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(The Raw Story)   With so much content being uploaded to youtube every day, they couldn't possibly screen the neo-Nazi stuff. That comes from pretty much the same IP addresses and goes to the same channels, every time   (rawstory.com) divider line 49
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2012-06-21 03:16:00 PM
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If its not illegal, and not exhorting illegal acts, are they "required" to take such videos down? No matter how abhorrent I find what they're saying, that doesn't necessarily mean it has to come down, legally.
 
2012-06-21 03:38:36 PM

SilentStrider: ...
If its not illegal, and not exhorting illegal acts, are they "required" to take such videos down? No matter how abhorrent I find what they're saying, that doesn't necessarily mean it has to come down, legally.


I wouldn't think so.. But we're in the busy-body age now so everyone has to make noise about irrelevant people practicing antiquated and irrelevant causes. I'm of the "change the channel crowd" so could care less what youtube has on it.
 
2012-06-21 03:47:12 PM
Youtuve
 
2012-06-21 03:53:52 PM
What!? People are making money exploiting the ignorance of others!??
 
2012-06-21 04:07:48 PM

xynix: I'm of the "change the channel crowd" so could care less what youtube has on it.


Ditto that.

Fred Phelps has hate videos specifically targeting people like me (I don't believe in God, probably lots of other stuff). I just don't watch his videos. The end.
 
2012-06-21 04:27:21 PM
And yet people complain when China censors stuff on the internet.

/not supporting neo-Nazis, just pointing out the hypocrisy
 
2012-06-21 04:43:48 PM
The bottom line is Youtube doesn't screen content, it realistically can't with so much being uploaded, so it relies on people to report content that is offensive and is a violation of its TOS. If it doesn't get reported, it stays up. If people want this stuff removed then they will have to monitor Youtube themselves and report it.
 
2012-06-21 04:49:55 PM
You can bet if it were Al-Qaeda they would be shutting it down as the government would be all over their a$$.
 
2012-06-21 04:57:58 PM

SilentStrider: ...
If its not illegal, and not exhorting illegal acts, are they "required" to take such videos down? No matter how abhorrent I find what they're saying, that doesn't necessarily mean it has to come down, legally.


AFAIK, Youtube Terms of Service say something like "no offensive/hate shiat" in legalese. They're free to set up their own servers and serve the videos from there. Google doesn't have to provide them with a platform to say anything Google doesn't like.
 
2012-06-21 04:59:34 PM
"Censorship is okay as long as I don't agree with what's being censored" is almost as stupid and short-sighted as the tenets of national socialism, which is at least an ethos, dude.
 
2012-06-21 05:04:37 PM

CommieTaoist: And yet people complain when China censors stuff on the internet.

/not supporting neo-Nazis, just pointing out the hypocrisy


Funny, I don't see the US government demanding that the videos be taken down, nor do I see anyone preventing these guys from hosting their stupidity by themselves.
 
2012-06-21 05:12:40 PM

CommieTaoist: And yet people complain when China censors stuff on the internet.


Youtube:
- is not the internet. You can host your stuff yourself if you want to post stuff that violates Youtube's TOS.
- won't throw you in jail for putting up stuff that violates the TOS.

But hey, it's just like China.
 
2012-06-21 05:12:42 PM

SilentStrider: ...
If its not illegal, and not exhorting illegal acts, are they "required" to take such videos down? No matter how abhorrent I find what they're saying, that doesn't necessarily mean it has to come down, legally.


They're not required to, but for some reason people dislike having Nazis on their site. Please think of the poor discriminated against Nazis. It's getting to the point that they can't even post videos asking for help finding their missing friend Kyle.
 
2012-06-21 05:19:08 PM

SilentStrider: ...
If its not illegal, and not exhorting illegal acts, are they "required" to take such videos down? No matter how abhorrent I find what they're saying, that doesn't necessarily mean it has to come down, legally.


I came here to say this.

I don't understand the point of that article.
 
2012-06-21 05:31:51 PM
 
2012-06-21 05:32:48 PM
The point of the article is, "Google should monitor all of these uploads so that I don't have to."

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." It's also the price of ensuring that your enemies go unheard.
 
2012-06-21 05:49:13 PM
It's pure shiat, and these people are assholes, but it's still a free country, and Google is still a private company, what they do is up to them.
 
2012-06-21 06:02:30 PM
Subby here. Or as I shall henceforward by known, suvvy (facepalm).

I'm all for freedom of speech. Say what you want in your own site. What gets sand in my shorts is the "do no evil" company helps people profit from evil, an evil that has an eye-watering track record for geitting people hurt or killed.

And spare me the "soooooo much content" argument. You're telling me that Google couldn't write a search algorithm to sift content so they only had to review a tiny fraction? Like, oh "its being uploaded from here, or to this channel, or contains these keywords or a schwastika" etc.

Thats vull...bull...dangit...
 
2012-06-21 06:23:31 PM

runwiz: You can bet if it were Al-Qaeda they would be shutting it down as the government would be all over their a$$.


actually there are tons of alqaeda and insurgent videos on youtube. they even have half hour long montages of IED strikes and sniper shots. pretty effective weapons from the look of it, i saw a abramns get launched 5 meters after running over a IED.
 
2012-06-21 06:26:39 PM
That's nothing. You should see their pages on Favebook.
 
2012-06-21 06:34:19 PM
This sounds like a job for...

i137.photobucket.com

The Black Gestapo!
 
2012-06-21 06:51:25 PM

TravisBickle62: Neo-Nazis always get a bad rap


Well, most white people are horrible at rapping.
 
2012-06-21 06:57:01 PM

runwiz: You can bet if it were Al-Qaeda they would be shutting it down as the government would be all over their a$$.


You can probably still post mujaheddin videos on LiveLeak
 
2012-06-21 07:37:41 PM

fatalvenom: TravisBickle62: Neo-Nazis always get a bad rap

Well, most white people are horrible at rapping.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9HOAkpPnt4&feature=related
 
2012-06-21 07:47:34 PM

fatalvenom: TravisBickle62: Neo-Nazis always get a bad rap

Well, most white people are horrible at rapping.


Begs to differ
 
2012-06-21 08:03:27 PM

MisterRonbo: Subby here. Or as I shall henceforward by known, suvvy (facepalm).

I'm all for freedom of speech. Say what you want in your own site. What gets sand in my shorts is the "do no evil" company helps people profit from evil, an evil that has an eye-watering track record for geitting people hurt or killed.

And spare me the "soooooo much content" argument. You're telling me that Google couldn't write a search algorithm to sift content so they only had to review a tiny fraction? Like, oh "its being uploaded from here, or to this channel, or contains these keywords or a schwastika" etc.

Thats vull...bull...dangit...


Why should they? The current system seems to work well. If they changed it to your method it could easily accidentally block people who did nothing wrong and made a documentary.
 
2012-06-21 08:14:42 PM
i0.kym-cdn.com

Hitler is gonna' be super pissed when he hears about this.
 
2012-06-21 08:16:24 PM
I'm surprised google hasn't tried using speech to text tech to filter videos
 
2012-06-21 09:39:37 PM
YouTube probably gets more viewers by hosting that shiat than they lose from people concerned that they host that shiat. If that's true, they will not fix this as long as it is still true.
 
2012-06-21 09:49:40 PM
YouTube's content filter is inept. As are its DMCA notices. The site that allows hundreds of copyrighted clips to be uploaded unnoticed every hour is the same site that actually executed DMCA takedowns for Creation Science Evangelism (Kent and Eric Hovind's club) for videos the group released into the public domain.
 
2012-06-21 09:55:27 PM
To be fair lets look at all the black panther & anti white videos, shall we?
 
2012-06-21 09:56:28 PM

imontheinternet: "Censorship is okay as long as I don't agree with what's being censored" is almost as stupid and short-sighted as the tenets of national socialism, which is at least an ethos, dude.


and that.
 
2012-06-21 10:40:43 PM
But... I click "DON'T like" every time I view them.
 
2012-06-21 10:41:51 PM
And I ALWAYS leave a stupid comment...
 
2012-06-21 10:42:31 PM
downstairs:

xynix: I'm of the "change the channel crowd" so could care less what youtube has on it.

Ditto that.

Fred Phelps has hate videos specifically targeting people like me (I don't believe in God, probably lots of other stuff). I just don't watch his videos. The end.


Hate speech laws are stupid. And in this case a way to make Nazis look like victims of fascism.
 
2012-06-21 11:01:48 PM

Im_Gumby: fatalvenom: TravisBickle62: Neo-Nazis always get a bad rap

Well, most white people are horrible at rapping.

Begs to differ


and furthermore
 
2012-06-21 11:20:36 PM
Neo nazis, white supremacists, angry black muslims, anarchists, Eco-terrorists, and charlatans are like hydra - if you just cut off a head, they grow back somewhere else. That level of idiotic, violent mindset needs to be dealt with on an individual social level to keep it from spreading, but trying to remove their words speaks of an ineffective brand of tyranny and may lead to support for their cause..

And youtube may take something down, but it's not like these people are too stupid to just sign up with a different username.
 
2012-06-21 11:23:46 PM
meh, web people problems
 
2012-06-22 02:11:37 AM
If they're going to allow faux-patriotic pro-US-military videos, they might as well allow the neo-nazis' videos. No real differences that I can see.
 
2012-06-22 03:07:34 AM

odinsposse: Im_Gumby: fatalvenom: TravisBickle62: Neo-Nazis always get a bad rap

Well, most white people are horrible at rapping.

Begs to differ

and furthermore


... and in conclusion
 
2012-06-22 07:50:35 AM

imontheinternet: "Censorship is okay as long as I don't agree with what's being censored" is almost as stupid and short-sighted as the tenets of national socialism, which is at least an ethos, dude.


A private entity refusing to provide a soapbox to people of whose views they disapprove is not censorship.
 
2012-06-22 07:57:36 AM

The One True TheDavid: downstairs:

xynix: I'm of the "change the channel crowd" so could care less what youtube has on it.

Ditto that.

Fred Phelps has hate videos specifically targeting people like me (I don't believe in God, probably lots of other stuff). I just don't watch his videos. The end.

Hate speech laws are stupid. And in this case a way to make Nazis look like victims of fascism.


This doen't have anything to do with hate speech laws, or laws of any kind. It has to do with YouTube's TOS. The problem is people who don't bother to inform YouTube of content that violates, but then biatch that it's there.
 
2012-06-22 08:00:32 AM

downstairs: xynix: I'm of the "change the channel crowd" so could care less what youtube has on it.

Ditto that.

Fred Phelps has hate videos specifically targeting people like me (I don't believe in God, probably lots of other stuff). I just don't watch his videos. The end.


I'm more of the "I don't watch but I'm offended at its existence but am not inclined to do anything above sighing and grumbling" camp.
 
2012-06-22 09:10:02 AM
Anyone who is in favor of this content being taken down is against Net Neutrality.

GTFO.
 
2012-06-22 09:53:51 AM
Ah, love this thread. Nice mix of people who are too stupid to know that the 1st Amendment and hate speech laws aren't even an issue in this and others who are just outright trolling. Or both.
 
2012-06-22 10:30:09 AM

MisterRonbo: What gets sand in my shorts is the "do no evil" company helps people profit from evil,


There is no such thing as a "do no evil" corporation. Marketing is not always truthful.
 
2012-06-22 10:31:37 AM

jso2897: imontheinternet: "Censorship is okay as long as I don't agree with what's being censored" is almost as stupid and short-sighted as the tenets of national socialism, which is at least an ethos, dude.

A private entity refusing to provide a soapbox to people of whose views they disapprove is not censorship.


Actually it is. Censorship is not always a bad thing but it is pretty much the definition of the word.
 
2012-06-22 11:12:09 AM

Bullseyed: Anyone who is in favor of this content being taken down is against Net Neutrality.

GTFO.


So, you don't know what Net Neutrality is.
 
2012-06-22 04:39:02 PM

TravisBickle62: Neo-Nazis always get a bad rap


I hate Illinois Neo-Nazis.
 
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