melodrama of it all.
 
2012-06-22 04:20:00 PM

namegoeshere: ciberido: I'm sure sexual harassment of women by women must happen

Oh lord yes it does. One of my many past jobs was in private security. I was sexually harassed like CRAZY. No, not from the guys (okay, one guy. It ended up being his last shift) but from one gay woman. I don't know if she was threatened by a straight feminine-looking female in her territory or what, but she'd call me flower and just be harassing and demeaning in general. It was bad. Fortunately, I got promoted and she left in a huff over it, so there.

No I didn't report it. This was years ago, and things were different. Being one of a very few females in a male dominated workplace, and having to earn being treated like one of the guys, the fallout from reporting being harassed by a woman would have been worse that the harassment.


There was a thread yesterday about "50 million workplace bullies..." where a farkette was being sexually harrassed by a female and looking for help/advice - toward the end.
It's a single anecdote so no statistics, but validation that it does happen.
 
2012-06-22 04:20:04 PM

Bubba_the_Hutt: Cat calling is disrespectful, why are people taking offense to people asking not to be disrespected?


I think it's really telling just how defensive some people are getting in this thread. It's almost Freudian.
 
2012-06-22 04:21:03 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I had a woman whistle at me on Monday. I haven't been able to leave the house since. The idea that there are people out there making sounds with their mouths to denote my attractiveness paralyzes me. What if I had been in a deserted part of town and that woman had seen me? I can't risk that happening. So, I sit in the shadows thinking about nothing except that woman. I dare not turn on any lights or do anything else for fear that it will detract from the melodrama of it all.


They will find you.
 
2012-06-22 04:21:07 PM

Sticky Hands: Santa's Knee: Another Government Employee: Which is why I ignore most women.

Unless they're hawt.

Then just pretend to ignore them.


It's rather difficult to do that AND strap on my rapekit.
 
2012-06-22 04:21:40 PM

ProfessorOhki: KiTTeNs_on_AciD: Right, it's not the same thing. Not an 'equal comparison' because it doesn't fit your preconceived notion of all men bad, all women victims.

I'm 31, I've spent the vast majority of my career reporting to women bosses, being educated by women teachers, having a women governor, the home I grew up in was not a male-dominated patriarchy.

But because you're view of society differs from my real life experience, I'm less entitled to the same courtesy you demand.

What a hypocrite.

You've spent far too much time in women's studies courses and not enough living in the world around you.

^ Bears bears bears. But, this is why these arguments never go anywhere. Last line is guilty of the same thing you're complaining about though. The world around them might very well support what they're saying just the same as the world around you supports what you're saying. Here's the thing...

In one corner, we've got guys who grew up in an era where they hear nothing except how dangerous and misogynist they are, even though they've never done anything, feel like they live in a culture where women are [at least] equals, and want to stop being vilified.

In the other corner, we've got women who grew up in an environment where felt like society gave women no power, and felt like they had no defenses to the culture around them, and want to stop being objectified.

And by virtue of forum (both Internet general, and Fark specifically), you've got people who aren't afraid to say what they're thinking. So there you have it, two groups of people who feel like the society they're personally acquainted with is taking a collective dump on them as individuals for no reason other than their sex, while being unable to shake the feeling that the other side is blame.

tl;dr: Not everyone you talk to online has the same life experiences.
/That's what makes it interesting


Well said. My eventual point was to come around to pointing out that she had immediately leaped to talking about how (all) men treat (all) women compared to how (all) women treat (all) men.

Some people are crass, vulgar, self absorbed assholes with no sense of empathy. These people come in both male and female flavors. Arguing this topic purely in ideological absolutes, faulting entire genders, or society as a whole, makes the person saying it look idiotic. Particularly when they can, with a straight face, excuse the behavior of one gender because it's the fault of the other gender controlling society.


Genevieve Marie: namegoeshere: I'm hardly going to troll for cat calls and kick the caller in the nuts in a frenzy of femenist vigilante justice.

I don't know, if we make martinis first, that could actually be a pretty fun way to spend a Friday.

GIRLS NIGHT!


You do realize you just made light of getting drunk and committing group sexual assault, don't you? Sounds like "fun" you say? Can't WAIT until you try and talk down to someone for making a rape rape joke. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds apparently.
 
2012-06-22 04:21:49 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I had a woman whistle at me on Monday. I haven't been able to leave the house since. The idea that there are people out there making sounds with their mouths to denote my attractiveness paralyzes me. What if I had been in a deserted part of town and that woman had seen me? I can't risk that happening. So, I sit in the shadows thinking about nothing except that woman. I dare not turn on any lights or do anything else for fear that it will detract from the melodrama of it all.


You can't hear it, but I just whistled at you. You cannot hide!
 
2012-06-22 04:21:53 PM

ciberido: inner ted: so does this also extend to gay dudes whistling and calling at me (not gay - nttiawwt) ??

or is this "ladies only" ??

Asked and answered several times already, but yes, sexual harassment against men is real, it does happen, and it's equally wrong.

Sometimes women sexually harass men.
Sometimes men sexually harass other men.

I'm sure sexual harassment of women by women must happen, but I haven't found any decent statistics or news studies yet.


wow. sorry i missed any similar comment - thought i was being original.

i understand it's real and can go either way - just like domestic violence.

but even when i've been eyed and called after by big hairy gay dudes, i just kinda chuckle a bit. i don't feel like i'm about to be chased down and raped.

nor does it make my day & i somehow feel better about myself.

i guess it's about the same as any interaction with the general public. i.e. driving and dealing with road rage people. people talking in movie theaters. jerk-offs in 'that part of town' that just like talking shiat to anyone within earshot.

ignore it and move on.

or make a big production out of it & cry when the world doesn't bow down to you.

whichever.
 
2012-06-22 04:23:57 PM

Santa's Knee: Sticky Hands: Santa's Knee: Another Government Employee: Which is why I ignore most women.

Unless they're hawt.

Then just pretend to ignore them.

It's rather difficult to do that AND strap on my rapekit.


you don't wear it all the time?
That's what baggy clothes are for.

// well that, and to lie to ourselves about how fat we are
/// and for concealing stolen steaks.
//// or for hiding a pistol, if you are a real weirdo.
 
2012-06-22 04:25:37 PM

9beers: I miss the old days when GM biatched about things like getting yelled at for sitting on the grass.


O_o


Oh, SITting......
 
2012-06-22 04:26:18 PM

inner ted: ciberido: inner ted: so does this also extend to gay dudes whistling and calling at me (not gay - nttiawwt) ??

or is this "ladies only" ??

Asked and answered several times already, but yes, sexual harassment against men is real, it does happen, and it's equally wrong.

Sometimes women sexually harass men.
Sometimes men sexually harass other men.

I'm sure sexual harassment of women by women must happen, but I haven't found any decent statistics or news studies yet.

wow. sorry i missed any similar comment - thought i was being original.

i understand it's real and can go either way - just like domestic violence.

but even when i've been eyed and called after by big hairy gay dudes, i just kinda chuckle a bit. i don't feel like i'm about to be chased down and raped.

nor does it make my day & i somehow feel better about myself.

i guess it's about the same as any interaction with the general public. i.e. driving and dealing with road rage people. people talking in movie theaters. jerk-offs in 'that part of town' that just like talking shiat to anyone within earshot.

ignore it and move on.

or make a big production out of it & cry when the world doesn't bow down to you.

whichever.


www.thetexasarsenal.com
 
2012-06-22 04:28:28 PM

KiTTeNs_on_AciD: You do realize you just made light of getting drunk and committing group sexual assault, don't you? Sounds like "fun" you say? Can't WAIT until you try and talk down to someone for making a rape rape joke. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds apparently.


Duh, it's not possible for women to ever commit any kind of sexual violence against men. In this case, the evil rapist pig men would be guilty of sexual assault for touching GM's feet with their balls.
 
2012-06-22 04:29:05 PM

devek: Try living in a man's shoes for a day and try to show women respect.


I've touted this book by Norah Vincent before, but it's relevant to the whole "walk a mile in his shoes" argument.

Just as there is truth to the complaint that men don't know how hard it can be to be a woman, there is also truth to the complaint that women don't know how hard it can be to be a man.

It might also be a good time to point out that feminism (or at least my interpretation of it) isn't about women defeating men and winning the war between the sexes. It's about calling a truce. This whole issue isn't as zero-sum as people seem to think it is, or at least it doesn't have to be.

I suspect the main reason why so many people who are opposed to feminism is that they see its success as their loss. Nobody really has to lose anything.
 
2012-06-22 04:36:45 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Dr. Goldshnoz: Genevieve Marie: The My Little Pony Killer: Seriously. Just because AbbeySomeone found it okay doesn't mean that the rest of the women who put up with that crap have to.

/boy, am I glad AbbeySomeone doesn't speak for all women

Yea, I hate it. Cannot stand it when I'm trying to go about my day and some guy needs to make sure that I know he's staring at my ass. It doesn't make me feel good, it makes me feel uncomfortable with my surroundings.

[xaxor.com image 299x370]
Then stop wearing these, dumbass.

Doesn't matter what somebody is wearing, dumbass.


As a woman, i highly disagree
 
2012-06-22 04:40:25 PM

namegoeshere: No I didn't report it. This was years ago, and things were different. Being one of a very few females in a male dominated workplace, and having to earn being treated like one of the guys, the fallout from reporting being harassed by a woman would have been worse that the harassment.


One of the major reason for the vast underreporting of sexual harassment against men in years past. The number of reported cases is skyrocketing. (I've posted links upthread already, so forgive me if I don't repost them.)
 
2012-06-22 04:44:08 PM

ciberido: namegoeshere: No I didn't report it. This was years ago, and things were different. Being one of a very few females in a male dominated workplace, and having to earn being treated like one of the guys, the fallout from reporting being harassed by a woman would have been worse that the harassment.

One of the major reason for the vast underreporting of sexual harassment against men in years past. The number of reported cases is skyrocketing. (I've posted links upthread already, so forgive me if I don't repost them.)


A question. Could I... I mean, a friend of mine report it if I... he wasn't sexually harassed and found that insulting?
 
2012-06-22 04:45:31 PM

namegoeshere: "It is offensive" is really all you need to know.


So? Some women are offended. That matters ... why?
 
2012-06-22 04:48:14 PM

KiTTeNs_on_AciD: You do realize you just made light of getting drunk and committing group sexual assault, don't you?


Know how I know you've never actually read a sexual assault statute?
 
2012-06-22 04:49:41 PM

Phinn: namegoeshere: "It is offensive" is really all you need to know.

So? Some women are offended. That matters ... why?


Well, and bear with me here, because this is going to sound crazy, apparently women are people. I know, it sounds silly, but that's what the latest research from the egg-heads that study this stuff is showing. I'd always thought they were an animal of some variety, maybe a parrot since parrots can pretend to talk too, but there you go.
 
2012-06-22 04:51:55 PM
spentmiles is missing a helluva good thread.

/damn him!
 
2012-06-22 04:53:03 PM

9beers: Balchinian: Umm...that is not really the point of the cartoon.

That's exactly the point of that cartoon.


If that was the point of the cartoon it would have been over after the first two panels. That point is made, yes, but only within the larger context elicited by the last two panels. Keep trying...you will get it eventually.
 
2012-06-22 05:02:16 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Phinn: namegoeshere: "It is offensive" is really all you need to know.

So? Some women are offended. That matters ... why?

Well, and bear with me here, because this is going to sound crazy, apparently women are people. I know, it sounds silly, but that's what the latest research from the egg-heads that study this stuff is showing. I'd always thought they were an animal of some variety, maybe a parrot since parrots can pretend to talk too, but there you go.


I'm not following you here.

Let's run with this whole "women are people" theory you've got going, and I'm saying I agree with it, but for the sake of discussion we'll assume that's at least sorta true, or whatever. Conditionally.

I'm still looking at "women being offended" on one side of the line, and "me caring" on the other side, and I don't see how you jump over that line.

It's like you're talking in one of those African clicking languages or something.
 
2012-06-22 05:03:28 PM
ciberido [TotalFark]

Dr. Goldshnoz: Is it really harassment if you whistle at a beautiful woman? not saying i do it, not saying its mature or intellectual, but something tells me the kind of frigid person that gets their panties in a twist over this isn't getting whistled at to begin with, so whats the problem exactly?

Yes, it is.

Well, that was easy.


No it's not. Wow. You're right...easy!
 
2012-06-22 05:03:47 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Phinn: namegoeshere: "It is offensive" is really all you need to know.

So? Some women are offended. That matters ... why?

Well, and bear with me here, because this is going to sound crazy, apparently women are people. I know, it sounds silly, but that's what the latest research from the egg-heads that study this stuff is showing. I'd always thought they were an animal of some variety, maybe a parrot since parrots can pretend to talk too, but there you go.


I think the point he was trying to make was that everybody, everywhere, everyday gets offended by something. Why does the fact that it happens to women make it exceptional?
 
2012-06-22 05:04:43 PM
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2012-06-22 05:06:09 PM

Phinn: I May Be Crazy But...: Phinn: namegoeshere: "It is offensive" is really all you need to know.

So? Some women are offended. That matters ... why?

Well, and bear with me here, because this is going to sound crazy, apparently women are people. I know, it sounds silly, but that's what the latest research from the egg-heads that study this stuff is showing. I'd always thought they were an animal of some variety, maybe a parrot since parrots can pretend to talk too, but there you go.

I'm not following you here.

Let's run with this whole "women are people" theory you've got going, and I'm saying I agree with it, but for the sake of discussion we'll assume that's at least sorta true, or whatever. Conditionally.

I'm still looking at "women being offended" on one side of the line, and "me caring" on the other side, and I don't see how you jump over that line.

It's like you're talking in one of those African clicking languages or something.


I'm not sure I follow it either. As it was explained to me, we're supposed to respect them and treat them well in exchange for them getting us a sandwich and a drink (No, damnit, I said TWO ice cubes!) and cleaning and so on. But I'm sure they're right - they wouldn't be allowed to call themselves scientists if they would lie to us about something this important.
 
2012-06-22 05:07:39 PM

WhippingBoy: I May Be Crazy But...: Phinn: namegoeshere: "It is offensive" is really all you need to know.

So? Some women are offended. That matters ... why?

Well, and bear with me here, because this is going to sound crazy, apparently women are people. I know, it sounds silly, but that's what the latest research from the egg-heads that study this stuff is showing. I'd always thought they were an animal of some variety, maybe a parrot since parrots can pretend to talk too, but there you go.

I think the point he was trying to make was that everybody, everywhere, everyday gets offended by something. Why does the fact that it happens to women make it exceptional?


I don't know why someone cares if a parrot is offended. Why ask me? I'm no psychoanalyst.
 
2012-06-22 05:10:43 PM
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2012-06-22 05:11:32 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: I'm not sure I follow it either. As it was explained to me, we're supposed to respect them and treat them well in exchange for them getting us a sandwich and a drink (No, damnit, I said TWO ice cubes!) and cleaning and so on. But I'm sure they're right - they wouldn't be allowed to call themselves scientists if they would lie to us about something this important.


Believe what you want, but scientists faked the moon landing, and a whole bunch of other stuff, probably.

Take that into consideration next time one of them tries to float this "equality" crap by you.
 
2012-06-22 05:21:40 PM

Theaetetus: KiTTeNs_on_AciD: You do realize you just made light of getting drunk and committing group sexual assault, don't you?

Know how I know you've never actually read a sexual assault statute?


Truthfully, I hadn't previously. But you compelled me to go ahead and do it, so I found a state by state breakdown of sexual assault statutes. Looks like it does count in at least some states. For example:

Georgia

GA ST
§16-6-1
§16-6-22.1
§16-6-22.2

Rape:
• "penetration of the female sex organ by the male sex organ":
• "forcibly and against her will" OR
• if she is
Sexual battery:
• "physical contact with the intimate parts of the body" without consent


Aggravated sexual battery:
• penetration of the sex organ or anus of any person with a foreign object without consent
 
2012-06-22 05:25:21 PM

ciberido: I've touted this book by Norah Vincent before, but it's relevant to the whole "walk a mile in his shoes" argument.


Did you read the sequal? She went a bit over the edge at the end of that one. The second is her year in and out of the nuthouse mental health care facilities. It's good, eye opening, and a little scary.
 
2012-06-22 05:26:24 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Digital Communist: Do you think you are the only ones who ever feel uncomfortable or insecure in public? Do you think it would be fun if everyone made a big production about how those particular situations made them feel uncomfortable and the world should descend on them to fix it?

Oh, I'm sorry, are you being whistled at and called a prude when you ignore it? Are you followed and harassed just because you chose to get up, get dressed, and go out into the world today?

No?

Then STFU about how other people react to being treated like that. Or at least quit acting so shocked when people don't like it and vocally object.

/it's not about "fun"
//it's about going about my day without HARASSMENT.


Sorry, you are right. You are the only person who is ever in an uncomfortable situation. Life for everyone else is idyllic and secure.
 
2012-06-22 05:33:58 PM

WhippingBoy: I May Be Crazy But...: Phinn: namegoeshere: "It is offensive" is really all you need to know.

So? Some women are offended. That matters ... why?

Well, and bear with me here, because this is going to sound crazy, apparently women are people. I know, it sounds silly, but that's what the latest research from the egg-heads that study this stuff is showing. I'd always thought they were an animal of some variety, maybe a parrot since parrots can pretend to talk too, but there you go.

I think the point he was trying to make was that everybody, everywhere, everyday gets offended by something. Why does the fact that it happens to women make it exceptional?


It speaks to "it's a compliment to be catcalled." No, it's not. It's offensive. No one needs to explain to you why. Just know, it isn't a compliment. It's offensive.

Why that matters? Because if you catcall, you are not demonstrating your masculinity, virility, or suitability as a potential mate. You are demonstrating your creepiness, low intellect, inability to understand nonverbal cues, ineptness in relating to women, and general all around douchiness.

If this is what you're aiming for with the whole catcalling deal, hey. A winnar is you.

If otoh, you expect the woman to respond to you positively, you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-06-22 05:34:55 PM

On Balance: Honest question: Just what are you cat-calling guys going for anyway?
I mean, what's your desired outcome or best case scenario?


Most simply want the reaction so they can keep that image in their heads... you know... for later and whatnot.
 
2012-06-22 05:35:27 PM
I and my two friends are approaching middle age, we've known each other for well over 25 years. Back when we were 18/19 they were occasionally offended by unsolicited attention (I say occasionally because they didn't mind if it was loud and rude at times if it was the right kinda guy).

*Flash forward to present day*

They're each now divorced and have been for 7/8 years and obviously missing the attentions that they were once accustomed to. Desperation slipped in for a while. There was a boob job at 42 for one. There is an STD contracted on a fling with a really sketchy guy for the other at 43. They were casting about looking for what went missing from their lives while they were married (took them a while to figure out that the single life isn't the same for someone older as it is for young'uns).

Sitting around drinking with them last Fall they asked me why I hadn't hit on either of them back in the day. Had to break it to them that yes, I had indeed hit on each of them, I just wasn't rude and they couldn't recognize it. They ended up calling other old friends and found out that others remembered my hitting on each of them in no uncertain terms.

The upshot here ladies, is that you may one day miss that which you now think is derisive. Nobody is trying to do you or society any harm by giving a catcall (and I never met anyone pissed off at birds singing to attract a mate, people are just critters too).

/still think they're both hot
//except for the fake bewbs
 
2012-06-22 05:36:04 PM

Nana's Vibrator: There was a thread yesterday about "50 million workplace bullies..." where a farkette was being sexually harrassed by a female and looking for help/advice - toward the end.
It's a single anecdote so no statistics, but validation that it does happen.


Huh. I missed that one. Maybe I'll go see if it's dead...
 
2012-06-22 05:39:51 PM

namegoeshere: Nana's Vibrator: There was a thread yesterday about "50 million workplace bullies..." where a farkette was being sexually harrassed by a female and looking for help/advice - toward the end.
It's a single anecdote so no statistics, but validation that it does happen.

Huh. I missed that one. Maybe I'll go see if it's dead...


it's still open
 
2012-06-22 05:42:44 PM
I work in downtown San Francisco and there are people with clipboards on the sidewalk _everywhere_. And they seem to think that just because I'm walking down the street, they have a right to my time and my thoughts ( and hopefully my money). They don't care who I am; they just want something from me, and suddenly it's up to me to turn down a brash request that I shouldn't have to entertain in the first place.

Whistling is like that. It's not a compliment, it's an impolite request. If you want to compliment a woman, compliment something she had a choice in, like her shirt. Or even " you look great today."

There's a time and a place for flirting, and it isn't the street in the middle of the afternoon.
 
2012-06-22 05:45:08 PM

the_vicious_fez: I work in downtown San Francisco and there are people with clipboards on the sidewalk _everywhere_. And they seem to think that just because I'm walking down the street, they have a right to my time and my thoughts ( and hopefully my money). They don't care who I am; they just want something from me, and suddenly it's up to me to turn down a brash request that I shouldn't have to entertain in the first place.

Whistling is like that. It's not a compliment, it's an impolite request. If you want to compliment a woman, compliment something she had a choice in, like her shirt. Or even " you look great today."

There's a time and a place for flirting, and it isn't the street in the middle of the afternoon.


Wait, are you saying the clipboard assholes are hitting on me? 'Cause that changes everything.
 
2012-06-22 05:46:01 PM

Troublesome Strumpet: Looks like we're going green. Cue the clueless farktards in 3. . . 2. . .


You already posted.
 
2012-06-22 05:48:29 PM
Gawd, this thread is depressing. Has to be a new low, even for Fark.

Cat-calling/whistling at people is rude and low class. The billboard takes an unnecessary swipe at construction workers too.

Smh.
 
2012-06-22 05:51:42 PM
And honestly, given the sheer number of women who don't like this, you'd think people would at least realize that it isn't doing them any favors even if they don't understand why not.
 
2012-06-22 05:52:11 PM

the_vicious_fez: I work in downtown San Francisco and there are people with clipboards on the sidewalk _everywhere_. And they seem to think that just because I'm walking down the street, they have a right to my time and my thoughts ( and hopefully my money). They don't care who I am; they just want something from me, and suddenly it's up to me to turn down a brash request that I shouldn't have to entertain in the first place.

Whistling is like that. It's not a compliment, it's an impolite request. If you want to compliment a woman, compliment something she had a choice in, like her shirt. Or even " you look great today."

There's a time and a place for flirting, and it isn't the street in the middle of the afternoon.


Wow. Did someone just make a rational analogy to express displeasure without bringing up rape, the "patriarchy", or advocating the assault of those who would dare to offend them?

I had to double check the URL after reading that to make sure I was still at fark.
 
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