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(Newser)   Starbucks will open an overpriced tea-only shop for people who think they're too good for overpriced coffee   (newser.com) divider line 63
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2012-06-21 03:52:08 PM  
Drinking China Breakfast from Rishi Tea right now. Only way I can get through my day. Would touch Tazo unless I was hard up.
 
2012-06-21 03:56:51 PM  
Good luck with that, Jimmy.
 
2012-06-21 03:56:52 PM  
mikemil828 : You are doing it wrong if you are steeping loose leaf black tea for 10 minutes, unless you are a very bitter person and like your tea to be the same.

Eww, that just reminded me of the time I let an Earl Gray (HOT) steep for too long.

// battery acid
 
2012-06-21 07:20:13 PM  

shivashakti: Teavana is a terrible company.
They force their employees to sell you more than you want or need.
It's often usually overpriced, and their employees aren't real knowledgeable about tea.

Just order your tea online. You don't need to go to a goddamned mall to buy good tea.
Try Upton Tea Imports or any other reputable tea merchant online.

You can enjoy really good tea simply, without a lot of fancy equipment.
Teavana just wants to make money. They don't really care about tea.


This.

Teavana does have some good teas, but the selection is limited and overpriced for what you get.
Upton teas has the best selection I have yet seen in the U.S., their service is prompt and packaging is impeccable. Pricing is fair. While I kind of liked the old foil wrapped bricks, the silver or black sealed bags they use now do a better job. They also have very good information on how to brew tea. Green, Black, Darjeeling, Oolong, the various Japanese teas, all take different temperatures and steeping times.

I am planning on trying Boston Tea Campaign the next time I order Darjeeling. I have heard good things about the quality/prive they offer. But it will be a few months, I have a few kilos of tea (around 25 varieties total) from my last order to work through.

While I reserve judgement on Starbucks tea shops, I doubt they will do that well. Unlike the US coffee market, which was once dominated by freeze-dried instant-crap and pre-ground compost, there are some good tea brands out there.
 
2012-06-21 07:29:52 PM  

mikemil828: Nana's Vibrator: mikemil828:
You are doing it wrong if you are steeping loose leaf black tea for 10 minutes, unless you are a very bitter person and like your tea to be the same..

You may be right, because 5-7 minutes just doesn't do it for me. Still tastes like dark-flavored hot water.
/I know how good it is. When Bonnie goes shopping, she buys shiat. Me, I buy the gourmet expensive stuff because when I drink it, I want to taste it. But you know what's on my mind right now? It ain't the tea in my kitchen...

Hmm, if that's case, you probably should use more tea per cup instead of increasing steep time, more flavor, not as much bitter. Also your tea pot may be too small and not allowing the tea to unfurl. Those Ingenuitea type pots don't have that problem.


This. The typical tea bag is sized for 4-6 ounces of water. Most mugs are 10-12 ounces. So use two tea bags. And since most tea bags are made with what is commonly called 'fannings', (tea dust), they brew pretty quickly. 2 minutes max for most of them, and should not be reused.

For loose tea, use a heaping teaspoon per mug, a level spoon for a teacup. Use a measuring spoon. Really. There is a reason it is called a tea spoon. If you buy from Upton tea, (linked in my post above), they print the recommended amount, steeping temperature and time on each label, for each tea.

To get stronger tea, brew more tea, not more time. More time just starts to leach out bitter tannins and other chemicals.
 
2012-06-21 08:26:20 PM  
tomWright : Teavana does have some good teas, but the selection is limited and overpriced for what you get.

I went through half a dozen tea places before ending up with Adagio.

Tevana: Jasmine Dragon Phoenix Pearls: $12 for 2oz ($6/oz)
$40/8oz ($5/oz)

Adagio: Jasmine Phoenix Pearls: $54 for 16oz ($3.375/oz)
 
2012-06-21 09:14:30 PM  
Fark has truly turned into a bastion of hipsters. Is it possible for people to read through a thread without smugly declaring how superior their own tastes are?

Katie98_KT: I'm not a fan of green tea. Try genmaicha, which is green tea with brown rice (seriously).

Some green teas have a strong grass flavor. I'll also drink gunpowder green tea, which is okay.


Funny thing, in Asia, rice and stick teas are a way to extend or even do entirely without scarce tea leaves by the poor. That's not to say they're bad, I have a small collection, but they're definitely more earthy.
 
2012-06-21 09:24:32 PM  

lordargent: tomWright : Teavana does have some good teas, but the selection is limited and overpriced for what you get.

I went through half a dozen tea places before ending up with Adagio.

Tevana: Jasmine Dragon Phoenix Pearls: $12 for 2oz ($6/oz)
$40/8oz ($5/oz)

Adagio: Jasmine Phoenix Pearls: $54 for 16oz ($3.375/oz)


Upton has 14 different Jasmine teas.

4 of them are a green rolled Jasmine similar to what you mention, for prices ranging from $33 - $56 for a 250 gram package, which is about 8 or 9 ounces. That was the largest size they all had listed, other sizes were sold out. Some available in larger 500 gm and 1 kilo sizes where you really start to see savings.
But whether they are the same, better or lesser quality, I do not know, you would need to compare them.

Adagio and Upton are similar in that they both have a large selection of teas. I have found Upton to have a wider selection. It is hard to compare pricing though, without knowing that each tea is exactly the same origin, seasonal harvest, etc. And shipping from only 200 miles away or so, I get my orders fast without paying for next day shipping. Upton is a smaller outfit though, which has both advantages and disadvantages.

Though I may try Adagio again now that you reminded me of them. IIRC they had some fast shipments as well. Thanks for reminding me, it's always good to have options.
 
2012-06-21 09:46:03 PM  

mikemil828: You are doing it wrong if you are steeping loose leaf black tea for 10 minutes, unless you are a very bitter person and like your tea to be the same.


Next you'll tell me that I don't actually enjoy the flavor and should force myself to drink what I can't enjoy regularly - weakly steeped tea.

Now I'll admit that for tasting purposes, sticking to recommended steep times produces some very interesting and complex teas with expensive tea, which get somewhat washed out as you oversteep, especially when you cook the leaves in near-boiling water (which I don't do). But on balance, the immensely acidic flavor, especially when combined with a bit of flavoring like cinnamon or lemon, is my daily go-to drink that's entirely satisfying.

I love people who tell someone they're doing it wrong when they've already tried and rejected what smuggy says is the only way to do something.
 
2012-06-21 10:13:52 PM  
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If it's not Twinings, it's crap!

What's that you say? Twinings isn't Scottish? Oh, well.
 
2012-06-22 12:30:16 AM  
Fark: fark everything YOU think is important. We'll jerk off to tea and threads about cheap razor blades.
 
2012-06-22 02:59:47 AM  
tomWright : Adagio and Upton are similar in that they both have a large selection of teas. I have found Upton to have a wider selection. It is hard to compare pricing though, without knowing that each tea is exactly the same origin, seasonal harvest, etc. And shipping from only 200 miles away or so, I get my orders fast without paying for next day shipping. Upton is a smaller outfit though, which has both advantages and disadvantages.

Though I may try Adagio again now that you reminded me of them. IIRC they had some fast shipments as well.


I have noticed that varieties of jasmine tea tend to sell out. I think it's a seasonal thing (when jasmine flowers bloom). So only so much of it can be produced and that drives up the price, throw in hand rolling to bump up the price more. But even then, it's no where near the price of the fermented teas (which I don't really care for, so I guess that's a good thing).

Adagio has a location in California, so I can put in an order before noon one day, and get it the next afternoon (assuming it's in stock, my last order of jasmine pearl had to come from the east coast location).
 
2012-06-22 03:27:08 AM  

theorellior: And am I the only person around who thinks that green tea tastes like drinking grass? I can blend it with black teas if I have to, but I'm not very fond of straight green tea.


It really depends on the type of green tea and by whom it's made. Costco has a lovely Sencha-Matcha mix tea that's smooth and tasty, and I'm partial to green-and-something mixes overall. Jasmine can be a bit too flowery, but as several people have mentioned, Genmaicha is yummy and one of my favorites. Some brands come off as little more than grass clippings and a handful of Uncle Ben's Rice, but Teavana's came out well, and there's a kind that I can never remember the name of but comes in a rectangular purple box in the Asian Food section that I just love.


lordargent: Eww, that just reminded me of the time I let an Earl Gray (HOT) steep for too long.

// battery acid


D:

I did that once. ONCE.

Also, FWIW, I purchased the automatic teamaker from Teavana, and it's simply brilliant. Regardless of what you think of their teas, this little bit of machinery makes a wicked cup. I finally got a proper cup of that white tea with strawberries that I always brewed too bitter. A pity that I didn't have more of it left before I got that maker! I love using a regular teapot, but this ensures that I get it brewed to the right time and temperature, and it's got a timer so I can wake up to a freshly-brewed pot first thing in the morning. :)
 
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