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2012-06-21 03:48:12 PM

Dr Dreidel: TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: of course, I'd start any Israel policy speech by pissing off the group I was speaking to: "Here's where y'all motherfarkers have been wrong for the last 40 years..."

[dalje.com image 640x840]
GET OFF MY LAWN

Aren't those sort of the problems in the first place: whose lawn is it, how big is the lawn, and who has the authority to tell whom to get off it?

// and yes, I'd tell Arab/Muslim/Palestinian groups how wrong they'd been as well


As a goy with ties to Israel I under stand the conundrum. My solution. Get out of the occupied territory (excluding golan height) build a big wall. If they shoot rockets shoot back. Try to give gaza to egypt (they don't want it). try to give west bank to jordan(they don't want it) tell syria to go fark themselves.

/wife is israeli (Bat-Yam)
//protested for Palestine while in college
///do not play tatsuma card
 
2012-06-21 03:49:20 PM

palelizard: skullkrusher: Jackpot777: Nadie_AZ: Serious Black: Nadie_AZ: Jackpot777: Que parece ser sol ...

[fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 400x224]

Wait. He said this? Really? Gotta link?

Here you go.

He said that. He ... he said that. He ... he's obvious that he wants war with Iran. His neocon advisers have him blaming everything on Iran.

He .. he really said that.

Regime change. I've heard those words before....

Romney plans to arm a disorganized and unknown Islamic insurgency.

That couldn't possibly backfire. It's not as though there's historical

[www.legitgov.org image 485x237]

Did he use the same time machine that BO used to make changes to Hawaiian newspapers?
Do they keep that thing in the White House garage or something?

Actually, that's on blocks out in the USNO yard. Joe keeps saying he'll get around to fixing that busted cam shaft, but you know how he is after a few beers.


Joe is pissed that BO won't let him put a Firebird decal on it
 
2012-06-21 03:51:48 PM

Jackpot777: Que parece ser sol ...

[fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 400x224]


I thought that sunshine WAS, in fact, the best disinfectant?
 
2012-06-21 03:54:24 PM

BeesNuts: Butterflew: unexplained bacon: One Big Ass Mistake America: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

holy crap, that's clever.
this guy's trolling for realz

Not clever. I've seen it on at least half a dozen bumper stickers. A troll with no original thought at all? Sounds about right.

Got two out in the parking lot right now.


What a terrible parking lot to be near.
 
2012-06-21 03:58:09 PM

skullkrusher: Joe is pissed that BO won't let him put a Firebird decal on it


Last I heard, that conversation went:

Joe: "But Boss, it will go faster and look cool!"

The Boss: "Joe, first off, it's a time machine, it literally cannot go faster. I mean, it gets there yesterday, if you want to be there yesterday. Fastest transport ever. Second, no, it will not look cool. I know cool. While we're at it, you know your secret service code name is because of your ugly ass jacket? Also not cool."

Joe: "Denim is strong and tough and stands for freedom! You want cool?" *lights a Kool, puffs once, stubs it out on the carpet* "That's what I think about your cool! And I can wear my hair however I want!"

The Boss: *Sigh* "Look, we'll talk about it later, I've got to go talk to my scheduler, he has something down about defeating an evil robot from now through November."
 
2012-06-21 04:00:39 PM

TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: of course, I'd start any Israel policy speech by pissing off the group I was speaking to: "Here's where y'all motherfarkers have been wrong for the last 40 years..."

[dalje.com image 640x840]
GET OFF MY LAWN

Aren't those sort of the problems in the first place: whose lawn is it, how big is the lawn, and who has the authority to tell whom to get off it?

// and yes, I'd tell Arab/Muslim/Palestinian groups how wrong they'd been as well

As a goy with ties to Israel I under stand the conundrum. My solution. Get out of the occupied territory (excluding golan height) build a big wall. If they shoot rockets shoot back. Try to give gaza to egypt (they don't want it). try to give west bank to jordan(they don't want it) tell syria to go fark themselves.

/wife is israeli (Bat-Yam)
//protested for Palestine while in college
///do not play tatsuma card


And see, I just wonder what the problem is. Black people in the US weren't pushing for their own country in the South, they just wanted acceptance into the larger community. The Palestinian population should be offered the same (or a similar deal):
-if you want to live in Israel, be good citizens. I know more than one Palestinian man who would be more than happy to live as an Israeli citizen. When he looked at how the PA governed (last time we spoke was 12 years ago, so Hamas/Fatah weren't running things. Same guys, though), he said he'd rather live semi-homeless in Israel than as a rich man in Palestine.
-if you don't want to live in Israel, here's a check for moving expenses and 2 months' rent. Oh, and be sure you ask Egypt/Jordan/Lebanon/Syria reeeeeeeeeeeeeal nice to let you in, I hear they can be dicks about it. Best of luck.

It's all predicated on no one stirring the shiat for the next 10-12 years after that goes into effect.

For me, I fail to see how having a Palestinian government forever pissed at Israel would be any better than having Palestinian citizenry forever pissed at an Israeli government. People and their families have had to move all the damned time, and once more, with a guaranteed citizenship and equal status (no more Israeli Yirmiyahu Crowinsky laws, please) no matter which side of the line you're on, seems like it might lay some of this misplaced nationalism/extreme xenophobia aside.

And The West Bank can stay Palestinian. Even though a 10-mile thickness (roughly, from the Med to Jerusalem at its narrowest point) makes the country horrifically easy to bisect in wartime, what's one more arbitrary border drawn in a region with nothing but for the last 130 years?

// and yes - rockets are met with rockets
// no country on Earth should have to stand for ballistic ordnance raining down on them indiscriminately (targeted at civilian areas BECAUSE they're civilian areas)
// targeted munitions are a different story
 
2012-06-21 04:02:43 PM

LasersHurt: BeesNuts: Butterflew: unexplained bacon: One Big Ass Mistake America: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

holy crap, that's clever.
this guy's trolling for realz

Not clever. I've seen it on at least half a dozen bumper stickers. A troll with no original thought at all? Sounds about right.

Got two out in the parking lot right now.

What a terrible parking lot to be near.


Got an Ayn Rand one out there too. "Who is John Galt?"

I resist the daily urge to answer that question.
 
2012-06-21 04:04:35 PM

sirgrim: DeltaPunch: [www.brokencountry.com image 520x343]
THE LATINO COMMUNITY FROWNS ON YOUR SHENANIGANS

Are you sure they're not asian? They might even be from Madagascar.


I was going to ask him why those asians were so mad.
 
2012-06-21 04:06:32 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "I don't know too many Hispaniards, but I'm good friends with the guy who owns CharoHappy Wok."

 
2012-06-21 04:14:46 PM

All_Farked_Up: All politicians should have to fill out a questionnaire on the issues and have it posted online. If you don't answer even 1 of them you don't get to run.


Who would pick the way questions are phrased?

On environmentalism, are you as a candidate:
A) For allowing faceless corporations to inject melanine, lead & nuclear waster directly into your home's water supply?
or
B) For the creation of job-killing regulations that will create 200% unemployment?
 
2012-06-21 04:15:18 PM

Dr Dreidel: TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: TrollingForColumbine: Dr Dreidel: of course, I'd start any Israel policy speech by pissing off the group I was speaking to: "Here's where y'all motherfarkers have been wrong for the last 40 years..."

[dalje.com image 640x840]
GET OFF MY LAWN

Aren't those sort of the problems in the first place: whose lawn is it, how big is the lawn, and who has the authority to tell whom to get off it?

// and yes, I'd tell Arab/Muslim/Palestinian groups how wrong they'd been as well

As a goy with ties to Israel I under stand the conundrum. My solution. Get out of the occupied territory (excluding golan height) build a big wall. If they shoot rockets shoot back. Try to give gaza to egypt (they don't want it). try to give west bank to jordan(they don't want it) tell syria to go fark themselves.

/wife is israeli (Bat-Yam)
//protested for Palestine while in college
///do not play tatsuma card

And see, I just wonder what the problem is. Black people in the US weren't pushing for their own country in the South, they just wanted acceptance into the larger community. The Palestinian population should be offered the same (or a similar deal):
-if you want to live in Israel, be good citizens. I know more than one Palestinian man who would be more than happy to live as an Israeli citizen. When he looked at how the PA governed (last time we spoke was 12 years ago, so Hamas/Fatah weren't running things. Same guys, though), he said he'd rather live semi-homeless in Israel than as a rich man in Palestine.
-if you don't want to live in Israel, here's a check for moving expenses and 2 months' rent. Oh, and be sure you ask Egypt/Jordan/Lebanon/Syria reeeeeeeeeeeeeal nice to let you in, I hear they can be dicks about it. Best of luck.

It's all predicated on no one stirring the shiat for the next 10-12 years after that goes into effect.

For me, I fail to see how having a Palestinian government forever pissed at Israel would be any better than having Palestinian ...


this is why we don't do well in Israel threads. Tats to the right of Gat to the left.
 
2012-06-21 04:16:35 PM

TrollingForColumbine: Tats to the right of us Gat to the left.


ftfm
G*D DAMN IT SO MUCH
 
2012-06-21 04:39:20 PM
All_Farked_Up: All politicians should have to fill out a questionnaire on the issues and have it posted online. If you don't answer even 1 of them you don't get to run.

Sweeet Jesus, would that make a voter's life easier.


Good idea except for the fact that voters change their minds even more than candidates. Im not sure why people are such hypocrites about being able to change their minds, sometimes month to month, but expect their representatives to hold onto their viewpoint forever.

Lets face it-people dont want to hear the truth and are mostly full of shiat. Throw into this mix a complicated, no-win topic like immigration and you dont need a high IQ to see why politicians dont want to lean too far one way or the other.

Im still wondering why the media believes Hispanics will be the deciding group in the Nov election. There are 21 mill voting eligible people of Hispanic descent, 12 mill are Mexican-American, and not all are engrossed in immigration reform (PuertoRicans have no dog in that fight). No national election has ever yielded more than 50% voter turnout-and that was in 08 at the height of "Hope and Change". Most Hispanic turnout is in the 35-40% range. Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada will be swing states but in each state there are less than 1 million eligible Hispanic voters-Nevada has less then 500 thou.
Only Florida, with its diversity among the Hispanic vote (more educated, more Cuban), can actually make a dent in Nov. And there the issues are more about employment.
 
2012-06-21 04:43:15 PM

Dr Dreidel: The Palestinian population should be offered the same (or a similar deal):



There are about 5 million Palestinians in Israel, including the territories.
There are about 6 million Jews in Israel, including the territories.

The former population has a high birthrate.
The latter population does not.

As a result, Israel believes that they cannot "nationalize" all of the Palestinians without risking the national identity within a few decades.
 
2012-06-21 04:45:11 PM
Can I get some catsup and mayonnaise for these tacos? Can somebody cut the crusts off my tacos please?
 
2012-06-21 05:00:43 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Dr Dreidel: The Palestinian population should be offered the same (or a similar deal):


There are about 5 million Palestinians in Israel, including the territories.
There are about 6 million Jews in Israel, including the territories.

The former population has a high birthrate.
The latter population does not.

As a result, Israel believes that they cannot "nationalize" all of the Palestinians without risking the national identity within a few decades.


And my counter is that the national identity will have to change (assuming all 5m Palestinians decide to stay - or, more likely, the countries they'd like to go don't want to lose their national identity either). Don't worry - Israelis will still be pushy merchant-types who have no concept of personal space (in both the real world and emotionally) even after there are equal numbers of Israeli Jews and Israeli Palestinians.

These are not difficult solutions, but they're hard decisions. They (both sides) are going to have to "lose" a stupid feel-good fight to win the problem of having so many people hurt/killed every year. The insanity is that they see the status quo as somehow better.
 
2012-06-21 05:01:40 PM

randomjsa: A bit like the last election where Obama was basically allowed to never, ever, state his views on gay marriage.

But it's okay when a Democrat won't take a stand on a major issue before an election. It's only when those evil Republicans won't do it that it becomes a problem.


And then....
 
2012-06-21 05:06:28 PM

InmanRoshi: rickythepenguin: and on the same podcast the guy was floating some theory about how the branch / sect of Mormons that remained in Mexico -- this is where i'm hazy on the details as it has been about a month -- might have some role in the drug flow from SA through mexico.


The Romney Family, along with several other of the big Mormon Families like hte LaBarons, built polygamy communes in Chihuahua Mexico after it was outlawed in the US (it's okay when white people don't respect borders). Romney's grandfather had five wives. Romney's father was born in Mexico, but obtained naturalized citizenship from being born to two US citizens. Many of those polygamists fled Mexico during the Mexican Revolution, including Romney's dad and grandparents. Some permanently fled, some later returned when things died down. Those polygamist sects still exist in Mexico today, in the same areas that are hot spots for Drug Cartels. The polygamist sects have been stock piling weapons and warring against the drug cartels for some time.


www.imcdb.org
 
2012-06-21 05:09:17 PM

Serious Black: LasersHurt: birchman: This is pretty funny to watch. By not taking a side and continuously avoiding the issue he's showing obvious lack of leadership skills, but he's also making it painfully obvious that he has no actual platform, he's just telling everyone what he thinks they want to hear. And things are only going to get worse when things like debates start coming up and he actually has to appeal to the masses instead of the political rally fanatics who were already voting for him anyway.

Do you know if this glaring, shining emptiness is being portrayed in the rest of the media? It seems so obvious if you pay attention, but I don't know how much coverage it's getting generally.

There are a few people making the connection that Romney is trying to be as bland and generic as possible so as to frame the election as a referendum on Obama, but largely they're ignoring it. There was an article posted on Fark recently about how Romney resembles Dewey in his election against Truman in that regard.


I have always hated decimals. If we hadn't succumbed to the socialist metric system under the peanut president we would still be using God's own fractions.
 
2012-06-21 05:12:24 PM

Kibbler: Can I get some catsup and mayonnaise for these tacos? Can somebody cut the crusts off my tacos please?


Are these those 7-11 tacos?
 
2012-06-21 05:13:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: I have a plan, but it's in my car. I'll just step out to the parking lot and get it for you gentlemen. I'll be right back.. so don't move.


That was Newt's line.
 
2012-06-21 05:14:18 PM

Dr Dreidel: And my counter is that the national identity will have to change (assuming all 5m Palestinians decide to stay - or, more likely, the countries they'd like to go don't want to lose their national identity either). Don't worry - Israelis will still be pushy merchant-types who have no concept of personal space (in both the real world and emotionally) even after there are equal numbers of Israeli Jews and Israeli Palestinians.

These are not difficult solutions, but they're hard decisions. They (both sides) are going to have to "lose" a stupid feel-good fight to win the problem of having so many people hurt/killed every year. The insanity is that they see the status quo as somehow better.


I would think the religious nature of Israel and perceived likelihood of oppression and relegation to secondary citizens would make it fairly unlikely the Israeli national identity is open to discussion of change. It's not hard to imagine a conservative (or even realistic) viewpoint/scenario in which that change leads to the destruction of Israel like most of their neighbors have been on about for some time.
 
2012-06-21 05:21:03 PM

palelizard: Dr Dreidel: And my counter is that the national identity will have to change (assuming all 5m Palestinians decide to stay - or, more likely, the countries they'd like to go don't want to lose their national identity either). Don't worry - Israelis will still be pushy merchant-types who have no concept of personal space (in both the real world and emotionally) even after there are equal numbers of Israeli Jews and Israeli Palestinians.

These are not difficult solutions, but they're hard decisions. They (both sides) are going to have to "lose" a stupid feel-good fight to win the problem of having so many people hurt/killed every year. The insanity is that they see the status quo as somehow better.

I would think the religious nature of Israel and perceived likelihood of oppression and relegation to secondary citizens would make it fairly unlikely the Israeli national identity is open to discussion of change. It's not hard to imagine a conservative (or even realistic) viewpoint/scenario in which that change leads to the destruction of Israel like most of their neighbors have been on about for some time.


Israel will eventually morph into a secular democracy or will cease to exist. the right will resist it just like our right does (tea baggers, war on Christianity, ground zero mosque, they're taking our jobs, etc...) but it will happen. Personally I think a jewish state was a bad idea from the get go. trying to found any modern nation on archaic myth and dogma seems doomed (see iran and afghanistan).
 
2012-06-21 05:23:04 PM

Cubicle Jockey: All_Farked_Up: All politicians should have to fill out a questionnaire on the issues and have it posted online. If you don't answer even 1 of them you don't get to run.

Who would pick the way questions are phrased?

On environmentalism, are you as a candidate:
A) For allowing faceless corporations to inject melanine, lead & nuclear waster directly into your home's water supply?
or
B) For the creation of job-killing regulations that will create 200% unemployment?


C) Inject melanin into white voters you disagree with while allowing melamine tainted products from China into the US because inspection equals job killing regulations.
 
2012-06-21 05:25:22 PM
This is what I get coming late to a thread.....
 
2012-06-21 05:50:57 PM
I thought President Obama was pretty clear on his stance on the issues and for the most part has remained faithful to that stance.
 
2012-06-21 10:09:29 PM

Serious Black: LasersHurt: Serious Black: LasersHurt: birchman: This is pretty funny to watch. By not taking a side and continuously avoiding the issue he's showing obvious lack of leadership skills, but he's also making it painfully obvious that he has no actual platform, he's just telling everyone what he thinks they want to hear. And things are only going to get worse when things like debates start coming up and he actually has to appeal to the masses instead of the political rally fanatics who were already voting for him anyway.

Do you know if this glaring, shining emptiness is being portrayed in the rest of the media? It seems so obvious if you pay attention, but I don't know how much coverage it's getting generally.

There are a few people making the connection that Romney is trying to be as bland and generic as possible so as to frame the election as a referendum on Obama, but largely they're ignoring it. There was an article posted on Fark recently about how Romney resembles Dewey in his election against Truman in that regard.

Wait! Based on the Google Image Search research I did on the matter, Dewey DEFEATED Truman? OH NO

Yeah, it was a pretty dark time in our nation's history...I still shudder thinking about it.

www.technovelgy.com
 
2012-06-22 02:05:33 AM
Well, is he also going to do election year stunt pandering that is ultimately bad for the nation too?
 
2012-06-22 08:19:03 AM

One Big Ass Mistake America: [i.imgur.com image 585x200]


You made a troll account on 3-6-09 instead of seeing "The Watchmen" on opening day? Sad.
 
2012-06-22 08:25:56 AM

randomjsa: A bit like the last election where Obama was basically allowed to never, ever, state his views on gay marriage.

But it's okay when a Democrat won't take a stand on a major issue before an election. It's only when those evil Republicans won't do it that it becomes a problem.


Obama has stated his views now.
Will Romney?
 
2012-06-22 12:37:35 PM

deschinc: Rapmaster2000: I have a plan, but it's in my car. I'll just step out to the parking lot and get it for you gentlemen. I'll be right back.. so don't move.

That was Newt's line.


Newt did a lot of moving in that car.

Well, SOMEONE was doing a lot of moving in that car.
 
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