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(NPR)   HBO's new series "The Newsroom": part weepy post-orgasmic liberal fantasy, part Ally McBeal, all stupid   (npr.org) divider line 139
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2012-06-21 10:46:55 PM  
If the reviewer likes "Girls" and not "The Newsroom," I think it's safe to say that I don't really care what the reviewer thinks.

I've been ready for this show since the first trailer came out. Might it let me down? Possibly. But I'm very intrigued by what it could become.

The only use I have for "Girls" is waiting on that Allison Williams chick to get naked, and I can get that recap online. I've known someone like the lead character, and all the show does is remind me how much that person pisses me off. Horrid program.
 
2012-06-21 11:44:14 PM  

walkingtall: A common complaint against the West Wing was that Republicans were always portrayed as idiots and/or villains, while Democrats were always the paragons of virtue and patriotism.

It was a good way to pick out the people who had actually never watched the show.

Not Democrats per se simply progressive humanists. Obama is not a liberal in the strictest sense of the word but he is a humanist and pretty progressive. That is what Sorkin likes and that is what all the good people on West Wing were. That is how he sees himself. And just like the article says anyone who isnt is derided and made out to be the worst monsters in the entire world. That was the point of the article. The blind adherence to an ideology where you hate the other side. The VERY same complaint made about the Tea Party and the right in general. Amazing how you become that which you claim to hate so much. Or projection. Either opiton


wait, so the entire plot in season 5 of the government shut down because of ideological lines isn't a great reflection of what's currently going on? Or the presidency that's hounded at every step by a republican controlled congress because they're pissed they don't also have the white house too? Or the frequent calls for the white house to call out liberal groups like environmentalists and other forms of hippies for being too hippie when in the same breath acknowledging and even helping out those right wing groups who tend to "take it to the next level" of intimidation and violence?

Oh wait, that wasn't necessarily TWW, that's the current political climate. When hypocrisy is pointed out to you, you shouldn't stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it, you should listen and maybe find a way to change, not just to better yourself but change the message of those around you.

Sorkin goes after the fringe of the left and right, he's had entire quarters of seasons devoted to dealing with "crazy feminists" or why you shouldn't be disrespectful of the military or religion even if their views don't always agree with yours.

Calling out tea partiers for who they try to be is not being smug and elitist. There is no reason why anyone from the fringe should really be taken as seriously as they have. On either side. We need to learn how to be able to compromise, accept and recognize our faults and not go ape shiat over someone who may disagree with the point we're trying to get across. We're not the greatest country in the world and the people that keep going on about it need to have a reality check. But that's not a "smug liberal elitist" point of view, anyone should be able to see that. There is no definition of "greatest" in the dictionary that actually describes us. We're superior, maybe, but far from "great"

I leave you with this fantastic quote from a republican:

"I don't see how we can have a separation of church and state in this government if you have to pass a religious test to get in this government. And I want to warn everyone in the press and all the voters out there, if you demand expressions of religious faith from politicians, you are just begging to be lied to. They won't all lie to you but a lot of them will. And it will be the easiest lie they ever had to tell to get your votes. So, every day until the end of this campaign, I'll answer any question anyone has on government, But if you have a question on religion, please go to church."
 
2012-06-22 01:30:35 AM  

WTF Indeed: Sports Night + West Wing = The Newsroom


Sounds to me like a winning combination.
 
2012-06-22 01:40:10 AM  
DESTROY ALL THINGS LEFT OF ULTRA-RIGHT.
 
2012-06-22 01:42:54 AM  
It's rated MA and has Olivia Munn in the cast?
 
2012-06-22 03:40:53 AM  

namatad: Because People in power are Stupid: Just because it's on HBO doesn't mean that it's good.

what cracks me up is that people who loved west wing, will probably love this show. I know we are all excited about it.
and people who hated west wing and hate liberals will probably hate this show.

so what.
the BEST thing about HBO is that they dont have commercials so they are not chasing the lowest common denominator to make a buck.
If enough people watch Newsroom to pay for season two, then there will be a season two. TADA

who cares if 100 million people hate the show?
if 3 million people watch the show, it will be a success. TADA

/makes fun of fox viewers, tabloid readers and reality show watchers? um ... DUH


well, Sepinwall and Feinberg, who are pretty liberal and who loved TWW, said this is a pile of crap
 
2012-06-22 05:46:39 AM  
The previews I've seen make me want to check it out. Of course, if the previews hadn't made me interested in seeing it, this bit FTFA would have:
In fact, the show's so riddled with disapproval toward those who watch Fox News, read the tabloids or enjoy reality TV that it feeds the cliche of liberals as smug elitists who reflexively look down on anyone who doesn't agree.
 
2012-06-22 05:54:57 AM  

red5ish: It's rated MA and has Olivia Munn in the cast?

Game of Thrones

was rated MA too. How much nip did you see in that?
 
2012-06-22 06:53:53 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: DESTROY ALL THINGS LEFT OF ULTRA-RIGHT.


I fail to see how this is a problem.
 
2012-06-22 06:54:28 AM  

GAT_00: Phil Moskowitz: DESTROY ALL THINGS LEFT OF ULTRA-RIGHT.

I fail to see how this is a problem.


Wait, I thought that said the opposite. Not had coffee yet.
 
2012-06-22 07:05:01 AM  
Damn, when NPR is slamming you for being a liberal douche, you need to lay off the gas a little.
 
2012-06-22 07:24:40 AM  

Truman Burbank: The only use I have for "Girls" is waiting on that Allison Williams chick to get naked,


I wouldn't expect that anytime soon given her father is Brian Williams.
 
2012-06-22 07:37:23 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: FlashHarry: FTA: Sorkin's take on TV news is equally callow. Although supposedly devoted to honest, truthful, old-fashioned news, Will quickly morphs into a version of Keith Olbermann, a prosecutorial anchor on the warpath against the Tea Party, whose members are all portrayed as dopes, dupes or ignoramuses. The Newsroom makes it clear that Will's not merely telling the truth, but that any intelligent, right-thinking person knows he's telling the truth.

In fact, the show's so riddled with disapproval toward those who watch Fox News, read the tabloids or enjoy reality TV that it feeds the cliche of liberals as smug elitists who reflexively look down on anyone who doesn't agree.

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A common complaint against the West Wing was that Republicans were always portrayed as idiots and/or villains, while Democrats were always the paragons of virtue and patriotism.

It was a good way to pick out the people who had actually never watched the show.


Meh. WW had obvious liberal leanings but it was a good show.

This new show is as unwatchable and predictable as everything on network TV. You're on HBO for god's sake...stretch your legs a little.
 
2012-06-22 08:04:57 AM  
FTFA:
it feeds the cliche of liberals as smug elitists who reflexively look down on anyone who doesn't agree.

Fixed That For Myself.


/Carry on, smallfolk.
 
2012-06-22 08:55:20 AM  

thomps: The_Sponge: Mugato: Well, if you can find a Republican or conservative that is actually funny I'm sure they'd give you a commission for discovering them. Just like you could probably get a finder's fee for turning in the Loch Ness Monster.


P.J. O'Rourke

my only exposure to him is on wait wait don't tell me and he's cringe-inducingly unfunny.


O'Rourke was born apolitical and 100% funny. So his early stuff for National Lampoon was terrific. But as republicanism crept into his soul, it replaced the funny on a one-for-one basis. So when he was half-rightwing, he was still half-funny, writing books like Parliament of Whores or Holidays in Hell. I still recommend those books. Then the conservatism took over his soul, and pushed out ALL the funny.

/Just like Dennis Miller.
 
2012-06-22 09:25:20 AM  
And NPR continues making kissy-faces at the right. Sickening.

a prosecutorial anchor on the warpath against the Tea Party, whose members are all portrayed as dopes, dupes or ignoramuses.

Not seeing the problem here...
 
2012-06-22 09:40:57 AM  

simplicimus: blackminded: The_Sponge: Girls

Seriously, who the fark are the people watching this show? And WHY?

No hate for Veep?


I'll heap some hate on Veep. I really wanted to like it but just can't believe the VP office runs anything like that. Even with Biden saying something really stupid weekly, it still can't be the clown collection shown in that show. Also, not very funny.
 
2012-06-22 09:45:12 AM  

IlGreven: red5ish: It's rated MA and has Olivia Munn in the cast?

Game of Thrones was rated MA too. How much nip did you see in that?


...honey, you haven't actually watched GoT, have you?

/sooooooooooooo much nip
 
2012-06-22 09:53:47 AM  
I don't think I've ever heard of a dumber name for a fictional character than "MacKenzie McHale"

It's so ridiculous that it could only happen in real life.
 
2012-06-22 10:14:40 AM  

Doogled: FTA: "Yet for all its virtues, The Newsroom often feels shockingly dated, as if Sorkin had never seen shows like The Wire, Mad Men, or Girls, shows that have raised the level of the TV game"

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How in the fark does Girls raise the level of TV game?


I have to agree with you on that. I've watched 3 or 4 episodes of Girls and Jesus, what a bunch of clueless emo crybabies. Every character on that show is vapid and annoying, and most of them are ugly. What a POS.
 
2012-06-22 11:08:23 AM  

bill4935: /Just like Dennis Miller.


I used to love Miller, even went to a taping of his show. Then after 9/11 it's like he's possessed by some seriously unfunny demon or something. It has nothing to do with politics, even though that's what people will automatically think. And I'm not above racial jokes or gay jokes so it's not a question of being offended. It's just the inescapable conclusion that conservatives aren't funny. I'm open to contrary opinions, I'm willing to learn. I just don't see it.

The guy from the blue Collar comedy troupe, the one who drinks scotch on stage, he's funny but he's fairly apolitical. I'm just assuming he's conservative based on the guys he runs with.
 
2012-06-22 11:24:36 AM  

farkeruk: Internet Meme Rogers: Wow, you really put some thought into that and yet came to a completely wrong conclusion. The point of Markinson's suicide was that while he hated what had happened on his watch and wanted to do the right thing, ratting out his fellow Marines would be viewed as dishonorable by many and thus his career was over one way or the other. The only honorable thing to do was provide information and then die.

So, the honourable thing is to provide information (which is ratting on fellow Marines, increasing their chance of conviction), but it's dishonourable to stand up in court and testify against them (ratting on fellow Marines, increasing their chance of conviction). Explain, please.


Honorable was perhaps a poor word choice on my part. I was attempting to say he was torn between his loyalty to the Corps that for some was more important than morality, and his guilt over what happened. That's why I said shades of gray. He was not a good man to have allowed it to occur, but he was being shown as actually possessing a conscience, unlike Jessup and Kendrick.
 
2012-06-22 11:27:30 AM  
I miss Sports Night. That is all.
 
2012-06-22 11:51:58 AM  
If the show features liberal women having orgasms, count me in!
 
2012-06-22 12:09:22 PM  
Ill watch Newshour in spite of Olvia Munn...(a pretty mannequin is still made of wood). Also... How can somebody rip on Sorkin , and offer up Chris Nolan as a "superior" alternative? Based on Popularity? Jersey Shore gets viewers...doesn't make it good. Nolan couldn't write his way out of a wet paperbag... He has a lethal allergy to Continuity.he's the bastard love child of a tawdry affair between Michael Bay and Renee Harlan.
 
2012-06-22 12:15:38 PM  

Stratohead: he's the bastard love child of a tawdry affair between Michael Bay and Renee Harlan.


Actually, I would say the Scott brothers.

/and that's not a bad thing
 
2012-06-22 12:44:44 PM  
Well, this article and greenlight have done one important thing: Prompted me to check on the air-date for the premier, and to make sure to schedule it on both DVRs.

Without the biatching, I might have had to watch a re-run, or worse, HBO-GO. Whew, crisis averted.

/Cant' wait for this show.
 
2012-06-22 02:47:02 PM  

Herbie555: Well, this article and greenlight have done one important thing: Prompted me to check on the air-date for the premier, and to make sure to schedule it on both DVRs.

Without the biatching, I might have had to watch a re-run, or worse, HBO-GO. Whew, crisis averted.

/Cant' wait for this show.


Great and after you watch it on both your DVRs and see that it is the steaming pile of shiat everybody who has already seen it says it is you'll still probably have no problem coming back here and saying how great it is because it validates your political beliefs.

From all accounts the show is filled with one dimensional cliches for characters who's interactions and relationships could have been ripped from the script of an episode of 90210 circa 1998. It's chocked full preachy agenda driven sanctimonious drivel all the while treating it's viewers as if they are children watching it on a Saturday morning. Oh you mean to tell me it makes fun of Teabaggers?? FARKING BRILLIANT!

/right and left wing tripe is still tripe
 
2012-06-22 03:11:58 PM  
Wasnt aware that every non "reality" show how to break new ground..
 
2012-06-22 03:48:35 PM  
Forget the political points, it's always a relationship that kills his shows. This is his fourth show and there hasn't been a single character in a stable relationship. Even with someone who is never seen! The constant tease of Casey and Dana got old and had no future. It made them boring. The screwed up history of Matt and Harriet was a total distraction from what the show promised and it took over. It was never going to be resolved and that's annoying. West Wing gave every character (even minor ones) someone they loved, and had it fall apart. By the time of the kidnapping, everyone is miserable and feels incomplete and there aren't any upbeat episodes. That's what, four years of just dour political process and infighting? He mashed some of them back together at the end but by then, you don't like them anymore.

How farked up was his childhood and home life that he can't even imagine a happy couple for so much as a cameo?

/won't matter HBO cancels all of its good shows after a season or two
 
2012-06-22 05:20:29 PM  

The_Sponge: Because People in power are Stupid: Just because it's on HBO doesn't mean that it's good.


One more for that list:

Girls

I hate that show with a passion.


I'll summarize Girls in one sentence:

Privileged white girls biatching about first world problems.
 
2012-06-22 05:32:37 PM  

blackminded: That. I know far too many of that type of female in real life to watch a show celebrating their behavior. Not to mention the interview with the creator on NPR made me want to kill myself.

/you vapid twat


The show is set in muthafarkin' BROOKLYN, and there's not a single non-white person on the show. WTF?

Whenever anyone so much as criticizes the show, the fabid fangirls reply with, "You're just jelly because HBO didn't give you a TV deal at 26!" as if that's a valid rebuttal.
 
2012-06-22 05:50:06 PM  

KhamanV: IlGreven: red5ish: It's rated MA and has Olivia Munn in the cast?

Game of Thrones was rated MA too. How much nip did you see in that?

...honey, you haven't actually watched GoT, have you?

/sooooooooooooo much nip


I remember reading somewhere that the average Bazooms-Per-Episode for the first two seasons was 5.5.

/Nice set of dragon-perches there, Khaleesi!
 
2012-06-22 06:01:41 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm:
The show is set in muthafarkin' BROOKLYN, and there's not a single non-white person on the show. WTF?

This surprises you how? If an HBO (or Showtime) original series has any non-honky characters, odds are they will be completely stereotyped or have only one or two lines an episode. At best, you get characters like Twofer (which I am convinced is Tina Fey's mockery of this), but more likely, every non-WASPy character is static, two-dimensional, and there only to support the lead.

/True Blood gets a pass because EVERYONE is complete bumpkin trash.
//Even the vamps.
///"Gus, don't be the only black lead on a major cable network."
 
2012-06-22 06:07:24 PM  

Uptown Hipster Doofus:

I remember reading somewhere that the average Bazooms-Per-Episode for the first two seasons was 5.5.

/Nice set of dragon-perches there, Khaleesi!


I wonder if they calculated bonus points for Littlefinger ordering lesbian fingerplay between two of his whores as a way to a: teach them how to better please customers and b: monologue about how he's also figuratively farking Ned Stark in the ass. If they didn't, that episode right there was probably a 30 point bonus.
 
2012-06-22 06:58:58 PM  

MoeSzyslak: Great and after you watch it on both your DVRs and see that it is the steaming pile of shiat everybody who has already seen it says it is you'll still probably have no problem coming back here and saying how great it is because it validates your political beliefs.

From all accounts the show is filled with one dimensional cliches for characters who's interactions and relationships could have been ripped from the script of an episode of 90210 circa 1998. It's chocked full preachy agenda driven sanctimonious drivel all the while treating it's viewers as if they are children watching it on a Saturday morning. Oh you mean to tell me it makes fun of Teabaggers?? FARKING BRILLIANT!

/right and left wing tripe is still tripe



Have you seen it? Or are you just shooting your mouth off based on hearsay?
 
2012-06-23 04:05:49 AM  

OscarTamerz: "Let's walk and talk."

thingsthatmakeyouhappy.com

"We're back where we started."


TO be fair, Sorkin did the same gag with Bradley Whitford and Rob Lowe on the West Wing.

/"I was following you!"
 
2012-06-23 09:56:15 PM  
I have every intention of watching this show but I have one issue with Sorkin's writing. If I presented a script of West Wing that you hadn't seen and removed the character names, you would have no idea who was speaking each line. He really needs to get better a giving each character a unique voice.

/This and GOT are the two reasons that I will keep HBO. (Well that and it lowers my cable bill to carry one premium channel.)
 
2012-06-24 02:16:47 AM  

No Line For Beer: I have every intention of watching this show but I have one issue with Sorkin's writing. If I presented a script of West Wing that you hadn't seen and removed the character names, you would have no idea who was speaking each line. He really needs to get better a giving each character a unique voice.

/This and GOT are the two reasons that I will keep HBO. (Well that and it lowers my cable bill to carry one premium channel.)


I actually thought Boardwalk Empire was the best show on HBO for the most recent season

/Game of Thrones was better the year before
 
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