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(BBC)   Q: How can we make the nicely portable 3DS better. A: Make it bigger and less portable so now you need a rucksack rather than your pocket. This is why doing product research in America is bad   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 56
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2012-06-22 10:04:59 AM
Longer battery life is good...
 
2012-06-22 10:26:18 AM
Pretty amazing that they forgot to include the second analog stick on this version.
 
2012-06-22 10:32:04 AM
They did something like this with the DS too: a larger model for people whose eyesight and dexterity don't lend themselves well to using the smaller one.

I can't really say I see a problem with this. In the general sense, portability (a function not just of size but also of battery life) is extremely important to portable gaming: more so than any of Nintendo's competitors in the portable space have ever given it credit for. But for someone who can't use the device at all under normal conditions, an alternative that subordinates portability to accessibility is a good thing.
 
2012-06-22 10:32:57 AM
Longer battery life, actual buttons on the home row, and a better form factor. Why couldn't they just put this in the main 3DS? Given the lifecycle of the DS, I suppose I just have to wait a few more months (and then they'll add the second analog disc).
 
2012-06-22 10:33:02 AM
I know I'm not the only one who was waiting for the XL version of the 3DS.
 
2012-06-22 10:37:58 AM

Warrener: Pretty amazing that they forgot to include the second analog stick on this version.


Exactly this. "Hey, you know that add-on that should have been part of the original system, and was hated almost universally? Well, we made a bigger one for you."
 
2012-06-22 10:40:37 AM
Don't blame us for that. We don't know what a rucksack is.
 
2012-06-22 10:55:48 AM
I want to meet the BMW executive who said "You know what's wrong with the Mini? It's too farking small.
 
2012-06-22 10:58:48 AM
Here is the issue. I'm 6'3''. I have huge farking microsoft xbox hands. I can't play the DC cause it cramps my hands - I'm a guitarist, it isn't like my fingers aren't nimble, I just can't contort for long periods and hold the damn thing. Heck, the new PSP has been looking nice since it fits comfortably in my hands. I might actually get something this large.
 
2012-06-22 11:00:06 AM
How is this the fault of Americans? Don't they have enough to feel sorry for without you making up shiat to blame on them douchemitter?
 
2012-06-22 11:02:56 AM

Station: Here is the issue. I'm 6'3''. I have huge farking microsoft xbox hands. I can't play the DC cause it cramps my hands - I'm a guitarist, it isn't like my fingers aren't nimble, I just can't contort for long periods and hold the damn thing. Heck, the new PSP has been looking nice since it fits comfortably in my hands. I might actually get something this large.


count me up for somebody who wants the XL just to avoid cramps

hell i might buy one of these for the vita despite it already being decently sized
 
2012-06-22 11:03:47 AM
I had a DSi XL - it was really nice to have a larger screen and it fit better in my non-Japanese child hands.

There's really no downside, it's not like it's a required update, nor is it replacing the 3DS - so if you don't want, you can still get the original 3DS.

While they could have put the second stick in this, I think they opted not to mainly so that all the systems are even - this is not meant to be a required upgrade. Plus, they can now sell the Add-On Stick XL(tm). That being said, the 3Ds should have had two sticks from the start, imo.
 
2012-06-22 11:04:26 AM

Hollie Maea: I want to meet the BMW executive who said "You know what's wrong with the Mini? It's too farking small.


Repeat for the

Countryman "You know whats wrong with the Mini? It doesn't look like an off roader and it doesn't have 4WD"
Coupe "You know whats wrong with the Mini? It doesn't look like an errant urban youth with his baseball cap back to front enough"

However...the Rocketman, I do LIKE...it's small, it's what a mini should be!

Now if only BMW would actually pay to make the things properly, rather than having all the exhaust backboxes rust out within 3 years, and fitted it with a gearbox that didn't explode...it's be a great car.

Anyway, back to the 3DS, I just always saw it going the other way..I remember being mightily annoyed when I had a first gen DS, only for them to release the more pocketable 2nd gen version.

Hence why i subbed this article :)

/awaits abuse from fellow farkers.
 
2012-06-22 11:07:05 AM
Fat kids have bigger pockets. They are actually doing some solid US market research.
 
2012-06-22 11:08:03 AM

Egoy3k: How is this the fault of Americans? Don't they have enough to feel sorry for without you making up shiat to blame on them douchemitter?


Because the natural ability of Americans is not to do any original or creative thinking...just to MAKE SHIAT BIGGER, Hey thar how can we make this mustang go faster, i know lets make it a 6 liter V8 instead of a 4 liter (as you would say) the new 3DS probably never even saw an American focus group, but it's called "writing a humorous headline"

yours

Douchemitter

/stop being butthurt because you didn't get a greenlight.
 
2012-06-22 11:08:31 AM
Hate to be the person to go there, especially as a Vita owner... but a grown man in his 30's holding a bright candy blue DS or 3DS in their hands looks excessively goofy. It just looks designed for kids and looks really wrong in adult hands.

/ain't saying I'm much better, but still...
 
2012-06-22 11:15:03 AM

quiotu: Hate to be the person to go there, especially as a Vita owner... but a grown man in his 30's holding a bright candy blue DS or 3DS in their hands looks excessively goofy. It just looks designed for kids and looks really wrong in adult hands.

/ain't saying I'm much better, but still...


All people look pretty goofy fixated on a small glowing tricket in their hands. No matter how cool and trendy marketers will make you believe it is. You are right though that the 3DS' popping colors are a little more "child-like" than a Vita or iDevice.
 
2012-06-22 11:17:52 AM

quiotu: Hate to be the person to go there, especially as a Vita owner... but a grown man in his 30's holding a bright candy blue DS or 3DS in their hands looks excessively goofy. It just looks designed for kids and looks really wrong in adult hands.

/ain't saying I'm much better, but still...


How about a black one?
 
2012-06-22 11:18:31 AM
Now that I'm used to the wonders of a bigger screen (Galaxy Nexus), my DSi is harder to play because my hands feel cramped. This new version of the 3DS will give me a reason to upgrade.

/street fighter online on the go? I'm sold.
 
2012-06-22 11:22:00 AM

wildstarr: quiotu: Hate to be the person to go there, especially as a Vita owner... but a grown man in his 30's holding a bright candy blue DS or 3DS in their hands looks excessively goofy. It just looks designed for kids and looks really wrong in adult hands.

/ain't saying I'm much better, but still...

How about a black one?


I put mine in a black aluminum shell. It looks cool and would survive being used as a projectile.

i.ebayimg.com

Too bad there's only 5 good games or so. The downloadables help a lot.
 
2012-06-22 11:23:42 AM

Millennium: They did something like this with the DS too: a larger model for people whose eyesight and dexterity don't lend themselves well to using the smaller one.

I can't really say I see a problem with this.


No kidding. As long as they continue to offer both models for sale, how is this a problem for anybody?
 
2012-06-22 11:23:50 AM
The DSi XL was godly for lounging around the house, so this will be more of the same. And it's not like the original 3DS is going out of production for those who actually take their portables outside.
 
2012-06-22 11:24:34 AM
1) WTF is a rucksack?

2) Larger size isn't so bad if it improves the 3DS's poor battery life.
 
2012-06-22 11:25:08 AM
Is the resolution of the screen (and thus the games) still going to be 320x280?

If so, color me as not caring.
 
2012-06-22 11:28:00 AM
Wasn't the 3DS a huge flop?
 
2012-06-22 11:31:09 AM

Warrener: Pretty amazing that they forgot to include the second analog stick on this version.


I submitted this story with a quip about how they released an add on after realizing the requirement for a second stick in modern gaming on the previous 3DS and yet again left it off this model ! The story is the stick, not the size, the 3DS is too small for my hands to comfortably hit the top buttons
 
2012-06-22 11:33:35 AM

Hand Banana: Wasn't the 3DS a huge flop?


Not since the price drop and Mario Kart/Mario Land 3D, which arrived last year. Now the 3DS sales are outpacing the DS, which is Nintendo's most successful handheld by far.
 
2012-06-22 11:35:06 AM

Hand Banana: Wasn't the 3DS a huge flop?


It's selling at a faster pace than the original DS, which was one of the best-selling video game systems of all time.

Both in the US:

www.blogcdn.com

And in Japan:

brutalgamer.com
 
2012-06-22 11:47:46 AM

imashark: Is the resolution of the screen (and thus the games) still going to be 320x280?

If so, color me as not caring.


A marginally sharper picture does not improve games.
 
2012-06-22 11:51:14 AM
Meh, I already have my 3DS and I love it. I'll wait for the final redesign to see if I'll upgrade at all. My biggest concern is the screen scratching issue of the system and, just looking at this thing, it doesn't look like it fixes that at all.
 
2012-06-22 12:03:34 PM

Doc Daneeka: Hand Banana: Wasn't the 3DS a huge flop?

It's selling at a faster pace than the original DS, which was one of the best-selling video game systems of all time.

Both in the US:

[www.blogcdn.com image 530x350]

And in Japan:

[brutalgamer.com image 640x400]


the price drop did wonders for it. Till then, it was indeed underselling the under platforms. Sony has the same problem now with the vita. Technology wise, and games wise, it's quite impressive. It just costs too much up front between the console and memory card.

A lot of folks want a price drop on it, and are holding out till they get one.
 
2012-06-22 12:05:36 PM

Millennium: imashark: Is the resolution of the screen (and thus the games) still going to be 320x280?

If so, color me as not caring.

A marginally sharper picture does not improve games.


Actually, it can. Allows for richer detail, less jaggies, and more screen area for different things. It's like using 8mm versus 35 mm film.
 
2012-06-22 12:13:46 PM

quiotu: Hate to be the person to go there, especially as a Vita owner... but a grown man in his 30's holding a bright candy blue DS or 3DS in their hands looks excessively goofy. It just looks designed for kids and looks really wrong in adult hands.

/ain't saying I'm much better, but still...


I have the aqua 3DS, pretty satisfied with it but this new thing is probably too big for my taste.

That said, you have your face buried in a gameboy no matter what it looks like. At some point you just gotta ask yourself how much you care about strangers judging you or whatever. If I was playing mine on the bus and someone said something about it, I'd honestly probably just laugh at them in their face, as if Angry Birds on your phone is somehow more acceptable.

But I'm planning on playing gameboys and games until arthritis stops me, so I'm not a great example there.
 
2012-06-22 12:14:48 PM

Antimatter: the price drop did wonders for it. Till then, it was indeed underselling the under platforms. Sony has the same problem now with the vita. Technology wise, and games wise, it's quite impressive. It just costs too much up front between the console and memory card.


The 3DS was never selling as poorly as the Vita is now. The problem is that it's unlikely Sony can afford a price drop, and it's hard to see where the system-selling software will come from now that the supposedly big titles like "Uncharted" have come and gone.
 
2012-06-22 12:20:43 PM
It reminds me of what Atari did with the Lynx and NEC did with the TG-16. Despite the small hardware footprint, their focus groups showed people wanted a bigger system. So, they made unnecessarily large, mostly empty shells.

I like a bigger screen, but it's the missing second joystick they've been using an add-on for. Now the add-on is going to make the system as portable as the Lynx:

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2012-06-22 12:30:22 PM

lemurs: Antimatter: the price drop did wonders for it. Till then, it was indeed underselling the under platforms. Sony has the same problem now with the vita. Technology wise, and games wise, it's quite impressive. It just costs too much up front between the console and memory card.

The 3DS was never selling as poorly as the Vita is now. The problem is that it's unlikely Sony can afford a price drop, and it's hard to see where the system-selling software will come from now that the supposedly big titles like "Uncharted" have come and gone.


Gravity Rush just dropped to high reviews, and is a ton of fun so far. Persona 4: Golden sold well in japan at release this week as well. Cod and ACIII are due in the fall, as are a few other games like some rpgs, Miku Hatsune in japan, and Inafune's new game.

Vita is selling poorly because people know a drop has got to be coming and soon. Sony doesn't have a choice, they have to drop the price, or fall millions more units behind.
 
2012-06-22 01:02:52 PM

Antimatter: lemurs: Antimatter: the price drop did wonders for it. Till then, it was indeed underselling the under platforms. Sony has the same problem now with the vita. Technology wise, and games wise, it's quite impressive. It just costs too much up front between the console and memory card.

The 3DS was never selling as poorly as the Vita is now. The problem is that it's unlikely Sony can afford a price drop, and it's hard to see where the system-selling software will come from now that the supposedly big titles like "Uncharted" have come and gone.

Gravity Rush just dropped to high reviews, and is a ton of fun so far. Persona 4: Golden sold well in japan at release this week as well. Cod and ACIII are due in the fall, as are a few other games like some rpgs, Miku Hatsune in japan, and Inafune's new game.

Vita is selling poorly because people know a drop has got to be coming and soon. Sony doesn't have a choice, they have to drop the price, or fall millions more units behind.


Here's the thing... this is the same strategy they did with the PS3, and they'll try it again because it worked.

They now have two handhelds selling. They'll keep doing that as PSPs are pure profit now, and slowly integrate fans to the new hardware over time.

You won't see a Vita price drop the same year it came out... it's only like 4 months old right now, and unlike the 3DS is actually worth that price. Late next year you'll see a $50 drop, maybe a summer drop during the next E3.

Nintendo could slash the price because they weren't losing money on the system... Sony doesn't have that luxury.
 
2012-06-22 01:24:41 PM
Bah, you're opinion sucks subby. :)
If the DS or PSP's were laptop sized, I'd own one already. As they are now, they're "too" portable. I'd rather be able to see what I'm playing. They're a good size for the children I suppose.

17" laptop-style PSP? Yes, please. Make the controller a detachable component from the main unit? Oh yes. Allow it to work with standard PS3 controllers if we choose? Multi-player? Fark yeah.
 
2012-06-22 01:40:18 PM

Doc Daneeka: Hand Banana: Wasn't the 3DS a huge flop?

It's selling at a faster pace than the original DS, which was one of the best-selling video game systems of all time.

Both in the US:

[www.blogcdn.com image 530x350]

And in Japan:

[brutalgamer.com image 640x400]


Wow what game came out that made those sales spikes?
 
2012-06-22 01:42:40 PM
Heh, sorry for the double post but it wasn't a game it was Christmas time.
 
2012-06-22 01:57:48 PM

wildstarr: Heh, sorry for the double post but it wasn't a game it was Christmas time.


Since the launch, the system got a Mario Kart game, and the e-shop allows to download Game Boy, Game Gear, etc. games. On tap this year is a true sequel to Mario 3, new Kingdom Hearts game, and a new Castlevania game. The 3DS is rapidly becoming the king of all portable systems.
 
2012-06-22 02:27:35 PM
Speak for yourself, Subby. I turned in my 3DS for a DSiXL because the damn thing was too small to hold comfortably for any length of time.
 
2012-06-22 02:35:35 PM
I've been playing my 3DS less than I ought to -- hell, I haven't even bought Mario Kart 7 yet -- because it's significantly less comfortable to hold in my big Germanic hands than my old DS Phat was.

In the next hardware generation, I'll remember to wait nine months for the XL version to come out before I buy.
 
2012-06-22 02:38:16 PM

quiotu: Antimatter: lemurs: Antimatter: the price drop did wonders for it. Till then, it was indeed underselling the under platforms. Sony has the same problem now with the vita. Technology wise, and games wise, it's quite impressive. It just costs too much up front between the console and memory card.

The 3DS was never selling as poorly as the Vita is now. The problem is that it's unlikely Sony can afford a price drop, and it's hard to see where the system-selling software will come from now that the supposedly big titles like "Uncharted" have come and gone.

Gravity Rush just dropped to high reviews, and is a ton of fun so far. Persona 4: Golden sold well in japan at release this week as well. Cod and ACIII are due in the fall, as are a few other games like some rpgs, Miku Hatsune in japan, and Inafune's new game.

Vita is selling poorly because people know a drop has got to be coming and soon. Sony doesn't have a choice, they have to drop the price, or fall millions more units behind.

Here's the thing... this is the same strategy they did with the PS3, and they'll try it again because it worked.

They now have two handhelds selling. They'll keep doing that as PSPs are pure profit now, and slowly integrate fans to the new hardware over time.

You won't see a Vita price drop the same year it came out... it's only like 4 months old right now, and unlike the 3DS is actually worth that price. Late next year you'll see a $50 drop, maybe a summer drop during the next E3.

Nintendo could slash the price because they weren't losing money on the system... Sony doesn't have that luxury.


Nintendo sells the 3ds at a major loss you know. Odds are they were barely breaking even at $250 as well. That's why despite strong sales, so far the platform has cost them money.
 
2012-06-22 02:42:03 PM

wildstarr: Doc Daneeka: Hand Banana: Wasn't the 3DS a huge flop?

It's selling at a faster pace than the original DS, which was one of the best-selling video game systems of all time.

Both in the US:

[www.blogcdn.com image 530x350]

And in Japan:

[brutalgamer.com image 640x400]

Wow what game came out that made those sales spikes?


Mario Kart + Super Mario 3d + Price Drop

Did wonders for the 3DS. Now it is looking like every bit the sales monster its predecessor was.
 
2012-06-22 02:56:04 PM

Antimatter: Millennium: imashark: Is the resolution of the screen (and thus the games) still going to be 320x280?

If so, color me as not caring.

A marginally sharper picture does not improve games.

Actually, it can. Allows for richer detail, less jaggies, and more screen area for different things. It's like using 8mm versus 35 mm film.


You don't notice the detail or jaggies when you're playing: they're only good for screenshots and other marketing material. You actually have a point with the screen area thing, but nobody uses HD for that, nor will they.
 
2012-06-22 02:58:53 PM
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Please to help me with my rucksack?
 
2012-06-22 03:37:23 PM

Antimatter: Nintendo sells the 3ds at a major loss you know. Odds are they were barely breaking even at $250 as well. That's why despite strong sales, so far the platform has cost them money.


3DS hardware was selling at a profit up until the price cut, and Nintendo president Iwata claims they'll be back to selling 3DS hardware at a profit by August. The exchange rate is what's really putting a dent in their financials.
 
2012-06-22 04:05:26 PM

Millennium: Antimatter: Millennium: imashark: Is the resolution of the screen (and thus the games) still going to be 320x280?

If so, color me as not caring.

A marginally sharper picture does not improve games.

Actually, it can. Allows for richer detail, less jaggies, and more screen area for different things. It's like using 8mm versus 35 mm film.

You don't notice the detail or jaggies when you're playing: they're only good for screenshots and other marketing material. You actually have a point with the screen area thing, but nobody uses HD for that, nor will they.


You notice it in game as well, at least I do. Depends on the game, but sometime it is quite pronounced.
 
2012-06-22 04:23:33 PM

lemurs: Antimatter: Nintendo sells the 3ds at a major loss you know. Odds are they were barely breaking even at $250 as well. That's why despite strong sales, so far the platform has cost them money.

3DS hardware was selling at a profit up until the price cut, and Nintendo president Iwata claims they'll be back to selling 3DS hardware at a profit by August. The exchange rate is what's really putting a dent in their financials.


Beat me to it. It's also beneficial to point out that Nintendo hasn't sold a console at a loss in... pretty much ever. This is an almost unique situation, Nintendo having to sell something at a loss to keep sales up.

wildstarr:
Wow what game came out that made those sales spikes?


For the US, is was Mario Kart 7.

For Japan, though they love their Mario... face it, it was Monster Hunter Tri G. Japan is psycho about Monster Hunter right now.

Both came out in early December last year.
 
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