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(Toronto Star)   $143 to install a pencil sharpener, $3000 for a power outlet, $250,000 kitchen. These overcharges are for: a) Goldman Sachs headquarters, b) Halliburton's newest executive suite, c) School board facing $109m in cuts   (thestar.com) divider line 22
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2012-06-22 12:48:21 AM
2 votes:
why would you ever need a union to deal with a local government unless your goal was to fleece the public?

all those cases down through history that never happened of local government forcing harsh conditions and unfair wages on their employees?
all those historical cases that don't exist of local government company stores where credit was given to government employees for shoddy goods with jacked up prices? all those historical cases that don't exist of local government child labor factories?

the raison d'etre of public unions isn't to secure fair employment terms. those already exist everywhere and have been codified by the legislature or guaranteed by the constitution and the supreme court of the united states.

the raison d'etre of the public union is to secure above market value terms that are available only to entities that are negotiating from a monopoly position where by union friendly government decree literally no one else is available to do the job but the union. where there literally is no competition.

when working conditions, generous benefit packages, and fair wages are already guaranteed the only raison d'etre left is to f*ck over the public as hard as humanly possible. there is literally no one negotiating on the other side of these assholes a good portion of the time.

public unions are against public interest and should be illegal.
2012-06-22 12:43:51 AM
2 votes:
Ugh.

Look, I vote Conservative at the federal level but I also believe that unions have a role to play. Workers need protections from "job creators" and companies that would fark them over without even thinking twice. But come on. It's shiat like this that make all unions look completely ridiculous. It's idiots like Jimmy who are going to turn public opinion against all of them.

At the school I teach at, the caretaker installed a pencil sharpener. It took her about 3 minutes, and was just part of her regular salary.
2012-06-22 12:06:08 AM
2 votes:

Miss Stein: $143 to install a pencil sharpener, $3000 for a power outlet, $250,000 kitchen.

That's nothing. The CEO and CFO at my last job drove the company into the ground, to the tune of $100 million, in just three years. So what did they do after that? They had their Administration department completely remodeled, at a cost of $4 million, including original artwork, $600 microwaves, and $14,000 sidechairs, while laying off 20% of the employees. Greedy, stupid bastards.


THIS

Unions are greedy and stupid, but to wreak financial havoc requires a few 1%'ers
2012-06-22 12:02:08 AM
2 votes:
$143 to install a pencil sharpener, $3000 for a power outlet, $250,000 kitchen.

That's nothing. The CEO and CFO at my last job drove the company into the ground, to the tune of $100 million, in just three years. So what did they do after that? They had their Administration department completely remodeled, at a cost of $4 million, including original artwork, $600 microwaves, and $14,000 sidechairs, while laying off 20% of the employees. Greedy, stupid bastards.
2012-06-21 11:53:12 PM
2 votes:

Slaxl: "We don't need to f------ prove anything to anybody about costs," Hazel said. "A s---load more work was done to justify the cost of that plug job I can tell you."

What an intelligently made argument, he's won me over. I'd like to see a report of the shiatload more work that was done.


I'm about as pro-union as they come, but this Hazel guy sounds like an absolutely power-crazed asshole.

Between shiat like this and a situation here in Portland where two different unions have basically ground a port to a halt over who gets to plug in refrigerated cargo containers, unions seem intent on feeding their opponents plenty of ammunition to destroy them with.
2012-06-21 11:52:43 PM
2 votes:

optikeye: Slaxl: What an intelligently made argument, he's won me over. I'd like to see a report of the shiatload more work that was done.

One time a Doctor where I worked insisted a power outlet be installed on a certain wall. And wouldn't take no. What he couldn't grasp was that it was a solid poured concrete fire wall and couldn't understand the labor and cost involved. "Just put an outlet there!"


An external conduit with mounting brackets every 2-3 feet and an external box for the plugs. I've done it myself, and it wasn't that difficult. A drill, hacksaw and electric screwdriver was all I needed. Wouldn't have really needed to use the electric screwdriver if I had a drill bit for screws. Granted, I didn't do the wiring - I left that to a real electrician, but putting the rest of the stuff wasn't that tough.
2012-06-21 09:51:58 PM
2 votes:
Absolutely astonishing just how many "clerical errors" that union manages to discover when called on things.

Contract's up for renewal in Aug. Here's an idea, DON'T renew the farking thing.
2012-06-21 05:59:40 PM
2 votes:
In some of the cases, including the pencil sharpener and the electrical outlet, Hazel now says the problem was a "clerical error" and much of the money was refunded to the schools in question.

Translation: "We tried to cheat you and got caught."
2012-06-22 01:52:31 AM
1 votes:
For most people working union jobs the unions do way more good than harm. All you have to do is read about the way workers were treated in this country 100 years ago and you'll see unions were very necessary and a lot of the labor protections we enjoy today, like no ten year old kids losing fingers working on heavy machinery (think textiles), no 12x6 work weeks without overtime, breaks, no locking workers in the building, etc.

I know it is popular to bad mouth unions today but they can do a lot of good.
2012-06-22 01:15:27 AM
1 votes:

Slaxl: "We don't need to f------ prove anything to anybody about costs," Hazel said. "A s---load more work was done to justify the cost of that plug job I can tell you."

What an intelligently made argument, he's won me over. I'd like to see a report of the shiatload more work that was done.


He means a shiatload of work was done to doctor the expense report to make a $50 job into a $3000 one.
2012-06-22 12:53:42 AM
1 votes:

Ess_Aytch: Ugh.

Look, I vote Conservative at the federal level but I also believe that unions have a role to play. Workers need protections from "job creators" and companies that would fark them over without even thinking twice. But come on. It's shiat like this that make all unions look completely ridiculous. It's idiots like Jimmy who are going to turn public opinion against all of them.

At the school I teach at, the caretaker installed a pencil sharpener. It took her about 3 minutes, and was just part of her regular salary.



unions have a role to play in the private sphere where there aren't an assload of civil service statutes dictating fair wages and people don't have a constitutionally guaranteed property interest in their jobs and the attendant due process rights that accompany that interest.

the only roll they have to play in the public sector is to artificially inflate wages so government workers don't have to suffer the effects of government immigration policies designed to decrease the value of labor and keep bad people who should be out of a job working.
2012-06-22 12:32:13 AM
1 votes:

I sound fat: ParaHandy: Miss Stein: $143 to install a pencil sharpener, $3000 for a power outlet, $250,000 kitchen.

That's nothing. The CEO and CFO at my last job drove the company into the ground, to the tune of $100 million, in just three years. So what did they do after that? They had their Administration department completely remodeled, at a cost of $4 million, including original artwork, $600 microwaves, and $14,000 sidechairs, while laying off 20% of the employees. Greedy, stupid bastards.

THIS

Unions are greedy and stupid, but to wreak financial havoc requires a few 1%'ers

Well, first of all, one does not justify the other. Also... you dont run a 100M loss by spending 4M. Perhaps the 20 percent who got cut sucked and were helping lose the money?

Or maybe their union bosses sold them out to avoid cuts to those who are left, protecting those high paying jobs.

Asking, not stating.


Unions had nothing to do with it. A good part of that loss was due to spending $250 million on a boondoggle expansion in another town. The expansion is running at only half capacity due to lack of demand for the company's services, and it will take decades to pay off the expansion costs, assuming the company survives that long. But hey, $14,000 sidechairs for their offices!
2012-06-22 12:20:44 AM
1 votes:

Miss Stein: That's nothing. The CEO and CFO at my last job drove the company into the ground, to the tune of $100 million, in just three years. So what did they do after that? They had their Administration department completely remodeled, at a cost of $4 million, including original artwork, $600 microwaves, and $14,000 sidechairs, while laying off 20% of the employees. Greedy, stupid bastards.


When you are calling people stupid bastards, you're referring to the shareholders who let them get away with that, right? Because blowing other people's money because you can may be dickish, but I can't call someone who gets away with it stupid.
2012-06-22 12:09:55 AM
1 votes:

ParaHandy: Miss Stein: $143 to install a pencil sharpener, $3000 for a power outlet, $250,000 kitchen.

That's nothing. The CEO and CFO at my last job drove the company into the ground, to the tune of $100 million, in just three years. So what did they do after that? They had their Administration department completely remodeled, at a cost of $4 million, including original artwork, $600 microwaves, and $14,000 sidechairs, while laying off 20% of the employees. Greedy, stupid bastards.

THIS

Unions are greedy and stupid, but to wreak financial havoc requires a few 1%'ers


Well, first of all, one does not justify the other. Also... you dont run a 100M loss by spending 4M. Perhaps the 20 percent who got cut sucked and were helping lose the money?

Or maybe their union bosses sold them out to avoid cuts to those who are left, protecting those high paying jobs.

Asking, not stating.
2012-06-22 12:09:39 AM
1 votes:

Miss Stein: $143 to install a pencil sharpener, $3000 for a power outlet, $250,000 kitchen.

That's nothing. The CEO and CFO at my last job drove the company into the ground, to the tune of $100 million, in just three years. So what did they do after that? They had their Administration department completely remodeled, at a cost of $4 million, including original artwork, $600 microwaves, and $14,000 sidechairs, while laying off 20% of the employees. Greedy, stupid bastards.


HEY! This is the union bashing thread! Don't you put down the 'job creators'!
2012-06-21 11:51:59 PM
1 votes:
The work in question was carried out by some of the 900-strong maintenance and construction trades people who have an exclusive contract with the Toronto District School Board.

Did anyone even have to click the link to know this was a union racket?
2012-06-21 11:45:53 PM
1 votes:
The Ontario provincial government seems to spend 10x the going rate on just about everything they touch. eHealth,Ornge, OLGC and now this.
2012-06-21 11:45:45 PM
1 votes:

Recoil Therapy: Absolutely astonishing just how many "clerical errors" that union manages to discover when called on things.

Contract's up for renewal in Aug. Here's an idea, DON'T renew the farking thing.


Unless the union thug was bluffing about being able to "go upstairs" and get a principal fired, and he might not be, it's getting renewed. :(
2012-06-21 11:23:25 PM
1 votes:
This is why "exclusive" contracts are bad things. Competition is good.
2012-06-21 10:18:29 PM
1 votes:

optikeye: Slaxl: What an intelligently made argument, he's won me over. I'd like to see a report of the shiatload more work that was done.

One time a Doctor where I worked insisted a power outlet be installed on a certain wall. And wouldn't take no. What he couldn't grasp was that it was a solid poured concrete fire wall and couldn't understand the labor and cost involved. "Just put an outlet there!"


The $3k outlet in the library took 2 electricians 2 hours (four hours total at the $38/hour plus hst ($42.94/hour)) maybe $40 - $50 bucks for parts and a run of bx, for a total of $221.76...
About market rate for such a thing.
What's the other $2700.00 for Mr. Union Guy?
Or how do two guys rack up 76 hours in one day before lunch?
2012-06-21 07:23:40 PM
1 votes:

Slaxl: What an intelligently made argument, he's won me over. I'd like to see a report of the shiatload more work that was done.


One time a Doctor where I worked insisted a power outlet be installed on a certain wall. And wouldn't take no. What he couldn't grasp was that it was a solid poured concrete fire wall and couldn't understand the labor and cost involved. "Just put an outlet there!"
2012-06-21 06:52:44 PM
1 votes:
"We don't need to f------ prove anything to anybody about costs," Hazel said. "A s---load more work was done to justify the cost of that plug job I can tell you."

What an intelligently made argument, he's won me over. I'd like to see a report of the shiatload more work that was done.
 
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