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(Duluth News Tribune)   Just what every flooded-out city hopes to see: A lawsuit from PETA   (duluthnewstribune.com) divider line 45
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2012-06-22 09:06:00 AM  
PETA: assholes in any situation.
 
2012-06-22 09:17:56 AM  
No kidding man. Almost a foot of rain in a few days, a failed culvert, and they're claiming negligence? By that argument anytime there's an explosion in a populated area the doctors are criminally negligent for allowing victims to die, for the heinous crime of not having any idea what was going to happen.
 
2012-06-22 09:18:07 AM  
Look, I think animals are almost always better than people, and it's really sad that these died during the flood but:

Three birds - a turkey vulture, a raven and a snowy owl - plus six sheep, four goats and a donkey are believed to have died as Kingsbury Creek overflowed

It's not like these are exotic or rare animals that died because they were thrust into a habitat they were unfamiliar with.
 
2012-06-22 10:59:01 AM  

what_now: It's not like these are exotic or rare animals that died because they were thrust into a habitat they were unfamiliar with.


Struck the part that doesn't apply, but I'm pretty sure "Underwater" satisfies the other part.
 
2012-06-22 11:33:48 AM  
So the next time a flash flood happens, let the PETA members carry out the lions, tigers, and bears (oh my!).
 
2012-06-22 12:05:48 PM  
its called an act of god. Don't be a douche about it peta.

in fact, peta, just stop, we're all sick of it.
 
2012-06-22 12:08:41 PM  
Sounds like the seals had a whale of a time, though.
 
2012-06-22 12:10:39 PM  

talulahgosh: PETA: assholes in any situation.


One and done!
 
2012-06-22 12:11:18 PM  
"At the very least, PETA would like to see the zoo put in standard emergency operating procedures into place," she said.

Stop making sense PETA!

"It's just a shame that this kind of tragedy was required for common sense to kick in. ... We would like to see a full investigation into this matter and we would like to see cruelty charges filed against those who failed these animal victims."

Ahhh, that's better.
 
2012-06-22 12:11:41 PM  

scottydoesntknow: So the next time a flash flood happens, let the PETA members carry out the lions, tigers, and bears (oh my!).


PETA hates zoos. They aren't protesting the actions of the zoo, they're trying to shut it down.

Now, the fact that SOME zoos have saved species from extinction doesn't register with these morons.
 
2012-06-22 12:12:15 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Sounds like the seals had a whale of a time, though.




nature is hilariously cruel
 
2012-06-22 12:12:52 PM  
How to win friends and influence people.

This is a little like the "Campaign to Win Hearts and Minds" the US Government did in Vietnam, that included dropping napalm and phosphorus incendiaries on thatch villages full of starving people or spraying their rice fields with Agent Orange, then sending the Army in to evacuate them, give them c-rations and calling it "rescue".
 
2012-06-22 12:15:20 PM  

what_now: It's not like these are exotic or rare animals that died because they were thrust into a habitat they were unfamiliar with.


Like the article said, the raven could have flow away; half the time in zoos large birds in captivity are the ones who are injured in some way and can't compete in the wild.

Now, loss of the animals IS sad, but I'd rescue a single Giraffe before I'd rescue six sheep, four goats, and a donkey. The latter are more replacable in the USA(exceptions exist if they're some special breed, but it'd have to be pretty special).

By the sounds of it, the Zoo DID have procedures, and managed to save the vast majority of it's stock. The seals could deal with some flooding just fine, as can adult polar bears. That the flooding was much worse than expected is what caused the escapes and deaths.
 
2012-06-22 12:17:26 PM  
FTFA: Three birds - a turkey vulture, a raven and a snowy owl... are believed to have died as Kingsbury Creek overflowed

Y'know, this could all have been avoided if the zoo decided to stock species that can fly.
 
2012-06-22 12:18:57 PM  
Deat PETA,

Fark you and the self-loathing you rode in on.

Signed,
Anyone with even a hint of rational thought left in their brains.
 
2012-06-22 12:22:06 PM  
PETA is not bringing charges, subtarder. PETA is just using a natural disaster with tragic losses as a soapbox to get some free publicity. The article says, the city attorney isn't inclined to proceed with any charges and it should end there. And where were these PETA disaster preparedness experts speaking from? Oh yeah, one was on the phone from Norfolk, Virginia and God only knows where Daphna Nachminovitch was calling from. Just wondering, did PETA ever denounce the NYPD's and FDNY's failure to protect or rescue any animals in either of the towers on September 11, 2001?
 
2012-06-22 12:24:22 PM  
Ironic justice would be served if some bath-salted fool ate Ingrid Newkirk.
 
2012-06-22 12:24:59 PM  
Wasn't Minnesota abolished two decades ago? Who let those knobs house animals, anyway?
 
2012-06-22 12:26:10 PM  
Maybe the zoo workers weren't too worried about the sheep when there was a polar bear loose in downtown Duluth.
 
2012-06-22 12:27:04 PM  
PETA are asshats but they seem to make a valid point. Perhaps a zoo should have emergency protocols to safeguard its animals.
 
2012-06-22 12:29:25 PM  
"It's difficult to imagine the terror that these animals experienced, having no way to escape as the water engulfed them," said Daphna Nachminovitch, PETA vice president of cruelty investigations.

I bet the seals had a great time
 
2012-06-22 12:30:14 PM  

Jayone: Maybe the zoo workers weren't too worried about the sheep when there was a polar bear loose in downtown Duluth.


Priorities, they had'em
 
2012-06-22 12:33:05 PM  
I'm pretty sure that the zoo did have emergency protocols in place. But their emergency protocols are probably more geared to "we lose power for a few weeks" or "we have a major snowstorm", etc., not "deities attempt to wipe us from the face of the earth". Also those safety protocols include when to NOT put human life in danger to save an animal.

Our hospital emergency procedure for fires includes only taking those animals that are ambulatory and along the evacuation route. We aren't letting people lose lives to save animals.
 
2012-06-22 12:34:10 PM  
Peta could teach a master class on how to troll.

The way I see it, it's good that Peta exists. They concentrate all the idiots in one place, and they make more moderate groups seem sane by comparison.
 
2012-06-22 12:37:26 PM  
I hope the zoo counter sues for enough money to shut the assclowns at PETA down and I'd gladly donate to the cause.
 
2012-06-22 12:44:46 PM  
After hearing about how many animals PETA has put down, I find them biatching about a six dead animals kind of ironic.

Also, when this was brought up, how many PETA members were there, how many were naked, were any in a shower?
 
2012-06-22 12:53:34 PM  
Hey PETA, instead of asking the city attorney to investigate and press charges, why don't you go up there and, you know, help out the animals left in the zoo by cleaning up and rebuilding their habitats.
 
2012-06-22 12:58:18 PM  
I live in Duluth, and we have never ever seen anything like this. The forecast was for maybe 2 inches of rain, we got 10 inches. Nobody saw this coming. By the way, the polar bear never made it out of the zoo grounds, just its exhibit.
 
2012-06-22 01:00:29 PM  
Ah, PETA, there you go, re-affirming my faith in the power of human idiocy.
 
2012-06-22 01:01:28 PM  
[imokwiththis.jpg]

If you're going to put animals in a position where they're literally helpless without you, then you put yourself in a position where you're responsible for whatever happens to them.
 
2012-06-22 01:05:57 PM  

fromthenorth: I live in Duluth, and we have never ever seen anything like this. The forecast was for maybe 2 inches of rain, we got 10 inches. Nobody saw this coming. By the way, the polar bear never made it out of the zoo grounds, just its exhibit.


I stand corrected. I heard something different.
 
2012-06-22 01:14:17 PM  
Maida said PETA's charges are "somewhat unfounded."

"Obviously, they were not here to experience it," he said. "Taking the zoo and isolating on it with all that went on in the counties around here with $100 million worth of damage in the area. I think taking it out of context is somewhat dangerous."


Somewhat? Jesus, get the hook and drag that idiot off the stage, he's killing your defense.
 
2012-06-22 01:20:41 PM  
They should sue God.
 
2012-06-22 01:23:39 PM  

Firethorn: what_now: It's not like these are exotic or rare animals that died because they were thrust into a habitat they were unfamiliar with.

Like the article said, the raven could have flow away; half the time in zoos large birds in captivity are the ones who are injured in some way and can't compete in the wild.

Now, loss of the animals IS sad, but I'd rescue a single Giraffe before I'd rescue six sheep, four goats, and a donkey. The latter are more replacable in the USA(exceptions exist if they're some special breed, but it'd have to be pretty special).

By the sounds of it, the Zoo DID have procedures, and managed to save the vast majority of it's stock. The seals could deal with some flooding just fine, as can adult polar bears. That the flooding was much worse than expected is what caused the escapes and deaths.


Maybe a Giraffe is in a better position than any other (land) animal in case of a flood...
 
2012-06-22 01:25:23 PM  
"Obviously, the flooding that occurred the other night is a sad series of events. No one likes to see animals at the zoo die."

Well, that's not true. PETA loves it. It allows them to be able to do crap like this. It need to raise money to pay the salaries of its people. Some day, they might even raise enough money to help animals.

/jk, more money would just mean more people to pay or pay more money to the same people.
 
2012-06-22 02:47:45 PM  

Great Janitor: After hearing about how many animals PETA has put down, I find them biatching about a six dead animals kind of ironic.

Also, when this was brought up, how many PETA members were there, how many were naked, were any in a shower?


i don't know, how many?
 
2012-06-22 02:54:02 PM  

namegoeshere: They should sue God.


eh, it's been done.
 
2012-06-22 03:03:27 PM  
FTFA:"It's difficult to imagine the terror that these animals experienced, having no way to escape as the water engulfed them," said Daphna Nachminovitch, PETA vice president of cruelty investigations.

Considering how, um, imaginative PETA can be, if one of their own can't imagine the terror that these animals suffered, maybe they didn't.
 
2012-06-22 03:35:17 PM  

Biness: in fact, peta, just stop, we're all sick of it.


Yeah, the article is stretching it by saying they have over 3 million supporters worldwide, I would be the number is around 300,000 now and thats just the crazy ones, peta has gone from rational protection of animals to putting an animal life ahead of human life so fark them.
 
2012-06-22 03:45:13 PM  

Splinshints: [imokwiththis.jpg]

If you're going to put animals in a position where they're literally helpless without you, then you put yourself in a position where you're responsible for whatever happens to them.


And when something happens that was unexpected and doesn't allow for you to save them, what then? If you were at a work conference in another state and an earthquake ripped open the ground under your house and dropped your family into the depths of the earth, should you be arrested for negligent manslaughter?
 
2012-06-22 04:52:03 PM  
PETA needs to change there name to PWAAW, because that's what they've become.

Peopre who are attention whores.
 
2012-06-22 05:05:24 PM  

cervier: Maybe a Giraffe is in a better position than any other (land) animal in case of a flood...


*Snerk* Good point. On the list of animals to leave, which to save, I was being generic - fire, flood, earthquake, rioters, doesn't matter. Perhaps lion would have been better, but I tend to see more lions in zoos than Giraffes. A Giraffe can have 1 baby every year or two. A lion can have a dozen in that time.

Still, even a Giraffe can get killed in a flood that's not over it's head - hypothermia, current knocks it off it's feet, exhaustion, contaminated water, lack of food, etc...

THX 1138: FTFA: Three birds - a turkey vulture, a raven and a snowy owl... are believed to have died as Kingsbury Creek overflowed

Y'know, this could all have been avoided if the zoo decided to stock species that can fly.


In many cases the birds in zoos, especially big ones like raptors and owls, are rescue birds that can't be rehabbed enough for release back into the wild. You get cases where you have a big beautiful hawk that had a wing injury 5 years ago that rendered it unable to fly, but the wing feathers have grown back so it's not visible. Or they were in cages where the water passed the highest roost, or the cages ended up destroyed in a way that trapped them.
 
2012-06-22 06:30:31 PM  
The PETA kills animals all the time. what's so special about zoos
 
2012-06-22 09:03:15 PM  

MAYORBOB: PETA is not bringing charges, subtarder. PETA is just using a natural disaster with tragic losses as a soapbox to get some free publicity. The article says, the city attorney isn't inclined to proceed with any charges and it should end there. And where were these PETA disaster preparedness experts speaking from? Oh yeah, one was on the phone from Norfolk, Virginia and God only knows where Daphna Nachminovitch was calling from. Just wondering, did PETA ever denounce the NYPD's and FDNY's failure to protect or rescue any animals in either of the towers on September 11, 2001?


I bet they would have if they'd thought of it in time.
 
2012-06-23 01:59:27 AM  
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Stay classy, PETA.
 
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