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2012-06-22 10:08:08 AM
Shaggy_C: Serious Black: Please. If there are Americans who outright worship and deify President Obama like the Republicans do with Ronald Reagan, I haven't met any of them.

The deification of Reagan came after several years of him being out of the limelight. The GOP had to spend a good chunk of time waiting for the fickle American people to forget his actual record so that they could trot out a fabricated memory of the Halcyon Days of the 1980s. Democrats started doing the same thing with Bill Clinton a couple years ago, too. I think if a party can get a two-time president into office, they take that as an epic win and have to keep the memory alive as a means of drumming up more support. You don't want to run away from a record of success.


That slays me. If anything, I've become more disappointed in Bill Clinton's performance as president given his transformation of welfare into a system that can't handle cataclysmic recessions like this past one and his laying the groundwork for the real estate bubble in the 2000's with GLB and CFMA.

That being said, I'm sure we're going to see a revisiting of the George W Bush presidency in a few years, extolling his bravery and bold decision-making in light of the terrorist menace that defined his presidency. We may even get the revisionist history that his tax cuts caused the "boom" of the 2000s while all mention of the subsequent crash will be placed at the feet of his successor. Oh, wait, we don't have to wait for that last part; it's already happening.

I think it was happening as soon as January 20, 2009. Didn't the last Gallup poll before Obama was inaugurated show 3 out of 4 Republicans approving of Bush's performance in office?
 
2012-06-22 10:08:18 AM
FirstNationalBastard: While it may be true that Obama is not the only solution to the problems facing the country, it is even more clear and true that the Republicans are not the solution to anything other than the question "who wants to destroy the country and drive us back into the dark ages because they are selfish children who only want their team to win no matter the cost? Also, Because Jesus."

This.
 
2012-06-22 10:08:28 AM
Gulper Eel: Mentat: you're an idiot for voting with the current Republican Party.

I don't care a bit for either party's policies, but absent a viable third party I support what's most likely to cause gridlock.

When I hear the expression "bipartisanship" I think "fark me, the roaches and the rats have teamed up to ravage my apartment."


And yet it seems only the Republicans are striving to actually do anything detrimental to you.

/anyone else think of 'joe's apartment'?
//BSABSVR
 
2012-06-22 10:08:50 AM
When you consider what's on the other side of the stage...yeah, he is the only reasonable choice. And yes, assuming you're not a billionaire, you are probably a racist if you really believe otherwise.
 
2012-06-22 10:08:50 AM
Chariset: As opposed to, you know: No God-fearing, country-loving person could reasonably oppose Bush. He is our one and only solution. If you think otherwise, it is a pity that you are an amoral traitor.

Yes, pity that. Now I'm off to fark your daughter, because amoral traitors are edgy, cool, and just the thing to piss off daddy this year.
 
2012-06-22 10:09:15 AM
Arkanaut: If you think otherwise, it is a pity that you are probably a racist, selfish

...a racist, selfish what?


This just in:

www.myfacewhen.net

In newspaper headlines, a comma can be used to mean "and".
 
2012-06-22 10:10:39 AM
So vote for Romney, then he can lower his taxes and raise yours!
 
2012-06-22 10:10:47 AM
Obama is the only sane choice because everyone the GOP has fronted this time around is insane.

/Lesser of two evils
 
2012-06-22 10:10:54 AM
The first rule of being a moderate is: you do not tal your opponents are not malicious.
The second rule of being a moderate is: your opponents are aware of is going on around them.
The third rule of being a moderate is: your opponents think.

It is not possible to be a moderate for long without following these three rules. Your own biases and thought processes will get in the way, pushing you further along which ever direction you happen to lean, if you forget these. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does require some awareness, an acknowledgment that you have in fact taken a side.
 
2012-06-22 10:11:37 AM
Shaggy_C: Arkanaut: If you think otherwise, it is a pity that you are probably a racist, selfish

...a racist, selfish what?

This just in:

[www.myfacewhen.net image 170x128]

In newspaper headlines, a comma can be used to mean "and".


Don't blame him - we have to import those commas from Oxford on special order. Most common folk only see them when rich people drive by them on the highway.
 
2012-06-22 10:12:06 AM
Oppose Obama is not the same thing as allow Romney to win.

I "oppose" Obama on a lot of issues. If someone better was running, I'd vote for him. But his opponent is worse. Much worse in a great deal of ways.
 
2012-06-22 10:12:20 AM
jayhawk88: When you consider what's on the other side of the stage...yeah, he is the only reasonable choice. And yes, assuming you're not a billionaire, you are probably a racist if you really believe otherwise.

I wouldn't say racist, I mean, there are... okay, take my parents, for exam... but then if you think about the poor people in the South that just want...

Okay, nevermind.
 
2012-06-22 10:12:24 AM
Serious Black: I think it was happening as soon as January 20, 2009. Didn't the last Gallup poll before Obama was inaugurated show 3 out of 4 Republicans approving of Bush's performance in office?

Self-identified Republicans make up, what, 35% of the population? Given that Bush's approval rating sat at around 26% for the last year of his presidency (remember the "26%er" epithet around here? Good times.), the 3/4 number doesn't surprise me at all. It's not like independents or Democrats were in that 26%er group.
 
2012-06-22 10:12:28 AM
MyRandomName: I mean, why look at a future 10 years down the road. It's not myopic to not notice Medicare spending is growing at 5% a year while gdp grows at 2%, that will never be a problem!

Romney plans to increase defense spending to 4% of GDP. That's $8T over the next 10 years. All while he reduces revenues $5T over the same time period.

But you guys are totally the fiscal conservatives. Totally.
 
2012-06-22 10:14:12 AM
Rubio was on NPR last night, and he said something enlightening. He claimed that his Republican conversion was due to strong beliefs in the free-market, and that he "believed" tax cuts stimulate the economy. Unfortunately, he wasn't pressed on the point, because I'm sure that if shown evidence that they are less effective than other forms of government action (including SNAP/food stamps and infrastructure spending), he would insist that he still "believed" it.

Republicanism is the tin foil hat capitalists wear to keep evidence out of their brainwaves.
 
2012-06-22 10:14:27 AM
Antimatter: I'll take Obama over the sociopaths of the GOP any day of the week. Why should we reward the GOP with the white house when they offer no clear plans of their own, no leadership, and have actively blocked any attempts to make things better over the last four years?

They are terrorists, nothing more.


The Democrats' message is simple: No thoughtful person could reasonably oppose Obama. He is our one and only solution. If you think otherwise, it is a pity that you are probably a racist, selfish terrorist, nothing more.
 
2012-06-22 10:14:48 AM
EighthDay: Shaggy_C: Thoughtful people understand that both sides are bad and support Obama only as a lesser of two evils. In an ideal world, his glad-handing, neoliberal, warmongering ass would be a part of some fringe third party that people would look at with disdain (not as much so as the Republicans, of course, who would be treated like the protofascists they are).

You know, I don't always agree with you, but this post is pretty spot-on.


No, it isn't. Go stand in the corner.
 
2012-06-22 10:15:47 AM
MyRandomName: Even Democrats crying out for Keynes is a Damn joke. Not once have they asked for reduced spending in good times, a critical part of his theory.

So long as you ignore the 1950's when Truman aggressively demobilized the military to pay off America's war debts. And the 90's when Clinton left us a budget surplus. But other than that, totally.
 
2012-06-22 10:16:38 AM
vernonFL: You know, a LOT of Democrats and Independents don't particularly LOVE Obama and disagree with him on numerous issues, and think he could be doing much better, etc....

That being said, voting for Romney and the Republicans in Congress is NOT an option.

Obama may be mediocre, but Romney and ESPECIALLY the Republicans in Congress are an absolute disaster.


SO VOTE THIRD PARTY RONPAUL AND SUCH AS

Two different idiots* I know on FB have one of those someecards graphics up: "If Obama and Romney are so different, how come Goldman Sachs is funding both their campaigns?"

Uh, because Goldman Sachs has its own interests at heart, and would donate to RONPAUL if he'd won any delegates? Because every Fortune 500 company has donated to both campaigns? AND, speaking of - are we talking GS as a corporate entity, or GS employees?

* one of those idiots is dating my cousin, and is a pretty sharp guy otherwise. We had a good talk last Thanksgiving about RONPAUL, electability and just why the media "ignores" him. He's still a Paulite in principle, but at least he's willing to listen to reason.
 
2012-06-22 10:17:39 AM
The Republicans' message is simple: We tell you that the Democrats' message is smug, sneering librulizm, and you get angry and vote Republican.
 
2012-06-22 10:17:46 AM
Who knows? Congress hasn't let him do shiat. If he's going to fail, I'd rather it be because we implemented his policies and they didn't work, not because we never had a chance to try them.
 
2012-06-22 10:18:00 AM
MyRandomName: It takes too much thought to notice the unsustainable growth of entitlements and debt interest. I mean, why look at a future 10 years down the road. It's not myopic to not notice Medicare spending is growing at 5% a year while gdp grows at 2%, that will never be a problem! 100% debt to gdp ratio? Pffft. Just because historically a ratio that big aligned with 2% gdp growth compared to the average of 3%...

Only one party is actually looking at the numbers and telling people there is a problem looming, and it is not the democrats. All democrats are doing is paving the road to hell with short sighted entitlement spending. It is not thoughtful, it is bribery.

The united states will survive until the day congress discovers it can bribe the people with its own money.

Even Democrats crying out for Keynes is a Damn joke. Not once have they asked for reduced spending in good times, a critical part of his theory. Sorry, democrats are nothing more than myopic morons with huge wish lists. When one analyzes projected growth and realizes we are on an unsustainable path, come get me. Not one is willing to put their career in danger by addressing the obvious.


You're right, Obama's "just get rid of MC Advantage" approach is a drop in the bucket and won't solve the problem. But Ryan's "privatize 10 years from now" breaks the social contract, betrays one generation of workers while coddling another, doubles down on the discredited premise of MC Advantage, and doesn't actually save money any time soon.

The real solution is to increase Medicare premiums. The premiums are deeply discounted today. The discount seniors receive, from age 65 until death, is typically 3-4 times what they paid in while they worked. Of course, some seniors wouldn't be able to afford having their discount reduced. So then we add a new welfare program for poor seniors only. Even with the new welfare program, you'd save the government skads of money this way.

But no one wants to talk about this solution because it's complicated and it hurts. Even though it only hurts those who can afford it.

The best part about increasing Medicare premiums is you can do it tomorrow. You don't have to slowly roll it out or make promises about how "If you're over 55 this won't affect you" and then wait 10 years for the budget impact.
 
2012-06-22 10:18:16 AM
Mentat: MyRandomName: Even Democrats crying out for Keynes is a Damn joke. Not once have they asked for reduced spending in good times, a critical part of his theory.

So long as you ignore the 1950's when Truman aggressively demobilized the military to pay off America's war debts. And the 90's when Clinton left us a budget surplus. But other than that, totally.


It also helps to ignore how much more govt spending increases under Republican presidents than Democratic.
 
2012-06-22 10:18:21 AM
Considering the other option is a guy whose economic team worked for Bush II, Obama is the obvious choice.

Progress is better than regress.
 
2012-06-22 10:18:37 AM
Mentat: MyRandomName: Even Democrats crying out for Keynes is a Damn joke. Not once have they asked for reduced spending in good times, a critical part of his theory.

So long as you ignore the 1950's when Truman aggressively demobilized the military to pay off America's war debts. And the 90's when Clinton left us a budget surplus. But other than that, totally.



1940's, that is.
 
2012-06-22 10:18:40 AM
Serious Black: liberal oasis in Kansas

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2012-06-22 10:18:50 AM
www.openwebdesign.org
You...You don't switch horses midstream.
 
2012-06-22 10:19:55 AM
Saborlas: No, it isn't. Go stand in the corner.

So vote Republican?
 
2012-06-22 10:20:23 AM
Gulper Eel: Mentat: you're an idiot for voting with the current Republican Party.

I don't care a bit for either party's policies, but absent a viable third party I support what's most likely to cause gridlock.

When I hear the expression "bipartisanship" I think "fark me, the roaches and the rats have teamed up to ravage my apartment."


You'll probably want to vote for Obama, then; Romney in the White House means Republican President plus Republican Congress, which will be most assuredly not gridlocked.
 
2012-06-22 10:20:33 AM
And the Romney message is I might be a smug Mormon who pays minimal taxes but at least I am not a black guy.
 
2012-06-22 10:21:06 AM
Shaggy_C: Arkanaut: If you think otherwise, it is a pity that you are probably a racist, selfish

...a racist, selfish what?

This just in:

[www.myfacewhen.net image 170x128]

In newspaper headlines, a comma can be used to mean "and".


Right, because Fark headlines face the same restrictions as newspaper headlines.
 
2012-06-22 10:21:59 AM
rufus-t-firefly: Considering the other option is a guy whose economic team worked for Bush II, Obama is the obvious choice.

Progress is better than regress.


Economic team and foreign policy team. I think it shows that the Republican establishment wasn't disappointed by the Bush presidency at all; from their perspective it was a smashing success. That's the only explanation for why these people are still taken seriously.
 
2012-06-22 10:22:00 AM
qorkfiend: You'll probably want to vote for Obama, then; Romney in the White House means Republican President plus Republican Congress, which will be most assuredly not gridlocked.

And more conservative Supreme Court justices
 
2012-06-22 10:22:17 AM
Epoch_Zero: And yet it seems only the Republicans are striving to actually do anything detrimental to you.

I'm a lifelong New Yorker - believe me, I've seen Democrats' idea of help. It's the same shiat sandwich, only it's on nine-grain artisanal bread instead of Wonder.
 
2012-06-22 10:22:41 AM
Nice straw man.
 
2012-06-22 10:23:56 AM
qorkfiend: You'll probably want to vote for Obama, then; Romney in the White House means Republican President plus Republican Congress, which will be most assuredly not gridlocked.

That assumes the Democrats have really clusterfarked their Senate majority.

My state's not in play anyway, so I'm voting for Johnson.
 
2012-06-22 10:23:59 AM
Meanwhile at GOP campaign headquarters:
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WHARRGARBLL- VOTE FOR US OR WE'RE ALL F**KIN' DEAD!!! - WHARRGARBLL!!!!
 
2012-06-22 10:24:08 AM
Antimatter: They are terrorists, nothing more.

Only Muslims are terrorists.
 
2012-06-22 10:24:23 AM
DirkValentine: Serious Black: liberal oasis in Kansas

wtfamireading.jpg


Lawrence is actually a ridiculously liberal town and a pretty nice place to live.
 
2012-06-22 10:25:00 AM
Arkanaut: Right, because Fark headlines face the same restrictions as newspaper headlines.

There is a word limit to Fark headlines. Also, excessively long headlines are less likely to be greenlit. We can both agree subby was trolling to get some responses, but there's no need to be so petty about using a bit of shorthand. The intended meaning comes through perfectly clear, much along the lines of "China, Japan agree to trade agreement".
 
2012-06-22 10:25:24 AM
Corporate Self: Obama is the only sane choice because everyone the GOP has fronted this time around is insane.

/Lesser of two evils


There is a difference between insanity and everything else wrong with the GOP.

Bat-shiat crazy

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Sociopath:

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Publicity whore:

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Naive. bigoted, and idealistic:

abcnews.go.com


In waaaaaay over his head

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Available to the highest bidder:

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I mean, really and truly, the only crazy person is Bachmann. The others have... shall we say... other issues.
 
2012-06-22 10:25:58 AM
jayhawk88: When you consider what's on the other side of the stage...yeah, he is the only reasonable choice. And yes, assuming you're not a billionaire, you are probably a racist if you really believe otherwise.

Are you called "Wesley Mouch" with any frequency?
 
2012-06-22 10:26:56 AM
Gulper Eel: qorkfiend: You'll probably want to vote for Obama, then; Romney in the White House means Republican President plus Republican Congress, which will be most assuredly not gridlocked.

That assumes the Democrats have really clusterfarked their Senate majority.

My state's not in play anyway, so I'm voting for Johnson.


The Republicans could go nuclear on the filibuster (NTTAWWT) or use budget reconciliation for everything.
 
2012-06-22 10:27:48 AM
LeoffDaGrate: BillCo: It's not like he is trying to cover up a murder or anything.....

Oh wait, never mind.

OK, I know what you're talking about, but I want to read how you explain it. So I'll bite...

What murder is he covering up?


do you really think he's going to answer you?
 
2012-06-22 10:28:04 AM
theknuckler_33: Nice straw man.

Its all the Republicans have. Lies and distortions.

One example: I just heard Romney say that Obama had huge majorities in Congress for 2 years and did nothing about immigration.

The truth is that he did NOT have huge majorities in Congress for 2 years, and it was the Republicans who blocked any and all efforts at reforming immigration.
 
2012-06-22 10:28:28 AM
Gulper Eel: Epoch_Zero: And yet it seems only the Republicans are striving to actually do anything detrimental to you.

I'm a lifelong New Yorker - believe me, I've seen Democrats' idea of help. It's the same shiat sandwich, only it's on nine-grain artisanal bread instead of Wonder.


I'm a lifelong New Yorker and I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2012-06-22 10:29:11 AM
I think it's a shame that Obama is the only viable option for this country, because Keynesian economics have produced about the kind of recovery you'd expect them to, and I don't expect Obama to change his economic philosophy now. Furthermore, given that the disaster that befell the economy in 2008 is still fresh, you would think one of the major parties would propose some kind of legislation that would prevent something like that from happening again (like making derivatives be required to be regulated, or reinstituting Glass Steagall). Unfortunately, the modern Republican is preoccupied with nonsense, and I can't see how anyone in good conscience could support them
 
2012-06-22 10:31:40 AM
Mixolydian Master: [www.openwebdesign.org image 640x331]
You...You don't switch horses midstream.


That was from way back when you weren't supposed to disagree with the President during a time of war, and you were either with him or with the terrorists. Reagan proved that deficits don't matter back then, and no amount of spending was too much in order to keep America safe from its enemies. An entirely new and completely redundant federal department was created and the number of public employees skyrocketed.

Then, on January 20, 2009, something mysterious happened that nobody has quite been able to pin down. Whatever it was, it changed everything. Descent became the highest form of patriotic, the President was a terrorist (and Hitler, and Stalin, and Mao, and a radical Muslim, and an atheist, and a time-traveling fraud). The deficit became more important than any other issue and it became our sworn duty to fight it by giving more money to the rich and taxing the middle class. Spending on anything, including food stamps for the starving or preventative cancer screenings that would save millions of dollars and many lives, had to be slashed.

Nobody knows what it was that happened on that day, but we're 100% positive it had nothing to do with the party affiliation or the skin color of the guy in the White House.
 
2012-06-22 10:31:42 AM
tooeasy: I think it's a shame that Obama is the only viable option for this country, because Keynesian economics have produced about the kind of recovery you'd expect them to,

You have no idea what Keynsian economics is, or whether it's been implemented.
 
2012-06-22 10:31:52 AM
tooeasy: I think it's a shame that Obama is the only viable option for this country, because Keynesian economics have produced about the kind of recovery you'd expect them to, and I don't expect Obama to change his economic philosophy now. Furthermore, given that the disaster that befell the economy in 2008 is still fresh, you would think one of the major parties would propose some kind of legislation that would prevent something like that from happening again (like making derivatives be required to be regulated, or reinstituting Glass Steagall). Unfortunately, the modern Republican is preoccupied with nonsense, and I can't see how anyone in good conscience could support them

when it comes to the economy, I only half blame Obama. the Republicans are desperate to tank his administration and they've done everything they can to disrupt any sort of recovery. they NEED to make Obama look bad, and if that means destroying our economic recovery in the process well then...so be it.
 
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