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(Pro Football Talk)   Two there are, a master and an apprentice. Only this time, the master is the quarterback, and the apprentice is his QB coach, who is younger than him   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 18
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2012-06-22 12:06:06 PM  
Yes, Manning is two years and five days older than his first-line boss, who didn't play football at the college or NFL level. And so Gase is getting an education from Peyton.


I know there's the adage of "those who can, do, those who can't, become Fark Mods teach", but...the notion of teams adding these kinds of folks seems like a kind of Cold War / escalation mindset. "Welp, that team has a QB coach, and a WR coach, and a RB coach, and TE coach, and an Offensive Quality Control Coahc, and a Practice Monitor Coach, and a Offensive Line Quality Control coach, so.....uh......well dammit, we need all those too!"

or you go the Shanahan route and hire your son. or the Bidwill route and hire i think two of your sons to run the team.

but the notion of a guy who never played college ball coaching one of the all time great QBs is laughable.
 
2012-06-22 12:08:15 PM  
How does one become a QB Coach or any type of coach, with no football experience?
Wouldn't that be a least a minor requirement to even land a college level job? Or would coaching little leauge help?

/or is this a 'it's who you know, not what you know' type of thing.
//Either way, hope this kid keeps his ears open and acts like a sponge, am sure Peyton has alot to teach.
 
2012-06-22 12:10:33 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: am sure Peyton has alot to teach.



Manning's skill as a teacher are second to none. I mean, look at all the success we had after soaking up all his lessons.

signed,
Dan Orlovsky
Curtis Painter
Jim Sorgi
 
2012-06-22 12:32:09 PM  

rickythepenguin: Unoriginal_Username: am sure Peyton has alot to teach.


Manning's skill as a teacher are second to none. I mean, look at all the success we had after soaking up all his lessons.

signed,
Dan Orlovsky
Curtis Painter
Jim Sorgi


Could be he looks at a coach differently then he looks at possible competion? Not saying I'm correct, but it's possible.
 
2012-06-22 12:33:19 PM  
Can someone explain to me how a team that is GM'd by one of the greatest QBs of all time, and the starting QB is one of the greatest QBs of all time, have a QB coach that hasn't even played football on the college level? How did he get this job?
 
2012-06-22 12:39:29 PM  

rickythepenguin: Unoriginal_Username: am sure Peyton has alot to teach.


Manning's skill as a teacher are second to none. I mean, look at all the success we had after soaking up all his lessons.

signed,
Dan Orlovsky
Curtis Painter
Jim Sorgi


I don't think Peyton's ability or lack thereof to teach has anything to do with any of those guys being bums.
 
2012-06-22 01:17:31 PM  
One bad neck crinkle and it's the start of the Caleb Hanie era in Denver.
 
2012-06-22 01:43:23 PM  

MattyFridays: Can someone explain to me how a team that is GM'd by one of the greatest QBs of all time, and the starting QB is one of the greatest QBs of all time, have a QB coach that hasn't even played football on the college level? How did he get this job?


I read through his profile and he's been coaching in the NFL for 8 years and goes all the way back to being a student assistant for Michigan State in the mid 90's.

There are tons of coaches and executives across the major sports that have never played the game at the college level.
 
2012-06-22 01:54:42 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: How does one become a QB Coach or any type of coach, with no football experience?
Wouldn't that be a least a minor requirement to even land a college level job? Or would coaching little leauge help?


People take a lot of different directions to get into coaching. I remember that Mangini got into coaching because Bellicheck (with the Browns at the time) saw him working hard as a ball boy and let him have a PR position, and later made him a film assistant. So more than anything it's about showing work ethic, showing that you have a mind for schemes and happening to get noticed.

/Though Mangini did play Div III, according to wiki
//Also says he managed a semi-pro football team in Australia while in college to two titles... I'm not sure this is accurate
 
2012-06-22 02:14:45 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: rickythepenguin: Unoriginal_Username: am sure Peyton has alot to teach.


Manning's skill as a teacher are second to none. I mean, look at all the success we had after soaking up all his lessons.

signed,
Dan Orlovsky
Curtis Painter
Jim Sorgi

Could be he looks at a coach differently then he looks at possible competion? Not saying I'm correct, but it's possible.


I think that Peyton, like most of the supremely gifted, would not be a good coach, because they have no idea what is to not be able to do something. Picture, say, Pete Sampras as a coach. "So now I want you to shoot a 120MPH 2nd serve that paints the T, with so much spin it will rival Fox news - like this" *BOOM*. Student: *pop*. Sampras: "No, no, like THIS: " *BOOM*. Student: *POP*. Sampras: "Are you even listening to me? Look:" *BOOM*, *BOOM*, *BOOM*. Sudent: "fark this shiat!" and throws racquet away in disgust.

Not saying that they didn't work hard as hell to be where they are (history is littered with supremely talented guys that didn't amount to anything because they didn't have the drive or discipline to put in the hard work), but their brilliance can be a hindrance when it comes to teaching.
 
2012-06-22 02:24:59 PM  
If I was coaching him, and was that young, I'd be picking Manning's brain every chance I got.
 
2012-06-22 02:47:15 PM  

germ78: One bad neck crinkle and it's the start of the Caleb Hanie brock osweiler era in Denver.


word is #7 is a big fan
 
2012-06-22 03:39:34 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: How does one become a QB Coach or any type of coach, with no football experience?


In reality, or in all fairness, as the two often have nothing to do with each other? FWIW, in my experience "those who can't, teach" is a myth propagated by egomaniancs who can do neither. If anything, most institutions outside K-12 education preferentially hire "doers" (or, in the case of consultants, idiots who pose as doers) with disastrous results because they lack teaching skills. This shouldn't take any confirmation beyond stories of that professor.

If you're limiting your candidates to a bunch of people who played ball when the physical demands of the job are on par with a burger-flipper, you're ruling out a lot of potential candidates for a particularly irrelevant reason. Now, I'm not saying you should go out and hire anybody; you do need some very good analytical skills but that has little to do with Combine drills. What if you come across a friggin' football genius who was born without legs?

In reality, though, for all I know this was just a nepotistic hire.
 
2012-06-22 03:43:37 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: rickythepenguin: Unoriginal_Username: am sure Peyton has alot to teach.


Manning's skill as a teacher are second to none. I mean, look at all the success we had after soaking up all his lessons.

signed,
Dan Orlovsky
Curtis Painter
Jim Sorgi

Could be he looks at a coach differently then he looks at possible competion? Not saying I'm correct, but it's possible.


I'm sure that, under Peyton's tutelage, Adam Gase will have a career-best QB coaching season.
 
2012-06-22 04:12:32 PM  
FWIW, I decided to not be too lazy on a friday, if you can count farking at work as not lazy, and
found this.

So answers my own question and proves I need to not be lazy before asking them.

/oh well it's friday and that's my story
 
2012-06-22 05:26:14 PM  
So, what is it about playing a position at the college level that makes you a better coach than someone who only has coached collegiate players and NFL players for nearly a decade?

/I can't believe people still buy this crap about how you have to have played at a high level to be a good coach
//sometimes you need it if you have players that don't want to listen, but if you have grownups on your team, it's not an issue
 
2012-06-22 08:58:18 PM  
 
2012-06-22 10:17:25 PM  
I'm still pissed that management traded away one of the best young quarterbacks in the past 5 years for a broken, aging guy who will never get another team even close to the playoffs.

But if they just change Manning's job from quarterback to quarterback coach, I'd be thrilled. He has a lot of experience and wisdom that he could pass on to someone who is actually physically capable of playing the game.
 
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