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(WRCB)   Basically, after looking at the history of presidential executive privilege, it's only bad when the other guy does it. This earth-shattering analysis brought to you by the non-partisan Romero Institute for Social Awareness   (wrcbtv.com) divider line 38
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2012-06-21 10:40:33 AM
Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.
 
2012-06-21 10:43:57 AM
the non-partisan Romero Institute for Social Awareness...isn't.

Those bastards are funded by the Koch brothers, George Will, Sheldon Adelson, a grant from Ron Paul's PAnCakes, Malcolm Gladwell's spleen, and Boutros-Boutros Ghali.

// history's greatest Boutros
 
2012-06-21 10:44:25 AM
Once Darrell Issa and his Republican lynch mob start to investigate the Bush Attorney Generals under which the Fast and Furious policy was created as well as Holder, under which it ended, I am all for treating this like a serious investigation. Obama should release the documents and fully cooperate once this blatant partisan opportunism by Issa is replaced a real, comprehensive investigation.
 
2012-06-21 10:45:11 AM

Dr Dreidel: the non-partisan Romero Institute for Social Awareness...isn't.

Those bastards are funded by the Koch brothers, George Will, Sheldon Adelson, a grant from Ron Paul's PAnCakes, Malcolm Gladwell's spleen, and Boutros-Boutros Ghali.

// history's greatest Boutros


Boutros Boutros Boutros Boutros BOUTROS Ghali.

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2012-06-21 10:51:40 AM
So which party is the "it's wrong and needs to stop" party?
 
MFL
2012-06-21 10:54:24 AM
This was a brilliant move by a brilliant man whose political genious knows no boundary.
 
2012-06-21 10:56:11 AM

way south: So which party is the "it's wrong and needs to stop" party?


Neither. Both parties want to be able to use it when they get the opportunity, so the issue will never be forced.
 
2012-06-21 10:59:48 AM

MFL: This was a brilliant move by a brilliant man whose political genious knows no boundary.


"Republicans alienate Latino voters. The Latino vote is becoming increasingly important, therefore, we must appeal to Latinos."

Not sure if trolling, but it was a clear cut, common sense move.
 
2012-06-21 11:01:03 AM
the non-partisan Romero Institute for Social Awareness

RISA, eh? Sounds like a radical, cop car shiatting, Mexican invader loving, Soros fellating propaganda arm of the empty suit in chief.
 
2012-06-21 11:02:22 AM

Bob_Laublaw: Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.


You're either a Jet or a Shark. There is no middle.
 
2012-06-21 11:02:50 AM
Was the whole situation SNAFU? Yes. Is it as big of a deal as the GOP wants it to be? No. Did the GOP bat an eye regarding the numerous "national security" censorship issues during Bush's terms? No. The real question is, will this issue have any influence on an undecided voter? Unlikely.

/partisan issue is partisan
 
2012-06-21 11:04:00 AM

Zeno-25: Once Darrell Issa and his Republican lynch mob start to investigate the Bush Attorney Generals under which the Fast and Furious policy was created as well as Holder, under which it ended, I am all for treating this like a serious investigation. Obama should release the documents and fully cooperate once this blatant partisan opportunism by Issa is replaced a real, comprehensive investigation.


Rope a dope?
Step 1) Republicans get all mad a Holder
Step 2) Obama doesn't release documents
Step 3) Republicans get all frothy at the mouth trying to point the blame on Holder and getting the press to talk about it
Step 4) Obama releases documents showing who started this mess, y'all while the press is still talking about it
Step 5) Congress looks stupid (except on fox news)
Step 6) Profit?
 
2012-06-21 11:04:15 AM

urbangirl: Bob_Laublaw: Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.

You're either a Jet or a Shark. There is no middle.


Let's cut to the chase. There are two kinds of people: sheep and sharks. Anyone who's a sheep is fired. Who's a sheep?

I am proud to be the shepherd of this herd of sharks
 
2012-06-21 11:05:06 AM

Zeno-25: Once Darrell Issa and his Republican lynch mob start to investigate the Bush Attorney Generals under which the Fast and Furious policy was created as well as Holder, under which it ended, I am all for treating this like a serious investigation. Obama should release the documents and fully cooperate once this blatant partisan opportunism by Issa is replaced a real, comprehensive investigation.


Yeah, I agree. Issa isn't known for his objectivity. Although the DoJ is stepping back from claiming Bush's AG's knew about it, I wouldn't expect Issa to investigate it anyway. If you want a real investigation into Fast/Furious, go for it, but leave the partisan theatrics at home.

It's not like we need an investigation. We know what happened, it was a stupid, awful program. End of story.
 
2012-06-21 11:06:06 AM
You could delete "executive privilege" from this headline and replace it with "anything."

off the top of my head, you could also replace it with:

Filibustering
gerrymandering
"secret holds" on legislation

and all the other partisan shenanigans and crap that should be removed from our system of government.
 
2012-06-21 11:07:25 AM

CPennypacker: urbangirl: Bob_Laublaw: Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.

You're either a Jet or a Shark. There is no middle.

Let's cut to the chase. There are two kinds of people: sheep and sharks. Anyone who's a sheep is fired. Who's a sheep?

I am proud to be the shepherd of this herd of sharks


Errr, excuse me... which is the one people like to hug?
 
2012-06-21 11:08:52 AM

urbangirl: Bob_Laublaw: Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.

You're either a Jet or a Shark. There is no middle.


You're either a Lannister or a Stark. There is no middle.

/or a Baratheon
//or a Tyrell
///or a Targaryen
 
2012-06-21 11:10:41 AM

CrackpipeCardozo: the non-partisan Romero Institute for Social Awareness

RISA, eh? Sounds like a radical, cop car shiatting, Mexican invader loving, Soros fellating propaganda arm of the empty suit in chief.


All things considered, I'd rather be on Risa.

www.2bexposed.com
 
2012-06-21 11:10:47 AM

CPennypacker: urbangirl: Bob_Laublaw: Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.

You're either a Jet or a Shark. There is no middle.

Let's cut to the chase. There are two kinds of people: sheep and sharks. Anyone who's a sheep is fired. Who's a sheep?

I am proud to be the shepherd of this herd of sharks


Some supported Andrew and some supported Michael in WHAM's breakup.

It's clear where the sharks & the sheep stood (swam?) in that battle.
 
2012-06-21 11:14:47 AM
How is quantity at all relevant to Executive Privilege? Its not a score. They aren't all equal.
 
2012-06-21 11:17:03 AM
Bbbb bbut Nixon did it!
 
2012-06-21 11:18:08 AM
Mexican Cartels are killing civilians along the border the way that U.S. gangs use paint to mark their territory. Yep, a fark up while trying to keep this from spilling over onto U.S. soil has absolutely nothing to do with national security. Releasing information about undercover sting operations could in no way put any agents lives in danger.

I understand that it is an election year, but fark you GOP. You don't give a shiat about the best interests of the country, you just want to win the election.
 
2012-06-21 11:22:56 AM

qorkfiend: CPennypacker: urbangirl: Bob_Laublaw: Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.

You're either a Jet or a Shark. There is no middle.

Let's cut to the chase. There are two kinds of people: sheep and sharks. Anyone who's a sheep is fired. Who's a sheep?

I am proud to be the shepherd of this herd of sharks

Errr, excuse me... which is the one people like to hug?


Gutsy question, you're a shark. Sharks are winners and they don't look back 'cause they don't have necks. Necks are for sheep.
 
2012-06-21 11:23:44 AM

Citrate1007: Was the whole situation SNAFU? Yes. Is it as big of a deal as the GOP wants it to be? No. Did the GOP bat an eye regarding the numerous "national security" censorship issues during Bush's terms? No. The real question is, will this issue have any influence on an undecided voter? Unlikely.

/partisan issue is partisan


And false compisons are false.
Obama's administration mishandling of guns that involved the death of innocent people.
I believe Holder knew about this program earlier than he said he did. I saw a clip with Holder and Napolitano (answering questions) stating they wanted to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico. I would think someone in Holder's office would tap him on the shoulder and tell him about F&F.
 
2012-06-21 11:27:11 AM
GOP: Well, we're losing this one, let's try to get the White House by other means.
 
2012-06-21 11:35:54 AM
Would now be the time to mention that there is still a contempt of congress charge kicking around the court system concerning Karl Rove for something far less serious?
 
2012-06-21 11:39:07 AM

qorkfiend: way south: So which party is the "it's wrong and needs to stop" party?

Neither. Both parties want to be able to use it when they get the opportunity, so the issue will never be forced.


George W Bush administration - first used three times in hist first year, six occasions in total. For things like covering up the truth of Pat Tillman's death (which they used for political gain), and to protect Karl Rove over the probe started because of the fired federal prosecutors that weren't Bush-y enough... "It is obvious that the reasons given for these firings were contrived as part of a cover up and that the stonewalling by the White House is part and parcel of that same effort", Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy concluded about these incidents.

Barack H. Obama administration - first used in his fourth year of Presidency, which is also the last time he used it, regarding an ongoing U.S. investigation of Operation Fast and Furious, an operation for combating Mexican drug cartels using the "gunwalking" tactic (thanks for nothing, ATF supervisors, for allowing thousands of guns to be bought by suspected arms traffickers ("gunrunners") on behalf of Mexican drug cartels).

Both parties are bad. So vote Republican.
 
2012-06-21 11:45:58 AM

Citrate1007: Mexican Cartels are killing civilians along the border the way that U.S. gangs use paint to mark their territory. Yep, a fark up while trying to keep this from spilling over onto U.S. soil has absolutely nothing to do with national security. Releasing information about undercover sting operations could in no way put any agents lives in danger.

I understand that it is an election year, but fark you GOP. You don't give a shiat about the best interests of the country, you just want to win the election.


That's my thinking. There's got to be a good reason they don't want to release any information on the F&F operation. It already looks like a giant clusterfark, so I can't imagine it's to prevent the administration from looking foolish.

My hope is that it's some kind of Sons of Anarchy style sting operation (gone wrong). Maybe an undercover agent amongst the gang or a secret informant from inside the Cartel.

This might be wishful thinking though.
 
2012-06-21 11:48:31 AM
Hmmm it says here Bush ordered the creation of Fast and Furious.

Hey GOP and Fox News, I'm not going to let you see this evidence.

WHARRRRRGARBLE!!!! Get Congress to vote and demand to see what Obama is hiding behind his back.

Okay here you go.

Boom.
 
2012-06-21 11:48:59 AM

wantedbadass: Citrate1007: Mexican Cartels are killing civilians along the border the way that U.S. gangs use paint to mark their territory. Yep, a fark up while trying to keep this from spilling over onto U.S. soil has absolutely nothing to do with national security. Releasing information about undercover sting operations could in no way put any agents lives in danger.

I understand that it is an election year, but fark you GOP. You don't give a shiat about the best interests of the country, you just want to win the election.

That's my thinking. There's got to be a good reason they don't want to release any information on the F&F operation. It already looks like a giant clusterfark, so I can't imagine it's to prevent the administration from looking foolish.

My hope is that it's some kind of Sons of Anarchy style sting operation (gone wrong). Maybe an undercover agent amongst the gang or a secret informant from inside the Cartel.

This might be wishful thinking though.


They've released a bunch of information on the actual operation. The executive privilege claim covers internal executive deliberations about the investigation itself, and only covers documents from after the investigation began.

Or so I'm told. I imagine if I'm wrong I will also be told.
 
2012-06-21 12:28:48 PM

bullwrinkle: Citrate1007: Was the whole situation SNAFU? Yes. Is it as big of a deal as the GOP wants it to be? No. Did the GOP bat an eye regarding the numerous "national security" censorship issues during Bush's terms? No. The real question is, will this issue have any influence on an undecided voter? Unlikely.

/partisan issue is partisan

And false compisons are false.
Obama's administration mishandling of guns that involved the death of innocent people.
I believe Holder knew about this program earlier than he said he did. I saw a clip with Holder and Napolitano (answering questions) stating they wanted to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico. I would think someone in Holder's office would tap him on the shoulder and tell him about F&F.


My point is that assume everything you and the GOP is true. Just take it for fact, there is still reason that things shouldn't be forced into the open if it is regarding our current efforts to combat the cartels. It very well could be akin to Lord of War movie with Nick Cage in which case it is in our national interest to keep our covert operatoins out of the limelight.

/I'm not trying to condone the situation, just suggesting that it could be more farked up that we even know and cause some serious problems with our foreign relations
 
2012-06-21 01:01:04 PM
i don't think Obama is covering up treason yet.
 
2012-06-21 01:40:24 PM

urbangirl: Bob_Laublaw: Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.

You're either a Jet or a Shark. There is no middle.


Montague or Capulet. Your doing it wrong.
 
2012-06-21 02:07:26 PM

way south: So which party is the "it's wrong and needs to stop" party?


That's my party, the Smart People's Party. As soon as I get enough people, we're greasing up the guillotine to make sure it never happens again.
 
2012-06-21 03:13:33 PM
So really, this just shows that Obama is underperforming when compared to Dubya?
 
2012-06-21 04:22:32 PM

Bob_Laublaw: Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.


But there's plenty of room outside the ring!
 
2012-06-21 09:52:25 PM

Bob_Laublaw: Everyone has their special tribe that does no wrong.

You're either a Soc or a Greaser. There is no middle.


No there really is a middle. The soc's thought I was a greaser and the greasers considered me a soc. No, really. I'm from the West-Tulsa/Sapulpa, Oklahoma area where those terms originated.
 
2012-06-21 10:40:50 PM

Gyrfalcon: way south: So which party is the "it's wrong and needs to stop" party?

That's my party, the Smart People's Party. As soon as I get enough people, we're greasing up the guillotine to make sure it never happens again.


Oh sure... until your ass gets in a bind and your favorite son needs a coverup.
I'm staying in the cynics party until someone starts chopping off politicians fingers every time they do things wrongly.
 
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