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2012-06-21 05:14:06 PM  
It's pretty nice looking when it's new.. But after a year or so those cheap capacitors are going to start to get puffy and eventually blow. The astronauts are going to get lead poisoning if they stick around too long.. The little plastic thing that holds that big plastic thing on is going to break after 7 or 8 months of use and there will be no way to replace it. You'll just have to by a brand new one. I don't think even China can afford a new space station every 7 or 8 months..
 
2012-06-21 05:15:03 PM  
I for one do not intend to go to sleep by the light of a Communist moon
 
2012-06-21 05:36:21 PM  
Didn't read the article, but my answer is "No. We should be worried about our own."
 
2012-06-21 05:36:38 PM  
short answer, no. Long answer, noooooooo

Next question.
 
2012-06-21 05:39:24 PM  
Unlike the US and Russia, China never signed a treaty deprecating the weaponization of space. And Chinese literature on the subject views doing so favorably.

Other than that, it should be celebrated.
 
2012-06-21 05:39:52 PM  
Not yet anyway, when they've gone beyond 1960's technology/accomplishments then maybe.
 
2012-06-21 05:40:29 PM  

FesterLDS: Didn't read the article, but my answer is "No. We should be worried about our own."


dl.dropbox.com

/I had the same thought too.
 
2012-06-21 05:42:40 PM  
In another twenty years, they'll get to where we were in the '70s, look around, go "Why the hell are we spending all this money on grandstanding," and lose interest in putting people on the Moon or orbiting dead-end space stations.
 
2012-06-21 05:48:22 PM  

FesterLDS: Didn't read the article, but my answer is "No. We should be worried about our own."


We have one?
 
2012-06-21 05:51:31 PM  
i guess i should really consider buying stock in the blue sun corporation.
 
2012-06-21 05:52:09 PM  

stratagos: FesterLDS: Didn't read the article, but my answer is "No. We should be worried about our own."

We have one?


Yes, we do. We are in another transition phase between two vehicles. Ont he one hand, we have COTS and the commercial guys like Space X, and on the other, the MIC with the SLS program.

It's kind of like the Apollo to STS days.
 
2012-06-21 05:54:00 PM  
I'm hoping the Chinese space program is extremely successful.

It's the only way to get the US government to make NASA a priority again.
 
2012-06-21 06:03:55 PM  
nah, no one's gonna buy the color schemes
 
2012-06-21 06:05:29 PM  

xynix: It's pretty nice looking when it's new.. But after a year or so those cheap capacitors are going to start to get puffy and eventually blow. The astronauts are going to get lead poisoning if they stick around too long.. The little plastic thing that holds that big plastic thing on is going to break after 7 or 8 months of use and there will be no way to replace it. You'll just have to by a brand new one. I don't think even China can afford a new space station every 7 or 8 months..


Dont forget the poorly written operations manual full of errors
 
2012-06-21 06:11:39 PM  
Chinese rockets just explode when they reach their apex, anyway. It's the way they've built them for centuries.
 
2012-06-21 06:27:55 PM  
If we want to live in a country with a second rate space program then , YA.

It appears that we have given up all hope of having the lead in technology again.
 
2012-06-21 06:29:18 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Chinese rockets just explode when they reach their apex, anyway. It's the way they've built them for centuries.


Ooooooooo.

Aaaaaaaaah.
 
2012-06-21 07:02:09 PM  
No.
 
2012-06-21 07:09:12 PM  
Should we be worried about the Chinese space program?

/FIFY Subby
 
2012-06-21 07:21:09 PM  
We should be "worried about the chinese space program" in that we should be "worried about (the pedantic bickering inherent to our nations governing bodies that are keeping us from being unable to progress and keep up with) the chinese space program."
 
2012-06-21 07:39:40 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Unlike the US and Russia, China never signed a treaty deprecating the weaponization of space. And Chinese literature on the subject views doing so favorably.

Other than that, it should be celebrated.


i.imgur.com
On it.
 
2012-06-21 07:52:10 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Unlike the US and Russia, China never signed a treaty deprecating the weaponization of space. And Chinese literature on the subject views doing so favorably.

Other than that, it should be celebrated.


Which treaty was that? Cause the Outer Space Treaty was signed and ratified by China
 
2012-06-21 08:17:54 PM  
Is the Chinese space program as well run as their fire departments?
 
2012-06-21 08:21:01 PM  
The article and the blog the author quotes are absofarkinglutely farktarded.
"It could go two ways. Either China will become an ally like modern Russia, or it could become an adversary like the former Soviet Union...But China isn't really a threat yet, at least not enough of one that NASA would enter into another space race."

A threat? To farking what? "OMG the farking Chinese are in space!" Just what is the farking threat exactly? A space race? What would be the point?

The space race of the old days was something I never truly understood. "OMG we can't let the commies be the first ones to land on the moon, it'll be the end of life as we know it!" Really? That was a worry? That someone else would get there first? Who gives a shiat who does any of that kind of shiat first? Do the farking thing and share the god damned results and findings with the rest of the world! I mean is it really so farking hard? People still care about bragging rights to stuff like that as if it's something important, which nation did what first? Are we humans incapable of doing something new or crazy in space just as a way to show that it can be done instead of "Haha, we did it first! We're the superior country! Suck my American/Chinese balls!"

Nothing wrong with a little competition to help push the boundaries of what's possible, or as a way of saying "Hey, they can do it, so can we!", or "Hey, they did it, lets see if we can do it better!" but there's not a single damned thing that's truly important about who does what first in space. NOT A FARKING THING! Now get the fark out there and prove space can be colonized so the rest of us folks can get the fark off this rock. Preferably in my lifetime.
 
2012-06-21 08:23:15 PM  

rickycal78: The article and the blog the author quotes are absofarkinglutely farktarded.
"It could go two ways. Either China will become an ally like modern Russia, or it could become an adversary like the former Soviet Union...But China isn't really a threat yet, at least not enough of one that NASA would enter into another space race."

A threat? To farking what? "OMG the farking Chinese are in space!" Just what is the farking threat exactly? A space race? What would be the point?

The space race of the old days was something I never truly understood. "OMG we can't let the commies be the first ones to land on the moon, it'll be the end of life as we know it!" Really? That was a worry? That someone else would get there first? Who gives a shiat who does any of that kind of shiat first? Do the farking thing and share the god damned results and findings with the rest of the world! I mean is it really so farking hard? People still care about bragging rights to stuff like that as if it's something important, which nation did what first? Are we humans incapable of doing something new or crazy in space just as a way to show that it can be done instead of "Haha, we did it first! We're the superior country! Suck my American/Chinese balls!"

Nothing wrong with a little competition to help push the boundaries of what's possible, or as a way of saying "Hey, they can do it, so can we!", or "Hey, they did it, lets see if we can do it better!" but there's not a single damned thing that's truly important about who does what first in space. NOT A FARKING THING! Now get the fark out there and prove space can be colonized so the rest of us folks can get the fark off this rock. Preferably in my lifetime.


errr. never read "The moon is a harsh mistress" have we?
/Yes Man, throw rocks at them
 
2012-06-21 08:27:00 PM  
Don't worry.

The taikonauts will be finally be able to connect to Facebook and google when they're in space.

At that point, no part of their mission, or even the basic maintenance or their ship, will get done.
Their business will get out of control. It will get out of control and they''ll be lucky to live through it.
Knowing this, I for one am wishing them the best.
 
2012-06-21 08:27:14 PM  

rickycal78: The article and the blog the author quotes are absofarkinglutely farktarded.
"It could go two ways. Either China will become an ally like modern Russia, or it could become an adversary like the former Soviet Union...But China isn't really a threat yet, at least not enough of one that NASA would enter into another space race."

A threat? To farking what? "OMG the farking Chinese are in space!" Just what is the farking threat exactly? A space race? What would be the point?

The space race of the old days was something I never truly understood. "OMG we can't let the commies be the first ones to land on the moon, it'll be the end of life as we know it!" Really? That was a worry? That someone else would get there first? Who gives a shiat who does any of that kind of shiat first? Do the farking thing and share the god damned results and findings with the rest of the world! I mean is it really so farking hard? People still care about bragging rights to stuff like that as if it's something important, which nation did what first? Are we humans incapable of doing something new or crazy in space just as a way to show that it can be done instead of "Haha, we did it first! We're the superior country! Suck my American/Chinese balls!"

Nothing wrong with a little competition to help push the boundaries of what's possible, or as a way of saying "Hey, they can do it, so can we!", or "Hey, they did it, lets see if we can do it better!" but there's not a single damned thing that's truly important about who does what first in space. NOT A FARKING THING! Now get the fark out there and prove space can be colonized so the rest of us folks can get the fark off this rock. Preferably in my lifetime.


If I recall the race was about prestige and showing the world which concept was better... The whole "we won, so side with our way of thinking"
 
2012-06-21 08:37:35 PM  

KellyX: rickycal78: The article and the blog the author quotes are absofarkinglutely farktarded.
"It could go two ways. Either China will become an ally like modern Russia, or it could become an adversary like the former Soviet Union...But China isn't really a threat yet, at least not enough of one that NASA would enter into another space race."

A threat? To farking what? "OMG the farking Chinese are in space!" Just what is the farking threat exactly? A space race? What would be the point?

The space race of the old days was something I never truly understood. "OMG we can't let the commies be the first ones to land on the moon, it'll be the end of life as we know it!" Really? That was a worry? That someone else would get there first? Who gives a shiat who does any of that kind of shiat first? Do the farking thing and share the god damned results and findings with the rest of the world! I mean is it really so farking hard? People still care about bragging rights to stuff like that as if it's something important, which nation did what first? Are we humans incapable of doing something new or crazy in space just as a way to show that it can be done instead of "Haha, we did it first! We're the superior country! Suck my American/Chinese balls!"

Nothing wrong with a little competition to help push the boundaries of what's possible, or as a way of saying "Hey, they can do it, so can we!", or "Hey, they did it, lets see if we can do it better!" but there's not a single damned thing that's truly important about who does what first in space. NOT A FARKING THING! Now get the fark out there and prove space can be colonized so the rest of us folks can get the fark off this rock. Preferably in my lifetime.

If I recall the race was about prestige and showing the world which concept was better... The whole "we won, so side with our way of thinking"


Yeah, but you'd have to be an idiot to adhere to that kind of thinking. "Well the guys who follow Communism got to the moon first so I'll just go and become Communist. You know, because their way of life and way of governing the people is obviously better due to their space exploits." I dunno, maybe folks in the 50's through the 70's really were that stupid. Sure there's something to be said for a government that was willing to put the resources into exploration and research, but it doesn't mean the government as a whole is doing great in all the other important aspects of running a nation. Were they really that incapable of looking at things as a whole back in the day?
 
2012-06-21 08:59:45 PM  

rickycal78: KellyX: rickycal78: The article and the blog the author quotes are absofarkinglutely farktarded.
"It could go two ways. Either China will become an ally like modern Russia, or it could become an adversary like the former Soviet Union...But China isn't really a threat yet, at least not enough of one that NASA would enter into another space race."

A threat? To farking what? "OMG the farking Chinese are in space!" Just what is the farking threat exactly? A space race? What would be the point?

The space race of the old days was something I never truly understood. "OMG we can't let the commies be the first ones to land on the moon, it'll be the end of life as we know it!" Really? That was a worry? That someone else would get there first? Who gives a shiat who does any of that kind of shiat first? Do the farking thing and share the god damned results and findings with the rest of the world! I mean is it really so farking hard? People still care about bragging rights to stuff like that as if it's something important, which nation did what first? Are we humans incapable of doing something new or crazy in space just as a way to show that it can be done instead of "Haha, we did it first! We're the superior country! Suck my American/Chinese balls!"

Nothing wrong with a little competition to help push the boundaries of what's possible, or as a way of saying "Hey, they can do it, so can we!", or "Hey, they did it, lets see if we can do it better!" but there's not a single damned thing that's truly important about who does what first in space. NOT A FARKING THING! Now get the fark out there and prove space can be colonized so the rest of us folks can get the fark off this rock. Preferably in my lifetime.

If I recall the race was about prestige and showing the world which concept was better... The whole "we won, so side with our way of thinking"

Yeah, but you'd have to be an idiot to adhere to that kind of thinking. "Well the guys who follow Communism got to the moon first s ...


I didn't say they were right, just that's what the old people in charge thought then... Or the least that's how the scientist had to sell the idea to the jackasses in Washington
 
2012-06-21 09:06:39 PM  
FTFA
In 2007, the Chinese blew up one of their own satellites, scattering thousands of pieces of debris in orbital space and endangering lots of other satellites. This was a really stupid and dangerous stunt they pulled
You know we did the same thing a year later Link
 
2012-06-21 09:08:03 PM  

rickycal78: The space race of the old days was something I never truly understood.



The Space Race was a small chapter of the Cold War. Understand the larger context, and you'll understand the ruckus over space back in the day.

Ruckus over space today? Not so much. Nobody cares anymore.
 
2012-06-21 09:09:26 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: FTFA
In 2007, the Chinese blew up one of their own satellites, scattering thousands of pieces of debris in orbital space and endangering lots of other satellites. This was a really stupid and dangerous stunt they pulled
You know we did the same thing a year later Link


There just might have been differences between the two events, but I guess some people are unable to detect them.
 
2012-06-21 09:16:59 PM  

Ricardo Klement: drjekel_mrhyde: FTFA
In 2007, the Chinese blew up one of their own satellites, scattering thousands of pieces of debris in orbital space and endangering lots of other satellites. This was a really stupid and dangerous stunt they pulled
You know we did the same thing a year later Link

There just might have been differences between the two events, but I guess some people are unable to detect them.


American space junk is better than Chinese space junk? Maybe if we invited them(money) to the ISS there would be no reason for them to do this
 
2012-06-21 09:26:32 PM  

rickycal78: The article and the blog the author quotes are absofarkinglutely farktarded.
"It could go two ways. Either China will become an ally like modern Russia, or it could become an adversary like the former Soviet Union...But China isn't really a threat yet, at least not enough of one that NASA would enter into another space race."

A threat? To farking what? "OMG the farking Chinese are in space!" Just what is the farking threat exactly? A space race? What would be the point?

The space race of the old days was something I never truly understood. "OMG we can't let the commies be the first ones to land on the moon, it'll be the end of life as we know it!" Really? That was a worry? That someone else would get there first? Who gives a shiat who does any of that kind of shiat first? Do the farking thing and share the god damned results and findings with the rest of the world! I mean is it really so farking hard? People still care about bragging rights to stuff like that as if it's something important, which nation did what first? Are we humans incapable of doing something new or crazy in space just as a way to show that it can be done instead of "Haha, we did it first! We're the superior country! Suck my American/Chinese balls!"

Nothing wrong with a little competition to help push the boundaries of what's possible, or as a way of saying "Hey, they can do it, so can we!", or "Hey, they did it, lets see if we can do it better!" but there's not a single damned thing that's truly important about who does what first in space. NOT A FARKING THING! Now get the fark out there and prove space can be colonized so the rest of us folks can get the fark off this rock. Preferably in my lifetime.


Apparently you either are too young or you forgot the implicit challenge of proving which ideology was best
 
2012-06-21 09:29:41 PM  

GilRuiz1: rickycal78: The space race of the old days was something I never truly understood.


The Space Race was a small chapter of the Cold War. Understand the larger context, and you'll understand the ruckus over space back in the day.

Ruckus over space today? Not so much. Nobody cares anymore.


Which was kinda my point. TFA and the blog the author of TFA quoted brought it up as if who does what first is still important in some way, shape or form.

I get that the space race was part of the Cold War, but the reasoning behind many of the aspects of the Cold War were just retarded as well. The two largest super powers in the world engaged in a decades long conflict that was the equivalent of a school yard argument over whose dick was bigger. Kinda pathetic when you think about it.
 
2012-06-21 09:32:09 PM  

rickycal78: Yeah, but you'd have to be an idiot to adhere to that kind of thinking. "Well the guys who follow Communism got to the moon first so I'll just go and become Communist. You know, because their way of life and way of governing the people is obviously better due to their space exploits." I dunno, maybe folks in the 50's through the 70's really were that stupid. Sure there's something to be said for a government that was willing to put the resources into exploration and research, but it doesn't mean the government as a whole is doing great in all the other important aspects of running a nation. Were they really that incapable of looking at things as a whole back in the day?


During the Cold War the Western World and the Soviets competed in every way to demonstrate which way of life was better. It really did trickle down to every conceivable way of saying "we're better because..."
 
2012-06-21 09:37:15 PM  

Fano: Apparently you either are too young or you forgot the implicit challenge of proving which ideology was best


I'm a bit young to remember the majority of it considering I was in grade and middle school in the years that the Cold War finally puttered out. But that really wasn't my point. My point was that the challenge itself was stupid and pants on head retarded. It's like two kids in a school yard argument over some ridiculous meaningless bullshiat. It just seems so ridiculously foolish and childish to me that the primary governments involved couldn't look at each other and just say "Hey, your system works for you, our system works for us. We do like this aspect of your system though. Mind giving us a hand working out the details?"
 
2012-06-21 09:47:02 PM  

rickycal78: Fano: Apparently you either are too young or you forgot the implicit challenge of proving which ideology was best

I'm a bit young to remember the majority of it considering I was in grade and middle school in the years that the Cold War finally puttered out. But that really wasn't my point. My point was that the challenge itself was stupid and pants on head retarded. It's like two kids in a school yard argument over some ridiculous meaningless bullshiat. It just seems so ridiculously foolish and childish to me that the primary governments involved couldn't look at each other and just say "Hey, your system works for you, our system works for us. We do like this aspect of your system though. Mind giving us a hand working out the details?"


It was pointed out at the time that it was stupid. But things didn't change until Rocky IV. Prior to that it was assumed to be an existential conflict that would, with the exception of Star Trek, be expected to continue until humanity wiped itself out.
 
2012-06-21 09:48:43 PM  
I hope the Chinese put a base on the Moon and then go to Mars.

Because the one thing that is gauranteed to get an American to put the pedal to the metal is to look like you're about to pass him.

Go China.

Do it.
 
2012-06-21 09:59:39 PM  
Not too concerned as yet that the Chinese are just now learning to use 60's-era Soyuz designs they bought from Russia. With the success of our Space-X Dragon, plus three or four more COTS-based contractors right behind Space-X, AND the deep space capable CT-100 in development, AND two Bigelow inflatable stations that have been successfully orbiting for what, five years now? - I think the US manned capability is in good shape going forward. We're not funding NASA or general space exploration as much as we should, but that has always been the case.
 
2012-06-21 10:05:05 PM  

Antimatter: stratagos: FesterLDS: Didn't read the article, but my answer is "No. We should be worried about our own."

We have one?

Yes, we do. We are in another transition phase between two vehicles. Ont he one hand, we have COTS and the commercial guys like Space X, and on the other, the MIC with the SLS program.

It's kind of like the Apollo to STS days.


I don't think you get to claim the "commercial guys" as "yours". They aren't your tax dollars, they aren't govt projects.

Space X is as much "yours" as the Chinese program is: you share a species with someone working on going to space.
 
2012-06-21 10:24:05 PM  

iawai: Antimatter: stratagos: FesterLDS: Didn't read the article, but my answer is "No. We should be worried about our own."

We have one?

Yes, we do. We are in another transition phase between two vehicles. Ont he one hand, we have COTS and the commercial guys like Space X, and on the other, the MIC with the SLS program.

It's kind of like the Apollo to STS days.

I don't think you get to claim the "commercial guys" as "yours". They aren't your tax dollars, they aren't govt projects.

Space X is as much "yours" as the Chinese program is: you share a species with someone working on going to space.


It's a US company partially funded by US tax money. They even test in my state.

I'd say that qualifies as ours.
 
2012-06-21 10:26:16 PM  
It could go two ways. Either China will become an ally like modern Russia,

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-21 10:28:04 PM  

rickycal78: It just seems so ridiculously foolish and childish to me that the primary governments involved couldn't look at each other and just say "Hey, your system works for you, our system works for us."


The difficulty came because the fine gentleman on the left was in charge of one of the governments, and he was hell-set on destroying all other systems:
 
2012-06-21 10:29:42 PM  
FARK dropped my picture. Let's try that again:
www.jhindin.com
 
2012-06-21 10:34:59 PM  
If Republicans keep up their axing of money for NASA then yes, we should be worried.
 
2012-06-21 10:35:30 PM  

rickycal78: KellyX: rickycal78: The article and the blog the author quotes are absofarkinglutely farktarded.
"It could go two ways. Either China will become an ally like modern Russia, or it could become an adversary like the former Soviet Union...But China isn't really a threat yet, at least not enough of one that NASA would enter into another space race."

A threat? To farking what? "OMG the farking Chinese are in space!" Just what is the farking threat exactly? A space race? What would be the point?

The space race of the old days was something I never truly understood. "OMG we can't let the commies be the first ones to land on the moon, it'll be the end of life as we know it!" Really? That was a worry? That someone else would get there first? Who gives a shiat who does any of that kind of shiat first? Do the farking thing and share the god damned results and findings with the rest of the world! I mean is it really so farking hard? People still care about bragging rights to stuff like that as if it's something important, which nation did what first? Are we humans incapable of doing something new or crazy in space just as a way to show that it can be done instead of "Haha, we did it first! We're the superior country! Suck my American/Chinese balls!"

Nothing wrong with a little competition to help push the boundaries of what's possible, or as a way of saying "Hey, they can do it, so can we!", or "Hey, they did it, lets see if we can do it better!" but there's not a single damned thing that's truly important about who does what first in space. NOT A FARKING THING! Now get the fark out there and prove space can be colonized so the rest of us folks can get the fark off this rock. Preferably in my lifetime.

If I recall the race was about prestige and showing the world which concept was better... The whole "we won, so side with our way of thinking"

Yeah, but you'd have to be an idiot to adhere to that kind of thinking. "Well the guys who follow Communism got to the moon first so I'll just go and become Communist. You know, because their way of life and way of governing the people is obviously better due to their space exploits." I dunno, maybe folks in the 50's through the 70's really were that stupid. Sure there's something to be said for a government that was willing to put the resources into exploration and research, but it doesn't mean the government as a whole is doing great in all the other important aspects of running a nation. Were they really that incapable of looking at things as a whole back in the day?


You're right, they should have selected ideological superiority by nuking eachother. That would have been far better than stupid things like going to space. Its not like the technology of reaching orbit ever had any practical application.
 
2012-06-21 10:39:02 PM  

Mytch: You're right, they should have selected ideological superiority by nuking eachother. That would have been far better than stupid things like going to space. Its not like the technology of reaching orbit ever had any practical application.


Or you could read the rest of my posts and realize that I think the whole proving "ideological superiority" was idiotic to start with, much less the methods and rationalizations behind it.
 
2012-06-21 10:43:54 PM  
 
2012-06-21 10:44:43 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Ricardo Klement: drjekel_mrhyde: FTFA
In 2007, the Chinese blew up one of their own satellites, scattering thousands of pieces of debris in orbital space and endangering lots of other satellites. This was a really stupid and dangerous stunt they pulled
You know we did the same thing a year later Link

There just might have been differences between the two events, but I guess some people are unable to detect them.

American space junk is better than Chinese space junk? Maybe if we invited them(money) to the ISS there would be no reason for them to do this


Yes, keep telling yourself there's no difference. I'm sure that'll earn you respect as an intellectually honest observer of human events.
 
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