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2012-06-21 09:13:02 AM  
Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.


That would be my basic response to this as well. In addition to wondering what sort of person would buy another person's military medals and not having very many positive thoughts about that, either.
 
2012-06-21 09:24:42 AM  
Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers

So Sarge coughed up a loan for him then?

Yeah, didn't think so.
 
2012-06-21 10:09:20 AM  
You'd better hope he chooses to buy the lawnmower.

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2012-06-21 10:12:51 AM  
Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.

fark off, Sarge. The medals aren't feeding his family, and neither is the VA, so as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wants with them.
 
2012-06-21 11:46:42 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.


That would be my basic response to this as well. In addition to wondering what sort of person would buy another person's military medals and not having very many positive thoughts about that, either.


Stuff like this dilutes the Metal of Onor I won at Gettysburg.
 
2012-06-21 11:57:39 AM  
FTFA: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.

Yes. Also, the shiatty economy and letting the banks run it into the ground is a slap in the face of every single American citizen struggling to make it in today's economy.

STFU, sarge.
 
2012-06-21 12:25:19 PM  
I wonder how soon his Private...er, Sergeant will be finished policing the area. The very wide, very dirty area. On his hands and knees so he doesn't miss any trash.
 
2012-06-21 12:26:00 PM  
Stop worshiping the trinkets the Army pins on you, Sergeant. You have a duty to help your troops, and you're failing. This soldier's well-being and family are more important than some stupid geegaw gathering dust on the mantel.

/decorated combat vet
 
2012-06-21 12:27:00 PM  

9beers: That's a goddamn Army Commendation Medal, a medal they hand out like candy at a 4th of July parade. It's not like the dude was auctioning off a Silver Star or something.


ARCOMs aren't real common, at least where I was. AAMs, on the other hand... I think I ended up with 3 of those.
 
2012-06-21 12:30:56 PM  
As strongly as I feel about my brothers and sisters in arms...is he in the Reserves/Guard? Why is his Sergeant commenting on a story 2.5 years after his tour?
 
2012-06-21 12:31:23 PM  
Veteran unemployment is insane, I think it's something like double the national average right now. I pin most of that on recruiters and retention NCO's. They'll fill a young boot's head with "Once you get out, you'll have employers kicking down your door!" Turns out, there's not much need out there for professional tank gunners. Some of the more specialized jobs you can turn into a civilian career, but you damn sure better get some college down beforehand.

I kid you not, was job hunting today and saw "11B Infantryman, Senior Management Training!" as a job post. Insane.
 
2012-06-21 12:33:22 PM  
i agree with Pocket Ninja, though i had some difficulty putting together a cogent post about why. i wish it was illegal to sell medals; military commendations shouldn't be objects for which there's a market, they should be carried to the grave with those that earned them. and who's to say he bothered to ask his sergeant, or anyone, for money? that detail was not in the article.
 
2012-06-21 12:35:43 PM  

what_now: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.

fark off, Sarge. The medals aren't feeding his family, and neither is the VA, so as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wants with them.


THIS

I do wish there was a better solution however
 
2012-06-21 12:39:06 PM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Veteran unemployment is insane, I think it's something like double the national average right now. I pin most of that on recruiters and retention NCO's. They'll fill a young boot's head with "Once you get out, you'll have employers kicking down your door!" Turns out, there's not much need out there for professional tank gunners. Some of the more specialized jobs you can turn into a civilian career, but you damn sure better get some college down beforehand.

I kid you not, was job hunting today and saw "11B Infantryman, Senior Management Training!" as a job post. Insane.


This. The Army does no real training for any non-commissioned and when I was in, the officers wanted NOTHING to do with pushing anyone in the enlisted side up to their rank. I applied to go to school while I was in, passed every entrance exam with flying colors and brought them to my CO and XO for approval to start training.

He threw them back in my face and said "you aren't, and never will be officer material." I get out, try to use my Army experience in related jobs, and the best it got me was a summer gig at a photo processing center. So I gave up on my "veteran experience," don't even list it on my resume. I'm hoping my 3.75 in Mechanical Engineering and 12 years in Computer Systems however, will get me something above $8.35/hour when I'm done.

/csb
 
2012-06-21 12:39:13 PM  

dahmers love zombie: You'd better hope he chooses to buy the lawnmower.

[i.imgur.com image 640x273]


Came for this, leaving satisfied

//you grow it, we cut it.
 
2012-06-21 12:41:10 PM  

what_now: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.

fark off, Sarge. The medals aren't feeding his family, and neither is the VA, so as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wants with them.


This! I find it ridiculous that his sergeant would say this. Sounds like Shephard is just trying to take care of his family. Sometimes you gotta do what you have to to survive, if that means selling a medal who the fark cares...
 
2012-06-21 12:42:44 PM  
While I can understand the displeasure at what he did from some quarters, metal doesnt taste good, nor can it keep you from starving to death.........

good luck dude
 
2012-06-21 12:45:17 PM  

thoughtpol: i agree with Pocket Ninja, though i had some difficulty putting together a cogent post about why. i wish it was illegal to sell medals; military commendations shouldn't be objects for which there's a market, they should be carried to the grave with those that earned them. and who's to say he bothered to ask his sergeant, or anyone, for money? that detail was not in the article.


The medal itself is not important, it is a scrap of metal and some cloth. What this man did to deserve the medal is what is important. And that will never be taken away from him, nor will bad circumstances force him to sell it.
 
2012-06-21 12:46:01 PM  

what_now: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.

fark off, Sarge. The medals aren't feeding his family, and neither is the VA, so as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wants with them.


Bingo. He earned 'em, if he feels that he needs to sell them to feed his family after already doing due diligence, then who are we to stop him. If he's running to the pawn shop right after he gets them pinned on, that's a dick move and not something I can get behind, but at the end of the day they are still his to do with as he pleases.
 
2012-06-21 12:48:13 PM  

what_now: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.

fark off, Sarge. The medals aren't feeding his family, and neither is the VA, so as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wants with them.


This. He's earned them and is entitled to do as he deems fit.
 
2012-06-21 12:49:01 PM  
You can pick that up for 17.75 Here I didn't think much about my medals and didn't even show up for the ceremonies when I was going to get one most of the time.
 
2012-06-21 12:50:22 PM  

henryhill: The medal itself is not important, it is a scrap of metal and some cloth. What this man did to deserve the medal is what is important. And that will never be taken away from him, nor will bad circumstances force him to sell it.


Well stated.
 
2012-06-21 12:51:35 PM  
We're witnessing history folks. Pocket Ninja Weenerss a thread and no fawning was heard.
 
2012-06-21 12:54:07 PM  

rudemix: We're witnessing history folks. Pocket Ninja Weenerss a thread and no fawning was heard.


Well, that's because he's wrong in this instance. It happens. S'ok.
 
2012-06-21 12:58:50 PM  

Profedius: You can pick that up for 17.75 Here I didn't think much about my medals and didn't even show up for the ceremonies when I was going to get one most of the time.


Technically, you're not supposed to buy them unless you're authorized under regulations, etc. And you can get free ones by talking to the ARPERCEN (I think that's the record people, been nearly 20 years).

However, that site does have a cool feature in their "rack builder". I made mine:

yafh.com
 
2012-06-21 01:00:10 PM  

Cyclometh: Stop worshiping the trinkets the Army pins on you, Sergeant. You have a duty to help your troops, and you're failing. This soldier's well-being and family are more important than some stupid geegaw gathering dust on the mantel.

/decorated combat vet



Preach!

Friggin lifer drank deep of the kool aid.
 
2012-06-21 01:04:54 PM  

ajgeek: IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Veteran unemployment is insane, I think it's something like double the national average right now. I pin most of that on recruiters and retention NCO's. They'll fill a young boot's head with "Once you get out, you'll have employers kicking down your door!" Turns out, there's not much need out there for professional tank gunners. Some of the more specialized jobs you can turn into a civilian career, but you damn sure better get some college down beforehand.

I kid you not, was job hunting today and saw "11B Infantryman, Senior Management Training!" as a job post. Insane.

This. The Army does no real training for any non-commissioned and when I was in, the officers wanted NOTHING to do with pushing anyone in the enlisted side up to their rank. I applied to go to school while I was in, passed every entrance exam with flying colors and brought them to my CO and XO for approval to start training.

He threw them back in my face and said "you aren't, and never will be officer material." I get out, try to use my Army experience in related jobs, and the best it got me was a summer gig at a photo processing center. So I gave up on my "veteran experience," don't even list it on my resume. I'm hoping my 3.75 in Mechanical Engineering and 12 years in Computer Systems however, will get me something above $8.35/hour when I'm done.

/csb


ajgeek: IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Veteran unemployment is insane, I think it's something like double the national average right now. I pin most of that on recruiters and retention NCO's. They'll fill a young boot's head with "Once you get out, you'll have employers kicking down your door!" Turns out, there's not much need out there for professional tank gunners. Some of the more specialized jobs you can turn into a civilian career, but you damn sure better get some college down beforehand.

I kid you not, was job hunting today and saw "11B Infantryman, Senior Management Training!" as a job post. Insane.

This. The Army does no real training for any non-commissioned and when I was in, the officers wanted NOTHING to do with pushing anyone in the enlisted side up to their rank. I applied to go to school while I was in, passed every entrance exam with flying colors and brought them to my CO and XO for approval to start training.

He threw them back in my face and said "you aren't, and never will be officer material." I get out, try to use my Army experience in related jobs, and the best it got me was a summer gig at a photo processing center. So I gave up on my "veteran experience," don't even list it on my resume. I'm hoping my 3.75 in Mechanical Engineering and 12 years in Computer Systems however, will get me something above $8.35/hour when I'm done.

/csb


Come to Erie, PA, GE Transportation will hire you in a heartbeat
 
2012-06-21 01:06:58 PM  

beantowndog: Pocket Ninja: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.


That would be my basic response to this as well. In addition to wondering what sort of person would buy another person's military medals and not having very many positive thoughts about that, either.

Stuff like this dilutes the Metal of Onor I won at Gettysburg.


While in the Core?

//Never gets old.
 
2012-06-21 01:09:52 PM  
Hmmmm, wonders how much sympathy poon one could get from wearing those medals...
 
2012-06-21 01:12:05 PM  

Cyclometh: Profedius: You can pick that up for 17.75 Here I didn't think much about my medals and didn't even show up for the ceremonies when I was going to get one most of the time.

Technically, you're not supposed to buy them unless you're authorized under regulations, etc. And you can get free ones by talking to the ARPERCEN (I think that's the record people, been nearly 20 years).

However, that site does have a cool feature in their "rack builder". I made mine:

[yafh.com image 217x75]


I have never had any problems with buying them as long as I don't get too high level medals, but you are right technically you are not suppose to be able to order if you don't have the medal. I built a rack and case for the medals of my grandfather who was in WW2 and they just shipped them without question, he had some pretty high level rewards. My friend who has never been in the service bought an eight ribbon rack and the medals with no problems and I do have to admit I found that upsetting.
 
2012-06-21 01:14:00 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.


That would be my basic response to this as well. In addition to wondering what sort of person would buy another person's military medals and not having very many positive thoughts about that, either.


My basic response is how can a republican senator, make it his number one priority to get Obama voted out, when we can't get employ our veterans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc

How screwed up is our country, when the party the supposedly identifies with the military and has their best interest in mind, stops caring about them as soon as they get home from war?

But hey, you're right. Stupid freeloader should get a job and stop trying to sell his possessions to feed his family. Selling his possessions is just a burden on taxpayers, cause damn it, we paid for that medal.
 
2012-06-21 01:15:58 PM  
Shephard spent a year in Iraq serving his country, away from his wife and three young kids.
When he returned, he lost his job to the bad economy.
Two-and-a-half years later, he still can't find full-time work.


Of course, it's absolutely pointless to point at Bush for any of this. I mean, didn't he just shrug his way through his entire time in office? The only time I saw Bush come alive during his eight year sleepover, was the day he had to duck that Iraqi dude tossing his shoes.
 
2012-06-21 01:18:42 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers

So Sarge coughed up a loan for him then?

Yeah, didn't think so.


Yeah, pride won't fill his kids' stomachs.
 
2012-06-21 01:28:28 PM  
Can't find a job. So why doesn't he just go back into the military?
 
2012-06-21 01:33:39 PM  

what_now: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.

fark off, Sarge. The medals aren't feeding his family, and neither is the VA, so as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wants with them.


Yep.

The "slap in the face" is that a veteran can't get work or VA support and has to do this to provide for his family.
 
2012-06-21 01:33:42 PM  

biglot: Shephard spent a year in Iraq serving his country, away from his wife and three young kids.
When he returned, he lost his job to the bad economy.
Two-and-a-half years later, he still can't find full-time work.

Of course, it's absolutely pointless to point at Bush for any of this. I mean, didn't he just shrug his way through his entire time in office? The only time I saw Bush come alive during his eight year sleepover, was the day he had to duck that Iraqi dude tossing his shoes.


He had a lot of fun that day. There he was at some stupid boring foreigner thing and then, suddenly, action! I bet that was his favorite day as president.
 
2012-06-21 01:34:00 PM  
Looks like some people only support the troops when they are risking their lives, but there is no support for them when they get home.
 
2012-06-21 01:36:58 PM  
Last I saw as of this morning, the guy had received enough new lawn care gear to get a pretty good business going.

...but the fact that this guy would even have to consider doing something like selling his medals is a testament to just how farked up and depraved our country has become. What the farking hell, America? Use people up and throw them out. Sick.
 
2012-06-21 01:37:21 PM  
Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.

I'm with the Sarge, Shephard should let his family starve rather than sell his medal. It's all about honor. I'm sure his fellow soldiers agree.
 
2012-06-21 01:37:57 PM  
So John Kerry is kicking himself that missed out on a few bucks?
 
2012-06-21 01:38:10 PM  

kkinnison: Looks like some people only support the troops when they are risking their lives, but there is no support for them when they get home.


I'll show you, I'm gonna go buy a yellow ribbon for my car after work today.
 
2012-06-21 01:40:06 PM  
Its already been covered...but fark you sarge. If you are offended by this and arent on his doorstep offering help, you are a disgrace to the uniform.
 
2012-06-21 01:42:07 PM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Veteran unemployment is insane, I think it's something like double the national average right now. I pin most of that on recruiters and retention NCO's. They'll fill a young boot's head with "Once you get out, you'll have employers kicking down your door!" Turns out, there's not much need out there for professional tank gunners. Some of the more specialized jobs you can turn into a civilian career, but you damn sure better get some college down beforehand.

I kid you not, was job hunting today and saw "11B Infantryman, Senior Management Training!" as a job post. Insane.


A friend of mine came up with a brilliant solution to this, A real win-win, and I'm trying hard to figure out who to send it to so that it has a chance in hell of happening:

When a disaster happens Fema activates a group of reserve "core" employees, as well as bulks up with detailees from other federal agencies. Now if you know anything about business, you know those detailees are not exactly the cream of the crop, but the folks that thier managers can most live without.

On the other hand, recently dischared soldiers tend to have EXACTLY the skill set you are looking for in Emergency response workers. They take orders well, know how to accomplish things as a team, can handle themselves in a crisis, and these days a lot of them have skills in "nation building" which tends to be fairly translateable into "nation re-building" after a disaster.

Returning soldiers should get first priority for filling FEMA's on -call and CORE positions. It would give us a better FEMA response in a crisis, and them some pocket money and a way to keep thier resume from having gaps as they transition back into civilian life
 
2012-06-21 01:43:13 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers

So Sarge coughed up a loan for him then?

Yeah, didn't think so.


Yep. Military pride went away right about the time the military stopped being used for defense of the homeland and was instead turned towards imperialistic pursuits abroad. Oh, and when they started abusing detainees and posting pictures of it online.
 
2012-06-21 01:46:00 PM  

kkinnison: Looks like some people only support the troops when they are risking their lives, but there is no support for them when they get home.



I think Rudyard Kipling observed something similar 100+ years ago:
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
 
2012-06-21 01:46:14 PM  
Isn't medals plural? I only saw one.
 
2012-06-21 01:50:47 PM  
I hope someone buys them and gives them back to the man. It's a damn shame what's happening to honest families now while the banks and government gets away with it.
 
2012-06-21 01:53:23 PM  
Shephard has come under some pretty intense criticism from his sergeant, who says that selling the medal is a slap in the face to the military and his fellow soldiers.

Ummm... No.

Having to resort to selling his medal after being unable to find full-time work after two and a half years is a slap in the face of Shephard's military service and sacrifice.
 
2012-06-21 01:53:47 PM  
The honor came from being awarded the medal and the pride came from knowing he did whatever it was to earn it without expecting a medal at the time. I'm in the camp that the medal itself is just memorabilia. It might bring back memories in years to come but it's not a discredit to anyone to pass it along or even sell it to someone who might be putting together a war memorial or something. I suppose knowing what the buyer will do with it would go a long way with people on the other side of the issue.

The only way this could turn shameful to me would be if he took the $2000 and replaced the medal for $17 online. In which case, beat him with sticks and throw him off the island
 
2012-06-21 01:54:33 PM  

FarkinHostile: Cyclometh: Stop worshiping the trinkets the Army pins on you, Sergeant. You have a duty to help your troops, and you're failing. This soldier's well-being and family are more important than some stupid geegaw gathering dust on the mantel.

/decorated combat vet


Preach!

Friggin lifer drank deep of the kool aid.


If he is a veteran that is no longer serving and fighting, then he is now useless to the military and the military and sergeant see no need to help him anymore. When you stop fighting, you are no longer part of the troops. The military only cares about your ability to serve, they do not care of your quality of life after service. If they could give each soldier a drug that made them twice as strong but cut their lifespan in half, what do you think the military would do?

/I don't agree with this mindset, but it is present in our military and shows up on how we treat veterans and wounded soldiers.
//and its current soldiers...
 
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