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(NPR)   HBO's new series "The Newsroom": part weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy, part Ally McBeal, all stupid   (npr.org) divider line 139
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2012-06-21 03:52:35 PM  
Sports Night + West Wing = The Newsroom
 
2012-06-21 04:21:49 PM  
I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.
 
2012-06-21 04:26:11 PM  

James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.


Rachel Maddow getting a rimjob from Keith Olberman?
 
2012-06-21 04:26:47 PM  

James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.


It sounds like one of those things Gingrich just makes up.
 
2012-06-21 04:29:15 PM  
Well as long as it has the 3D dancing baby, I'm in!

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2012-06-21 04:29:22 PM  

WTF Indeed: James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.

Rachel Maddow getting a rimjob from Keith Olberman?


I'm gonna need to see your dictionary so I can find the part where it defines fantasy as nobody enjoying themselves.
 
2012-06-21 04:33:07 PM  

exick: WTF Indeed: James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.

Rachel Maddow getting a rimjob from Keith Olberman?

I'm gonna need to see your dictionary so I can find the part where it defines fantasy as nobody enjoying themselves.


also, isn't a rimjob something more closely associated with pre-orgasmic actions rather than post-orgasmic? also, who the f*ck fantasizes about post-orgasmic moments?
 
2012-06-21 04:34:14 PM  

thomps: exick: WTF Indeed: James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.

Rachel Maddow getting a rimjob from Keith Olberman?

I'm gonna need to see your dictionary so I can find the part where it defines fantasy as nobody enjoying themselves.

also, isn't a rimjob something more closely associated with pre-orgasmic actions rather than post-orgasmic? also, who the f*ck fantasizes about post-orgasmic moments?


and while we're asking questions, who greenlighted this agressive, stupid, abortion of a headline?
 
2012-06-21 04:34:22 PM  

WTF Indeed: James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.

Rachel Maddow getting a rimjob from Keith Olberman?


Meh, I could probably fap to that.
 
2012-06-21 04:34:57 PM  

Magorn: thomps: exick: WTF Indeed: James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.

Rachel Maddow getting a rimjob from Keith Olberman?

I'm gonna need to see your dictionary so I can find the part where it defines fantasy as nobody enjoying themselves.

also, isn't a rimjob something more closely associated with pre-orgasmic actions rather than post-orgasmic? also, who the f*ck fantasizes about post-orgasmic moments?

and while we're asking questions, who greenlighted this agressive, stupid, abortion of a headline?


Probably an Admin who works for this website.

Just guessing though.
 
2012-06-21 04:36:47 PM  

exick: WTF Indeed: James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.

Rachel Maddow getting a rimjob from Keith Olberman?

I'm gonna need to see your dictionary so I can find the part where it defines fantasy as nobody enjoying themselves.


I have a copy. It's called The Bible.
 
2012-06-21 04:39:08 PM  
wait, so is this a weepy fantasy from a post-orgasmic liberal? like, he's just laying there in bed in a sweaty afterflow and just letting tears of ecstasy roll down his lazily lets his mind wander to the few things that could make his life better at that point? is "the newsroom" a show about cigarettes and cold pizza?
 
2012-06-21 04:39:44 PM  

thomps: wait, so is this a weepy fantasy from a post-orgasmic liberal? like, he's just laying there in bed in a sweaty afterflow and just letting tears of ecstasy roll down his lazily lets his mind wander to the few things that could make his life better at that point? is "the newsroom" a show about cigarettes and cold pizza?


afterglow. the afterflow is probably over at that point.
 
2012-06-21 04:48:34 PM  

James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.


Right-wing word vomit. Like Gingrich's comments about Obama's "Kenyan anti-colonialism." It sounds bad, so it must be.
 
2012-06-21 04:49:36 PM  

James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.


Interestingly (or, perhaps, too obviously), the complaints leveled against this show are very similar to the complaints leveled against The West Wing, which was some of the best TV ever created.
 
2012-06-21 04:50:39 PM  
FTA: Sorkin's take on TV news is equally callow. Although supposedly devoted to honest, truthful, old-fashioned news, Will quickly morphs into a version of Keith Olbermann, a prosecutorial anchor on the warpath against the Tea Party, whose members are all portrayed as dopes, dupes or ignoramuses. The Newsroom makes it clear that Will's not merely telling the truth, but that any intelligent, right-thinking person knows he's telling the truth.

In fact, the show's so riddled with disapproval toward those who watch Fox News, read the tabloids or enjoy reality TV that it feeds the cliche of liberals as smug elitists who reflexively look down on anyone who doesn't agree.

i55.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-21 04:51:58 PM  
Don't care. I'm watching it. Sorkin rules ...
 
2012-06-21 04:52:47 PM  

Diogenes: I have a copy. It's called The Bible.


Well, I wouldn't say nobody. Lot's daughters had a pretty good time. And Song of Solomon suggests the king was doing ok for himself. And let's not forget the big man himself, what with all the smiting and worship and ethereal impregnation. That dude has been on a millenia-long binge.
 
2012-06-21 04:54:42 PM  

FlashHarry: FTA: Sorkin's take on TV news is equally callow. Although supposedly devoted to honest, truthful, old-fashioned news, Will quickly morphs into a version of Keith Olbermann, a prosecutorial anchor on the warpath against the Tea Party, whose members are all portrayed as dopes, dupes or ignoramuses. The Newsroom makes it clear that Will's not merely telling the truth, but that any intelligent, right-thinking person knows he's telling the truth.

In fact, the show's so riddled with disapproval toward those who watch Fox News, read the tabloids or enjoy reality TV that it feeds the cliche of liberals as smug elitists who reflexively look down on anyone who doesn't agree.

[i55.tinypic.com image 379x214]


A common complaint against the West Wing was that Republicans were always portrayed as idiots and/or villains, while Democrats were always the paragons of virtue and patriotism.

It was a good way to pick out the people who had actually never watched the show.
 
2012-06-21 04:55:30 PM  

James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.


I think it's what happens after Ed Begley, Jr., has sex with a windmill.
 
2012-06-21 04:57:40 PM  

Shostie: James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.

I think it's what happens after Ed Begley, Jr., has sex with a windmill.


That's how they power Montana.
 
2012-06-21 05:10:23 PM  
Having now read the article twice, what strikes me the most is that the reviewer is claiming that the characters aren't good because they don't have "rich, dark, complicated souls."

That's critic speak for "if it isn't broody, grimdark and/or downbeat it isn't good."

fark you, John Powers. You're what's wrong with TV these days.
 
2012-06-21 05:25:54 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Doesn't anyone remember this?

Just because it's on HBO doesn't mean that it's good.
 
2012-06-21 05:26:03 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: That's critic speak for "if it isn't broody, grimdark and/or downbeat it isn't good."


Broody, grimdark and/or downbeat.. like "Girls"?
 
2012-06-21 05:29:56 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x138]

Doesn't anyone remember this?

Just because it's on HBO doesn't mean that it's good.


i really liked that show for the first 3 or so episodes. great soundtrack too. then the whole thing fell off the rails.
 
2012-06-21 05:34:48 PM  
If anyone in Hollywood wears his idealism like a boutonniere, it's Aaron Sorkin. As The West Wing made clear, Sorkin loves telling stories about principled individuals - especially liberals - struggling with institutions that might compromise their integrity.

He also likes Republican characters that strive to make things better for everyone by realizing that you have to compromise and meet people in the middle, but then you can't make a villain out of him, can you?
 
2012-06-21 05:43:03 PM  
I've had a bad feeling about this ever since the first bits of hackneyed name-dropping dialogue showed up on TVNewser.

This is going to be crap. Newsroom fiction almost never works on TV. I don't think it has been successful since Murphy Brown.
 
2012-06-21 05:45:11 PM  

James!: I don't even know what "weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy" means.


www.unliberaledwoman.com
 
2012-06-21 05:48:08 PM  
the Tea Party, whose members are all portrayed as dopes, dupes or ignoramuses.

Yes. And?
 
2012-06-21 05:49:19 PM  
FTA: "Yet for all its virtues, The Newsroom often feels shockingly dated, as if Sorkin had never seen shows like The Wire, Mad Men, or Girls, shows that have raised the level of the TV game"

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How in the fark does Girls raise the level of TV game?
 
2012-06-21 05:50:11 PM  

fusillade762: the Tea Party, whose members are all portrayed as dopes, dupes or ignoramuses.

Yes. And?

it feeds the cliche of liberals as smug elitists who reflexively look down on anyone who doesn't agree


What cliche?
 
2012-06-21 05:50:37 PM  

GAT_00: If anyone in Hollywood wears his idealism like a boutonniere, it's Aaron Sorkin. As The West Wing made clear, Sorkin loves telling stories about principled individuals - especially liberals - struggling with institutions that might compromise their integrity.

He also likes Republican characters that strive to make things better for everyone by realizing that you have to compromise and meet people in the middle, but then you can't make a villain out of him, can you?


Not only that but he also has no problem writing liberal characters that are idiots.

But, again, that'd require his detractors to actually watch the entirety of his works, and not just cherry pick individual scenes off of YouTube.
 
2012-06-21 05:56:11 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x138]

Doesn't anyone remember this?

Just because it's on HBO doesn't mean that it's good.



Way to go David Milch....you took us from the awesomeness of Deadwood to the suckiness of the Yost family.

/F*CK THAT SHOW.
 
2012-06-21 05:56:55 PM  
Damn, I was looking forward to this, lots of great actors - but I've had enough with Sorkin's preaching. It's boring.

Oh, and this:
" it feeds the cliche of liberals as smug elitists who reflexively look down on anyone who doesn't agree."? Aaron Sorking is a smug elitist who reflexively looks down on anyone who doesn't agree with him.
 
2012-06-21 05:57:25 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Just because it's on HBO doesn't mean that it's good.



One more for that list:

Girls

I hate that show with a passion.
 
2012-06-21 05:58:16 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: FlashHarry: FTA: Sorkin's take on TV news is equally callow. Although supposedly devoted to honest, truthful, old-fashioned news, Will quickly morphs into a version of Keith Olbermann, a prosecutorial anchor on the warpath against the Tea Party, whose members are all portrayed as dopes, dupes or ignoramuses. The Newsroom makes it clear that Will's not merely telling the truth, but that any intelligent, right-thinking person knows he's telling the truth.

In fact, the show's so riddled with disapproval toward those who watch Fox News, read the tabloids or enjoy reality TV that it feeds the cliche of liberals as smug elitists who reflexively look down on anyone who doesn't agree.

[i55.tinypic.com image 379x214]

A common complaint against the West Wing was that Republicans were always portrayed as idiots and/or villains, while Democrats were always the paragons of virtue and patriotism.

It was a good way to pick out the people who had actually never watched the show.


My girlfriend and I recently started watching TWW, and her most common phrase regarding the Bartlett Administration is "They're not very good at this, are they" and considering the underlying theme of the first two seasons is the danger of compromising ideals in favor of pragmatism...
 
2012-06-21 06:02:24 PM  

The_Sponge: Girls


Seriously, who the fark are the people watching this show? And WHY?
 
2012-06-21 06:04:37 PM  

qorkfiend: My girlfriend and I recently started watching TWW, and her most common phrase regarding the Bartlett Administration is "They're not very good at this, are they" and considering the underlying theme of the first two seasons is the danger of compromising ideals in favor of pragmatism...


The evolution of the characters in terms of not only their idealism but their experiences and social prowess from the beginning until the end is very compelling to me. It's hard to talk about it without spoiling a lot for you later on. That being said, it's totally true that the Bartlett Admin fumbles the ball a lot the first half of their first term or so. Best part is that they're very aware of it, and it drives Leo mad on an episode-ly basis.

It's also worth noting that the show itself was originally supposedly to *rarely* have the President around and Sam was going to be in the forefront. As time went on, the President and others came forward in the cast (and very much so Josh in the last 3 seasons or so).
 
2012-06-21 06:06:14 PM  

blackminded: The_Sponge: Girls

Seriously, who the fark are the people watching this show? And WHY?


No hate for Veep?
 
2012-06-21 06:08:01 PM  
TFA: Daniels is believable as Will, who physically resembles that shambly bear Chris Matthews

What is this...? I don't even...?
 
2012-06-21 06:08:28 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: That's critic speak for "if it isn't broody, grimdark and/or downbeat it isn't good."

Broody, grimdark and/or downbeat.. like "Girls"?


"Girls" is there to hide the fact that the reviewer has narrow tastes in what they consider to be "good".

Writing "dark" fiction in regards to plots and characters is routinely passed off as "good writing" in TV these days. Alongside making "complex plots" that "let the viewer decide for themselves that really happened."

It's laziness.
 
2012-06-21 06:13:34 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Not only that but he also has no problem writing liberal characters that are idiots.


And power hungry assholes. Hoynes and Hutchinson obviously come to mind.
 
2012-06-21 06:15:28 PM  

blackminded: The_Sponge: Girls

Seriously, who the fark are the people watching this show? And WHY?


I watched a couple of episodes. I couldn't decide if it was the most awful thing ever or a way too accurate imitation of the real world.
 
2012-06-21 06:15:57 PM  
a prosecutorial anchor on the warpath against the Tea Party, whose members are all portrayed as dopes, dupes or ignoramuses.

why yes, you have accurately portrayed the tea party. what was the point??
 
2012-06-21 06:17:59 PM  

GAT_00: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Not only that but he also has no problem writing liberal characters that are idiots.

And power hungry assholes. Hoynes and Hutchinson obviously come to mind.


Show needed more Ainsley.

For all sorts of reasons.
 
2012-06-21 06:21:00 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Just because it's on HBO doesn't mean that it's good.


what cracks me up is that people who loved west wing, will probably love this show. I know we are all excited about it.
and people who hated west wing and hate liberals will probably hate this show.

so what.
the BEST thing about HBO is that they dont have commercials so they are not chasing the lowest common denominator to make a buck.
If enough people watch Newsroom to pay for season two, then there will be a season two. TADA

who cares if 100 million people hate the show?
if 3 million people watch the show, it will be a success. TADA

/makes fun of fox viewers, tabloid readers and reality show watchers? um ... DUH
 
2012-06-21 06:23:42 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: GAT_00: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Not only that but he also has no problem writing liberal characters that are idiots.

And power hungry assholes. Hoynes and Hutchinson obviously come to mind.

Show needed more Ainsley.

For all sorts of reasons.


I hated her the first couple of times through. She had to grow on me.
 
2012-06-21 06:25:11 PM  
Hey, do all the characters walk down a hallway and talk really fast in the same voice? I hope so.
 
2012-06-21 06:28:32 PM  
FTFA: ...the Tea Party, whose members are all portrayed as dopes, dupes or ignoramuses.

And this is far from the truth?
 
2012-06-21 06:30:29 PM  

Doogled: FTA: "Yet for all its virtues, The Newsroom often feels shockingly dated, as if Sorkin had never seen shows like The Wire, Mad Men, or Girls, shows that have raised the level of the TV game"

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 363x310]

How in the fark does Girls raise the level of TV game?


By repeatedly showing an umappealing character naked?
 
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