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2012-06-22 02:18:48 PM  

ChimpMitten: The issue at hand is that Romney will run the country with the experience that he learned at Bain. So, as you say, "No care for people, products, companies, or anything other than profits," and I am fairly certain that the profits that he cares about are not mine or yours.


This is the crux of the matter. You cannot get angry when people ask you questions about the one thing you're putting on your resume. Mitt wants us to simply nod and smile when he says he's a business man so he's qualified to run the country. Well, a country is not a business. A country is an amalgamation of people pulling together for the common good. If any business was run solely for the common good it would go out of business. If any country was run primarily to acquire money it would collapse. They're not one and the same.
 
2012-06-22 02:19:45 PM  
Well, to be fair, he said he created 10,000 jobs. He didn't say where.
 
2012-06-22 02:30:45 PM  

Dr Dreidel: but you can almost break down the Obama/Romney split by asking the question "Do you believe that a corporation and its leadership should have a conscience?"


And the (D)/(R) split. Government regulation of industry is essentially a government required conscience.

I'd just like to see it actually framed that way. I'd like to have the actual open and honest discussion. Yes, Mitt, your company Bain made a ton in profits. It did so by doing anything necessary including firing workers. Is this what the country considers a success? Profits at any costs, or should there be limits, perhaps insertion of morals into how you gain profits?
 
2012-06-22 02:31:16 PM  
Fark Independents: Mitt should be president because he has private sector business experience.

Rest of the world: What about Bain Capital?

Fark Independents: STOP BRINGING UP MITT ROMNEY'S PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESS EXPERIENCE!
 
2012-06-22 02:34:07 PM  

Diogenes: Scavengers play an important and necessary role in an ecosystem.



Scavengers only eat the dead. These guys ate the healthy.

/you insulted scavengers
 
2012-06-22 02:47:05 PM  
Romney was a very successful businessman. That makes him a target for libs who instinctively recoil from the tenets of capitalism.

Efforts to uncover nefarious things about his business dealings have been laughable, though to Obamaniacs every attempt is treated like it just came down from the mount.

Obama never exposed himself to such tired-assed scrutiny because what are you going to do, say his community was poorly organized?
 
2012-06-22 02:48:30 PM  

Cletus C.: [snip]


Go back to pulling teeth over the internet, Phil.
 
2012-06-22 02:50:38 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Just imagine the jobs he could outsource if he were president. but that's okay he has a plan to put Americans to work. Fighting the Iranians.


And building weapons to export to that little ray of sunshine we know as Syria.
 
2012-06-22 02:54:55 PM  

Cletus C.: Just keep throwing this against the wall and someday it will stick.


i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-22 02:57:15 PM  

stoli n coke: Fark Independents: Mitt should be president because he has private sector business experience.

Rest of the world: What about Bain Capital?

Fark Independents: STOP BRINGING UP MITT ROMNEY'S PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESS EXPERIENCE!


Cletus C.: Romney was a very successful businessman. That makes him a target for libs who instinctively recoil from the tenets of capitalism.

Efforts to uncover nefarious things about his business dealings have been laughable, though to Obamaniacs every attempt is treated like it just came down from the mount.

Obama never exposed himself to such tired-assed scrutiny because what are you going to do, say his community was poorly organized?


See what I mean?

But I expect no less from the people who backed an oil company chief who couldn't find oil in Texas and a guy who went bankrupt running a casino.
 
2012-06-22 03:03:49 PM  
Just think, some people think that he's too vanilla to be innovative... I think my new nickname for him will be Bootstrap Mitt...
 
2012-06-22 03:05:43 PM  

stoli n coke: stoli n coke: Fark Independents: Mitt should be president because he has private sector business experience.

Rest of the world: What about Bain Capital?

Fark Independents: STOP BRINGING UP MITT ROMNEY'S PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESS EXPERIENCE!

Cletus C.: Romney was a very successful businessman. That makes him a target for libs who instinctively recoil from the tenets of capitalism.

Efforts to uncover nefarious things about his business dealings have been laughable, though to Obamaniacs every attempt is treated like it just came down from the mount.

Obama never exposed himself to such tired-assed scrutiny because what are you going to do, say his community was poorly organized?

See what I mean?

But I expect no less from the people who backed an oil company chief who couldn't find oil in Texas and a guy who went bankrupt running a casino.


Ah, but you misunderstand. Bring up Romney's business experience. He should do that himself at every opportunity. He was incredibly successful at Bain and should be proud of that. His supporters should bring it up often.

What's going on here is repeated attempts to paint his work as evil. Nobody's buying. Even His High Holiness Bill Clinton has poo-pooed that.
 
2012-06-22 03:11:05 PM  
People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.
 
2012-06-22 03:13:47 PM  

Serious Black: Cletus C.: Just keep throwing this against the wall and someday it will stick.

Are you saying that Bain Capital didn't help companies send jobs overseas?


wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

do you have a problem with illegal immigrants working in the US?

don't you care about poor people in other countries? racist.
 
2012-06-22 03:20:08 PM  

Cletus C.: Romney was a very successful businessman. That makes him a target for libs who instinctively recoil from the tenets of capitalism.

Liberals see capitalism as one of several useful economic systems useful to society if used appropriately. Conservatives view capitalism as the goal rather than a means to a goal.

Efforts to uncover nefarious things about his business dealings have been laughable

Nefarious things = confirming Romney's claims
laughable efforts = successfully revealing the true way Bain made money


, though to Obamaniacs every attempt is treated like it just came down from the mount.

Wut? What attempts?

Obama never exposed himself to such tired-assed scrutiny because what are you going to do, say his community was poorly organized?


mustard, teleprompter, corpsman, 57 States and so on an so forth
 
2012-06-22 03:20:27 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Serious Black: Cletus C.: Just keep throwing this against the wall and someday it will stick.

Are you saying that Bain Capital didn't help companies send jobs overseas?

wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

do you have a problem with illegal immigrants working in the US?

don't you care about poor people in other countries? racist.


Yes, because I asked your fellow shameless conservative trollbag if he doesn't believe Bain Capital assisted companies in offshoring jobs, that automatically means that I want the federal government to nationalize the entire economy and make owning private property a class A felony punishable by death. Thanks for clearing that up for us, dumbass.
 
2012-06-22 03:21:33 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.


That's weak even by your standards and that is saying alot.
 
2012-06-22 03:24:05 PM  

Serious Black: tenpoundsofcheese: Serious Black: Cletus C.: Just keep throwing this against the wall and someday it will stick.

Are you saying that Bain Capital didn't help companies send jobs overseas?

wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

do you have a problem with illegal immigrants working in the US?

don't you care about poor people in other countries? racist.

Yes, because I asked your fellow shameless conservative trollbag if he doesn't believe Bain Capital assisted companies in offshoring jobs, that automatically means that I want the federal government to nationalize the entire economy and make owning private property a class A felony punishable by death. Thanks for clearing that up for us, dumbass.


Cut ten pounds of derp some slack. Between tuning into Rush, checking The Blaze, and cry-jacking it to his autographed picture of Breitbart, he's very tired.
 
2012-06-22 03:28:58 PM  

mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.

That's weak even by your standards and that is saying alot.


Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
Don't poor people in other countries deserve to have jobs too?
Don't many companies have investors and customers who are not in the US and "deserve" to have jobs too?
Isn't it the job of the company to manage their costs?

seriously, wtf is the problem?
 
2012-06-22 03:30:41 PM  

Serious Black: Cletus C.: Just keep throwing this against the wall and someday it will stick.

Are you saying that Bain Capital didn't help companies send jobs overseas?



you should know by now that a republican is not interested in truth or facts. they're only interest is the game of keeping things confused enough so they can sucker folks who are easily snowed into voting for their guy. it works too.
 
2012-06-22 03:34:37 PM  

Serious Black: tenpoundsofcheese: Serious Black: Cletus C.: Just keep throwing this against the wall and someday it will stick.

Are you saying that Bain Capital didn't help companies send jobs overseas?

wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

do you have a problem with illegal immigrants working in the US?

don't you care about poor people in other countries? racist.

Yes, because I asked your fellow shameless conservative trollbag if he doesn't believe Bain Capital assisted companies in offshoring jobs, that automatically means that I want the federal government to nationalize the entire economy and make owning private property a class A felony punishable by death. Thanks for clearing that up for us, dumbass.


you still haven't answered my question. wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

if they are "helped" by an investor, who the fark cares?

racist or xenophobe? why don't you like non-Americans having jobs? which is it?
 
2012-06-22 03:37:28 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.

That's weak even by your standards and that is saying alot.

Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
Don't poor people in other countries deserve to have jobs too?
Don't many companies have investors and customers who are not in the US and "deserve" to have jobs too?
Isn't it the job of the company to manage their costs?

seriously, wtf is the problem?


when your job is sent to mexico or china or india then you'll have a clue.
maybe
 
2012-06-22 03:40:40 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.

That's weak even by your standards and that is saying alot.

Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
Don't poor people in other countries deserve to have jobs too?
Don't many companies have investors and customers who are not in the US and "deserve" to have jobs too?
Isn't it the job of the company to manage their costs?

seriously, wtf is the problem?


Then let Magic Underwear run for president of farking India.

Running on a platform that you'll help create American jobs doesn't fly when your only business experience is destroying American jobs.

At least, it doesn't fly with those of us who only had to wear helmets during football season.
 
2012-06-22 03:41:31 PM  

Hobodeluxe: tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.

That's weak even by your standards and that is saying alot.

Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
Don't poor people in other countries deserve to have jobs too?
Don't many companies have investors and customers who are not in the US and "deserve" to have jobs too?
Isn't it the job of the company to manage their costs?

seriously, wtf is the problem?

when your job is sent to mexico or china or india then you'll have a clue.
maybe


If a person has a job that can be sent to someone in mexico, china or india, then maybe they need to find another job or at least be prepared for if it happens.

you didn't answer the question either. what is wrong with a person from mexico, china or india making a living? do you have a problem with people from mexico coming to the US and taking jobs?
 
2012-06-22 03:43:45 PM  

stoli n coke: tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.

That's weak even by your standards and that is saying alot.

Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
Don't poor people in other countries deserve to have jobs too?
Don't many companies have investors and customers who are not in the US and "deserve" to have jobs too?
Isn't it the job of the company to manage their costs?

seriously, wtf is the problem?

Then let Magic Underwear run for president of farking India.

Running on a platform that you'll help create American jobs doesn't fly when your only business experience is destroying American jobs.

At least, it doesn't fly with those of us who only had to wear helmets during football season.


You didn't answer the question.
Why do you have a problem with people in other countries getting jobs from US companies?
Do you have a similar problem with illegal immigrants getting jobs from US employers?
 
2012-06-22 03:47:19 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: If a person has a job that can be sent to someone in mexico, china or india, then maybe they need to find another job or at least be prepared for if it happens.


If a person has a job that can be done by someone from Mexico, China or India with no training, then maybe they need to find another job or at least be prepared for it if it happens.

// see how you're arguing for Open Borders?
// put another way - if I can fire an entire department which "only" turns a 2% YOY profit, costing tens of people their jobs and replace them for 1/2 the cost with a services firm, why shouldn't I?
// you believe that a company has no conscience and doesn't need one; I believe companies should have consciences (not that they need to follow them 100%)
// which raises an interesting question re: corps-as-people...
 
2012-06-22 03:47:57 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Serious Black: tenpoundsofcheese: Serious Black: Cletus C.: Just keep throwing this against the wall and someday it will stick.

Are you saying that Bain Capital didn't help companies send jobs overseas?

wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

do you have a problem with illegal immigrants working in the US?

don't you care about poor people in other countries? racist.

Yes, because I asked your fellow shameless conservative trollbag if he doesn't believe Bain Capital assisted companies in offshoring jobs, that automatically means that I want the federal government to nationalize the entire economy and make owning private property a class A felony punishable by death. Thanks for clearing that up for us, dumbass.

you still haven't answered my question. wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

if they are "helped" by an investor, who the fark cares?

racist or xenophobe? why don't you like non-Americans having jobs? which is it?


If an American company wants to send jobs overseas, I fully expect that American company to ensure that the jobs they send overseas meet all the legal requirements for jobs that American workers benefit from. That rarely happens. Most often, these companies ship jobs overseas to drive labor costs down to pennies on the dollar in order to enrich executives who already can swim in Scrooge McDuck's vault. Profit should never come at the expense of the employees of the company making that profit.
 
2012-06-22 03:48:57 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: stoli n coke: tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.

That's weak even by your standards and that is saying alot.

Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
Don't poor people in other countries deserve to have jobs too?
Don't many companies have investors and customers who are not in the US and "deserve" to have jobs too?
Isn't it the job of the company to manage their costs?

seriously, wtf is the problem?

Then let Magic Underwear run for president of farking India.

Running on a platform that you'll help create American jobs doesn't fly when your only business experience is destroying American jobs.

At least, it doesn't fly with those of us who only had to wear helmets during football season.

You didn't answer the question.
Why do you have a problem with people in other countries getting jobs from US companies?
Do you have a similar problem with illegal immigrants getting jobs from US employers?


I don't have a problem with it. I'll laugh my ass off when Drew gives your job to a kid in Mumbai for 75 cents an hour.

'm just pointing out that Romney is a fool to run on a job creation platform for Americans when it's clear he doesn't know a goddamn thing about it.
 
2012-06-22 03:53:35 PM  

Dr Dreidel: tenpoundsofcheese: If a person has a job that can be sent to someone in mexico, china or india, then maybe they need to find another job or at least be prepared for if it happens.

If a person has a job that can be done by someone from Mexico, China or India with no training, then maybe they need to find another job or at least be prepared for it if it happens.

// see how you're arguing for Open Borders?
Nope. Not arguing that. Just seeing if people are consistent about whining about non-US people getting jobs

// put another way - if I can fire an entire department which "only" turns a 2% YOY profit, costing tens of people their jobs and replace them for 1/2 the cost with a services firm, why shouldn't I?

All other things being equal, you are right, you should. Your job is to do be fiscally responsible to your investors. Besides, by doing that, you are supporting jobs in that services firm.

// you believe that a company has no conscience and doesn't need one; I believe companies should have consciences (not that they need to follow them 100%)

If your investors tell you they care about having a conscience (however that would be measured) than making money, then that is their business.

// which raises an interesting question re: corps-as-people...

now that is interesting. If they have a "conscience", then why aren't they considered people. Excellent point.

 
2012-06-22 03:55:34 PM  

stoli n coke: tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.

That's weak even by your standards and that is saying alot.

Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
Don't poor people in other countries deserve to have jobs too?
Don't many companies have investors and customers who are not in the US and "deserve" to have jobs too?
Isn't it the job of the company to manage their costs?

seriously, wtf is the problem?

Then let Magic Underwear run for president of farking India.

Running on a platform that you'll help create American jobs doesn't fly when your only business experience is destroying American jobs.

At least, it doesn't fly with those of us who only had to wear helmets during football season.


Were the stands at risk of collapse? Uncertain times call for uncertain leadership, it all makes perfect sense.
 
2012-06-22 03:56:26 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: racist or xenophobe? why don't you like non-Americans having jobs? which is it?


I don't like non-Americans having jobs if it means that they are not protected by similar labor laws as American workers. Globalization is great if it improves working conditions and raises compensation.

So I guess that makes me a racist.
 
2012-06-22 03:59:54 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: People who are against outsourcing are obviously racists and xenophobes.

They don't want poorer people in other countries to have jobs. Pathetic.

That's weak even by your standards and that is saying alot.

Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
I'm fine with at as long as you outsource them to Canada. Romney claiming to be the candidate that will bring jobs back to the US is the sticky wicket.


Don't poor people in other countries deserve to have jobs too?
Yes. Is the UN election coming up soon also?

Don't many companies have investors and customers who are not in the US and "deserve" to have jobs too?
Yes.


Isn't it the job of the company to manage their costs?
I'm pretty sure the primary job of the company is to produce something people want to buy. Maintaining costs is necessary to keep the company profitable. Slashing jobs or outsourcing is a one way of doing that. The downside is firing people people who built your company and making future political platforms about caring for workers seem hypocritical.

seriously, wtf is the problem?


I have no problem with the free market and running a business like a greedy bastard but if you are going to run as a job creator based on your business experience, you should be able to back that shiat up.
 
2012-06-22 04:01:30 PM  

Serious Black: tenpoundsofcheese: Serious Black: tenpoundsofcheese: Serious Black: Cletus C.: Just keep throwing this against the wall and someday it will stick.

Are you saying that Bain Capital didn't help companies send jobs overseas?

wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

do you have a problem with illegal immigrants working in the US?

don't you care about poor people in other countries? racist.

Yes, because I asked your fellow shameless conservative trollbag if he doesn't believe Bain Capital assisted companies in offshoring jobs, that automatically means that I want the federal government to nationalize the entire economy and make owning private property a class A felony punishable by death. Thanks for clearing that up for us, dumbass.

you still haven't answered my question. wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

if they are "helped" by an investor, who the fark cares?

racist or xenophobe? why don't you like non-Americans having jobs? which is it?

If an American company wants to send jobs overseas, I fully expect that American company to ensure that the jobs they send overseas meet all the legal requirements for jobs that American workers benefit from.

wut? So you are saying that American laws trump laws in other countries? wow. I thought you were a xenophobe, but now it is clear you are a xenophobic nationalist.

That rarely happens. Most often, these companies ship jobs overseas to drive labor costs down to pennies on the dollar in order to enrich executives who already can swim in Scrooge McDuck's vault.

Companies re-balance their labor costs all the time. Do you believe that an employee based in Wyoming should be paid the same as an employee based in NYC? Yeah, it is all about the childish view of Scrooge McDuck. Profits belong to the shareholders. Execs are on a comp. plan that usually is dependent on them making money for the investors. That is their job. Get over it.

Profit should never come at the expense of the employees of the company making that profit.

wut? the employees in India, China or elsewhere are being paid the prevailing wages.

 
2012-06-22 04:08:08 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Dr Dreidel: tenpoundsofcheese: If a person has a job that can be sent to someone in mexico, china or india, then maybe they need to find another job or at least be prepared for if it happens.

If a person has a job that can be done by someone from Mexico, China or India with no training, then maybe they need to find another job or at least be prepared for it if it happens.

// see how you're arguing for Open Borders?
Nope. Not arguing that. Just seeing if people are consistent about whining about non-US people getting jobs

// put another way - if I can fire an entire department which "only" turns a 2% YOY profit, costing tens of people their jobs and replace them for 1/2 the cost with a services firm, why shouldn't I?

All other things being equal, you are right, you should. Your job is to do be fiscally responsible to your investors. Besides, by doing that, you are supporting jobs in that services firm.

// you believe that a company has no conscience and doesn't need one; I believe companies should have consciences (not that they need to follow them 100%)

If your investors tell you they care about having a conscience (however that would be measured) than making money, then that is their business.

// which raises an interesting question re: corps-as-people...

now that is interesting. If they have a "conscience", then why aren't they considered people. Excellent point.


Investors are economic parasites that leech productivity.
 
2012-06-22 04:13:07 PM  

mrshowrules: Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
I'm fine with at as long as you outsource them to Canada.


So mainly white people? Got it.
Typical Anti-outsourcing racist attitude.


Of course some companies that Bain invested in outsourced. I bet they also bought supplies from overseas too. The point that people are missing is that pensions, teacher unions, college endowments and others have made a fortune by investing in Bain (investments of over $35,000,000,000 with above average returns).
 
2012-06-22 04:15:36 PM  

Robespierre: Investors are economic parasites that leech productivity.



If no one invests in businesses, people or growth, how does the productivity improve?
Where does the working capital come from to fuel growth?
 
2012-06-22 04:17:25 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: Why do you have a problem with outsourcing?
I'm fine with at as long as you outsource them to Canada.

So mainly white people? Got it.
Typical Anti-outsourcing racist attitude.


Of course some companies that Bain invested in outsourced. I bet they also bought supplies from overseas too. The point that people are missing is that pensions, teacher unions, college endowments and others have made a fortune by investing in Bain (investments of over $35,000,000,000 with above average returns).


Short term gains at the expense of everyone else AND long term productivity? Why on Earth would we be against that?! its almost as if that kind of leeching is what we are complaining about!
 
2012-06-22 04:17:38 PM  

farkityfarker: American companies have been exporting jobs under both Democratic and Republican administrations and congresses for well over a generation. The only thing that has slowed it down is the weakening dollar.

It's correct to criticize Romney for his part in the process, but it's disingenuous to pretend Obama or Clinton has done anything to prevent it.


You guys are so full of shiat. Obama and the Dems have tried but the Repubs filibustered just like everything else. Link
 
2012-06-22 04:19:39 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Robespierre: Investors are economic parasites that leech productivity.


If no one invests in businesses, people or growth, how does the productivity improve?
Where does the working capital come from to fuel growth?


Banks. At fixed interest rates that have no bearing on the profit the company generates. No big winners and no big losers. A sustainable economy.
 
2012-06-22 04:23:12 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Dr Dreidel: tenpoundsofcheese: If a person has a job that can be sent to someone in mexico, china or india, then maybe they need to find another job or at least be prepared for if it happens.

If a person has a job that can be done by someone from Mexico, China or India with no training, then maybe they need to find another job or at least be prepared for it if it happens.

// see how you're arguing for Open Borders?
Nope. Not arguing that. Just seeing if people are consistent about whining about non-US people getting jobs


I don't actually mind it. As long as the workers - be they American or foreign - work for an American company, they should be protected by American law. I realize this is something of an outlier philosophically, but GE (for example) shouldn't be allowed to skirt worker protection laws by relocating workers to Mexico.

I also think US-based businesses should be fined a full year's worth of salary for any month in which they fail to confirm an employee's eligibility to work in the US. You've got a team of 10 lettuce pickers, all of whom have no US paperwork? Golly gee, that's 10x their yearly pay (about $100k?) for each month that guy worked there. I feel that that's enough deterrent. Anyway, I'm off-topic...

put another way - if I can fire an entire department which "only" turns a 2% YOY profit, costing tens of people their jobs and replace them for 1/2 the cost with a services firm, why shouldn't I?

All other things being equal, you are right, you should. Your job is to do be fiscally responsible to your investors. Besides, by doing that, you are supporting jobs in that services firm.


Those service firm jobs are already there. The ones you ax are gone. And are you seriously suggesting that a business has more of a responsibility to its investors than to its workers? I suppose that may be legally true, but still...yikes. (I guess this goes back to the rest of the discussion.)

// you believe that a company has no conscience and doesn't need one; I believe companies should have consciences (not that they need to follow them 100%)

If your investors tell you they care about having a conscience (however that would be measured) than making money, then that is their business.

// which raises an interesting question re: corps-as-people...

now that is interesting. If they have a "conscience", then why aren't they considered people. Excellent point.


If they don't have consciences, then we've legally created a legion of sociopaths. Again, yikes.
 
2012-06-22 04:34:05 PM  
Little known fact: tenpoundsofcheese is Chinese and lives in Tianjin. He's taking an American troll's job and doing it for 2 cents on the dollar.
 
2012-06-22 04:35:08 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Just imagine the jobs he could outsource if he were president. but that's okay he has a plan to put Americans to work. Fighting the Iranians.


Might be a good idea to start outsourcing wars just so it is not Americans dying. Still a shame for all the crying republicans do on government waste they will not investigate military waste.
 
2012-06-22 05:21:51 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Serious Black: Cletus C.: Just keep throwing this against the wall and someday it will stick.

Are you saying that Bain Capital didn't help companies send jobs overseas?

wtf do you have a problem with a company making a decision about their own labor costs?

do you have a problem with illegal immigrants working in the US?

don't you care about poor people in other countries? racist.


I swear, if the GOP thought it would get Romney elected, I'm positive you'd snap your own spine just to suck your own cock. All for the good of the party.
 
2012-06-22 05:43:21 PM  

Cletus C.: He should do that himself at every opportunity. He was incredibly successful at Bain and should be proud of that. His supporters should bring it up often.


You must've slept through the primaries when other Republicans were running ads calling Romney a vulture capitalist.
 
2012-06-22 05:48:17 PM  

Farker Soze: Little known fact: tenpoundsofcheese is Chinese and lives in Tianjin. He's taking an American troll's job and doing it for 2 cents on the dollar.


Proof positive of the truth in the cliche "you get what you pay for".
 
2012-06-22 06:04:47 PM  
If any business was run solely for the common good it would go out of business.

"Stakeholder" capitalism, which considered workers and customers as important as shareholders, was the dominant business model in the US until Jack Welch and a couple of others began trumpeting "Shareholder" capitalism in the late 70's.

Companies used to work for the common good, and everyone benefitted. Now, only corporate officers and the parasitic finance industry prosper.

Interestingly, dividend performance has been significantly worse under the very model it was supposed to benefit from.

Jack Welch now refers to shareholder capitalism theory as the dumbest thing hes ever heard of.

But since a select few make godly sums now, expect them to fight any change tooth and nail.
 
2012-06-22 06:12:35 PM  

Cletus C.: What's going on here is repeated attempts to paint his work as evil.


No, Romney has hoped to be perceived as some kind of benevolent investor, risking his own money helping Crazy Cletus' Spittoon Refurbishry give Real 'Mercians good jobs. And that's all.

What's going on here is simply informing the electorate of the truth of the matter, a useless tactic had Romney been more honest about his resume.
 
2012-06-22 06:17:05 PM  

Cletus C.: ....What's going on here is repeated attempts to paint his work as evil. Nobody's buying. Even His High Holiness Bill Clinton has poo-pooed that.


That's a lie and you know it, not that you care. The point is, Romney never created jobs. He transferred wealth from the poor to the wealthy. He built nothing. He created nothing. All legal. But no help at all to America. Hell, he hasn't run a business since there was an internet! His only actual success was at being born to a daddy who actually did things and was successful.

That's W version 2.0. With magic underwear. We've seen how that works out.
 
2012-06-22 07:14:25 PM  

HighOnCraic: Cletus C.: He should do that himself at every opportunity. He was incredibly successful at Bain and should be proud of that. His supporters should bring it up often.

You must've slept through the primaries when other Republicans were running ads calling Romney a vulture capitalist.


What else did Gingrich, Bachmann, Perry et al have to say that I should have made note of?
 
2012-06-22 07:20:13 PM  

ghare: Cletus C.: ....What's going on here is repeated attempts to paint his work as evil. Nobody's buying. Even His High Holiness Bill Clinton has poo-pooed that.

That's a lie and you know it, not that you care. The point is, Romney never created jobs. He transferred wealth from the poor to the wealthy. He built nothing. He created nothing. All legal. But no help at all to America. Hell, he hasn't run a business since there was an internet! His only actual success was at being born to a daddy who actually did things and was successful.

That's W version 2.0. With magic underwear. We've seen how that works out.


From the Washington Post, June 1.

Bill Clinton, in an appearance on CNN last night, said that Mitt Romney has a "sterling business career" and that the campaign shouldn't be about what kind of work Romney did.

"I don't think we ought to get into the position where we say this is bad work; this is good work," Clinton said, adding: "There's no question that, in terms of getting up, going to the office, and basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who's been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold."

Also, the magic underwear again? Feels icky in an intolerant way. Sort of like calling a Muslim a "raghead." I'm not a Mormon but those I've known seem like good people. Making fun of their religion just seems wrong.
 
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