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(Daily Mail)   Twenty-two-year-old cheerleading coach accused of having sex with 17-year-old basketball player. With "Yea, you would" pic   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 213
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2012-06-22 01:27:21 AM  
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"Suck me, beautiful"
 
2012-06-22 01:37:00 AM  

aerojockey: "Yeah I would" what? Give her two black eyes?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x558]

/yeah, I would


Hell, I did.
 
2012-06-22 01:37:21 AM  
Begoggle:

The One True TheDavid: And when I was a teenager "hustling" was popular: that consisted of (mostly, allegedly) straight boys letting gay men blow them for money.

LOL news flash: if you "let" another guy have oral sex on you, you're gay.


Or bi: even 80/20 counts. I agree: that's why I said '(mostly, allegedly) straight.'

The fact is a lot of these guys only had relations with men for money and would not let another guy their age suck them off without paying them. They weren't that gay. Most of these same guys grew up to be normal straight men with no homosexual inclinations: it was simply a way of making beer money.

This is why I have a hard time believing anybody is born gay or straight, or any male anyway: to quote Lenny Bruce, "men can fark mud." Have you heard of many farm boys who refused a real woman (or man, ATCMB) because they'd really rather have a cow?

Not that it matters, mind you: people have a right to consent to sex with people of their own sex whether they're "born that way" or not.

By the way, do you think female hookers walk around the stroll all night in those 17" heels because they can't get enough dick? If that was the case they'd be paying you. Some of them are really Lesbians and only do men for money or drugs.

CSB: In fact in my 20s I had the misfortune of being madly in love with a stone dyke coke whore. And refused to pay her or give her drugs, even if she'd do whatever I wanted and wouldn't touch me otherwise, because treating her like a prostitute would sully my tender feelings for her. (Boy was I confused.)
 
2012-06-22 01:39:12 AM  
My mom was 18 and my dad was 23 when I was born. That was in the 70s. This is garbage.
 
2012-06-22 01:39:50 AM  
According to Fox 59, Crafton is was engaged.
 
2012-06-22 01:42:46 AM  

keithdcmoore: Hey, you know my ex!


Only biblically. I was never actually all that clear on what her name was. Every time I asked she'd whip me and say "It does not address Mistress with its filthy whore mouth!"
 
2012-06-22 01:45:37 AM  
Jebus. These stories are getting lame. You and i and everyone else know he wanted it... And she's only five yrs older and not even HIS coach. Teenage boys like to fark. Older women, younger girs, whatever....
 
2012-06-22 01:49:12 AM  

Gwendolyn: This shiat is getting ridiculous. 22 and 17? really? Did he get made she wouldn't let him have her ass or something?


No, it seems like he shot his mouth off to some friends and the word got around. The 17 year-old is apparently a dumbass.
 
2012-06-22 01:50:01 AM  

Mugato: Oh come on. We joke about these cases but this has to be the most ridiculous one ever.


No, you'd be wrong.
 
2012-06-22 01:50:28 AM  
Is this a "Hate Crime", or merely white on white crime?
 
2012-06-22 01:53:30 AM  

dopekitty74: You and i and everyone else know he wanted it


... and? Shiat, there are 13 year olds who want it. When I was 13, I wanted it. Doesn't mean it's okay.
 
2012-06-22 02:24:16 AM  

Theaetetus: dopekitty74: You and i and everyone else know he wanted it

... and? Shiat, there are 13 year olds who want it. When I was 13, I wanted it. Doesn't mean it's okay.


Why isn't it okay, exactly? It's okay if it's with another 13 year old? What about a 13 year old with a 12 year old? Or a 14 year old with a 13 year old? How about 14 with 12? What about 15 with 13? At what point do the arbitrary numbers become meaningful? Yes, we have laws that say A is legal and B is illegal and C is a grey area that we don't want to tackle because it brings into question the actual reasons A and B exist.

I'm all for protecting kids from extraneous harm, but a lot of the laws dealing with teenagers and sex need to be looked at in a very serious way. We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

The supposed victim here is a 17 year old athlete. If she had waited a few more months it would have been fine? Or is it because she's a coach at that school that it's not okay? So if she waited a few months for him to graduate it would have been fine? So who is actually being protected here, again?

I see actual monsters all the time. Sometimes I'm unlucky enough to have to deal with them directly. This whole thing is procedural in nature. No ethics are involved unless you want to debate the ethics of sex for purposes other than procreation.
 
2012-06-22 02:27:54 AM  
Congratulations, Fark, I think this is the first time I've seen 'yeah you'd hit it' where I wouldn't run screaming.

Except the whole thing about sticking your dick in crazy.
 
2012-06-22 02:33:53 AM  

altrocks: Theaetetus: dopekitty74: You and i and everyone else know he wanted it

... and? Shiat, there are 13 year olds who want it. When I was 13, I wanted it. Doesn't mean it's okay.

Why isn't it okay, exactly? It's okay if it's with another 13 year old? What about a 13 year old with a 12 year old? Or a 14 year old with a 13 year old? How about 14 with 12? What about 15 with 13? At what point do the arbitrary numbers become meaningful? Yes, we have laws that say A is legal and B is illegal and C is a grey area that we don't want to tackle because it brings into question the actual reasons A and B exist.

I'm all for protecting kids from extraneous harm, but a lot of the laws dealing with teenagers and sex need to be looked at in a very serious way. We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

The supposed victim here is a 17 year old athlete. If she had waited a few more months it would have been fine? Or is it because she's a coach at that school that it's not okay? So if she waited a few months for him to graduate it would have been fine? So who is actually being protected here, again?

I see actual monsters all the time. Sometimes I'm unlucky enough to have to deal with them directly. This whole thing is procedural in nature. No ethics are involved unless you want to debate the ethics of sex for purposes other than procreation.


But 80 into 18 would have been ok. Icky, but ok.
 
2012-06-22 02:38:29 AM  
I assume the usual idiots have been in this thead saying the usual shiat about how men and women are exactly the same, and all "victims" have to be treated as equivalent to the most traumatized victims in history, and that the "boys will be boys" attitude must be stamped out because boys are pressured to say that sex is what they want, and that this woman must be punished harshly because she will just prey on someone again and what if it's a 1-year-old next time, and that you may have thought that a 22-year-old is what you wanted when you were a 17-year-old boy, but you didn't really know yourself and if you really had a 22-year-old back then you would have been traumatized too, and that even if a 22-year-old is what you wanted and you wouldn't have been traumatized by that, you still can't speak for all 17-year-old boys, and what if he were your son have you thought about that? And that if you've thought about him being your son and you're thinking "high five son!" then you are part of the problem and you are perpetuating the rape culture in which we live.
 
2012-06-22 02:39:08 AM  

dopekitty74: Jebus. These stories are getting lame. You and i and everyone else know he wanted it... And she's only five yrs older and not even HIS coach. Teenage boys like to fark. Older women, younger girs, whatever....


When I was 17, I'd be eyeing up the beef liver my mom brought home for dinner...
 
2012-06-22 02:41:15 AM  

Christian Bale: I assume the usual idiots have been in this thead saying the usual shiat about how men and women are exactly the same, and all "victims" have to be treated as equivalent to the most traumatized victims in history, and that the "boys will be boys" attitude must be stamped out because boys are pressured to say that sex is what they want, and that this woman must be punished harshly because she will just prey on someone again and what if it's a 1-year-old next time, and that you may have thought that a 22-year-old is what you wanted when you were a 17-year-old boy, but you didn't really know yourself and if you really had a 22-year-old back then you would have been traumatized too, and that even if a 22-year-old is what you wanted and you wouldn't have been traumatized by that, you still can't speak for all 17-year-old boys, and what if he were your son have you thought about that? And that if you've thought about him being your son and you're thinking "high five son!" then you are part of the problem and you are perpetuating the rape culture in which we live.


Actually, no one's said that. But thanks for playing.
 
2012-06-22 02:47:08 AM  

altrocks: Why isn't it okay, exactly? It's okay if it's with another 13 year old? What about a 13 year old with a 12 year old? Or a 14 year old with a 13 year old? How about 14 with 12? What about 15 with 13? At what point do the arbitrary numbers become meaningful?


It's not about the arbitrary numbers, but about the power differential. A 13 year old and a 12 year old don't have very much difference in power. Nor a 15 and 13 year old (as I know from experience, having been a 13 year old who said he was 15 to mess around with a 15 year old). The difference in power is what makes the relationship exploitative, and that's what we're trying to guard against. Age is a proxy for that, but it's not strictly accurate... rather, it's pragmatic.

Yes, we have laws that say A is legal and B is illegal and C is a grey area that we don't want to tackle because it brings into question the actual reasons A and B exist.

No, we'd be happy to tackle it. The problem is that it gets back to what I said before - leaving the gray area for the court means that you cannot predict whether your behavior is or is not criminal until after you've done it. It becomes a due process problem, not an issue of "we don't want to think about age differentials".

I'm all for protecting kids from extraneous harm, but a lot of the laws dealing with teenagers and sex need to be looked at in a very serious way. We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

[Citation needed]
I know the stories have come up, but I have yet to see one actually convicted and forced to register as a sex offender. I think your argument is based off urban legend and hyperbole.

The supposed victim here is a 17 year old athlete. If she had waited a few more months it would have been fine? Or is it because she's a coach at that school that it's not okay? So if she waited a few months for him to graduate it would have been fine? So who is actually being protected here, again?

Yes, if she waited for him to graduate, it would have been fine. And who's being protected are students who may be exploited by teachers in position of power. If you want to graduate and then return to school and fark your teachers, they don't hold your diploma in their hands. They can't fark with your grades or otherwise manipulate you, so it's no longer an issue.

I see actual monsters all the time. Sometimes I'm unlucky enough to have to deal with them directly. This whole thing is procedural in nature. No ethics are involved unless you want to debate the ethics of sex for purposes other than procreation.

No ethics are involved if you ignore exploitation of children by those with power, but I don't think that's a good thing to ignore.

You're upset that a bright line rule has some situations that fall close to the line. I agree, but that's the result of having a bright line rule. The alternative is ambiguity and "potential" crimes, which is worse. At least this way, you know "don't fool around with your students."
 
2012-06-22 03:11:30 AM  

SilentStrider: meh, five years difference in age? Not really seeing the big deal here.


wait whats the rule for girls... guys its half + 8?
 
2012-06-22 03:13:42 AM  
For everyone who's saying the kid was stupid for telling the cops: the impression I got from TFA was that rumors were swirling around (he probably bragged to his friends) and the cops launched an investigation. They questioned him and he told them. It's not like he went out of his way to narc.
 
2012-06-22 03:17:40 AM  
Let me get this straight:-

1. You're 17
2. You're getting a BJ
3. From a 22 year old woman
4. Who is hittable

and

5. You tell the cops????

I was stupid at 17, but not that stupid.
 
2012-06-22 03:20:16 AM  

Theaetetus: altrocks: Why isn't it okay, exactly? It's okay if it's with another 13 year old? What about a 13 year old with a 12 year old? Or a 14 year old with a 13 year old? How about 14 with 12? What about 15 with 13? At what point do the arbitrary numbers become meaningful?

It's not about the arbitrary numbers, but about the power differential. A 13 year old and a 12 year old don't have very much difference in power. Nor a 15 and 13 year old (as I know from experience, having been a 13 year old who said he was 15 to mess around with a 15 year old). The difference in power is what makes the relationship exploitative, and that's what we're trying to guard against. Age is a proxy for that, but it's not strictly accurate... rather, it's pragmatic.

Yes, we have laws that say A is legal and B is illegal and C is a grey area that we don't want to tackle because it brings into question the actual reasons A and B exist.

No, we'd be happy to tackle it. The problem is that it gets back to what I said before - leaving the gray area for the court means that you cannot predict whether your behavior is or is not criminal until after you've done it. It becomes a due process problem, not an issue of "we don't want to think about age differentials".

I'm all for protecting kids from extraneous harm, but a lot of the laws dealing with teenagers and sex need to be looked at in a very serious way. We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

[Citation needed]
I know the stories have come up, but I have yet to see one actually convicted and forced to register as a sex offender. I think your argument is based off urban legend and hyperbole.

The supposed victim here is a 17 year old athlete. If she had waited a few more months i ...


If this had actually been a teacher who had power over him, I would agree 100% with all you said. However, this was a cheerleading coach, not a teacher. The student was not a cheerleader and was not under her authority at any time whatsoever. So the exploitation angle is completely null. There was no power differential or conflicting interest here. It's a simple matter of age, which, by the way,differs from region to region. As noted by commenters on TFA, this would have been perfectly legal and fine in the U.K., but it's a felony in the highly repressed and Puritanical U.S. of A.

And as for citation: How about a CNN article with multiple accounts from across the country from 3 years ago? I didn't think I actually needed to cite something this old, well known and factually established, but I guess in today's world of factual opinions you can't be too careful. Still, it's not a myth or Urban Legend. You won't find it disputed on Snopes or anything. It's just a plain old fact, and one that most people don't seem to like.


The alternative is ambiguity and "potential" crimes, which is worse.

Here I have to disagree with you. Ambiguity is NOT the only alternative at all. You're setting up a false dichotomy. Right now each state has a cut-off age for these sorts of things. Possible alternative solutions include almost everything you can think of from completely removing any laws relating to it (sex is okay with anyone of any age who consents), all the way up to sex being allowed only after a license and contract have been procured for each encounter after a thorough process of psychological, physical and financial examination has been completed to ensure satisfactory outcomes. It's a spectrum, not an on-off switch.

Also, ambiguity is not necessarily a bad thing either. We used to call it "discretion" or "leeway". And people had to use things like wisdom and good sense to figure out what was appropriate and what was extreme. Now everything has to be codified and procedure is surely more important than anything else in the "justice" system. The letter of the law is all that exists these days, there is no spirit. Maybe some ambiguity wouldn't be terrible, especially when the laws are often written by people that have no business being legislators only to be enforced by those who have no business being officers of the law.
 
2012-06-22 03:24:32 AM  
Be aggressive! Beej be aggressive!
 
2012-06-22 03:25:39 AM  

varmitydog: [www.shelbycs.org image 512x340]

And now boys and girls, it's time to play "Which Golden Bear did she suck off?"
I'm going with the guy in the back row, second from the left.


It's easier to guess who ratted them out. The guy who she blew was one of the 4 in the back row - I'll say #50, but it seems like a 1 in 4 chance.
They were ratted out by one of 2 people: It was either the guy in the navy blue shirt standing farthest to the right, or the guy in the navy blue shirt sitting farthest to the right (middle row). One of those Poindexters tried to blackmail her into the same act and she refused. One in 2 chance.

And why the fark are there 6 coaches and 5 trolly girls sitting in the front? Are they athletic trainers or a pep squad? There's 11 support people and only 8 basketball players
 
2012-06-22 03:33:15 AM  
The student who turned her in needs to have his junk cut off. Seriously, a nice looking 22 year old WOMAN (and you are a damn kid!) gives you a BJ and you turn around and turn her in.

Really nice. Since he's of age to legally get married, the police should release his name. That way everyone can steer clear of this jackass, and parents can warn their daughters to keep this clown at a safe distance.

This is the type of guy who would receive a million bucks from someone and then report them to the IRS for tax evasion.
 
2012-06-22 03:50:39 AM  
With "Yea, you would" pic

subby don't lie.

basketball coach? It begs the question, double dribble?
 
2012-06-22 03:59:45 AM  
I committed three more serious crimes than this today. One, I ran across a 4-lane street instead of going to the crosswalk. Two, I didn't tip at the coffee place, because the guy was a butthole and didn't want to make the effort to give me the brew I asked for. Three, I got a grocery store discount when the manager used her card even though I actually don't belong to their club.

In conclusion, this kid should just come out already and stop wasting taxpayer money with his psychodrama.
 
2012-06-22 04:12:59 AM  
If that was my son, I'd disown his ass for taking this to the cops.
 
2012-06-22 05:18:00 AM  
Victim? More like the luckiest kid in school.
 
2012-06-22 05:24:22 AM  

Mugato: Oh come on. We joke about these cases but this has to be the most ridiculous one ever.


Position of authority trumps most everything else.
Or, at least, it should.
 
2012-06-22 05:42:31 AM  
So, I guess the engagement is off.. Right?
 
2012-06-22 06:04:00 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mugato: Oh come on. We joke about these cases but this has to be the most ridiculous one ever.

Position of authority trumps most everything else.
Or, at least, it should.


She's a farking cheerleader coach.
 
2012-06-22 06:28:18 AM  

SpaceyCat: I'm thinking it had more to do with the fact that she was a coach at the school of the guy she was screwing around with rather than the age. Paid school employee farking a student of that school is just bad PR.


And a breach of trust.
 
2012-06-22 06:50:48 AM  
Shelbyville High School?

Was the player her attractive cousin?
 
2012-06-22 06:56:43 AM  
And here I thought it was in the job description of cheerleaders and their coaches to do this sort of thing. I mean isn't it really? What other use are they?
 
2012-06-22 06:57:21 AM  
This would never have happened back when it was called Morganville.

/adjusts onion
 
2012-06-22 07:00:52 AM  

altrocks: As noted by commenters on TFA, this would have been perfectly legal and fine in the U.K., but it's a felony in the highly repressed and Puritanical U.S. of A.


They are wrong. Precisely the same principles apply here too: age of consent is 16 but not when there is a position of authority involved.

Her job in the school makes and should make no difference. It doesn't matter that she wasn't his teacher; she was a teacher and that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if you don't take chemistry (or cheerleading) classes - the chemistry (or cheerleading) teacher can take disciplinary action against you and that gives them authority.

Sorry, high fivers, but any member of school staff who has sex with a pupil is displaying cretinous stupidity and deserves everything they get.
 
2012-06-22 07:03:40 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This kind of stuff wouldn't happen in Springfield.


If all you farmers weren't so busy trying to fark a 17yr old, we could have had a Simpsons reference sooner.
 
2012-06-22 07:07:15 AM  

doglover: 22 and 17 is marriage age.

farkin' change these laws already. I don't want prosecutors who take these cases to get paid. At all. They're a frivilous waste of taxpayer money, LEOs, and judical resouces in general.

22 and 7? CRIME
22 and 17? NOT

Is it so freakin' hard to figure out!?


17 GOTO JAIL

JAIL:
CALL BUTTSEX
 
2012-06-22 07:09:31 AM  
Regardless of the ages involved here, I think the issue here is that a school employee was doing something sexual with a student at said school. That's never a good idea, in my opinion.
 
2012-06-22 07:12:00 AM  
She'll get fired, rightfully so, but that's about it. It's just in the news because OMG THE CHILDREN.

Is like every woman that wants to bang a really young child getting into teaching or something?
 
2012-06-22 07:16:32 AM  

booger42: Shelbyville High School?

Was the player her attractive cousin?


Came here looking for the Shelbyville-Cousin reference, left happy.

I've got a friend who is currently dating his cousin (for real), I keep inquiring as to how things are in Shelbyville.
 
2012-06-22 07:31:24 AM  
Wow a whole 5 year age difference where the youngest is the age of consent in most real states. What a great story... yawn.
 
2012-06-22 07:31:30 AM  
Okay, I don't normally do this, but I am going to here:

Guys - keep your farking piehole flapper closed, damn! Not just in cases like this, but in ALL cases.

Loose lips sinks your farking opportunity, you damned tard. Stop it!
 
2012-06-22 07:34:23 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: She'll get fired, rightfully so, but that's about it. It's just in the news because OMG THE CHILDREN.

Is like every woman that wants to bang a really young child getting into teaching or something?


I highly encourage this... as long as they're not fugly. Unlike those who just say the words, I really am concerned about the children.
 
2012-06-22 07:36:56 AM  
Link
Duck lip all over this one.
 
2012-06-22 07:39:39 AM  

hitlersbrain: I highly encourage this... as long as they're not fugly. Unlike those who just say the words, I really am concerned about the children.


It's rare for them to be very attractive, but it is weird how more of these stories happen every week. Are they just now being reported or is it a new thing? I don't know, I never had an attractive teacher.
 
2012-06-22 07:40:09 AM  

Christian Bale: I assume the usual idiots have been in this thead saying the usual shiat about how men and women are exactly the same, and all "victims" have to be treated as equivalent to the most traumatized victims in history, and that the "boys will be boys" attitude must be stamped out because boys are pressured to say that sex is what they want, and that this woman must be punished harshly because she will just prey on someone again and what if it's a 1-year-old next time, and that you may have thought that a 22-year-old is what you wanted when you were a 17-year-old boy, but you didn't really know yourself and if you really had a 22-year-old back then you would have been traumatized too, and that even if a 22-year-old is what you wanted and you wouldn't have been traumatized by that, you still can't speak for all 17-year-old boys, and what if he were your son have you thought about that? And that if you've thought about him being your son and you're thinking "high five son!" then you are part of the problem and you are perpetuating the rape culture in which we live.


Is this serious?
 
2012-06-22 07:43:32 AM  

proteon: Boy oh boy you guys go ape shaite for teachers farking a student.


Hot female teacher to student... Yes!

Anything else is depraved and should be severely punished... Hopefully by a hot female punishment specialist.
 
2012-06-22 07:46:37 AM  

altrocks: If this had actually been a teacher who had power over him, I would agree 100% with all you said. However, this was a cheerleading coach, not a teacher. The student was not a cheerleader and was not under her authority at any time whatsoever. So the exploitation angle is completely null. There was no power differential or conflicting interest here. It's a simple matter of age, which, by the way,differs from region to region. As noted by commenters on TFA, this would have been perfectly legal and fine in the U.K., but it's a felony in the highly repressed and Puritanical U.S. of A.


Well, yeah - as you notice, I said above that they're going to have a tough time convicting her. I thought we had moved on to talking about authority-based sex laws in general.

And as for citation: How about a CNN article with multiple accounts from across the country from 3 years ago? I didn't think I actually needed to cite something this old, well known and factually established, but I guess in today's world of factual opinions you can't be too careful. Still, it's not a myth or Urban Legend. You won't find it disputed on Snopes or anything. It's just a plain old fact, and one that most people don't seem to like.

Yes, it's a "plain old fact," but not the one you originally said:
We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

From your link:
Phillip Alpert found out the hard way. He had just turned 18 when he sent a naked photo of his 16-year-old girlfriend, a photo she had taken and sent him, to dozens of her friends and family after an argument.

He landed on the sex offender registry for the picture. She didn't land on it for the picture she "took of herself" as you said.
So, not an accurate citation for your earlier statement. As I said, I don't believe it's ever actually happened that a teen has had to register as a sex offender for "taking a picture of themselves".
 
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