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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-21 07:19:09 PM  
a felony charge of child seduction

If I ever get busted I want the crime to be called "child seduction" rather than "aggravated statutory rape." I should think about moving to Indiana.
 
2012-06-21 07:31:21 PM  
This shiat is getting ridiculous. 22 and 17? really? Did he get made she wouldn't let him have her ass or something?
 
2012-06-21 08:35:37 PM  
22 and 17 is marriage age.

farkin' change these laws already. I don't want prosecutors who take these cases to get paid. At all. They're a frivilous waste of taxpayer money, LEOs, and judical resouces in general.

22 and 7? CRIME
22 and 17? NOT

Is it so freakin' hard to figure out!?
 
2012-06-21 09:26:18 PM  
Oh come on. We joke about these cases but this has to be the most ridiculous one ever.
 
2012-06-21 09:37:09 PM  

Mugato: Oh come on. We joke about these cases but this has to be the most ridiculous one ever.


I don't know about "ever," but it's one that drives me nuts. It might be lame from the standpoint of the older person to be dating someone in high school, but illegal? No. We baby the fark out of high school kids in modern times, and this is just another version of the same old shiat.
 
2012-06-21 09:43:39 PM  
Mad not made. I have lost my command of the English language.
 
2012-06-21 09:51:26 PM  
We should just let everyone fark everyone and stop being so crazy about it. So what if he knocks her up? The government pays for babies born to single moms. Let's just drop the charade and enjoy us some liberty, for a change.
 
2012-06-21 09:56:20 PM  
meh, five years difference in age? Not really seeing the big deal here.
 
2012-06-21 10:04:42 PM  
"Megan Crafton, 22, handed herself on June 15 after the teenage boy told police about the liaison which happened in the parking lot of a grocery store in January."

Handed herself? Is that a gentler alternative to fisting herself?
 
2012-06-21 10:09:53 PM  

poonesfarm: "Megan Crafton, 22, handed herself on June 15 after the teenage boy told police about the liaison which happened in the parking lot of a grocery store in January."

Handed herself? Is that a gentler alternative to fisting herself?


Someone needs to "hand" him for ratting her out. I mean WTF?
 
2012-06-21 10:12:53 PM  

jaylectricity: We should just let everyone fark everyone and stop being so crazy about it. So what if he knocks her up? The government pays for babies born to single moms. Let's just drop the charade and enjoy us some liberty, for a change.


All those throat babies running around.
 
2012-06-21 10:31:23 PM  

Gwendolyn: All those throat babies running around.


I suppose if she swallows really hard...
 
2012-06-21 11:20:12 PM  
I'm thinking it had more to do with the fact that she was a coach at the school of the guy she was screwing around with rather than the age. Paid school employee farking a student of that school is just bad PR.
 
2012-06-21 11:35:18 PM  
She should be fired, but that's about it. Hell, I had a 17 year-old girlfriend when I was 20 (and she was 16 when I was 19) - the idea that I was guilty of "child seduction" or whatever never entered my mind.

If this woman ends up on a life-long sex offender list, the real criminals will be the DA, judge, etc.
 
2012-06-21 11:42:26 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

This kind of stuff wouldn't happen in Springfield.
 
2012-06-21 11:43:10 PM  
Why would a high school hire a coach who's barely graduated herself? That's just asking for trouble.
 
2012-06-21 11:43:13 PM  
I clicked the link prepared to see that the woman was a hideous beast. I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised! Thanks for not wasting my time, subby.
 
2012-06-21 11:43:44 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x286]

This kind of stuff wouldn't happen in Springfield.


I thought this, too.

Fire her. Charging her with a crime? Stupid.
 
2012-06-21 11:44:01 PM  
Boy oh boy you guys go ape shaite for teachers farking a student.
 
2012-06-21 11:45:10 PM  
Of course things like this happen at Shelbyville High. No one at Springville High would ever do such a thing.

///adjusts onion...
 
2012-06-21 11:45:37 PM  
Or sure. But Jerry Sandusky touches a handful of boys and he's turned the bad one.
 
2012-06-21 11:46:30 PM  
FTA: "The 22-year-old is not a teacher and did not coach the student but was in a position of authority. "

What did she do, order him to submit to an unwanted BJ?

Oh please, please don't throw me into that beej patch!
 
2012-06-21 11:46:53 PM  
Yeah, probably.....
 
2012-06-21 11:47:33 PM  
Fark must be broken. I actually would.
 
2012-06-21 11:48:42 PM  
img12.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-21 11:49:09 PM  

SpaceyCat: I'm thinking it had more to do with the fact that she was a coach at the school of the guy she was screwing around with rather than the age. Paid school employee farking a student of that school is just bad PR.


This...

I mean, I can help but roll my eyes when people say "WOOO! LUCKY KID!!!" on cases of 12 year old boys and 40-something female teachers, but just 5 years difference and (I would assume) age of consent ? C'Mon!!!

But if is a matter of violating school policies (and that would be understandable), yeah, fire her...
 
2012-06-21 11:49:45 PM  

The One True TheDavid: FTA: "The 22-year-old is not a teacher and did not coach the student but was in a position of authority. "

What did she do, order him to submit to an unwanted BJ?

Oh please, please don't throw me into that beej patch!


I'd have to disagree with this. My neighbor the 36 year old Asst. Principal who went to jail for sleeping with a 17 year old student was in a "position of authority". This was someone whose only job at the school was coaching a girl sports team. How did she have any authority over a male student?
 
2012-06-21 11:50:44 PM  
Mugato:

poonesfarm: "Megan Crafton, 22, handed herself on June 15 after the teenage boy told police about the liaison which happened in the parking lot of a grocery store in January."

Handed herself? Is that a gentler alternative to fisting herself?

Someone needs to "hand" him for ratting her out. I mean WTF?


Some other guy on the team, probably. He ruined it for everybody.

Okay, so the only dribbling I do in my old age involves my chin and a napkin, but I'm still more or less anatomically correct. And I'm really still quite vulnerable to seduction and exploitation, I swear!
 
2012-06-21 11:51:33 PM  

Lionel Mandrake:
If this woman ends up on a life-long sex offender list, the real criminals will be the DA, judge, etc.


You know that people are on sex offender registries for public urination, right?
 
2012-06-21 11:51:54 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: AverageAmericanGuy: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x286]

This kind of stuff wouldn't happen in Springfield.

I thought this, too.

Fire her. Charging her with a crime? Stupid.


Fire her? You've got to be kidding.

Pay her extra, with performance bonuses.
 
2012-06-21 11:52:11 PM  
If she's easy on the eyes, an acquittal you must realize.
If she's uglier than sin, the darkest prison she must be in.
 
2012-06-21 11:52:14 PM  
If he complains, KILL HIM. If the roles happened to be reversed, well, then KILL HIM! Why is this so damned difficult to understand?
 
2012-06-21 11:52:29 PM  
the teenage boy told police about the liaison which happened in the parking lot of a grocery store in January.
THIS BOY IS SOOOO GAY!
WOW!!!!!

Teacher, Please come to Mucus.
 
2012-06-21 11:52:41 PM  
This is ridiculous.

Teachers. No matter what your age, stop going after the under 18 crowd. It never works and you give your students leverage against you.
Even if it was consensual, it won't remain so.

Just stop it already.
 
2012-06-21 11:54:15 PM  
The question is, "Why did he rat her out?"
 
2012-06-21 11:56:33 PM  
Eh. Yeah. I would.

I always find it weird when women go for younger men at that age, though.
 
2012-06-21 11:57:00 PM  
"Megan Crafton, 22, handed herself on June 15 after the teenage boy told police about the liaison which happened in the parking lot of a grocery store in January."


Sounds like he was trying (and succeeding) to blackmail control her.

/ at least thats what im telling myself inside my twisted head.
// dirty, dirty little cheerleading coach...
 
2012-06-21 11:57:02 PM  

jaylectricity: The government pays for babies born to single moms.


They do??

Once again you bring a strange irrelevant assertion into a thread.

Are you actively TRYING to threadjack now?
 
2012-06-21 11:58:00 PM  

fusillade762: jaylectricity: The government pays for babies born to single moms.

They do??

Once again you bring a strange irrelevant assertion into a thread.

Are you actively TRYING to threadjack now?


And you are actively letting him.

/crap, me too. STOP US BEFORE WE HELP AGAIN
 
2012-06-21 11:58:29 PM  

Virtual Pariah: This is ridiculous.

Teachers. No matter what your age, stop going after the under 18 crowd. It never works and you give your students leverage against you.
Even if it was consensual, it won't remain so.

Just stop it already.


Don't understand that myself. Especially for the good looking women. Are biatches really this stupid or is this a new development?
 
2012-06-21 11:58:35 PM  
This is the same kind of thing that put North Haverbrook on the map!
 
2012-06-21 11:59:29 PM  
well that blows
 
2012-06-21 11:59:46 PM  
So dude gets a bj in parking lot, then goes and tells police without getting laid? I would have kept my mouth shut gotten some. I wonder what he was thinking.
 
2012-06-22 12:01:34 AM  
Welcome to Fark, ho
 
2012-06-22 12:02:34 AM  

SpaceyCat: I'm thinking it had more to do with the fact that she was a coach at the school of the guy she was screwing around with rather than the age. Paid school employee farking a student of that school is just bad PR.


I would be fine with this, but the charge does not reflect that particular crime. Felony child seduction is bullshiat.
 
2012-06-22 12:02:38 AM  
Why is "Lincoln Assassination" a tag for this?

I mean, someone was shot in the head, but they survived...
 
2012-06-22 12:04:15 AM  
Here's the problem with America: you have people paid to coach cheerleading.
 
2012-06-22 12:06:38 AM  

Gwendolyn: Mad not made. I have lost my command of the English language.


No worries. I thought kne was gaelic for "drunken tales of wild sex with redheads" in an earlier thread.
Well... that's how I chose to interpret it during this boring seminar today :p

Carry on!
 
2012-06-22 12:06:40 AM  

stuffer: So dude gets a bj in parking lot, then goes and tells police without getting laid? I would have kept my mouth shut gotten some. I wonder what he was thinking.


I'll bet you he bragged to his pals, who told their pals...
And wait a farkin' minute, BJs ain't sex, are they?
 
2012-06-22 12:07:27 AM  
So the one time "Hottie" could have been appropriately used, it wasn't. Interesting.
 
2012-06-22 12:08:26 AM  

Marine1: Why is "Lincoln Assassination" a tag for this?

I mean, someone was shot in the head, but they survived...


Well played, sir. Bravo. Slowclap.jpg
 
2012-06-22 12:09:01 AM  
A couple of the pictures are meh, but yes I probably would
 
2012-06-22 12:09:37 AM  
Shelbyville High School

Next thing you know she's going to try to steal our lemon tree...


Marine1: Why is "Lincoln Assassination" a tag for this?

I mean, someone was shot in the head, but they survived...


Didn't notice that until you mentioned it. Weird.
 
2012-06-22 12:10:23 AM  
5 years?! Really? Ridiculous.
 
2012-06-22 12:10:37 AM  
Maybe the farkwad wanted more and she wasn't up to it?
 
2012-06-22 12:10:44 AM  

doglover: 22 and 17 is marriage age.

farkin' change these laws already. I don't want prosecutors who take these cases to get paid. At all. They're a frivilous waste of taxpayer money, LEOs, and judical resouces in general.

22 and 7? CRIME
22 and 17? NOT

Is it so freakin' hard to figure out!?


People like you continue to not understand -- it isn't about the age, it's about the lack of legal consent especially when a person is in a position of authority. In fact, even people who are fully legally adult can still end up in similar situations if there is any position or power involved -- if your boss says "let's date" you can legally claim rape because in many cases there is no possibility to consider it consent.

If teachers and coaches are looking at their classes as dating pools, it is pretty sick, predatory behavior.

Now, the only thing in this case it is not quite clear what "position of authority" she held over the student. I would agree it is dumb it she was only peripherally related to the school or that particular student, and it does say she wasn't a teacher or coaching the guy.

Anyway, there is absolutely no way that a kid can legally consent to an adult in a position of authority, no matter how horny they are..
 
2012-06-22 12:11:14 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Virtual Pariah: This is ridiculous.

Teachers. No matter what your age, stop going after the under 18 crowd. It never works and you give your students leverage against you.
Even if it was consensual, it won't remain so.

Just stop it already.

Don't understand that myself. Especially for the good looking women. Are biatches really this stupid or is this a new development?


The main problem is that what we consider proper in modern American society is fighting against millions of years of biology. After all, putting 22 year olds with 16 year olds was called "match making" not so long ago in western history (and still is in many areas of the world).

It is, in a way, a "first world problem".
 
2012-06-22 12:11:15 AM  
Friggin' Brits. Shelbyville HS is in Shelbyville, not Indianapolis.
 
2012-06-22 12:11:45 AM  
According to the probable cause Crafton performed sex acts on the 17-year-old student in her vehicle in this Shelbyville parking lot.

i.imgur.com

...and they say romance is dead!
 
2012-06-22 12:11:54 AM  
isn't that what cheerleaders do when they aren't dancing for the crowd?
 
2012-06-22 12:13:37 AM  

jabelar: Anyway, there is absolutely no way that a kid can legally consent to an adult in a position of authority, no matter how horny they are..


That kid is above the age of consent, so is not a "kid" with regards to this conversation.

The authority bit is another matter entirely. Still not deserving of a felony charge, though.
 
2012-06-22 12:14:28 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy:

Or sure. But Jerry Sandusky touches a handful of boys and he's turned the bad one.

Here's one obvious difference: Jerry Sandusky is a creepy old man who couldn't get it just by asking politely.

This does not apply to "Megan Crafton, 22."

Note that the sex of the "offender" or the "victim" is not the issue: I'll bet "Megan Crafton, 22" could find willing female "victims" too.

And when I was a teenager "hustling" was popular: that consisted of (mostly, allegedly) straight boys letting gay men blow them for money. I was totally shocked when a handsome young cabdriver in Oklahoma City told me any guy who blew my 15 year old self for free was ripping me off, and that he apologized because he could only spare $15. I was dumbfounded: "Did I hear you right? You pay me to get me off?" Here I'd thought I was getting over by getting free BJs I didn't have to work, beg, pay or lie for.

Later on I met some guys who got paid by men to suck them off them and then paid a female hooker to perform the same act: that's basically getting two blowjobs for free.

Jerry Sandusky, on the other hand, appears to have used his "power" to exploit boys who were otherwise unwilling. I'll bet that, unlike me and the guys from the old neighborhood, these young guys did not go down to "the cruisy area" in tight pants and rub their bulges at cars that circled around the block.

See the difference yet?
 
2012-06-22 12:15:57 AM  
17-year-old student...
Megan Crafton, 22...
felony charge of child seduction...
not a teacher and did not coach the student but was in a position of authority.


I'm thinking they're going to have a tough time convicting. The relevant statute is IC 35-42-4-7 (edited for relevancy):
(d) As used in this section, "child care worker" means a person who:
(2) is employed by a:
(A) school corporation;

Sure, she's a "child care worker".

(k) If a person who:
(1) is at least eighteen (18) years of age; and
(2) is:
(A) the:
(ii) child care worker for;
a child at least sixteen (16) years of age but less than eighteen (18) years of age;
engages with the child in sexual intercourse, deviate sexual conduct (as defined in IC 35-41-1-9), or any fondling or touching with the intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of either the child or the adult, the person commits child seduction, a Class D felony.


If I were the defense, I'd hammer on that "for". The legislature clearly intended the statute to apply to teachers in positions of authority over that student. Not teachers who may teach other students, but have no other relationship to the victim beyond the sex.

Interestingly, if the jury agrees with the above, she's off scot free. Sexual misconduct with a minor in Indiana (35-42-4-9) requires the victim to be under 16.
 
2012-06-22 12:17:57 AM  

Dubai Vol: Lionel Mandrake:

If this woman ends up on a life-long sex offender list, the real criminals will be the DA, judge, etc.

You know that people are on sex offender registries for public urination, right?


And that "public" can mean behind a big bush in a big park with nobody else around -- except perhaps a bored cop in a bad mood who went looking for them?
 
2012-06-22 12:19:18 AM  
She's 5 years older than him, but I'm about 19 years older than her.
 
2012-06-22 12:20:05 AM  
I'd take me one of those Vanessa McClure's too.
 
2012-06-22 12:20:35 AM  
WhippingBoy:

If she's easy on the eyes, an acquittal you must realize.
If she's uglier than sin, the darkest prison she must be in.


Oh come on, some of the best head I ever got was from fuglies.

But that's not an invitation for you folks to line up, really. Really!
 
2012-06-22 12:22:47 AM  
Virtual Pariah:

No matter what your age, stop going after the under 18 crowd.

That's right, because obviously 17 years and 364 days is SO different from 18 years even.
 
2012-06-22 12:22:56 AM  

doglover: 22 and 17 is marriage age.

farkin' change these laws already. I don't want prosecutors who take these cases to get paid. At all. They're a frivilous waste of taxpayer money, LEOs, and judical resouces in general.

22 and 7? CRIME
22 and 17? NOT

Is it so freakin' hard to figure out!?


22 and 17 is not a crime in Indiana (age of consent there is 16). Having sex with a student who is under the age of 18 while an employee of an Indiana school, though, that's illegal.

This case is maybe borderline since the authority relationship isn't terribly close, sure, but the law in general isn't overall a bad thing, hitting a student while you work at a school is on par with using your position as the manager in an office building to convince the secretary to bang you.
 
2012-06-22 12:24:35 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x286]

This kind of stuff wouldn't happen in Springfield.


Came for The Simpsons jokes.

Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-06-22 12:25:01 AM  
... of course, that said, no 22 year old should be coaching high school kids. I mean, seriously. I know of a guy who was (properly) acquitted for this exact same crime, and yeah, he did it.
 
2012-06-22 12:25:54 AM  
Oh, sweet. She blew him.
 
2012-06-22 12:26:57 AM  

stuffer: So dude gets a bj in parking lot, then goes and tells police without getting laid? I would have kept my mouth shut gotten some. I wonder what he was thinking.


Who knows, but it's not that hard to come up with a realistic scenario where this kid going to the police makes a lot of sense. (Or at least her bosses at the school, who would have had the police on the phone immediately.)

Remember that one crazy 22-year-old you knew when you were 22? She made terrible life decisions, was out of control sexually, and was basically just obviously messed up? The one who came on to your loser ass like a ton of bricks, did things in bed that made you whimper with shame, got weirdly aggressive, then weirdly angry, then spent two weeks sobbing, then farked your brother, then you didn't hear from her for six months, then she called you up asking for bus fare to Orlando? In other words, the one who was responsible for three of the best and 38 of the worst days of your life?

Okay. So maybe she gets a job as a cheerleading coach. And maybe a little while after that awesome night in the car, this 17-year-old got a glimpse of something so messed up that it wasn't worth another BJ. She might have gotten violent, stalkerish, might have been trying to blackmail him, who knows.
 
2012-06-22 12:27:46 AM  

Dubai Vol: Lionel Mandrake:
If this woman ends up on a life-long sex offender list, the real criminals will be the DA, judge, etc.

You know that people are on sex offender registries for public urination, right?


Yeah - a friend got a P.U. citation and they were originally going to try to charge him as a sex offender. Luckily, they backed off.
 
2012-06-22 12:27:50 AM  

I sound fat: fusillade762: jaylectricity: The government pays for babies born to single moms.

They do??

Once again you bring a strange irrelevant assertion into a thread.

Are you actively TRYING to threadjack now?

And you are actively letting him.

/crap, me too. STOP US BEFORE WE HELP AGAIN


Weeeee! OK I surrender.
 
2012-06-22 12:28:17 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Having sex with a student who is under the age of 18 while an employee of an Indiana school, though, that's illegal.


It's arguable... That's one reading (which is clearly the prosecutor's reading), but I'd say it's narrower. The legislature didn't intend for that statute to apply to, say, the 19 year old superintendant's assistant secretary who farks the 17 year old senior. If they did, they wouldn't have included the language that the perpetrator must be a child care worker for the victim. Instead, they would have just said "child care worker; and engages in..." Since every word in a statute must be read to be intentional, that "for" must limit the sentence.
 
2012-06-22 12:40:03 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Virtual Pariah:

No matter what your age, stop going after the under 18 crowd.

That's right, because obviously 17 years and 364 days is SO different from 18 years even.


Only in the eyes of the law.
You know it's BS and I know it's BS. But it is what it is.
 
2012-06-22 12:40:25 AM  

The One True TheDavid: See the difference yet?


Uh, no. I think I was a little distracted.
 
2012-06-22 12:41:14 AM  

qualtrough: So the one time "Hottie" could have been appropriately used, it wasn't. Interesting.


i1184.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-22 12:42:24 AM  

Theaetetus: If I were the defense, I'd hammer on that "for". The legislature clearly intended the statute to apply to teachers in positions of authority over that student. Not teachers who may teach other students, but have no other relationship to the victim beyond the sex.

Interestingly, if the jury agrees with the above, she's off scot free. Sexual misconduct with a minor in Indiana (35-42-4-9) requires the victim to be under 16.


Reverse Cowgirl?
 
2012-06-22 12:42:32 AM  

Virtual Pariah: The One True TheDavid: Virtual Pariah:

No matter what your age, stop going after the under 18 crowd.

That's right, because obviously 17 years and 364 days is SO different from 18 years even.

Only in the eyes of the law.
You know it's BS and I know it's BS. But it is what it is.


A bright line rule may be BS, but it's much more pragmatic than a vague "we'll decide if your actions are criminal or not, and we won't tell you until after you've done them."
 
2012-06-22 12:46:41 AM  
www.shelbycs.org

And now boys and girls, it's time to play "Which Golden Bear did she suck off?"
I'm going with the guy in the back row, second from the left.
 
2012-06-22 12:48:05 AM  

varmitydog: And now boys and girls, it's time to play "Which Golden Bear did she suck off?"


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-22 12:49:14 AM  
Tony_Pepperoni:

I always find it weird when women go for younger men at that age, though.

Why? Would you at 22 turn down a 17 year old? Willingly, without a pang of "Oh but for 4 months and two weeks!" or something?

He was a 17 year old basketball player. Whether he was any good on the court or not he had to be better formed than a lot of males from puberty to infinity. Are hot young women not allowed to lust like "normal" people?

AFAICT she did nothing wrong. He, OTOH, sounds like a disgrace to Maledom.

He turned her in?!?
 
2012-06-22 12:50:41 AM  

semiotix: stuffer: So dude gets a bj in parking lot, then goes and tells police without getting laid? I would have kept my mouth shut gotten some. I wonder what he was thinking.

Who knows, but it's not that hard to come up with a realistic scenario where this kid going to the police makes a lot of sense. (Or at least her bosses at the school, who would have had the police on the phone immediately.)

Remember that one crazy 22-year-old you knew when you were 22? She made terrible life decisions, was out of control sexually, and was basically just obviously messed up? The one who came on to your loser ass like a ton of bricks, did things in bed that made you whimper with shame, got weirdly aggressive, then weirdly angry, then spent two weeks sobbing, then farked your brother, then you didn't hear from her for six months, then she called you up asking for bus fare to Orlando? In other words, the one who was responsible for three of the best and 38 of the worst days of your life?

Okay. So maybe she gets a job as a cheerleading coach. And maybe a little while after that awesome night in the car, this 17-year-old got a glimpse of something so messed up that it wasn't worth another BJ. She might have gotten violent, stalkerish, might have been trying to blackmail him, who knows.


Hey, you know my ex!
 
2012-06-22 12:51:39 AM  
i wish she did me
 
2012-06-22 12:52:44 AM  
 
2012-06-22 12:54:26 AM  
Ok, a few things.
1) a "cheerleading coach" is not a position of authority to anyone but a cheerleader. She didn't coach him. If a PTA single-mom decides to frak a 17 year old graduating senior, is she going to jail because she was in a "position of authority"? What about the school janitor? The Crossing guard? The president of the student-council?
2) It was 5 years age difference. My last lady was 10 years younger than me. Yeah, I used my position of authority to seduce her, that's what folks with means do. Arrest me for banging a 30 year old. I dare you.
3) What kind of horse-crap douche 17 year old man would go to the cops after that hottie beejed him? A moron, that is who. Did she use her teeth too much or something? Was she a spitter not a swallower? What exactly is his problem?
4) The age of consent in most states is 16 or lower. The man she blew was clearly older than that. I dont' see the crime.
5) If she has to register as a sex-offender, and still wants a man, I'm more than happy to volunteer to keep her happy and satisfied for a long long time. And, I dont' mind teeth!
 
2012-06-22 01:03:26 AM  

deltersmelter: Ok, a few things.
1) a "cheerleading coach" is not a position of authority to anyone but a cheerleader. She didn't coach him. If a PTA single-mom decides to frak a 17 year old graduating senior, is she going to jail because she was in a "position of authority"? What about the school janitor? The Crossing guard? The president of the student-council?

The term "position of authority" is in TFA; it's not in the statute. The law defines a "child care worker" as a school employee, or a person:
"(A) affiliated with a:
(i) school corporation;
(ii) charter school;
(iii) nonpublic school; or
(iv) special education cooperative;
attended by a child who is the victim of a crime under this chapter, regardless of how or whether the person is compensated;
(B) in a position of trust in relation to a child who attends the school or cooperative;
(C) engaged in the provision of care or supervision to a child who attends the school or cooperative; and
(D) at least four (4) years older than the child who is the victim of a crime under this chapter.
 
2012-06-22 01:06:42 AM  
jabelar:


Anyway, there is absolutely no way that a kid can legally consent to an adult in a position of authority, no matter how horny they are..


Strictly speaking, that's a very stupid way to view things.

Consider this: in the USA until the early 20th century all women were legally minors compared to all men. A 23 year old guy could marry a 40 year old lady and she would be unable to exercise the normal rights and prerogatives of adulthood unless he agreed. He was clearly in a position of authority over her. Therefore she could not consent to "marital relations" with her husband no matter how horny she was, right?

Art the same time, it was not considered perverted for a 40 year old man to marry a 16 year old woman. Back then 16 was prime breeding age (and for many women it still is). Young unmarried women would compete to catch the eye of the established widower.

Who's zoomin' who often depends on who's involved. There are no hard and fast rules applicable to everybody all the time.

So: those legally adult men who picked my teenaged self up from the "cruisy areas" where I'd stood rubbing my bulge at the cars that circled around and who paid me to give me a BJ were exploiting me, right? How mean of them! Oh how could they!

"Wake up, sheeple!"
 
2012-06-22 01:07:59 AM  
I'm not trying to sound crude when I say this, but I'd f#ck the dogshiat out of that teacher, consensually.
 
2012-06-22 01:08:24 AM  
Alphax:

She's 5 years older than him, but I'm about 19 years older than her.

She's welcome to exploit me even though I'm 49. Of course she can clearly get better, but I sure can't.
 
2012-06-22 01:08:41 AM  
But she's a farking cheerleader after all.
 
2012-06-22 01:10:57 AM  

The One True TheDavid: And when I was a teenager "hustling" was popular: that consisted of (mostly, allegedly) straight boys letting gay men blow them for money.


LOL news flash: if you "let" another guy have oral sex on you, you're gay.
 
2012-06-22 01:11:30 AM  

varmitydog: [www.shelbycs.org image 512x340]

And now boys and girls, it's time to play "Which Golden Bear did she suck off?"
I'm going with the guy in the back row, second from the left.


Nahh, not the skinny one. She was 22, had been to college, cheered enough to be a coach, and so was probably into the whole jock-physique thing. Assuming that she is not a wierdo who is into into very young men, the only baller in the pic that meets that criteria is the second from the right.

If she were a wierdo, then it is the semi-retard baller (probably the kid that sits the bench and washed the other jock-straps, orally) who is first from the left in the front row.
 
2012-06-22 01:12:39 AM  
She'll get off with a slap on the asswrist.
 
2012-06-22 01:13:07 AM  
i486.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-22 01:21:06 AM  
semiotix:


Okay. So maybe she gets a job as a cheerleading coach. And maybe a little while after that awesome night in the car, this 17-year-old got a glimpse of something so messed up that it wasn't worth another BJ. She might have gotten violent, stalkerish, might have been trying to blackmail him, who knows.


Or maybe he wanted more, or again, or asked for a "loan," and she turned him down. So he turned her in for "revenge." Frankly I think that's more likely.

In my day I knew some crazy women who weren't worth another BJ -- but none worth ruining their frigging lives over. Unless she used deadly weapons and inescapable chains that's just plain overkill.

Even if the guy's gay it's not a major crime. So you don't get in her car and pull down your jeans again; how hard is that?

Hey young d00ds, if you can't treat these older women right then don't let them blow you.

Maybe they'll eventually get frustrated enough to it on fugly antique farts like me who'll be flat-out grateful.
 
2012-06-22 01:22:22 AM  
"Yeah I would" what? Give her two black eyes?

i.dailymail.co.uk

/yeah, I would
 
2012-06-22 01:25:47 AM  
I know it's been said many times before, but I still have to ask....

Where were these nympho hottie teachers when I was in school?

I feel like I was robbed of a full education!
 
2012-06-22 01:27:21 AM  
img807.imageshack.us

"Suck me, beautiful"
 
2012-06-22 01:37:00 AM  

aerojockey: "Yeah I would" what? Give her two black eyes?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x558]

/yeah, I would


Hell, I did.
 
2012-06-22 01:37:21 AM  
Begoggle:

The One True TheDavid: And when I was a teenager "hustling" was popular: that consisted of (mostly, allegedly) straight boys letting gay men blow them for money.

LOL news flash: if you "let" another guy have oral sex on you, you're gay.


Or bi: even 80/20 counts. I agree: that's why I said '(mostly, allegedly) straight.'

The fact is a lot of these guys only had relations with men for money and would not let another guy their age suck them off without paying them. They weren't that gay. Most of these same guys grew up to be normal straight men with no homosexual inclinations: it was simply a way of making beer money.

This is why I have a hard time believing anybody is born gay or straight, or any male anyway: to quote Lenny Bruce, "men can fark mud." Have you heard of many farm boys who refused a real woman (or man, ATCMB) because they'd really rather have a cow?

Not that it matters, mind you: people have a right to consent to sex with people of their own sex whether they're "born that way" or not.

By the way, do you think female hookers walk around the stroll all night in those 17" heels because they can't get enough dick? If that was the case they'd be paying you. Some of them are really Lesbians and only do men for money or drugs.

CSB: In fact in my 20s I had the misfortune of being madly in love with a stone dyke coke whore. And refused to pay her or give her drugs, even if she'd do whatever I wanted and wouldn't touch me otherwise, because treating her like a prostitute would sully my tender feelings for her. (Boy was I confused.)
 
2012-06-22 01:39:12 AM  
My mom was 18 and my dad was 23 when I was born. That was in the 70s. This is garbage.
 
2012-06-22 01:39:50 AM  
According to Fox 59, Crafton is was engaged.
 
2012-06-22 01:42:46 AM  

keithdcmoore: Hey, you know my ex!


Only biblically. I was never actually all that clear on what her name was. Every time I asked she'd whip me and say "It does not address Mistress with its filthy whore mouth!"
 
2012-06-22 01:45:37 AM  
Jebus. These stories are getting lame. You and i and everyone else know he wanted it... And she's only five yrs older and not even HIS coach. Teenage boys like to fark. Older women, younger girs, whatever....
 
2012-06-22 01:49:12 AM  

Gwendolyn: This shiat is getting ridiculous. 22 and 17? really? Did he get made she wouldn't let him have her ass or something?


No, it seems like he shot his mouth off to some friends and the word got around. The 17 year-old is apparently a dumbass.
 
2012-06-22 01:50:01 AM  

Mugato: Oh come on. We joke about these cases but this has to be the most ridiculous one ever.


No, you'd be wrong.
 
2012-06-22 01:50:28 AM  
Is this a "Hate Crime", or merely white on white crime?
 
2012-06-22 01:53:30 AM  

dopekitty74: You and i and everyone else know he wanted it


... and? Shiat, there are 13 year olds who want it. When I was 13, I wanted it. Doesn't mean it's okay.
 
2012-06-22 02:24:16 AM  

Theaetetus: dopekitty74: You and i and everyone else know he wanted it

... and? Shiat, there are 13 year olds who want it. When I was 13, I wanted it. Doesn't mean it's okay.


Why isn't it okay, exactly? It's okay if it's with another 13 year old? What about a 13 year old with a 12 year old? Or a 14 year old with a 13 year old? How about 14 with 12? What about 15 with 13? At what point do the arbitrary numbers become meaningful? Yes, we have laws that say A is legal and B is illegal and C is a grey area that we don't want to tackle because it brings into question the actual reasons A and B exist.

I'm all for protecting kids from extraneous harm, but a lot of the laws dealing with teenagers and sex need to be looked at in a very serious way. We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

The supposed victim here is a 17 year old athlete. If she had waited a few more months it would have been fine? Or is it because she's a coach at that school that it's not okay? So if she waited a few months for him to graduate it would have been fine? So who is actually being protected here, again?

I see actual monsters all the time. Sometimes I'm unlucky enough to have to deal with them directly. This whole thing is procedural in nature. No ethics are involved unless you want to debate the ethics of sex for purposes other than procreation.
 
2012-06-22 02:27:54 AM  
Congratulations, Fark, I think this is the first time I've seen 'yeah you'd hit it' where I wouldn't run screaming.

Except the whole thing about sticking your dick in crazy.
 
2012-06-22 02:33:53 AM  

altrocks: Theaetetus: dopekitty74: You and i and everyone else know he wanted it

... and? Shiat, there are 13 year olds who want it. When I was 13, I wanted it. Doesn't mean it's okay.

Why isn't it okay, exactly? It's okay if it's with another 13 year old? What about a 13 year old with a 12 year old? Or a 14 year old with a 13 year old? How about 14 with 12? What about 15 with 13? At what point do the arbitrary numbers become meaningful? Yes, we have laws that say A is legal and B is illegal and C is a grey area that we don't want to tackle because it brings into question the actual reasons A and B exist.

I'm all for protecting kids from extraneous harm, but a lot of the laws dealing with teenagers and sex need to be looked at in a very serious way. We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

The supposed victim here is a 17 year old athlete. If she had waited a few more months it would have been fine? Or is it because she's a coach at that school that it's not okay? So if she waited a few months for him to graduate it would have been fine? So who is actually being protected here, again?

I see actual monsters all the time. Sometimes I'm unlucky enough to have to deal with them directly. This whole thing is procedural in nature. No ethics are involved unless you want to debate the ethics of sex for purposes other than procreation.


But 80 into 18 would have been ok. Icky, but ok.
 
2012-06-22 02:38:29 AM  
I assume the usual idiots have been in this thead saying the usual shiat about how men and women are exactly the same, and all "victims" have to be treated as equivalent to the most traumatized victims in history, and that the "boys will be boys" attitude must be stamped out because boys are pressured to say that sex is what they want, and that this woman must be punished harshly because she will just prey on someone again and what if it's a 1-year-old next time, and that you may have thought that a 22-year-old is what you wanted when you were a 17-year-old boy, but you didn't really know yourself and if you really had a 22-year-old back then you would have been traumatized too, and that even if a 22-year-old is what you wanted and you wouldn't have been traumatized by that, you still can't speak for all 17-year-old boys, and what if he were your son have you thought about that? And that if you've thought about him being your son and you're thinking "high five son!" then you are part of the problem and you are perpetuating the rape culture in which we live.
 
2012-06-22 02:39:08 AM  

dopekitty74: Jebus. These stories are getting lame. You and i and everyone else know he wanted it... And she's only five yrs older and not even HIS coach. Teenage boys like to fark. Older women, younger girs, whatever....


When I was 17, I'd be eyeing up the beef liver my mom brought home for dinner...
 
2012-06-22 02:41:15 AM  

Christian Bale: I assume the usual idiots have been in this thead saying the usual shiat about how men and women are exactly the same, and all "victims" have to be treated as equivalent to the most traumatized victims in history, and that the "boys will be boys" attitude must be stamped out because boys are pressured to say that sex is what they want, and that this woman must be punished harshly because she will just prey on someone again and what if it's a 1-year-old next time, and that you may have thought that a 22-year-old is what you wanted when you were a 17-year-old boy, but you didn't really know yourself and if you really had a 22-year-old back then you would have been traumatized too, and that even if a 22-year-old is what you wanted and you wouldn't have been traumatized by that, you still can't speak for all 17-year-old boys, and what if he were your son have you thought about that? And that if you've thought about him being your son and you're thinking "high five son!" then you are part of the problem and you are perpetuating the rape culture in which we live.


Actually, no one's said that. But thanks for playing.
 
2012-06-22 02:47:08 AM  

altrocks: Why isn't it okay, exactly? It's okay if it's with another 13 year old? What about a 13 year old with a 12 year old? Or a 14 year old with a 13 year old? How about 14 with 12? What about 15 with 13? At what point do the arbitrary numbers become meaningful?


It's not about the arbitrary numbers, but about the power differential. A 13 year old and a 12 year old don't have very much difference in power. Nor a 15 and 13 year old (as I know from experience, having been a 13 year old who said he was 15 to mess around with a 15 year old). The difference in power is what makes the relationship exploitative, and that's what we're trying to guard against. Age is a proxy for that, but it's not strictly accurate... rather, it's pragmatic.

Yes, we have laws that say A is legal and B is illegal and C is a grey area that we don't want to tackle because it brings into question the actual reasons A and B exist.

No, we'd be happy to tackle it. The problem is that it gets back to what I said before - leaving the gray area for the court means that you cannot predict whether your behavior is or is not criminal until after you've done it. It becomes a due process problem, not an issue of "we don't want to think about age differentials".

I'm all for protecting kids from extraneous harm, but a lot of the laws dealing with teenagers and sex need to be looked at in a very serious way. We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

[Citation needed]
I know the stories have come up, but I have yet to see one actually convicted and forced to register as a sex offender. I think your argument is based off urban legend and hyperbole.

The supposed victim here is a 17 year old athlete. If she had waited a few more months it would have been fine? Or is it because she's a coach at that school that it's not okay? So if she waited a few months for him to graduate it would have been fine? So who is actually being protected here, again?

Yes, if she waited for him to graduate, it would have been fine. And who's being protected are students who may be exploited by teachers in position of power. If you want to graduate and then return to school and fark your teachers, they don't hold your diploma in their hands. They can't fark with your grades or otherwise manipulate you, so it's no longer an issue.

I see actual monsters all the time. Sometimes I'm unlucky enough to have to deal with them directly. This whole thing is procedural in nature. No ethics are involved unless you want to debate the ethics of sex for purposes other than procreation.

No ethics are involved if you ignore exploitation of children by those with power, but I don't think that's a good thing to ignore.

You're upset that a bright line rule has some situations that fall close to the line. I agree, but that's the result of having a bright line rule. The alternative is ambiguity and "potential" crimes, which is worse. At least this way, you know "don't fool around with your students."
 
2012-06-22 03:11:30 AM  

SilentStrider: meh, five years difference in age? Not really seeing the big deal here.


wait whats the rule for girls... guys its half + 8?
 
2012-06-22 03:13:42 AM  
For everyone who's saying the kid was stupid for telling the cops: the impression I got from TFA was that rumors were swirling around (he probably bragged to his friends) and the cops launched an investigation. They questioned him and he told them. It's not like he went out of his way to narc.
 
2012-06-22 03:17:40 AM  
Let me get this straight:-

1. You're 17
2. You're getting a BJ
3. From a 22 year old woman
4. Who is hittable

and

5. You tell the cops????

I was stupid at 17, but not that stupid.
 
2012-06-22 03:20:16 AM  

Theaetetus: altrocks: Why isn't it okay, exactly? It's okay if it's with another 13 year old? What about a 13 year old with a 12 year old? Or a 14 year old with a 13 year old? How about 14 with 12? What about 15 with 13? At what point do the arbitrary numbers become meaningful?

It's not about the arbitrary numbers, but about the power differential. A 13 year old and a 12 year old don't have very much difference in power. Nor a 15 and 13 year old (as I know from experience, having been a 13 year old who said he was 15 to mess around with a 15 year old). The difference in power is what makes the relationship exploitative, and that's what we're trying to guard against. Age is a proxy for that, but it's not strictly accurate... rather, it's pragmatic.

Yes, we have laws that say A is legal and B is illegal and C is a grey area that we don't want to tackle because it brings into question the actual reasons A and B exist.

No, we'd be happy to tackle it. The problem is that it gets back to what I said before - leaving the gray area for the court means that you cannot predict whether your behavior is or is not criminal until after you've done it. It becomes a due process problem, not an issue of "we don't want to think about age differentials".

I'm all for protecting kids from extraneous harm, but a lot of the laws dealing with teenagers and sex need to be looked at in a very serious way. We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

[Citation needed]
I know the stories have come up, but I have yet to see one actually convicted and forced to register as a sex offender. I think your argument is based off urban legend and hyperbole.

The supposed victim here is a 17 year old athlete. If she had waited a few more months i ...


If this had actually been a teacher who had power over him, I would agree 100% with all you said. However, this was a cheerleading coach, not a teacher. The student was not a cheerleader and was not under her authority at any time whatsoever. So the exploitation angle is completely null. There was no power differential or conflicting interest here. It's a simple matter of age, which, by the way,differs from region to region. As noted by commenters on TFA, this would have been perfectly legal and fine in the U.K., but it's a felony in the highly repressed and Puritanical U.S. of A.

And as for citation: How about a CNN article with multiple accounts from across the country from 3 years ago? I didn't think I actually needed to cite something this old, well known and factually established, but I guess in today's world of factual opinions you can't be too careful. Still, it's not a myth or Urban Legend. You won't find it disputed on Snopes or anything. It's just a plain old fact, and one that most people don't seem to like.


The alternative is ambiguity and "potential" crimes, which is worse.

Here I have to disagree with you. Ambiguity is NOT the only alternative at all. You're setting up a false dichotomy. Right now each state has a cut-off age for these sorts of things. Possible alternative solutions include almost everything you can think of from completely removing any laws relating to it (sex is okay with anyone of any age who consents), all the way up to sex being allowed only after a license and contract have been procured for each encounter after a thorough process of psychological, physical and financial examination has been completed to ensure satisfactory outcomes. It's a spectrum, not an on-off switch.

Also, ambiguity is not necessarily a bad thing either. We used to call it "discretion" or "leeway". And people had to use things like wisdom and good sense to figure out what was appropriate and what was extreme. Now everything has to be codified and procedure is surely more important than anything else in the "justice" system. The letter of the law is all that exists these days, there is no spirit. Maybe some ambiguity wouldn't be terrible, especially when the laws are often written by people that have no business being legislators only to be enforced by those who have no business being officers of the law.
 
2012-06-22 03:24:32 AM  
Be aggressive! Beej be aggressive!
 
2012-06-22 03:25:39 AM  

varmitydog: [www.shelbycs.org image 512x340]

And now boys and girls, it's time to play "Which Golden Bear did she suck off?"
I'm going with the guy in the back row, second from the left.


It's easier to guess who ratted them out. The guy who she blew was one of the 4 in the back row - I'll say #50, but it seems like a 1 in 4 chance.
They were ratted out by one of 2 people: It was either the guy in the navy blue shirt standing farthest to the right, or the guy in the navy blue shirt sitting farthest to the right (middle row). One of those Poindexters tried to blackmail her into the same act and she refused. One in 2 chance.

And why the fark are there 6 coaches and 5 trolly girls sitting in the front? Are they athletic trainers or a pep squad? There's 11 support people and only 8 basketball players
 
2012-06-22 03:33:15 AM  
The student who turned her in needs to have his junk cut off. Seriously, a nice looking 22 year old WOMAN (and you are a damn kid!) gives you a BJ and you turn around and turn her in.

Really nice. Since he's of age to legally get married, the police should release his name. That way everyone can steer clear of this jackass, and parents can warn their daughters to keep this clown at a safe distance.

This is the type of guy who would receive a million bucks from someone and then report them to the IRS for tax evasion.
 
2012-06-22 03:50:39 AM  
With "Yea, you would" pic

subby don't lie.

basketball coach? It begs the question, double dribble?
 
2012-06-22 03:59:45 AM  
I committed three more serious crimes than this today. One, I ran across a 4-lane street instead of going to the crosswalk. Two, I didn't tip at the coffee place, because the guy was a butthole and didn't want to make the effort to give me the brew I asked for. Three, I got a grocery store discount when the manager used her card even though I actually don't belong to their club.

In conclusion, this kid should just come out already and stop wasting taxpayer money with his psychodrama.
 
2012-06-22 04:12:59 AM  
If that was my son, I'd disown his ass for taking this to the cops.
 
2012-06-22 05:18:00 AM  
Victim? More like the luckiest kid in school.
 
2012-06-22 05:24:22 AM  

Mugato: Oh come on. We joke about these cases but this has to be the most ridiculous one ever.


Position of authority trumps most everything else.
Or, at least, it should.
 
2012-06-22 05:42:31 AM  
So, I guess the engagement is off.. Right?
 
2012-06-22 06:04:00 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mugato: Oh come on. We joke about these cases but this has to be the most ridiculous one ever.

Position of authority trumps most everything else.
Or, at least, it should.


She's a farking cheerleader coach.
 
2012-06-22 06:28:18 AM  

SpaceyCat: I'm thinking it had more to do with the fact that she was a coach at the school of the guy she was screwing around with rather than the age. Paid school employee farking a student of that school is just bad PR.


And a breach of trust.
 
2012-06-22 06:50:48 AM  
Shelbyville High School?

Was the player her attractive cousin?
 
2012-06-22 06:56:43 AM  
And here I thought it was in the job description of cheerleaders and their coaches to do this sort of thing. I mean isn't it really? What other use are they?
 
2012-06-22 06:57:21 AM  
This would never have happened back when it was called Morganville.

/adjusts onion
 
2012-06-22 07:00:52 AM  

altrocks: As noted by commenters on TFA, this would have been perfectly legal and fine in the U.K., but it's a felony in the highly repressed and Puritanical U.S. of A.


They are wrong. Precisely the same principles apply here too: age of consent is 16 but not when there is a position of authority involved.

Her job in the school makes and should make no difference. It doesn't matter that she wasn't his teacher; she was a teacher and that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if you don't take chemistry (or cheerleading) classes - the chemistry (or cheerleading) teacher can take disciplinary action against you and that gives them authority.

Sorry, high fivers, but any member of school staff who has sex with a pupil is displaying cretinous stupidity and deserves everything they get.
 
2012-06-22 07:03:40 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This kind of stuff wouldn't happen in Springfield.


If all you farmers weren't so busy trying to fark a 17yr old, we could have had a Simpsons reference sooner.
 
2012-06-22 07:07:15 AM  

doglover: 22 and 17 is marriage age.

farkin' change these laws already. I don't want prosecutors who take these cases to get paid. At all. They're a frivilous waste of taxpayer money, LEOs, and judical resouces in general.

22 and 7? CRIME
22 and 17? NOT

Is it so freakin' hard to figure out!?


17 GOTO JAIL

JAIL:
CALL BUTTSEX
 
2012-06-22 07:09:31 AM  
Regardless of the ages involved here, I think the issue here is that a school employee was doing something sexual with a student at said school. That's never a good idea, in my opinion.
 
2012-06-22 07:12:00 AM  
She'll get fired, rightfully so, but that's about it. It's just in the news because OMG THE CHILDREN.

Is like every woman that wants to bang a really young child getting into teaching or something?
 
2012-06-22 07:16:32 AM  

booger42: Shelbyville High School?

Was the player her attractive cousin?


Came here looking for the Shelbyville-Cousin reference, left happy.

I've got a friend who is currently dating his cousin (for real), I keep inquiring as to how things are in Shelbyville.
 
2012-06-22 07:31:24 AM  
Wow a whole 5 year age difference where the youngest is the age of consent in most real states. What a great story... yawn.
 
2012-06-22 07:31:30 AM  
Okay, I don't normally do this, but I am going to here:

Guys - keep your farking piehole flapper closed, damn! Not just in cases like this, but in ALL cases.

Loose lips sinks your farking opportunity, you damned tard. Stop it!
 
2012-06-22 07:34:23 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: She'll get fired, rightfully so, but that's about it. It's just in the news because OMG THE CHILDREN.

Is like every woman that wants to bang a really young child getting into teaching or something?


I highly encourage this... as long as they're not fugly. Unlike those who just say the words, I really am concerned about the children.
 
2012-06-22 07:36:56 AM  
Link
Duck lip all over this one.
 
2012-06-22 07:39:39 AM  

hitlersbrain: I highly encourage this... as long as they're not fugly. Unlike those who just say the words, I really am concerned about the children.


It's rare for them to be very attractive, but it is weird how more of these stories happen every week. Are they just now being reported or is it a new thing? I don't know, I never had an attractive teacher.
 
2012-06-22 07:40:09 AM  

Christian Bale: I assume the usual idiots have been in this thead saying the usual shiat about how men and women are exactly the same, and all "victims" have to be treated as equivalent to the most traumatized victims in history, and that the "boys will be boys" attitude must be stamped out because boys are pressured to say that sex is what they want, and that this woman must be punished harshly because she will just prey on someone again and what if it's a 1-year-old next time, and that you may have thought that a 22-year-old is what you wanted when you were a 17-year-old boy, but you didn't really know yourself and if you really had a 22-year-old back then you would have been traumatized too, and that even if a 22-year-old is what you wanted and you wouldn't have been traumatized by that, you still can't speak for all 17-year-old boys, and what if he were your son have you thought about that? And that if you've thought about him being your son and you're thinking "high five son!" then you are part of the problem and you are perpetuating the rape culture in which we live.


Is this serious?
 
2012-06-22 07:43:32 AM  

proteon: Boy oh boy you guys go ape shaite for teachers farking a student.


Hot female teacher to student... Yes!

Anything else is depraved and should be severely punished... Hopefully by a hot female punishment specialist.
 
2012-06-22 07:46:37 AM  

altrocks: If this had actually been a teacher who had power over him, I would agree 100% with all you said. However, this was a cheerleading coach, not a teacher. The student was not a cheerleader and was not under her authority at any time whatsoever. So the exploitation angle is completely null. There was no power differential or conflicting interest here. It's a simple matter of age, which, by the way,differs from region to region. As noted by commenters on TFA, this would have been perfectly legal and fine in the U.K., but it's a felony in the highly repressed and Puritanical U.S. of A.


Well, yeah - as you notice, I said above that they're going to have a tough time convicting her. I thought we had moved on to talking about authority-based sex laws in general.

And as for citation: How about a CNN article with multiple accounts from across the country from 3 years ago? I didn't think I actually needed to cite something this old, well known and factually established, but I guess in today's world of factual opinions you can't be too careful. Still, it's not a myth or Urban Legend. You won't find it disputed on Snopes or anything. It's just a plain old fact, and one that most people don't seem to like.

Yes, it's a "plain old fact," but not the one you originally said:
We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

From your link:
Phillip Alpert found out the hard way. He had just turned 18 when he sent a naked photo of his 16-year-old girlfriend, a photo she had taken and sent him, to dozens of her friends and family after an argument.

He landed on the sex offender registry for the picture. She didn't land on it for the picture she "took of herself" as you said.
So, not an accurate citation for your earlier statement. As I said, I don't believe it's ever actually happened that a teen has had to register as a sex offender for "taking a picture of themselves".
 
2012-06-22 08:07:58 AM  

varmitydog:

And now boys and girls, it's time to play "Which Golden Bear did she suck off?"
I'm going with the guy in the back row, second from the left.


How do we even know she sucked off a golde....

Oh. Nevermind.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-22 08:19:21 AM  
A cheerleading coach was arrested after she allegedly performed oral sex on a 17-year-old student in her car.

...the teenage boy told police about the liaison which happened in the parking lot of a grocery store in January.


:RedForman.jpg:
 
2012-06-22 08:22:31 AM  

RibbyK: And wait a farkin' minute, BJs ain't sex, are they?


Hello, former President Clinton! I didn't realize you had a Fark account!
 
2012-06-22 08:27:15 AM  
It's a female so there's obviously no crime here.
 
Xai
2012-06-22 08:29:36 AM  
Wow the US is royally farked up - my parents met at that age. Laws like this protect real paedophiles.
 
2012-06-22 08:32:38 AM  
Failing to see the big deal here. Oh well, he's a dumbass for telling anyone.
 
2012-06-22 08:34:45 AM  

enik: It's a an attractive female so there's obviously no crime here.


Throwing mud at someone would probably be a crime, throwing wads of twenty dollar bills at someone would probably NOT be a crime. I can't think of a better analogy.
 
2012-06-22 08:44:18 AM  

Tony_Pepperoni: The question is, "Why did he rat her out?"


Because she was careless and he felt teeth?
 
2012-06-22 08:47:24 AM  
He is apparently, a huge faeggo and a D-bag who needs to shut his farking pie hole.
 
2012-06-22 08:50:08 AM  

Begoggle: The One True TheDavid: And when I was a teenager "hustling" was popular: that consisted of (mostly, allegedly) straight boys letting gay men blow them for money.

LOL news flash: if you "let" another guy have oral sex on you, you're gay.


Or a whore. Whores don't have to like it. They just have to be able to do it, and get paid.

Gay men manage to fantasize hot, male, and hairy enough to get it up and service straight women. Presumably, straight male whores can fantasize hot, curvy, and boobies enough to get it up and function for a gay beej.

I can't exactly wrap my brain around it enough to say for sure. Like a lot of women, I'm bi-trending "enough" to appreciate the female form, etc., even though guys are wunnerful and giving 'em up would be an absolute non-starter.

There's a lot of male whores who do both, and which they do most for fun, well, that depends on them.
 
2012-06-22 08:50:46 AM  
Oh Mickey you're so keen
I don't care you're seventeen
Hey Mickey!
Hey Mickey!
Oh Mickey you're so keen
I don't care you're seventeen
Hey Mickey!
Hey Mickey!
 
2012-06-22 08:58:27 AM  

FriarReb98: I don't know about "ever," but it's one that drives me nuts. It might be lame from the standpoint of the older person to be dating someone in high school, but illegal? No. We baby the fark out of high school kids in modern times, and this is just another version of the same old shiat.


SNOWFLAKES! THEY'RE JUST CHILDREN!

we baby the crap out of college kids for god's sake. look at the pepper spray incident when all those college adults suddenly became "children" in the eyes of the world.

When convenient for outrage, anyone is a "child"

this? this is just a case of idiot teacher (coach, not even a teacher) making a dumb decision for her "profession" and should just be labeled as that.
 
2012-06-22 08:59:42 AM  

stuffer: So dude gets a bj in parking lot, then goes and tells police without getting laid? I would have kept my mouth shut gotten some. I wonder what he was thinking.


Must be gay. I would have remained silence and continued to get blown.

Seriously, putting yourself in a postion to allow a teenager control over your life isn't smart. This kind of thing seems to be an issue of two people that can't have a normal relationship but think sex is the relationship. I would imagine a teens brain, not being fully developed, can't make rational decisions being blitzed by raging hormones. Why wouldn't he let her blow him? I would also think the woman got all weird on his ass and controlling to the point it freaked him out enough to expose her. Anything to stop crazy woman I suppose.
 
2012-06-22 09:06:45 AM  

phrawgh: According to Fox 59, Crafton is was engaged.


Maybe she got engaged after breaking things off with the jock. Doesn't mean she was cheating. Or maybe she and the fiance had/have an arrangement.

There are a whole lot more people out there with "arrangements" than you'd think. It's just that until you start being in the know, you'd never guess who they are. Then once you start being someone who's cool to know about that kind of thing, you start becoming aware of this whole tapestry of people you never had any idea about.

Because it's always all very quiet. And if it ever does come out as an "affair" one of them had, it's the kind of thing that's tearfully and publicly "forgiven" by a sainted "understanding" spouse. A spouse who is sainted and understanding because there wasn't any actual cheating to begin with--the spouse knew about it, it was clear under the arrangement, the spouse or boyfriend or fiance was just on the QT.

And, of course, the arrangement being mutual, the partner is getting their own strange on the QT, too.

So a lot of times when you see the "understanding and forgiving" spouse after an affair and you think what a gullible dumbshiat that person is--it's just that they're a bad actor or actress. They're playing the part of what they think a forgiving spouse should look like, as opposed to unindicted co-conspirator. :-)

They knew all along, they're doing it too, they just can't be open about it because our society--especially certain segments of it--frowns on that sort of thing.

So she may be in deep shiat with a now ex-fiance. Or she might not. All depends. Maybe he likes a little bit of strange on the side, too.
 
2012-06-22 09:09:47 AM  

9beers: Why is a site from the UK used so often for stories that happen in the USA?


There are not enough stories containing misogynistic, racist, homophobic, anti-immigrant or anti-Islam views, or just general outrage, for The Daily Hate Mail to issue their daily newsletter if they restrict themselves to news from the UK.

Also, given the source it is generally a good idea to assume that a few massive details are being omitted.
 
2012-06-22 09:11:19 AM  
static.moviefanatic.com

Mox wanted for questioning...
 
2012-06-22 09:13:57 AM  
Yeah, I would, even though she doesn't meat the half plus seven rule for me.
 
2012-06-22 09:20:52 AM  

THX 1138: Tony_Pepperoni: The question is, "Why did he rat her out?"

Because she was careless and he felt teeth?


This is the Daily Mail. It is safe to assume that key details are missing from the story.
 
2012-06-22 09:40:49 AM  
Obligatory where were those teachers when I was in high school?

Since she's a school official or representative of the school I guess it's a little understandable why they'd react as they did but to be honest I think they should have just fired her. Of course it could be that Indiana has some sexual harassment law that's worded so that ANY school official is in a position of power. Sometimes I feel like prosecutors should use more discretion when it comes to cases like this.
I'm only speaking from experience since I was a horny 17 yr old once. 22 and 17 is not a huge age gap, even intellectually. If it's a small town or if she wasn't the brightest bulb in her cheerleading group, her life is/was probably all about high school so she felt more like a student than a teacher.
 
2012-06-22 09:45:41 AM  
I think the story is off a little. It states she's engaged. I'm guessing that status has changed or soon will.

/Hey, try not to suck any dick on the way through the parking lot!
 
2012-06-22 09:51:22 AM  

doglover: 22 and 17 is marriage age.

farkin' change these laws already. I don't want prosecutors who take these cases to get paid. At all. They're a frivilous waste of taxpayer money, LEOs, and judical resouces in general.

22 and 7? CRIME
22 and 17? NOT

Is it so freakin' hard to figure out!?


No shiat, though the 22 year old here is a woman, thus she'll more likely walk. Still, what kind of prude can think that even if the sexes were reversed this should be prosecuted? I can see her being fired for being unprofessional as fark, but tossed into jail? Most 22 year olds aren't much more mature than 17 year olds in my experience, they should have hired someone older/not close to their students' peer group.
 
2012-06-22 09:54:05 AM  

9beers: Why is a site from the UK used so often for stories that happen in the USA?


Because they are not expected to censor things for political correctness, especially for events occurring outside the UK.

/they're might be some anti-Americanism too, but it's nothing compared to the Guardian
 
2012-06-22 09:59:17 AM  

jabelar: doglover: 22 and 17 is marriage age.

farkin' change these laws already. I don't want prosecutors who take these cases to get paid. At all. They're a frivilous waste of taxpayer money, LEOs, and judical resouces in general.

22 and 7? CRIME
22 and 17? NOT

Is it so freakin' hard to figure out!?

People like you continue to not understand -- it isn't about the age, it's about the lack of legal consent especially when a person is in a position of authority. In fact, even people who are fully legally adult can still end up in similar situations if there is any position or power involved -- if your boss says "let's date" you can legally claim rape because in many cases there is no possibility to consider it consent.

If teachers and coaches are looking at their classes as dating pools, it is pretty sick, predatory behavior.

Now, the only thing in this case it is not quite clear what "position of authority" she held over the student. I would agree it is dumb it she was only peripherally related to the school or that particular student, and it does say she wasn't a teacher or coaching the guy.

Anyway, there is absolutely no way that a kid can legally consent to an adult in a position of authority, no matter how horny they are..


16 is the age of legal consent* (even though it isn't the age of full legal adulthood/majority) in a lot of areas in the US. Interpret these sorts of posts as people advocating for a more sensible age of consent.

*In some places there is a caveat about age differences between partners but really is anyone served by prosecuting a 19 year old college freshmen who hooked up with a 17 high school girl when she snuck into the party? Would she really be much more mature if she waited six months etc. for a drunken college hookup?
 
2012-06-22 10:19:47 AM  

jpo2269: static.moviefanatic.com

Mox wanted for questioning...


Oh yes, the scene that made me fall hard for Ali Larter. Thanks for posting!
 
2012-06-22 10:26:12 AM  
altrocks:

The letter of the law is all that exists these days, there is no spirit. Maybe some ambiguity wouldn't be terrible, especially when the laws are often written by people that have no business being legislators only to be enforced by those who have no business being officers of the law.

Good point, actually.
 
2012-06-22 10:27:14 AM  

rnatalie: booger42: Shelbyville High School?

Was the player her attractive cousin?

Came here looking for the Shelbyville-Cousin reference, left happy.

I've got a friend who is currently dating his cousin (for real), I keep inquiring as to how things are in Shelbyville.


I find the dueling bango's thing also works well too.
 
2012-06-22 10:33:11 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

Black and white horizontal stripes are never a good choice to wear in court.
 
2012-06-22 10:36:18 AM  
Smiths:

When convenient for outrage, anyone is a "child"

I'm mentally a child! 49 is my IQ as well as my age!

But I haven't been victimized by a hot blonde in tears. How many drinks does a guy have to but to get blown around here?
 
2012-06-22 10:38:27 AM  
Julie Cochrane:


So she may be in deep shiat with a now ex-fiance. Or she might not. All depends. Maybe he likes a little bit of strange on the side, too.


Some guys like to watch and/or sell tickets. And two-guy-on-gal threesomes are easier to arrange.
 
2012-06-22 11:07:25 AM  
What I think is funny is that at 16 we allow teens to start driving, yet they cant decide who they want to have sex with.

Tell me, whats more dangerous:

A 16 year old driving a 5000Lb SUV @ 70 mph

or

A 16 year old having sex with a 25 year old?


If they are responsible enough to be allowed to drive, possibly effecting the lives of everyone around them, they should be able to decide who they have sex with.
 
2012-06-22 11:19:14 AM  
Obligatory:

Where were these teachers/coaches when I was going to school?
 
2012-06-22 11:33:22 AM  
What, no Facebook or Twitter account listed yet? Farkers, you're slipping.

Here's a little something to get the ball rolling

Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
Pic 4

/They'll all pop
//Like all the farkers will too!
 
2012-06-22 11:35:55 AM  
I was just wondering how the 17 year old dealt with all twenty of them...
 
2012-06-22 11:36:49 AM  

Theaetetus: altrocks: If this had actually been a teacher who had power over him, I would agree 100% with all you said. However, this was a cheerleading coach, not a teacher. The student was not a cheerleader and was not under her authority at any time whatsoever. So the exploitation angle is completely null. There was no power differential or conflicting interest here. It's a simple matter of age, which, by the way,differs from region to region. As noted by commenters on TFA, this would have been perfectly legal and fine in the U.K., but it's a felony in the highly repressed and Puritanical U.S. of A.

Well, yeah - as you notice, I said above that they're going to have a tough time convicting her. I thought we had moved on to talking about authority-based sex laws in general.

And as for citation: How about a CNN article with multiple accounts from across the country from 3 years ago? I didn't think I actually needed to cite something this old, well known and factually established, but I guess in today's world of factual opinions you can't be too careful. Still, it's not a myth or Urban Legend. You won't find it disputed on Snopes or anything. It's just a plain old fact, and one that most people don't seem to like.

Yes, it's a "plain old fact," but not the one you originally said:
We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. Who is being protected there?

From your link:
Phillip Alpert found out the hard way. He had just turned 18 when he sent a naked photo of his 16-year-old girlfriend, a photo she had taken and sent him, to dozens of her friends and family after an argument.

He landed on the sex offender registry for the picture. She didn't land on it for the picture she "took of herself" as you said.
So, not an accurate citation for you ...


Read further down the article. There is more than just one story in it.
 
2012-06-22 11:42:01 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: What I think is funny is that at 16 we allow teens to start driving, yet they cant decide who they want to have sex with.

Tell me, whats more dangerous:

A 16 year old driving a 5000Lb SUV @ 70 mph

or

A 16 year old having sex with a 25 year old?


If they are responsible enough to be allowed to drive, possibly effecting the lives of everyone around them, they should be able to decide who they have sex with.


Also what they smoke and drink.

/Just sayin...
 
2012-06-22 11:43:43 AM  
The seventeen year-old told police about it? He's the idiot. I would keep it on the down-low so I can hit it multiple times.
 
2012-06-22 12:06:53 PM  
jabelar: "... if your boss says 'let's date' you can legally claim rape because in many cases there is no possibility to consider it consent."

Not sure if serious, but I'll bite. No, you couldn't claim "rape" just because your boss asks for a date. You could, however, claim "sexual harassment" due to a hostile work environment, especially if you declined the offer and s/he continued asking for dates. I know there are a lot of attempts to broaden the definition of rape, but this must be one of the lamest I've seen in a while.

\has never dated a co-worker and believes it's a bad idea in general.
 
2012-06-22 12:08:32 PM  

Philimus: \has never dated a co-worker and believes it's a bad idea in general.


I have, and it is a bad idea in general.
 
2012-06-22 12:10:44 PM  

The One True TheDavid: FTA: "The 22-year-old is not a teacher and did not coach the student but was in a position of authority. "

What did she do, order him to submit to an unwanted BJ?

Oh please, please don't throw me into that beej patch!


So much this.
 
2012-06-22 12:13:15 PM  
I dislike dealing in absolutes, but this is the exception. The 17 y.o in this story is definately the dumbest human being in the history of mankind.
 
2012-06-22 12:15:42 PM  
Probably been said, but that's a rough 22.

/damn rough
 
2012-06-22 12:46:28 PM  

Khryswhy: What, no Facebook or Twitter account listed yet? Farkers, you're slipping.

Here's a little something to get the ball rolling

Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
Pic 4

/They'll all pop
//Like all the farkers will too!


Nice work.

Yeah, I would.
 
2012-06-22 01:14:24 PM  

Khryswhy: What, no Facebook or Twitter account listed yet? Farkers, you're slipping.

Here's a little something to get the ball rolling

Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
Pic 4

/They'll all pop
//Like all the farkers will too!


Damn, she's on her knees so much she wore out her jeans.
 
2012-06-22 01:46:48 PM  

semiotix: stuffer: So dude gets a bj in parking lot, then goes and tells police without getting laid? I would have kept my mouth shut gotten some. I wonder what he was thinking.

Who knows, but it's not that hard to come up with a realistic scenario where this kid going to the police makes a lot of sense. (Or at least her bosses at the school, who would have had the police on the phone immediately.)

Remember that one crazy 22-year-old you knew when you were 22? She made terrible life decisions, was out of control sexually, and was basically just obviously messed up? The one who came on to your loser ass like a ton of bricks, did things in bed that made you whimper with shame, got weirdly aggressive, then weirdly angry, then spent two weeks sobbing, then farked your brother, then you didn't hear from her for six months, then she called you up asking for bus fare to Orlando? In other words, the one who was responsible for three of the best and 38 of the worst days of your life?

Okay. So maybe she gets a job as a cheerleading coach. And maybe a little while after that awesome night in the car, this 17-year-old got a glimpse of something so messed up that it wasn't worth another BJ. She might have gotten violent, stalkerish, might have been trying to blackmail him, who knows.


That's completely plausible, but you're ignoring the important thing here, which is that there are a lot of Farkers who couldn't score at all during high school, let alone with a hot blonde, and they've got some sour grapes to share.
 
2012-06-22 01:52:48 PM  

doglover: 22 and 17 is marriage age.

farkin' change these laws already. I don't want prosecutors who take these cases to get paid. At all. They're a frivilous waste of taxpayer money, LEOs, and judical resouces in general.

22 and 7? CRIME
22 and 17? NOT

Is it so freakin' hard to figure out!?


in KY the law is 16 and 5 years

so 16 and 21 Ok
16 and 22 Bad
17 and 22 OK

Here she would have been fine. However she would probably still get fired.
 
2012-06-22 01:58:13 PM  
I heard my local radio station use the formula "half your age plus seven years" to be the absolute minimum age you should date. Works in almost all instances, making this girl a straight up whooer.
And yes i would...
 
2012-06-22 02:00:24 PM  
Old Shelbyvillian Man: And with that, a mighty cheer went up from the heroes of Shelbyville. They had banished the awful lemon tree forever, because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice.
 
2012-06-22 02:05:33 PM  
When I saw "click below for video", I actually thought to myself 'really? No way' before realizing it was just the video of the news report.
 
2012-06-22 02:37:58 PM  
If that is molestation I wish the curse on every young lad.
 
2012-06-22 02:42:33 PM  

altrocks: Read further down the article. There is more than just one story in it.


Yeah, there's a story about a girl who received a letter saying she'd have to attend reeducation classes or she would be charged, and she filed a lawsuit to prevent charges from being filed. As of yet, charges haven't been filed, she hasn't been convicted, and she's not on a sex offender registry.

Again, you said: "We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. "

As of yet, you haven't shown any. You've shown one guy who was convicted for spreading a picture of someone else that he didn't take. You've shown one girl who received a threatening letter, but hasn't been charged, convicted, or registered.
There's a third story in there of a girl who hung herself, and it even notes no charges have been filed against her boyfriend... but even if they are, it again wouldn't be taking a picture of himself that lands him on the sex offender registry.

Again, I repeat: I don't believe it's ever actually happened that a teen has had to register as a sex offender for "taking a picture of themselves".
 
2012-06-22 02:46:25 PM  

Julie Cochrane: Begoggle: The One True TheDavid: And when I was a teenager "hustling" was popular: that consisted of (mostly, allegedly) straight boys letting gay men blow them for money.

LOL news flash: if you "let" another guy have oral sex on you, you're gay.

Or a whore. Whores don't have to like it. They just have to be able to do it, and get paid.

Gay men manage to fantasize hot, male, and hairy enough to get it up and service straight women. Presumably, straight male whores can fantasize hot, curvy, and boobies enough to get it up and function for a gay beej.

I can't exactly wrap my brain around it enough to say for sure. Like a lot of women, I'm bi-trending "enough" to appreciate the female form, etc., even though guys are wunnerful and giving 'em up would be an absolute non-starter.

There's a lot of male whores who do both, and which they do most for fun, well, that depends on them.


You obviously don't have a penis. At a certain age it doesn't matter if they fantasize or not - any stimulation is more than enough.

What's that? Wind from a butterfly across the ocean? BAM! Instant erection.

It has been a lot of years but man, I kind of miss those days. I'm just glad the thing still works. I retired and got a much younger missus, so I understand an attraction to younger as it only makes sense. However, from a position of power (which I'm not at all sure this is) it is bad. How bad it is should be up to the courts if it needs to make it that far. I expect a follow-up with a plea agreement.
 
2012-06-22 02:52:06 PM  

Theaetetus: altrocks: Read further down the article. There is more than just one story in it.

Yeah, there's a story about a girl who received a letter saying she'd have to attend reeducation classes or she would be charged, and she filed a lawsuit to prevent charges from being filed. As of yet, charges haven't been filed, she hasn't been convicted, and she's not on a sex offender registry.

Again, you said: "We have teens who are registered sex offenders because they were convicted of possessing child pornography after taking pictures of themselves with their phone (and distribution of child porn if they sent it to anyone). This isn't hypothetical, it's actually happened multiple times. "

As of yet, you haven't shown any. You've shown one guy who was convicted for spreading a picture of someone else that he didn't take. You've shown one girl who received a threatening letter, but hasn't been charged, convicted, or registered.
There's a third story in there of a girl who hung herself, and it even notes no charges have been filed against her boyfriend... but even if they are, it again wouldn't be taking a picture of himself that lands him on the sex offender registry.

Again, I repeat: I don't believe it's ever actually happened that a teen has had to register as a sex offender for "taking a picture of themselves".


Meh... I'm still looking for the ones on the list for peeing. I've gone through my entire county (it wasn't that long of a list) and not one of them is on there for anything similar. One of my good friends is a judge in the Franklin County District Court, so they're unlikely to do anything but move a case of that nature up the ladder and I think they only sit at District and not Superior, was helpful in telling me that they've never heard of such a case in Maine but couldn't speak to other states.

Two areas where I tend to agree with you... Trademark and copyright so I guess that's one area, law. The first two are because you seem to know your shiat and thus the rest defaults into a 'probably knows' but it's close enough for me.
 
2012-06-22 03:30:15 PM  
Sultan Of Herf:


If they are responsible enough to be allowed to drive, possibly effecting the lives of everyone around them, they should be able to decide who they have sex with.


Why do you hate America?!?
 
2012-06-22 03:57:43 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Julie Cochrane:


So she may be in deep shiat with a now ex-fiance. Or she might not. All depends. Maybe he likes a little bit of strange on the side, too.

Some guys like to watch and/or sell tickets. And two-guy-on-gal threesomes are easier to arrange.


Really? I've heard they're much harder to arrange. There are a lot more women who are just a bit bi, for one thing. For another thing, it seems to be that as much as guys say they think a threesome would be cool, they're really thinking FFM or FMF.

I've heard that with guys who are bi enough to include a gal in their threesome, or who are straight but kinky enough to add somebody, 2 dicks in the bed can be a source of major freak out.

Which is weird, because if you add a few guys and call it a gang bang, no guy feels gay for participating, even though there's just one girl and lots of guys involved in the sex.

I do not, alas, have a real life basis for knowledge. The men I've met are not up to my stan...er...have sharp kne....er....I have no life.


/Not to disparage myself too much--I like my health, I'm too picky to screw people I don't know and like.
//It might or might not be nice if my real life was this uninhibited. I have eclectic tastes in pron.
///What, you don't?
 
2012-06-22 04:19:33 PM  
i.huffpost.com

Oh hell yes
 
2012-06-22 04:25:13 PM  
I say if the are 14 or above the grovernment should stay the hell out of it unless it was forced rape. If you can talk a 17 year old into sex then more power to you.
 
2012-06-22 04:34:31 PM  
Heard from the coach:

Gimme an 'O' !
 
2012-06-22 04:38:04 PM  

Dubai Vol: Lionel Mandrake:
If this woman ends up on a life-long sex offender list, the real criminals will be the DA, judge, etc.

You know that people are on sex offender registries for public urination, right?


it was the middle of the night, there were no kids there!
 
2012-06-22 04:50:15 PM  
MONORAIL!
 
2012-06-22 04:56:08 PM  
Cops: I gotta ask, son: This story sounds incredible, and I'd think you're pretty lucky here. Why are you telling the police?

Kid: Heck, I'm telling everyone!
 
2012-06-23 12:29:16 AM  
Felony charge? For a five-year age difference where the 'victim' is going to be a legal adult in less than a year? I'm sorry, but the law is really going too far here. And I'm normally a solid defender of the law. Criminalising plausible behaviour with minimally attributable 'harm' as a felony is just overkill.

First of all, there's not a 17-year-old boy alive who wouldn't want to nail a 22-year-old hottie. And 22-year-olds were 17 years old recently enough to understand that.

Did she break the rules? Yes. Did she break the law? Yes. Does she deserve to lose her job over this? Yes. Does she deserve go to jail for it and be labelled a sex offender the rest of her life? Puh-leeze.

I am NOT saying it should be ignored, or she should be let of the hook, or there should be no such law. I AM saying that the law can be structured to be a lot more sensible than this. By drawing such a sharp bright line at the age of majority , we quite literally differentiate people who will turn 18 five minutes from now as "minors" and even "children," and ten minutes later be happy to lock them as adults. If the kid turned 18 at midnight and she unzipped his pants one minute before midnight, does it make any sense at all to treat that differently than if it was two minutes later?

We do need such laws, and they must be enforced. But let the law be rational enough to discern the difference between two young people gettin' busy and an actual grown-up seducing and victimising an actual child -- which did NOT happen here, no matter how the letter of the law reads.
 
2012-06-23 03:40:39 AM  

Julie Cochrane: The One True TheDavid: Julie Cochrane:


So she may be in deep shiat with a now ex-fiance. Or she might not. All depends. Maybe he likes a little bit of strange on the side, too.

Some guys like to watch and/or sell tickets. And two-guy-on-gal threesomes are easier to arrange.

Really? I've heard they're much harder to arrange. There are a lot more women who are just a bit bi, for one thing. For another thing, it seems to be that as much as guys say they think a threesome would be cool, they're really thinking FFM or FMF.

I've heard that with guys who are bi enough to include a gal in their threesome, or who are straight but kinky enough to add somebody, 2 dicks in the bed can be a source of major freak out.

Which is weird, because if you add a few guys and call it a gang bang, no guy feels gay for participating, even though there's just one girl and lots of guys involved in the sex.

I do not, alas, have a real life basis for knowledge. The men I've met are not up to my stan...er...have sharp kne....er....I have no life.


/Not to disparage myself too much--I like my health, I'm too picky to screw people I don't know and like.
//It might or might not be nice if my real life was this uninhibited. I have eclectic tastes in pron.
///What, you don't?


You should get to know me. You'd like me.
 
2012-06-23 10:36:29 AM  

basham: /Not to disparage myself too much--I like my health, I'm too picky to screw people I don't know and like.
//It might or might not be nice if my real life was this uninhibited. I have eclectic tastes in pron.
///What, you don't?

You should get to know me. You'd like me.


o/~ I was drinking last night with a biker
and I showed him a picture of you
I said pal get to know her, you'll like her
seemed like the least I could do
seemed like the least I could do o/~

Heh. Reminds me of the song. :-) And yeah, I'm enjoying the ride. Not a Dominatrix, though.

As for getting to know you and liking you---Nevada is a little out of my huntibeing hunted range. :-)
 
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