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2012-06-22 01:03:49 PM
A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!
 
2012-06-22 01:04:55 PM
you fryered
 
2012-06-22 01:11:35 PM

markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!


Like using Duct tape to hold things in place?
 
2012-06-22 01:23:03 PM

weapon13: markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!

Like using Duct tape to hold things in place?


Better that than to accidentally cover static ports...
 
2012-06-22 01:23:36 PM
A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!


GREAT!!! Thanks, dick!
 
2012-06-22 01:24:05 PM
Some discussion here: Link

And a similar incident on a similar craft repaired 4 months after a hard landing at JFK.

Link

nycaviation.com
 
2012-06-22 01:27:33 PM

markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!


I dunno. I've read tonnes of stuff on Fark over the years about the short cuts made with airplane maintenance and it's never really bothered me. I just have faith that planes are built with a lot of redundancies and that the pilot isn't going to fly it if he sees that it's totally farked. Kinda makes it more exciting in a way. Flying is pretty damn boring so at least if I pretend that the wing might come off over the atlantic I can get a bit more fun out of it.

As for this vid, I wonder what that landing felt like. The roughest landing I've ever experienced was probably not half as rough as that. Although it's difficult to know because you never see what your landing looks like from the outside (unless the landing is so bad that you see it on the news later in the day). I bet a few people on that plane came close to bringing back up their lunches.
 
2012-06-22 01:31:07 PM

Paris1127: weapon13: markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!

Like using Duct tape to hold things in place?

Better that than to accidentally cover static ports...


Assuming the alternative is to ...... not cover them at all and let the wasps do what they may.
 
2012-06-22 01:31:39 PM

darch: GREAT!!! Thanks, dick!


Well, considering the insanely high safety rate of US domestic commercial air travel over the past few years, I'd say there're really nothing to worry about.

If you see a guy walking up to a plane with a fist-full of zip ties and bailing wire, you're pretty much assured that whatever they're fixing, that's the appropriate fix for the job.
 
2012-06-22 01:34:20 PM

weapon13: markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!

Like using Duct tape to hold things in place?


That's "speed tape" to you.
 
2012-06-22 01:35:43 PM
A co-worker used to do aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the work it takes to keep them flying safely, you'd fly more often!
 
2012-06-22 01:43:43 PM
i196.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-22 01:44:47 PM
Bondo and paint. No problem.
 
2012-06-22 01:52:00 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Bondo and paint. No problem.


Those wrinkles are small compared to the size of the plane. Pick the right color/pattern to hide the wrinkles, repaint plane. Problem solved.
 
2012-06-22 02:02:28 PM

Evil Canadian: Paris1127: weapon13: markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!

Like using Duct tape to hold things in place?

Better that than to accidentally cover static ports...

Assuming the alternative is to ...... not cover them at all and let the wasps do what they may.


They probably shouldn't fly this plane again, and if they do they shouldn't do so for 20 years after neglecting to follow Boeing's repair instructions...
 
2012-06-22 02:33:07 PM

Paris1127: Evil Canadian: Paris1127: weapon13: markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!

Like using Duct tape to hold things in place?

Better that than to accidentally cover static ports...

Assuming the alternative is to ...... not cover them at all and let the wasps do what they may.

They probably shouldn't fly this plane again, and if they do they shouldn't do so for 20 years after neglecting to follow Boeing's repair instructions...


Something, something stereotype about cheap shiat
 
2012-06-22 02:44:14 PM

whyRpeoplesostupid: [i196.photobucket.com image 300x711]


I was thinking the exact same thing.
 
2012-06-22 03:53:16 PM
Any pilots on fark? Why the rough landing? Was it pilot error or weather conditions at the airport or?
 
2012-06-22 04:14:33 PM

indarwinsshadow: Any pilots on fark? Why the rough landing? Was it pilot error or weather conditions at the airport or?


it would appear that they just let the nose drop. main structural strength of the aircraft is right around where the main landing gear is located. thats why when you fly and land...typically...you feel the main landing gear touch first and then the nose will fall with a decrease of airspeed. put a good amount of weight/force on that nose landing gear that it isnt meant to handle...and there you go.

by the way, its reasons like this boeing keeps cranking out aircraft but you do not hear about american based carriers taking those orders...
 
2012-06-22 04:14:35 PM

indarwinsshadow: Any pilots on fark? Why the rough landing? Was it pilot error or weather conditions at the airport or?


I'm not a pilot, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
2012-06-22 05:09:11 PM

indarwinsshadow: Any pilots on fark? Why the rough landing? Was it pilot error or weather conditions at the airport or?


At the time of the incident, at 1000 feet the winds were out of the southwest at 58 kts with gusts reaching 78 kts.
At 500 feet the wind was out of the same direction at around 50 kts.
At the surface, it was at 28 kts with gusts to 48 kts.
Moderate to sever turbulence was reported from 500 feet above the ground all the way to the surface by several flight crews prior to the incident. There was also wind shear reported plus or minus 20 kts.

It was not a good day to fly.
 
2012-06-22 05:49:08 PM
In unrelated news, Southwest Airlines has announced plans to increase the size of its fleet!
 
2012-06-22 06:24:22 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, the captain has turned off the bladder control sign. You are now free to piss yourself about the cabin.
 
2012-06-22 06:50:46 PM

Fabric_Man: In unrelated news, Southwest Airlines has announced plans to increase the size of its fleet!


HA!

It's funny because Southwest sucks.
 
2012-06-22 06:50:54 PM

markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!


So if I knew 100% I would probably have no problem with flying again, right?
 
2012-06-22 07:30:10 PM
Thanks. Personally, flying scares the bejesus out of me. After watching the video, it just reaffirms why I like staying on the ground.
 
2012-06-22 07:36:02 PM
Am I the only one that read "Anal" on the side of the plane?
 
2012-06-22 08:30:34 PM

clutchcargo2002:

At the time of the incident, at 1000 feet the winds were out of the southwest at 58 kts with gusts reaching 78 kts.
At 500 feet the wind was out of the same direction at around 50 kts.
At the surface, it was at 28 kts with gusts to 48 kts.
Moderate to sever turbulence was reported from 500 feet above the ground all the way to the surface by several flight crews prior to the incident. There was also wind shear reported plus or minus 20 kts.

It was not a good day to fly.


Holy fark. What airport?
 
2012-06-22 10:02:22 PM

fatbear: clutchcargo2002:

At the time of the incident, at 1000 feet the winds were out of the southwest at 58 kts with gusts reaching 78 kts.
At 500 feet the wind was out of the same direction at around 50 kts.
At the surface, it was at 28 kts with gusts to 48 kts.
Moderate to sever turbulence was reported from 500 feet above the ground all the way to the surface by several flight crews prior to the incident. There was also wind shear reported plus or minus 20 kts.

It was not a good day to fly.

Holy fark. What airport?


That was Narita airport at the time of the incident.
 
2012-06-22 10:41:28 PM
Am I the only one who heard "YeeHaa!" & imagined it orange with big '01' on the side?
 
2012-06-22 10:44:44 PM

markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!


If I knew 99 percent of the shiat I'd know almost all the bad stuff! I'd be more worried if I only knew 1 percent of the stuff and still never wanted to fly again.
 
2012-06-22 10:49:18 PM

Dr.Zom: markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!

If I knew 99 percent of the shiat I'd know almost all the bad stuff! I'd be more worried if I only knew 1 percent of the stuff and still never wanted to fly again.


More worried.. sure. Maybe the most worried.
 
2012-06-22 11:25:39 PM
"It is not yet decided whether we will return the aircraft to service," says the spokeswoman

Seriously?? That seems to be a rather nice structural flaw at the moment. If the statement was worded to include, "AFTER MAJOR REPAIRS" I might not be so very irritated at the statement. But, they are dealing with a lot of lives, not only on the plane, but on the ground as well.
How about, "I have not yet decided to knock you out, use your mouth a make-shift port-a-potty, then tape smelling salts under your nose and film the hilarious aftermath if you tried to book me on that particular plane, ma'am.."

Already thought I was going to die on one flight when the turbulence was so bad that the wings looked like they were literally flapping up and down, like a bird in flight. I had NO idea they could bend like that and not be ripped clean off the fuselage. After about 5 minutes of squeezing the hell out of the arm rests... I finally said 'screw it - not like there is one single thing I can do' and relaxed and let it shake and bump for another 15-20 minutes.

/NOT a fan of flying anymore... and best friend is a pilot lol
 
2012-06-22 11:51:17 PM
TheMega

Already thought I was going to die on one flight when the turbulence was so bad that the wings looked like they were literally flapping up and down, like a bird in flight. I had NO idea they could bend like that and not be ripped clean off the fuselage. After about 5 minutes of squeezing the hell out of the arm rests... I finally said 'screw it - not like there is one single thing I can do' and relaxed and let it shake and bump for another 15-20 minutes.

/NOT a fan of flying anymore... and best friend is a pilot lol


The wings are absolutely made to do that. It's not recommended, but you had nothing to really worry about. Only your breakfast/lunch/dinner meeting your lap.
My wife used to travel globally for work and told me on many occasions of turbulance so bad she left her seat until her seatbelt grabbed her.

Seatbelts are important.
 
2012-06-22 11:55:11 PM

indarwinsshadow: Any pilots on fark? Why the rough landing? Was it pilot error or weather conditions at the airport or?


Asian drivers
 
2012-06-22 11:57:42 PM
IANAA&P, but shouldn't they retire that hull now?

Or can it be "fixed".
 
2012-06-23 12:04:05 AM

clutchcargo2002: indarwinsshadow: Any pilots on fark? Why the rough landing? Was it pilot error or weather conditions at the airport or?

At the time of the incident, at 1000 feet the winds were out of the southwest at 58 kts with gusts reaching 78 kts.
At 500 feet the wind was out of the same direction at around 50 kts.
At the surface, it was at 28 kts with gusts to 48 kts.
Moderate to sever turbulence was reported from 500 feet above the ground all the way to the surface by several flight crews prior to the incident. There was also wind shear reported plus or minus 20 kts.

It was not a good day to fly.


How much of that wind was x-wind? Just trying to paint a mental picture. I've taken off landed in winds pushing 50kts and agree its not fun. Plus/minus 20 and reported severe at low altitude!? No thanks.
 
2012-06-23 12:49:25 AM

TheMega: That seems to be a rather nice structural flaw at the moment. If the statement was worded to include, "AFTER MAJOR REPAIRS" I might not be so very irritated at the statement.


Of course "major repairs" is implied. The statement could be rephrased as "we're not yet sure whether or not it's totaled."
 
2012-06-23 01:02:53 AM

iron_city_ap: clutchcargo2002: indarwinsshadow: Any pilots on fark? Why the rough landing? Was it pilot error or weather conditions at the airport or?

At the time of the incident, at 1000 feet the winds were out of the southwest at 58 kts with gusts reaching 78 kts.
At 500 feet the wind was out of the same direction at around 50 kts.
At the surface, it was at 28 kts with gusts to 48 kts.
Moderate to sever turbulence was reported from 500 feet above the ground all the way to the surface by several flight crews prior to the incident. There was also wind shear reported plus or minus 20 kts.

It was not a good day to fly.

How much of that wind was x-wind? Just trying to paint a mental picture. I've taken off landed in winds pushing 50kts and agree its not fun. Plus/minus 20 and reported severe at low altitude!? No thanks.


The winds at the surface was 250@28G48. The airplane landed on 16L, if I remember correctly. So, pretty much direct cross-wind.
 
2012-06-23 02:54:23 AM
You will see this plane on craigslist very soon.

"flies great, just needs new top"
 
2012-06-23 07:27:14 AM

Fish in a Barrel: TheMega: That seems to be a rather nice structural flaw at the moment. If the statement was worded to include, "AFTER MAJOR REPAIRS" I might not be so very irritated at the statement.

Of course "major repairs" is implied. The statement could be rephrased as "we're not yet sure whether or not it's totaled."


Pretty much this. The airline is replacing their 767s as soon as a new one or a 787 leaves Everett. The cutoff age seems to be 10 years. This plane is 9 years old. It all comes down to what the insurer says.
 
2012-06-23 07:52:28 AM

TheMega: "It is not yet decided whether we will return the aircraft to service," says the spokeswoman

Seriously?? That seems to be a rather nice structural flaw at the moment. If the statement was worded to include, "AFTER MAJOR REPAIRS" I might not be so very irritated at the statement. But, they are dealing with a lot of lives, not only on the plane, but on the ground as well.
How about, "I have not yet decided to knock you out, use your mouth a make-shift port-a-potty, then tape smelling salts under your nose and film the hilarious aftermath if you tried to book me on that particular plane, ma'am.."

Already thought I was going to die on one flight when the turbulence was so bad that the wings looked like they were literally flapping up and down, like a bird in flight. I had NO idea they could bend like that and not be ripped clean off the fuselage. After about 5 minutes of squeezing the hell out of the arm rests... I finally said 'screw it - not like there is one single thing I can do' and relaxed and let it shake and bump for another 15-20 minutes.

/NOT a fan of flying anymore... and best friend is a pilot lol


I interpreted it differently. I read it as "We haven't decided if the airframe is totaled, or if we're going to make some very expensive repairs and get it back in service." The more I think about it, the more I think your interpretation is correct. The spokeswoman is probably simply not speaking about something she doesn't know about.

Read about this 787 wing bending test - hopefully your next flight won't be such a white-knuckler.
 
2012-06-23 08:41:18 AM
With almost 20 years of aircraft service and repair under my belt i can honestly say you would be amazed what 700 mph speed tape and safety wire will fix.

"Aircraft grade" speed tape isn't "Duct Tape" not by a long shot. Imagine high Tensile strength rubberized mesh covered in a combination of superglue and rubber glue. Get that crap on your hands and it's hell to get it off.

That being said, their corrosion control programs aren't what they should be and the reason they are watched so carefully by the authorities is that it can result in cataclysmic failure of the aircraft structure, as in, huge hole pops open in the fuselage and people go bye bye.

Landings like this are ALWAYS the pilots fault, Always. Bad judgment call for landing like a noob or bad call for landing in adverse conditions, even if he had 0 choice due to fuel or weather there are still ways to prevent this kind of ass-hattery.
 
2012-06-23 09:15:48 AM
'At's not an 'ard landin'! THIS is an 'ard landin'!

Anyway, what must the interior look like around that seat row? Apart from the stains, of course.

// At least the front tail didn't fall off!
 
2012-06-23 11:15:44 AM
Sure, it was the landing.

For happily, tangible manifestation is very often left as evidence of trespass . . . even from so intangible a quarter as . . . the Twilight Zone.
 
2012-06-23 02:54:54 PM
The wrinkles in the airframe let you know it's functioning correctly... No worries.

If the runway wouldn't have jumped up at the last minute, everything would have been cool.
 
2012-06-23 03:23:59 PM
Remember the Aloha Airlines flight that sucked the stewardess out to her death? My sister and her new husband were on that aircraft a week before, and they had a hard landing that strewed items throughout the fuselage. Storage bins dropped open, people were struck with debris, and that aircraft was still certified to fly. Here's what it looked like a week later:

theticket-atlanta.com

I was involved in a hard landing (autorotation) in a Chinook helicopter. The way they determine if a hard landing has occurred, is if the emergency lights (G-force controlled) come on. From a distance, you couldn't tell any difference from a normal Chinook. But up close, you could see that every rivet in the belly was popped, and the aircraft was swaybacked.
 
2012-06-23 04:37:52 PM

Paris1127: weapon13: markie_farkie: A friend of a friend does commercial aircraft maintenance.

He said if you knew 99% of the shiat that goes on to keep things in the air, you'd never fly again!

Like using Duct tape to hold things in place?

Better that than to accidentally cover static ports...


ahhh imagine the horror of decending very slowly at night over water. Unable to see anything one wing tip hits water and the oil hits the anus.
 
2012-06-24 12:08:20 AM
www.greenballoon.net

So blind.
 
2012-06-24 02:16:10 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Puny plane.
 
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